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| Monday, November 4th Daily Discussion | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 4 2013, 12:27 AM (14,525 Views) | |
| lysie | Nov 4 2013, 06:38 PM Post #281 |
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Yeah, Eric ISN'T in love with her right now. He's not supposed to be. We continue to not be there yet. |
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| PALMommy | Nov 4 2013, 06:39 PM Post #282 |
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I think the line will form behind Nicole, Marlena, Victor and the rest of us ... Nicole's gonna be awhile. :blulaugh: |
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| NocturnalBlondie | Nov 4 2013, 06:41 PM Post #283 |
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Given JJ was supposed to be a troubled teen, it's not that far fetch (no pun intended) that he would turn to vandalism. And yes, Abby hasn't had a problem with Jennifer and her immediate involvement with Daniel, but that's been considered offensive to many fans who see the whole thing as implausible especially since she was literally pushing her mother towards Daniel at the time of the funeral almost. Personally, I think out of the two Deveraux kids, Abby's reaction has been more OTT. Both she and JJ were on different extremes in dealing with the situation, but I consider it more plausible to see aggression than having someone in such a rush to move on, or have someone else move on. |
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| NocturnalBlondie | Nov 4 2013, 06:44 PM Post #284 |
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I think this storyline would have been much easier to watch would Eric have had more subtle moments where he would have shown an attraction or desire for Nicole, something he would have obviously been fighting against on his end too. I was hopeful we would get little bits of that when we had the scene were he made a huge deal about Nicole's outfit, but those moments have been far too scarce. |
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| six | Nov 4 2013, 06:45 PM Post #285 |
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This spec makes my heart hurt, in a good way. Stories like these need the pain and the longing and the complications. Edited by six, Nov 4 2013, 06:47 PM.
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| Sable Colby | Nov 4 2013, 07:08 PM Post #286 |
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AZ and GV get a standing "O" for the day. Posted Image |
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| Sable Colby | Nov 4 2013, 07:10 PM Post #287 |
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Marlena's developed kind of a potty mouth lately...calling Anne a pain in the ass, Kristen a bitch, etc. It's OOC, but it sort of cracks me up. Perhaps she's been spending too much time with Nicole? :P |
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| SKBaldwin | Nov 4 2013, 07:13 PM Post #288 |
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At the beginning, it looked like JJ was about to confess... What the hell? When are we gonna get a bloody confession? :frustration: |
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| The Room Stops | Nov 4 2013, 07:18 PM Post #289 |
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John and Marlena went four years telling people they didn't love each other, while everybody knew they did. I hope it doesn't take that long for Eric and Nicole. |
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| The Room Stops | Nov 4 2013, 07:19 PM Post #290 |
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Or... Deidre is ad-libbing. She's not a curser, but she's a sassy thing. |
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| KAM | Nov 4 2013, 07:21 PM Post #291 |
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Yeah, that damn song launched in my head as soon as Jennifer delivered her dumb, drama queen line. And it's still racketing around in there. I want Celine Dion and Melissa Reeves out of my head now. :blink: |
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| KAM | Nov 4 2013, 07:26 PM Post #292 |
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Methinks it's Victor who is the bad influence. :D |
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| Reese | Nov 4 2013, 07:27 PM Post #293 |
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The show could make me sweat it out until February 2015, and I'd be okay with it. lol Done right, this story is really going to take some time, and I'm down for the journey. Edited by Reese, Nov 4 2013, 07:27 PM.
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| Graceland | Nov 4 2013, 07:59 PM Post #294 |
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My son is not a homersexual.
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When does Chandler officially end his run on the show (no longer airing)? I'm seeing November, but I thought it was December. |
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| pagraves | Nov 4 2013, 08:03 PM Post #295 |
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I'm late to the Ericole party. I loathed their story the first time around, even though I liked Jensen Ackles a ton. I didn't think Ari was a very good actress and I didn't like her character at all, at any point. I didn't not mourn when she left the show. But when she came back this time, with Pookie and her vulnerable heart, she became one of my favorite characters. For one thing, Ari has vastly improved her acting, to the point that I think she's probably as good as about anyone on the show. She also appeals to me in a way she never did in the beginning, though perhaps that is as much about my own aging and maturing as it is about Nicole's. So, anyway, because I'm late to the game and because I work a day job and don't have a working recorder, I've been following the show almost entirely through this website. And then, suddenly, people started talking about how good the Eric/Nicole scenes had been the other day, when he accused her of rape. So I thought, what the heck? I tracked down the clips and, wow. I mean, I knew Ari was good, but my limited exposure to Greg Vaughn during his time on GH hadn't exactly impressed me. But he gave as good as he got in those scenes, and their chemistry was electric. I had to see more, so I went back and found clips of their scenes to this point. I've binge-watched up to the episode where Eric starts having flashbacks to the rape, and I have a few observations. First, based on what I was reading, I was under the impression that Eric didn't show any signs of finding Nicole sexually tempting, but after watching the clips all at one time, I'm going to have to disagree. The times that Eric has become the most incensed with her have been the times when she's giving in to sexual urges. Vargas on the desk, for instance. Or when she wanted to go out nightclubbing. And, of course, his growing belief that she raped him. This is when Eric becomes the most alive, the most passionate and on the edge of losing control over his emotions. Given that he's a priest, and that he's sublimated that part of his manhood to keep his vows, I think it's very significant that Eric seems to be demanding of Nicole that she remain as pure as he is. It seems entirely unreasonable, since I doubt he'd get anywhere near as upset if he were dealing with, say, Brady or Daniel about their sexual activities. And since I don't think he's a chauvinist, then I think something else is driving his animation on the subject. He may not be able to have Nicole for himself, but he seems driven to keep anyone else from having her, either. Second, I'm on the team that believes Eric has ample reason to be suspicious of Nicole, though I'm also with the team that wants to see him have to grovel for her forgiveness. One thing I noticed in watching the scenes at the capital motel with Kristen, and later in the hospital, was how Eric's first memory upon coming to was Nicole holding him. His memories are barely accessible, and he's desperate for answers. He knows Nicole's proclivity toward doing foolish and even hurtful things for love. And she HAS hurt him before, deeply, in a way that probably shaped his dealings with women from that time forward. So, when he remembers sex with a blond woman, and remembers Nicole holding him while he was sick, and adding in the eyewitness account and the oddity of Nicole going to the trouble of driving all the way to the capital just to bring him notes...I think there's ample reason to at least consider the notion. I think you also have to understand that this terrible, traumatic thing happened to him, not someone else. If he'd heard that Nicole was still pining for Brady, and that it had been Brady who'd been violated, I don't think Eric would have believed Nicole was capable of rape. But his questions are all tangled up in his past with her. It's his worst nightmare in a way, since I believe celibacy and anger management are probably Eric's two most difficult and relentless tasks as a priest. Since I believe he IS still physically attracted to Nicole, having her be the instrument of his destruction feeds those repressed feelings because even though he's feeling used and violated, I think he's also dealing with the question of whether or not he would have participated in the sex if she'd chosen to seduce him. So you've got pain, anger, guilt and fear all stewing together to fog his brain. I can see why he'd lash out at her, seeing her as the source of his pain, since I think she's been the source of his pain for a long, long time. Is he in love with her? Probably. Probably never stopped loving her. But he can't admit it, not even to God. Not even to himself. |
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| magicsteacher | Nov 4 2013, 08:17 PM Post #296 |
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Like poisoning an apple or baking up a batch of cyanide laced brownies. |
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| blueskies | Nov 4 2013, 08:18 PM Post #297 |
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the obvious solution to Kristen's dilemma is to have Eric killed. |
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| Laufeyson | Nov 4 2013, 08:19 PM Post #298 |
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Very lovely post about Ericole. I have a term for what Eric sees in Nicole, a celibate girlfriend. He wanted her around and always got collar in a twist when she showed interest in other men. It was a bit unfair and irrational of him. Eric always claimed it was in her best interest but me thinks it was for himself, he couldn't bare another man being with Nicole, not Vargas, Brady, or some random dude at a club, at some stage he got prissy with Rafe because I believe he overreached his station. GV has been very subtle about this element to Eric's character but it's been there all year round. So I agree totally with your observations. |
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| Supergirlx2 | Nov 4 2013, 08:20 PM Post #299 |
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January/February. |
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| tomsawyer | Nov 4 2013, 08:23 PM Post #300 |
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Nice post. While I don't necessarily see Eric as in love with Nicole right now, I think your version of events is very possible and I'd be willing to go along with this version of events if that's how they decide to write it. I mean, the guy is a PRIEST, so he has every reason to suppress, deny, sublimate, explain away, rationalize, etc., etc. any feeling of desire he has towards her. He's simply not supposed to feel that way and that goes way beyond just being in denial. His entire being pretty much depends on him not feeling those feelings, so yeah, I can buy that his feelings for her are buried far beneath the surface. But even if they're not (and honestly, I don't necessarily see them), I don't think it takes away from their story in the least. He obviously loves her and I'm fine with waiting for him to fall IN love with her. Edited by tomsawyer, Nov 4 2013, 08:25 PM.
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