Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]



Hello, soap fans -- and welcome to Daytime Royalty!

For those unfamiliar, we are an uncensored community for fans and lovers of the daytime genre. We have a no-holds-barred atmosphere in regards to the shows, writers, actors etc. but we do not allow member suffering succotash in any form.

You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.

Join our community!

If you're already a member, please log in to your account to access all of our features.

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
Monday, November 4th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Nov 4 2013, 12:27 AM (14,524 Views)
NocturnalBlondie
Member Avatar


Supergirlx2
Nov 4 2013, 08:20 PM
Graceland
Nov 4 2013, 07:59 PM
When does Chandler officially end his run on the show (no longer airing)? I'm seeing November, but I thought it was December.
January/February.
Guy Wilson has been tweeting that he starts airing at the beginning of January. Wouldn't December/January be more accurate?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Laufeyson
Member Avatar


I certainly loved the passionate way Eric said he loved her because I think he still does. He's doing some crazy projections here accusing Nicole that likely stem from his own feelings for her that he's had to keep bottled up.

Brady still shows glimmers of why I love him. Kristen has eaten his brain for breakfast and he has said some awful things to Nicole and behaved worse than a boor but I saw tiny traces of Nicole's friend underneath all of that. something tells me Nicole is going to (still) be the friend to him that sticks closer than a brother. He doesn't deserve it and she better hold off with the forgiveness and let him stew for a very long time in the mess he's made for himself.

Nicole will eventually forgive them both, it's all just a question of time.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
tomsawyer
Member Avatar


Laufeyson
Nov 4 2013, 08:40 PM
I certainly loved the passionate way Eric said he loved her because I think he still does. He's doing some crazy projections here accusing Nicole that likely stem from his own feelings for her that he's had to keep bottled up.

Brady still shows glimmers of why I love him. Kristen has eaten his brain for breakfast and he has said some awful things to Nicole and behaved worse than a boor but I saw tiny traces of Nicole's friend underneath all of that. something tells me Nicole is going to (still) be the friend to him that sticks closer than a brother. He doesn't deserve it and she better hold off with the forgiveness and let him stew for a very long time in the mess he's made for himself.

Nicole will eventually forgive them both, it's all just a question of time.
I think it would've been even more interesting if Brady would've known about Eric's accusations and believed Nicole the way that Dan did. Obviously they chose not to play that beat because they opted to have Brady to attack Eric at the ceremony instead. But I think it would've been more interesting for the long-term if Brady (who I agree that Nicole will be getting close to again after the fallout) believed her while Eric didn't.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
somuchwhatever
Member Avatar
Brotherly Love

Maybe Nicole could get a job as the bouncer for Daniel's apartment. I have to admit I was amused by her kicking everyone the hell out of his apartment left and right today.

Posted Image

It seems that watching the show piecemeal is the way to go (pretty much Ericole and Victor & Marlena). I would probably throw things through my TV if I had to watch them finish off the once-great and now unsympathetic Jennifer Rose Horton to prop Daniel. And don't even get me started on JJ - guess my days watching his clips are gone now, too.

I never would have thought that a year after the death of my all-time favorite soap character that I'd be unwilling to watch the family Deveraux onscreen.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Supergirlx2
Member Avatar


NocturnalBlondie
Nov 4 2013, 08:36 PM
Supergirlx2
Nov 4 2013, 08:20 PM
Graceland
Nov 4 2013, 07:59 PM
When does Chandler officially end his run on the show (no longer airing)? I'm seeing November, but I thought it was December.
January/February.
Guy Wilson has been tweeting that he starts airing at the beginning of January. Wouldn't December/January be more accurate?
I couldn't remember when exactly Chandler finished, but "Jan/Feb" does imply 2014, which is still definitely not November.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
PALMommy
Member Avatar


I can't help but notice that every time Daniel leaves his apartment unattended for any length of time, lots of people come to him visit OR the people that get inside the apartment break things.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Romancer66


PALMommy
Nov 4 2013, 05:47 PM
While I know it's not the popular camp, I hated Daniel a little less today simply because he totally called Jennifer on her crap!
I can't buy Fetch for so many reasons, one of which is I don't believe they really love each other--not as the whole, flawed, imperfect, fallible people they truly are. Instead, each loves the image he or she has of the other. How many times have they gushed "Oh, you're so perfect and wonderful and amazing!" at each other? And how bitchy/douchey do they act towards each other when their unrealistic expectations aren't met? This is especially true of Jennifer. IMO, Jack spoiled her rotten. He wasn't perfect by any means, but he spent years trying to give her perfection in some form and taking all kinds of crap from her when he inevitably fell short of her standards ("I just want people to be perfect and wonderful and never to disappoint me"). Just once, I wish he'd turned it around on her, informed her of how imperfect she is, and told her to get over herself and stop acting like a Disney princess. After today, I'd be deeply amused if Daniel lost his rose-colored glasses about the so-called Sweetheart of Salem and dumped her permanently because he discovered he didn't even like the sanctimonious, self-absorbed shrew she is under her sugary coating.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
kay
Member Avatar
Kay

camera shy
Nov 4 2013, 06:06 PM
Didn't Eric bascially tell Nicole he wasn't in love with her today? He told her he loved her, but not the way she wanted. And she couldn't stand him being choosing to be a priest. I still don't see anything about them being written as a couple in the making when he's not in love with her.
Maybe he just has not realized how much he truly loves her.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
kay
Member Avatar
Kay

Graceland
Nov 4 2013, 07:59 PM
When does Chandler officially end his run on the show (no longer airing)? I'm seeing November, but I thought it was December.
Chandler' s scenes are supposed to air through December 31. Guy WilSon's scenes are supposed to air in January 2014.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
blueskies
Member Avatar


pretty good eppi; loved Ari and Greg they're completely awesome. I even don't mind Daniel in this story. Jen's the one rubbing me the wrong way atm. Just wish JJ wasn't all "Dan's a great guy" now. Blah.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Rosebud
Member Avatar


esp13
Nov 4 2013, 02:35 PM
lysie
Nov 4 2013, 02:31 PM
NocturnalBlondie
Nov 4 2013, 02:29 PM
JJ to Daniel: "I can see now that I was totally wrong about you."

Well most of us called it... I knew this was happening the minute we heard about the rape being revisited. It was a plot point to lead JJ to disown Jack, and praise Daniel as Salem's Messiah. Maybe to some, we were seen as ridiculous, but this show is way too predictable and I saw it coming a mile away.
I still think it's ridiculous because the rape part of that story has nothing to do with what's playing out now. It is annoying that he's changed his mind about Daniel, but it has nothing to do with anything that aired a month ago, IMO.
No kidding. JJ clearly still hated Daniel after he found out about Jack. His change is because Daniel is covering for JJ's ass about Theresa. None of that has anything to do with the reveal about Jack.
I think it definitely softened JJ to not being so hard on Daniel.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Graceland
Member Avatar
My son is not a homersexual.

blueskies
Nov 4 2013, 08:18 PM
the obvious solution to Kristen's dilemma is to have Eric killed.
Bang him to death!
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
blueskies
Member Avatar


Graceland
Nov 4 2013, 09:58 PM
blueskies
Nov 4 2013, 08:18 PM
the obvious solution to Kristen's dilemma is to have Eric killed.
Bang him to death!
:lol:

now THAT'S a solution!

Spoiler: click to toggle
Edited by blueskies, Nov 4 2013, 10:13 PM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Dee-anne


kay
Nov 4 2013, 09:29 PM
camera shy
Nov 4 2013, 06:06 PM
Didn't Eric bascially tell Nicole he wasn't in love with her today? He told her he loved her, but not the way she wanted. And she couldn't stand him being choosing to be a priest. I still don't see anything about them being written as a couple in the making when he's not in love with her.
Maybe he just has not realized how much he truly loves her.
Cant buy that. Not after watching his treatment of her recently. His willingness to believe that she could do such a horrendous thing to him, and his determination to not listen to a word she has to say. Not forgetting the fact that he has no concrete evidence to back up what he is saying. She is distraught and clearly very hurt by his accusations and it makes not the slightest difference to him. That is not my idea of a man in love, whether he is aware of it or not. I am more inclined to believe that he is not in love with her. Also with the writing for them, it has been Nicole that has been doing all the declarations of love and fantasising for over a year now. The closest we got from him, is telling father Matt that he loves her but, he is not in love with her, and a couple of scenes where he gives the impression that he was jealous of Brady, & Vargas. We were excusing it because he is a priest but, his behaviour these past days have been very unpriestlike, so they could have had him dreaming about Nicole if they wanted to, and maybe chastising himself after, we would not have held it against him. It would have been far better than his behaviour towards her now.

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
james0479
Member Avatar


Due to Days boring the crap out of me a few months ago, I have skipped alot of episodes but decided to have a cocktail and watch my show. I've not read any of your comments about it so forgive me. But I could honestly skull fuck that hourglass for doing what we knew they were going to eventually do.....the camera pan to THE eventual handshake of JJ and Dr Jesus. I swear to fucking GOD, i don't get it. I'll never get it. If I got it, I'd be stupid! The writers must be sucking SC's dick.....Do you guys realize Daniel is going to come out in a hero in like THREE stories?!?! THREE!!!! He covered JJ, he didn't screw Theresa, he helped Eric. NO one character needs that much involvment. I'm personally disgusted by it because it's unnecessary. Makes no sense. Does anyone know of a high paying dinner theater SC could go to ASAP? AMC maybe? Geez

But as ridiculous as Eric is being to Nicole, AZ and GV were HOLY FIRE today. I was so riveted with their performances and chemistry and just was 50 shades of WOW with those two! Phenomenal work there!

If anything makes me tune in tomorrow, it's Nicole and Eric. I'm never ever ever ever ever going to accept this Daniel shit tho. It's hard not to considering how hard it's shoved down the throat. So fuck you Days for the JJ Worship O Daniel. But what do I know? I've only been a faithful viewer for 23 years.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
jwsel
Member Avatar


lysie
Nov 4 2013, 02:41 PM
NocturnalBlondie
Nov 4 2013, 02:38 PM
lysie
Nov 4 2013, 02:31 PM
NocturnalBlondie
Nov 4 2013, 02:29 PM
JJ to Daniel: "I can see now that I was totally wrong about you."

Well most of us called it... I knew this was happening the minute we heard about the rape being revisited. It was a plot point to lead JJ to disown Jack, and praise Daniel as Salem's Messiah. Maybe to some, we were seen as ridiculous, but this show is way too predictable and I saw it coming a mile away.
I still think it's ridiculous because the rape part of that story has nothing to do with what's playing out now. It is annoying that he's changed his mind about Daniel, but it has nothing to do with anything that aired a month ago, IMO.
It does. They used the rape reveal as the climax that would lead JJ to have his meltdown, which would unravel a chain of events that would lead to this point, his new-found praise of Daniel. How is it unrelated? It's not like it's 2 different stories - they're intertwined, and Tomlin and co IMO clearly knew where this was going the minute they decided to pursue the rape thing.

Anyway........
I think it's only related if you want it to be. I mean, there's an automatic relation because both parts include JJ, but that was just a two week arc in the middle of a bigger story. No one ever claimed it was going to be more than that. The rape reveal wasn't a story. But no matter what airs now or what is said now, it's not going to change the fact that they did a relatively decent job with that reveal and that particular aspect of a bigger story that happens to be mostly crap.
I have to disagree about the rape reveal not leading to the JJ turnaround, because Daniel turning into a good guy in JJ's eyes had another component that is being overlooked. Before he covered for JJ, there was Daniel's sudden turnaround where he told JJ he wouldn't testify against him about the town square incident. That came after months of Daniel talking about how JJ needed to be held accountable for his actions. Yet suddenly Daniel was suddenly in JJ's corner. That made no sense. If Daniel had been written consistently, he should have been quite happy to get rid of JJ by sending him off to jail. Then Jennifer would not have had the distraction of JJ.

The only possible explanation for Daniel's change in attitude was that he felt sorry for JJ because of what he was going through in light of the revelations about Jack. That's pure fanwank, but there really is no other explanation since Daniel couldn't have given a damn about JJ before then, let alone be willing to sacrifice his relationship with Jennifer for her son. So the only plausible explanation for where we are now is that the Jack reveal prompted Daniel's change of mind and, thus, is a direct cause of JJ now thinking Daniel's a great guy.



Or we could just chalk this all up to stupid, plot-driven writing that ignores the concept of consistent characterization.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Jason47
Member Avatar


SoapGal1
Nov 4 2013, 01:25 PM
I think the advertisers think we're a bunch of geriatrics.
Now, now, now...they did have some Victoria's Secret ads and Oreos ads too!


OPERATIONS SCHEDULE FOR:
DAYS/LIVES
MONDAY NOVEMBER 4, 2013

SHOW STARTS AT 01:00:00 PM/ET AND RUNS FOR 01:00:00

TIME INTO LENGTH POS TITLE PRODUCT
SHOW
--------- ------ --- --------------- ---------------


00:05:56 00:05 01A Billboard
00:06:01 00:30 01B MONDELEZ OREOS
00:06:31 00:15 01C CHURCH & DWIGHT OXI CLEAN
00:06:46 00:15 01D GEN MILLS HAMBURGER HELPER
00:07:01 00:30 01E CREDIT KARMA CREDITKARMA.COM
00:07:31 00:30 01F GLAXOSMITHKLINE PRONAMEL TOOTHPASTE
00:08:01 00:15 01G P & G CHARMIN
00:08:16 00:15 01H JOHN&JOHN BAND AID
00:08:31 00:30 01I TOYS R US SKYLANDERS

00:13:14 01:00 02A AMGEN ENBREL
00:14:14 00:15 02B COSMAIR L OREAL TR5 BALM
00:14:29 00:15 02C PFIZER EMERGEN-C
00:14:44 00:15 02D VIC. SECRET UNDERWEAR
00:14:59 00:15 02E REYNOLDS PRODS ALUMINUM WRAP
00:15:14 00:15 02F UNILEVER DOVE BODY WASH
00:15:29 00:15 02G OCEAN SPRY OCEAN SPRAY
00:15:44 00:30 02H PROGRESSIVE AUT !INSURANCE/SHAZAM
00:16:14 00:30 02I PROMO THE VOICE: LIVE SHOWS

00:22:38 00:30 03A SARGENTO FOODS CHEESE
00:23:08 00:15 03B MONDELEZ OREOS
00:23:23 00:15 03C CAMPBELL SWANSON BROTH
00:23:38 00:15 03D KAO USA, INC. CUREL
00:23:53 00:15 03E SUNSWEETGROWERS AMAZINS/ONES/PRUNES
00:24:08 01:00 03F AM ADVISORS GRP REVERSE MORTGAGE
00:25:08 00:05 03G PROMO BLACKLIST
00:25:14 01:04 Station Break
00:26:19 00:15 PROMO SVU:REALITY

00:30:03 02:00 04A NOVO NORDISK VICTOZA
00:32:03 00:15 04B COSMAIR MAYBELLINE LIPSTICK
00:32:18 00:15 04C GEN MILLS CINNAMON ROLL
00:32:33 00:15 04D P & G TIDE
00:32:48 00:15 04E JOHN&JOHN ACUVUE
00:33:03 00:15 04F PROMO TBA NEWS
00:33:18 00:15 04G PROMO SOUND OF MUSIC: BTS TV

00:37:34 01:15 05A OTSUKA AMERICA ABILIFY
00:38:49 00:15 05B GEN MILLS CRESCENT ROLLS
00:39:04 00:15 05C COLGATE SLIMSOFT TOOTHBRUSH
00:39:19 00:15 05D MATTEL FISHER PRICE
00:39:34 00:15 05E KRAFT FOODS VELVEETA CHZ
00:39:49 00:15 05F MONDELEZ OREOS
00:40:05 00:30 05G PROMO THUR 8-11
00:40:35 00:30 05H PROMO CHICAGO FIRE

00:47:34 00:30 06A KIM CLARK HUGGIES PRODUCTS
00:48:04 00:15 06B VIC. SECRET UNDERWEAR
00:48:19 00:15 06C GEN MILLS CHEX SNACK
00:48:34 00:30 06D JOHN&JOHN RAPID WRINKLE REPAIR
00:49:04 00:15 06E BAYER HEALTH CA OAD WOMEN S
00:49:19 00:15 06F REYNOLDS PRODS ALUMINUM WRAP
00:49:34 01:00 06G ONEREVERSEMORTG ONE REVERSE
00:50:34 00:30 06H PROMO BLACKLIST: NO C3 MSG


00:58:11 00:15 PROMO BIGGEST LOSER
00:58:26 01:34 STN BRK (Term)
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Jason47
Member Avatar


Graceland
Nov 4 2013, 07:59 PM
When does Chandler officially end his run on the show (no longer airing)? I'm seeing November, but I thought it was December.
After Christmas Day and right around New Year's Eve or a few days after.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KAM


tomsawyer
Nov 4 2013, 08:23 PM
pagraves
Nov 4 2013, 08:03 PM
I'm late to the Ericole party. I loathed their story the first time around, even though I liked Jensen Ackles a ton. I didn't think Ari was a very good actress and I didn't like her character at all, at any point. I didn't not mourn when she left the show. But when she came back this time, with Pookie and her vulnerable heart, she became one of my favorite characters. For one thing, Ari has vastly improved her acting, to the point that I think she's probably as good as about anyone on the show. She also appeals to me in a way she never did in the beginning, though perhaps that is as much about my own aging and maturing as it is about Nicole's.

So, anyway, because I'm late to the game and because I work a day job and don't have a working recorder, I've been following the show almost entirely through this website. And then, suddenly, people started talking about how good the Eric/Nicole scenes had been the other day, when he accused her of rape. So I thought, what the heck? I tracked down the clips and, wow. I mean, I knew Ari was good, but my limited exposure to Greg Vaughn during his time on GH hadn't exactly impressed me. But he gave as good as he got in those scenes, and their chemistry was electric.

I had to see more, so I went back and found clips of their scenes to this point. I've binge-watched up to the episode where Eric starts having flashbacks to the rape, and I have a few observations.

First, based on what I was reading, I was under the impression that Eric didn't show any signs of finding Nicole sexually tempting, but after watching the clips all at one time, I'm going to have to disagree. The times that Eric has become the most incensed with her have been the times when she's giving in to sexual urges. Vargas on the desk, for instance. Or when she wanted to go out nightclubbing. And, of course, his growing belief that she raped him. This is when Eric becomes the most alive, the most passionate and on the edge of losing control over his emotions.

Given that he's a priest, and that he's sublimated that part of his manhood to keep his vows, I think it's very significant that Eric seems to be demanding of Nicole that she remain as pure as he is. It seems entirely unreasonable, since I doubt he'd get anywhere near as upset if he were dealing with, say, Brady or Daniel about their sexual activities. And since I don't think he's a chauvinist, then I think something else is driving his animation on the subject. He may not be able to have Nicole for himself, but he seems driven to keep anyone else from having her, either.

Second, I'm on the team that believes Eric has ample reason to be suspicious of Nicole, though I'm also with the team that wants to see him have to grovel for her forgiveness. One thing I noticed in watching the scenes at the capital motel with Kristen, and later in the hospital, was how Eric's first memory upon coming to was Nicole holding him. His memories are barely accessible, and he's desperate for answers. He knows Nicole's proclivity toward doing foolish and even hurtful things for love. And she HAS hurt him before, deeply, in a way that probably shaped his dealings with women from that time forward. So, when he remembers sex with a blond woman, and remembers Nicole holding him while he was sick, and adding in the eyewitness account and the oddity of Nicole going to the trouble of driving all the way to the capital just to bring him notes...I think there's ample reason to at least consider the notion.

I think you also have to understand that this terrible, traumatic thing happened to him, not someone else. If he'd heard that Nicole was still pining for Brady, and that it had been Brady who'd been violated, I don't think Eric would have believed Nicole was capable of rape. But his questions are all tangled up in his past with her. It's his worst nightmare in a way, since I believe celibacy and anger management are probably Eric's two most difficult and relentless tasks as a priest. Since I believe he IS still physically attracted to Nicole, having her be the instrument of his destruction feeds those repressed feelings because even though he's feeling used and violated, I think he's also dealing with the question of whether or not he would have participated in the sex if she'd chosen to seduce him. So you've got pain, anger, guilt and fear all stewing together to fog his brain. I can see why he'd lash out at her, seeing her as the source of his pain, since I think she's been the source of his pain for a long, long time.

Is he in love with her? Probably. Probably never stopped loving her. But he can't admit it, not even to God. Not even to himself.
Nice post.

While I don't necessarily see Eric as in love with Nicole right now, I think your version of events is very possible and I'd be willing to go along with this version of events if that's how they decide to write it. I mean, the guy is a PRIEST, so he has every reason to suppress, deny, sublimate, explain away, rationalize, etc., etc. any feeling of desire he has towards her. He's simply not supposed to feel that way and that goes way beyond just being in denial. His entire being pretty much depends on him not feeling those feelings, so yeah, I can buy that his feelings for her are buried far beneath the surface. But even if they're not (and honestly, I don't necessarily see them), I don't think it takes away from their story in the least. He obviously loves her and I'm fine with waiting for him to fall IN love with her.
I agree, nice post, pagraves. To me, it's the wonderful subtlety of Greg Vaughan's performance that makes both your and tomsawyer's take on his feelings perfectly plausible.

For example, your points about Eric's emotional response to Nicole's sexual encounter with Vargas or her frenzied desire to go 'clubbing' are apt. And that could certainly be repressed sexual jealousy -- that as Father Eric he can't have her and he doesn't want anyone else to either. That could also apply to his reaction that Nicole had friends with benefits sex with rebound Brady. Or it could be -- as you also point out in discussing the rationale for Eric's suspicions of Nicole -- that he knows Nicole's "proclivity toward doing foolish and even hurtful things for love" -- most often by using sex as a drug to dull her pain of feeling unloved and unworthy. Even just as someone who loves Nicole now in a nonsexual way that could give Eric pain when he sees her repeating her old destructive patterns that will not lead her to find self worth. It would be more telling, IMO, if Eric had similar negative emotional responses to Nicole coupled with a partner who appeared to have the potential to love and value her. As I, and I believe tomsawyer, have posted earlier, I think such an eventuality may occur later.

The scenes that have made the most impression on me are Eric's reactions to his nightmares. At first the nightmares were prompted by reliving the terrorism in the village where the priest Eric admired made the heroic self-sacrifice that Eric felt he was too cowardly to make. Nicole was so genuinely concerned that she went into the room where Eric was sleeping and tried to comfort him -- actions that were completely natural given their prior relationship but highly inappropriate given his current priestly role. Later when Nicole tentatively suggested that her tempting proximity may be the source of the nightmares, Eric reacted with amusement. Because Nicole cared and continued to probe, Eric told her of his traumatic experience and insecurities. Nicole was unstinting in validating his worth as a good man -- even then before he became a priest. Eric listened and told Nicole he needed to be alone. It wasn't until later that he smiled and acknowledged to someone else that for the first time in a long time things were good with him. I saw that as a hint that Eric didn't dare show Nicole how much her opinion of him as a man still means to him. Then when Eric did start having sex nightmares after the Kristen incident, he was troubled by something personal about them and countered Father Matt's advice that such dreams are normal for celibate priests. At that point he did not think the sex dreams were a real experience, but I think he may have feared that the drug was releasing his sublimated desire for Nicole. Again, Greg Vaughan does all this so subtly that it is simply impressions for viewers to see what they wish -- or not.

Unlike you, I was an Ericole I fan, although I knew that many, maybe even most, viewers were not, and I frequently felt as if I should not be. I agree that Ari Zucker was not the great actress then that she is now. She was 22, and it was her first acting role, other than commercials. However, even then, there was something about AZ's ability to express vulnerability that made me like her Nicole and hope Eric could bring out the best in her, despite herself. That said, even AZ could not make Nicole palatable to me in her post-Eric stories, and I did not mourn the decision to rest Nicole's character either. I think my reactions were driven by the writers. During much of the Ericole romance, Nicole was written by women, first Sally Sussman Marina and then Lorraine Broderick. Unfortunately, the last several months before Ackles left DOOL, she was written by Tom Langan, who seemed to take as much pleasure as Victor did in degrading her and setting her up to become the sex kitten cartoon character that continued more or less under a series of writers until AZ left in 2006. Since her return, she has 'had me at hello.'
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
lazydazes
Member Avatar


Don't get me wrong. I hate Eric's accusations against Nicole. But it has certainly brought some high drama that literally has me sitting on the edge of my seat. Ari and Greg have been simply superb since the Ericole 2.0 onset. More than that, what is any story without conflict? Nowhere. That's what this simply is and Greg/Ari have risen to the ocassion and exceeded my expectations with their performances throughout it. And why are Eric's accusations unforgivable? There are far more worse things that he could've done to her. And worst things have occurred in other pairings, past & present. Should Eric have accused her? Perhaps not. But it's added serious, compelling layers to their story. Plus, Eric is a victim, here, so I'm going to give him a little leeway to make mistakes. I have to hand it to Tomsell's/company's subtle strategy of placing the ball in Eric's court. Now he has to play it. And there are deep emotional complexity stages that Ericole will advance through during this journey. That's where the story lies. So, are Eric's accusations unforgivable? No. Are Ericole doomed because of them? Of course not. It's just an extra little spice that makes Ericole even that more delicious.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
ZetaBoards - Free Forum Hosting
Join the millions that use us for their forum communities. Create your own forum today.
Learn More · Sign-up Now
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · DAYS: News, Spoilers & Discussion · Next Topic »
Add Reply