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Monday, November 4th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Nov 4 2013, 12:27 AM (14,526 Views)
JarlenaLante
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God almighty but Jennifer is a SHREW. I actually felt for Daniel today.

AZ and GV continue to be wonderful.

When Kate mentioned flesh-eating bacteria I had a bad flashback to Chloe's scar.

JJ and Daniel---yeah we all saw this coming a million miles away, but I do think it shows some character for JJ to admit he was wrong about the stuff he did, especially breaking Parker's toy.

Victor was the voice of the DR board today regarding the Jennifer/Kristen friendship.

I hope I'm not being overly optimistic but Thursday and Friday can't come fast enough.
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lysie
Nov 4 2013, 03:16 PM
I think that JJ hating Daniel is the best thing that ever happened to Dannifer, and I hope at some point he hates him again. But I think his turn around was appropriate, if annoying. Technically, JJ WAS wrong about Daniel. I like JJ and find Daniel to be irrelevant set decoration, but JJ was still wrong. Maybe now he'll come up with a real reason to hate him.
You're on fire today. :)

I do much prefer that OTT hatred of another character be based on something real rather than the writers trying to throw a bone to a particular segment of the audience. I'll gladly cheer for JJ to start hating Dan again once they come up with a reason that makes any kind of damn sense.
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Ocean
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I just realized daniel spending more time to get involved with everyone's life as a chancellor than be a doctor and working at the hospital. Maybe he decided instead of fall for every patient change his direction as a annoying chancellor or advisor to make everyone praise or love him, because for god sakes he's a super savor hero that every body can't stop talking about him. I'm so sick and tired of obnoxious dr tan.
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Ophelia
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Nov 4 2013, 04:22 PM
I was cracking up about how everyone thinks Daniel is sleeping around with Kristin, Teresa, and Nicole. He can't even have a conversation with a woman without them all thinking he's sleeping with them
Wait a minute.. are you suggesting that not everyone who gets caught in the tractor beam of Daniel's sexual magnetism and golden glow sleeps with him? I find that hard to believe. :wink:
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Ophelia
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Dangit. Double post.

I'll use this space to :cheer: the Ericole scenes today. GV seemed genuinely startled by the cup smashing too. I wonder if that was ad-libbed. :)
Edited by Ophelia, Nov 4 2013, 05:03 PM.
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metitle
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I wonder what happened to Nicole's old apartment.
This business of staying with Daniel isn't good.
It means more Daniel on screen.
And that's not good Shawn Christian badly needs a haircut.
Maybe he is trying to rock the Patrick Dempsey look.
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Ophelia
Nov 4 2013, 05:00 PM
Dangit. Double post.

I'll use this space to :cheer: the Ericole scenes today. GV seemed genuinely startled by the cup smashing too. I wonder if that was ad-libbed. :)
Oh how I love Nicole and Eric. Ari and Greg are just perfect. The only thing that was missing from their scenes was a line from Nicole about Eric being a sorry, pitiful excuse for priest just before she threw the mug at him. That said, he is still a rape victim so I will cut him some slack and hope Nicole forgives him sometime next year.
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PALMommy
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While I know it's not the popular camp, I hated Daniel a little less today simply because he totally called Jennifer on her crap!
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LovingDays


i dont know which one deserve a freaking good slap Eric or Brady.....i think both
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KAM


I have to say I just love the way Tomsell has done this Ericole story so far. I watched them do the priest sex story before.

I confess I had my qualms when I heard they were going to do it again with Ericole II -- especially because I was a big fan of Ericole I. But this time they are doing a really good job in developing the story to fit these characters. And the casting of Greg Vaughan in the Jensen Ackles role has just been brilliant. So I'll say something I seldom say: Kudos so far Tomsell. And guys, please don't let me down with the upcoming reveal and aftermath. Please.

I'm sorry that some posters have already felt let down by Eric's accusations, thinking that ruined the potential of Ericole to be a true soap couple like Jarlena or Bope. I know that kind of couple is sorely missing on DOOL now. But really that is never who these two characters were or could be right now.

When Ericole I were young and in love, they didn't love and trust each other because.... They loved each other despite.... And they never were able to develop a full trust in each other. He was young, innocent, and Catholic. She was young, abused, and cynical. She was self-destructive, while he was idealistic. Nicole had too many secrets and was too damaged ... and Eric had too many scruples and was too moralistic. Both felt some degree of confusion about sex and were distrustful of the reality of romantic love. They didn't have much of a chance back then.

Nicole was Eric's first ever lover. She couldn't be strong enough to be good for him then. Nicole broke Eric's heart when she stayed in Salem to self-destruct. Eric the man has years of unspoken feelings of hurt and betrayal that Eric the priest could not express to Nicole. Their story now is about the dark night of the soul for Eric the priest and why he would make Nicole play a role in that.

This time around, I have enjoyed viewing Ericole II through the prism of Ericole I. From watching it at the time, I remembered Ericole I very well, and I revisited the story as a refresher. I think the history is very relevant to what is going on right now, and hopefully to what is to come. I did an Ericole I recap for myself. I will try to share it here in another post, if I can get a long post through. I'm not always good at that.
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NocturnalBlondie
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esp13
Nov 4 2013, 04:40 PM
NocturnalBlondie
Nov 4 2013, 02:51 PM
lysie
Nov 4 2013, 02:46 PM
NocturnalBlondie
Nov 4 2013, 02:44 PM
Okay, clearly there's a miscommunication here. I'm not saying JJ loves Daniel because of the rape reveal. I'm saying Tomlin's motivation behind pursuing the rape thing was clearly to use it as a plot point that would unravel a chain of events (meaning JJ's breakdown, rebellion with Jennifer, being reckless until Theresa's OD) that would lead to JJ's appraisal of Daniel. There is a difference.

And people's problem with the rape revisit (for the most part) was not the actual revisit, but how it would be used... as a plot point that would lead JJ to praise Daniel. And it has. I have no problem with the writers wanting to revisit the rape thing, I have a problem with the reason behind wanting to pursue it, which I feared would be agenda based... and it is.
No miscommunication. I just don't agree.
My post was directed at this particular statement: "No kidding. JJ clearly still hated Daniel after he found out about Jack." which implies that I am insinuating JJ's appraisal of Daniel is directly correlated to the rape reveal, which is not what I was saying at all. I was talking about TPTB's intention of pursuing the rape reveal as a plot point, which they would use to develop events that would lead to JJ's eventual acceptance of Daniel.

Anyway, I don't care. I don't agree with what you have to say, and you don't agree with what I have to say. Nothing's going to change that. I've said what I had to say.
Well, gee, you should have said you were talking to me. :)
Well gee, I was on my phone, and the quoting feature sucks on it. So sorry. :)
Edited by NocturnalBlondie, Nov 4 2013, 06:01 PM.
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Didn't Eric bascially tell Nicole he wasn't in love with her today? He told her he loved her, but not the way she wanted. And she couldn't stand him being choosing to be a priest. I still don't see anything about them being written as a couple in the making when he's not in love with her.
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esp13
Nov 4 2013, 04:48 PM
lysie
Nov 4 2013, 03:16 PM
I think that JJ hating Daniel is the best thing that ever happened to Dannifer, and I hope at some point he hates him again. But I think his turn around was appropriate, if annoying. Technically, JJ WAS wrong about Daniel. I like JJ and find Daniel to be irrelevant set decoration, but JJ was still wrong. Maybe now he'll come up with a real reason to hate him.
You're on fire today. :)

I do much prefer that OTT hatred of another character be based on something real rather than the writers trying to throw a bone to a particular segment of the audience. I'll gladly cheer for JJ to start hating Dan again once they come up with a reason that makes any kind of damn sense.
So it makes no sense for a kid to have resentment and hatred towards the guy he perceives as having replaced his father? Jennifer barely showed grief for Jack, and started dating Daniel again shortly after Jack's death... what kid wouldn't have a problem with this scenario?
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Nov 4 2013, 06:06 PM
Didn't Eric bascially tell Nicole he wasn't in love with her today? He told her he loved her, but not the way she wanted. And she couldn't stand him being choosing to be a priest. I still don't see anything about them being written as a couple in the making when he's not in love with her.
Just because someone says something doesn't necessarily make it true. For whatever reasons, legendary supercouples on DAYS have told one another time and again that they didn't love their desired partner despite it being the most obvious truth.
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KAM


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Nov 4 2013, 06:06 PM
Didn't Eric bascially tell Nicole he wasn't in love with her today? He told her he loved her, but not the way she wanted. And she couldn't stand him being choosing to be a priest. I still don't see anything about them being written as a couple in the making when he's not in love with her.
My hope is that Tomsell will continue to do this story right, and Ericole will not be written as a couple in the making unless and until Eric comes to an independent resolution of his future in the priest hood. If Eric were to leave the priesthood because of a desire to be a lover to Nicole, I think Ericole would be doomed. The only way they can make it, IMO, is if he comes to believe that he chose the priesthood for the wrong reasons and that it is not the best outlet for his faith. But that he can have a good and meaningful purpose in a different, better role for him.
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Nov 4 2013, 06:06 PM
Didn't Eric bascially tell Nicole he wasn't in love with her today? He told her he loved her, but not the way she wanted. And she couldn't stand him being choosing to be a priest. I still don't see anything about them being written as a couple in the making when he's not in love with her.
And characters are always totally 100% honest about their feelings when having fights with potential love interests.

Besides it doesn't really matter if he is "in love" with her right this moment. Maybe he is, but doesn't want to/can't admit it to himself, let alone her. Maybe he's not, but will be in the future. No couple in the making started out in love from the first minute, or even the first few months. That takes all the fun out of it. A good, soapy love story is about inevitability. They can (one at a time or sometimes both) fight it, deny it, run from it, sabotage it, and even think they've destroyed it. And yet, when all of that is done, there they are.

And, as fans, it is all of that battle that makes the end worth it. Without the journey, the destination really doesn't mean much of anything. Put another way, with the two years that proceed it, Steve and Kayla's wedding is just a bunch of dressed up people on a boat with some cheesy dialogue. With that journey, it's the ultimate payoff. And you could say the same about other couples as well.
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NocturnalBlondie
Nov 4 2013, 06:21 PM
esp13
Nov 4 2013, 04:48 PM
lysie
Nov 4 2013, 03:16 PM
I think that JJ hating Daniel is the best thing that ever happened to Dannifer, and I hope at some point he hates him again. But I think his turn around was appropriate, if annoying. Technically, JJ WAS wrong about Daniel. I like JJ and find Daniel to be irrelevant set decoration, but JJ was still wrong. Maybe now he'll come up with a real reason to hate him.
You're on fire today. :)

I do much prefer that OTT hatred of another character be based on something real rather than the writers trying to throw a bone to a particular segment of the audience. I'll gladly cheer for JJ to start hating Dan again once they come up with a reason that makes any kind of damn sense.
So it makes no sense for a kid to have resentment and hatred towards the guy he perceives as having replaced his father? Jennifer barely showed grief for Jack, and started dating Daniel again shortly after Jack's death... what kid wouldn't have a problem with this scenario?
Resentment? Sure. The OTT hatred and ridiculous rants about Daniel that JJ's been spewing for months? Not so much.

JJ wasn't even around to know how much Jen did or didn't grieve. And, I guess my answer to the second question would be Abby. But, I would not have had a problem if JJ resented Daniel. But his one-note, OTT hatred of the guy - which included vandalizing this property -- was ridiculous and never made any sense.
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metitle
Nov 4 2013, 01:02 PM
lysie
Nov 4 2013, 01:01 PM
Ugh, Maxine. Ugh, desperate Kate.
kate is starting looking pathetic now.
Kate has looked pathetic for months now.
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NocturnalBlondie
Nov 4 2013, 06:21 PM
esp13
Nov 4 2013, 04:48 PM
lysie
Nov 4 2013, 03:16 PM
I think that JJ hating Daniel is the best thing that ever happened to Dannifer, and I hope at some point he hates him again. But I think his turn around was appropriate, if annoying. Technically, JJ WAS wrong about Daniel. I like JJ and find Daniel to be irrelevant set decoration, but JJ was still wrong. Maybe now he'll come up with a real reason to hate him.
You're on fire today. :)

I do much prefer that OTT hatred of another character be based on something real rather than the writers trying to throw a bone to a particular segment of the audience. I'll gladly cheer for JJ to start hating Dan again once they come up with a reason that makes any kind of damn sense.
So it makes no sense for a kid to have resentment and hatred towards the guy he perceives as having replaced his father? Jennifer barely showed grief for Jack, and started dating Daniel again shortly after Jack's death... what kid wouldn't have a problem with this scenario?
I think it made sense to a point but it quickly went OTT. It was okay because I don't like Daniel anyway, but because it was OTT I think his turn around made sense.
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Nov 4 2013, 06:06 PM
Didn't Eric bascially tell Nicole he wasn't in love with her today? He told her he loved her, but not the way she wanted. And she couldn't stand him being choosing to be a priest. I still don't see anything about them being written as a couple in the making when he's not in love with her.
Well they're not written as a couple-in-the-making right now. They're written as two people who care deeply about each other and where there is unrequited romantic feelings on one side. I'm sure by the time Eric decides to leave the priesthood and let's himself fall for Nicole, she will have moved on. That's why it's an old-fashioned, long-term build. It wouldn't surprise me if it's November 2014 before we get an Ericole kiss. Which I'm so totally cool with.
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