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| Monday, November 4th Daily Discussion | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 4 2013, 12:27 AM (14,524 Views) | |
| NocturnalBlondie | Nov 4 2013, 08:36 PM Post #301 |
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Guy Wilson has been tweeting that he starts airing at the beginning of January. Wouldn't December/January be more accurate? |
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| Laufeyson | Nov 4 2013, 08:40 PM Post #302 |
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I certainly loved the passionate way Eric said he loved her because I think he still does. He's doing some crazy projections here accusing Nicole that likely stem from his own feelings for her that he's had to keep bottled up. Brady still shows glimmers of why I love him. Kristen has eaten his brain for breakfast and he has said some awful things to Nicole and behaved worse than a boor but I saw tiny traces of Nicole's friend underneath all of that. something tells me Nicole is going to (still) be the friend to him that sticks closer than a brother. He doesn't deserve it and she better hold off with the forgiveness and let him stew for a very long time in the mess he's made for himself. Nicole will eventually forgive them both, it's all just a question of time. |
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| tomsawyer | Nov 4 2013, 08:47 PM Post #303 |
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I think it would've been even more interesting if Brady would've known about Eric's accusations and believed Nicole the way that Dan did. Obviously they chose not to play that beat because they opted to have Brady to attack Eric at the ceremony instead. But I think it would've been more interesting for the long-term if Brady (who I agree that Nicole will be getting close to again after the fallout) believed her while Eric didn't. |
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| somuchwhatever | Nov 4 2013, 08:53 PM Post #304 |
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Brotherly Love
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Maybe Nicole could get a job as the bouncer for Daniel's apartment. I have to admit I was amused by her kicking everyone the hell out of his apartment left and right today. Posted Image It seems that watching the show piecemeal is the way to go (pretty much Ericole and Victor & Marlena). I would probably throw things through my TV if I had to watch them finish off the once-great and now unsympathetic Jennifer Rose Horton to prop Daniel. And don't even get me started on JJ - guess my days watching his clips are gone now, too. I never would have thought that a year after the death of my all-time favorite soap character that I'd be unwilling to watch the family Deveraux onscreen. |
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| Supergirlx2 | Nov 4 2013, 09:13 PM Post #305 |
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I couldn't remember when exactly Chandler finished, but "Jan/Feb" does imply 2014, which is still definitely not November. |
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| PALMommy | Nov 4 2013, 09:16 PM Post #306 |
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I can't help but notice that every time Daniel leaves his apartment unattended for any length of time, lots of people come to him visit OR the people that get inside the apartment break things. |
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| Romancer66 | Nov 4 2013, 09:18 PM Post #307 |
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I can't buy Fetch for so many reasons, one of which is I don't believe they really love each other--not as the whole, flawed, imperfect, fallible people they truly are. Instead, each loves the image he or she has of the other. How many times have they gushed "Oh, you're so perfect and wonderful and amazing!" at each other? And how bitchy/douchey do they act towards each other when their unrealistic expectations aren't met? This is especially true of Jennifer. IMO, Jack spoiled her rotten. He wasn't perfect by any means, but he spent years trying to give her perfection in some form and taking all kinds of crap from her when he inevitably fell short of her standards ("I just want people to be perfect and wonderful and never to disappoint me"). Just once, I wish he'd turned it around on her, informed her of how imperfect she is, and told her to get over herself and stop acting like a Disney princess. After today, I'd be deeply amused if Daniel lost his rose-colored glasses about the so-called Sweetheart of Salem and dumped her permanently because he discovered he didn't even like the sanctimonious, self-absorbed shrew she is under her sugary coating. |
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| kay | Nov 4 2013, 09:29 PM Post #308 |
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Maybe he just has not realized how much he truly loves her. |
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| kay | Nov 4 2013, 09:36 PM Post #309 |
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Chandler' s scenes are supposed to air through December 31. Guy WilSon's scenes are supposed to air in January 2014. |
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| blueskies | Nov 4 2013, 09:37 PM Post #310 |
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pretty good eppi; loved Ari and Greg they're completely awesome. I even don't mind Daniel in this story. Jen's the one rubbing me the wrong way atm. Just wish JJ wasn't all "Dan's a great guy" now. Blah. |
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| Rosebud | Nov 4 2013, 09:58 PM Post #311 |
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I think it definitely softened JJ to not being so hard on Daniel. |
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| Graceland | Nov 4 2013, 09:58 PM Post #312 |
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My son is not a homersexual.
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Bang him to death! |
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| blueskies | Nov 4 2013, 10:09 PM Post #313 |
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:lol: now THAT'S a solution! Spoiler: click to toggle
Edited by blueskies, Nov 4 2013, 10:13 PM.
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| Dee-anne | Nov 4 2013, 10:25 PM Post #314 |
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Cant buy that. Not after watching his treatment of her recently. His willingness to believe that she could do such a horrendous thing to him, and his determination to not listen to a word she has to say. Not forgetting the fact that he has no concrete evidence to back up what he is saying. She is distraught and clearly very hurt by his accusations and it makes not the slightest difference to him. That is not my idea of a man in love, whether he is aware of it or not. I am more inclined to believe that he is not in love with her. Also with the writing for them, it has been Nicole that has been doing all the declarations of love and fantasising for over a year now. The closest we got from him, is telling father Matt that he loves her but, he is not in love with her, and a couple of scenes where he gives the impression that he was jealous of Brady, & Vargas. We were excusing it because he is a priest but, his behaviour these past days have been very unpriestlike, so they could have had him dreaming about Nicole if they wanted to, and maybe chastising himself after, we would not have held it against him. It would have been far better than his behaviour towards her now. |
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| james0479 | Nov 4 2013, 10:36 PM Post #315 |
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Due to Days boring the crap out of me a few months ago, I have skipped alot of episodes but decided to have a cocktail and watch my show. I've not read any of your comments about it so forgive me. But I could honestly skull fuck that hourglass for doing what we knew they were going to eventually do.....the camera pan to THE eventual handshake of JJ and Dr Jesus. I swear to fucking GOD, i don't get it. I'll never get it. If I got it, I'd be stupid! The writers must be sucking SC's dick.....Do you guys realize Daniel is going to come out in a hero in like THREE stories?!?! THREE!!!! He covered JJ, he didn't screw Theresa, he helped Eric. NO one character needs that much involvment. I'm personally disgusted by it because it's unnecessary. Makes no sense. Does anyone know of a high paying dinner theater SC could go to ASAP? AMC maybe? Geez But as ridiculous as Eric is being to Nicole, AZ and GV were HOLY FIRE today. I was so riveted with their performances and chemistry and just was 50 shades of WOW with those two! Phenomenal work there! If anything makes me tune in tomorrow, it's Nicole and Eric. I'm never ever ever ever ever going to accept this Daniel shit tho. It's hard not to considering how hard it's shoved down the throat. So fuck you Days for the JJ Worship O Daniel. But what do I know? I've only been a faithful viewer for 23 years. |
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| jwsel | Nov 4 2013, 10:39 PM Post #316 |
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I have to disagree about the rape reveal not leading to the JJ turnaround, because Daniel turning into a good guy in JJ's eyes had another component that is being overlooked. Before he covered for JJ, there was Daniel's sudden turnaround where he told JJ he wouldn't testify against him about the town square incident. That came after months of Daniel talking about how JJ needed to be held accountable for his actions. Yet suddenly Daniel was suddenly in JJ's corner. That made no sense. If Daniel had been written consistently, he should have been quite happy to get rid of JJ by sending him off to jail. Then Jennifer would not have had the distraction of JJ. The only possible explanation for Daniel's change in attitude was that he felt sorry for JJ because of what he was going through in light of the revelations about Jack. That's pure fanwank, but there really is no other explanation since Daniel couldn't have given a damn about JJ before then, let alone be willing to sacrifice his relationship with Jennifer for her son. So the only plausible explanation for where we are now is that the Jack reveal prompted Daniel's change of mind and, thus, is a direct cause of JJ now thinking Daniel's a great guy. Or we could just chalk this all up to stupid, plot-driven writing that ignores the concept of consistent characterization. |
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| Jason47 | Nov 4 2013, 10:42 PM Post #317 |
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Now, now, now...they did have some Victoria's Secret ads and Oreos ads too! OPERATIONS SCHEDULE FOR: DAYS/LIVES MONDAY NOVEMBER 4, 2013 SHOW STARTS AT 01:00:00 PM/ET AND RUNS FOR 01:00:00 TIME INTO LENGTH POS TITLE PRODUCT SHOW --------- ------ --- --------------- --------------- 00:05:56 00:05 01A Billboard 00:06:01 00:30 01B MONDELEZ OREOS 00:06:31 00:15 01C CHURCH & DWIGHT OXI CLEAN 00:06:46 00:15 01D GEN MILLS HAMBURGER HELPER 00:07:01 00:30 01E CREDIT KARMA CREDITKARMA.COM 00:07:31 00:30 01F GLAXOSMITHKLINE PRONAMEL TOOTHPASTE 00:08:01 00:15 01G P & G CHARMIN 00:08:16 00:15 01H JOHN&JOHN BAND AID 00:08:31 00:30 01I TOYS R US SKYLANDERS 00:13:14 01:00 02A AMGEN ENBREL 00:14:14 00:15 02B COSMAIR L OREAL TR5 BALM 00:14:29 00:15 02C PFIZER EMERGEN-C 00:14:44 00:15 02D VIC. SECRET UNDERWEAR 00:14:59 00:15 02E REYNOLDS PRODS ALUMINUM WRAP 00:15:14 00:15 02F UNILEVER DOVE BODY WASH 00:15:29 00:15 02G OCEAN SPRY OCEAN SPRAY 00:15:44 00:30 02H PROGRESSIVE AUT !INSURANCE/SHAZAM 00:16:14 00:30 02I PROMO THE VOICE: LIVE SHOWS 00:22:38 00:30 03A SARGENTO FOODS CHEESE 00:23:08 00:15 03B MONDELEZ OREOS 00:23:23 00:15 03C CAMPBELL SWANSON BROTH 00:23:38 00:15 03D KAO USA, INC. CUREL 00:23:53 00:15 03E SUNSWEETGROWERS AMAZINS/ONES/PRUNES 00:24:08 01:00 03F AM ADVISORS GRP REVERSE MORTGAGE 00:25:08 00:05 03G PROMO BLACKLIST 00:25:14 01:04 Station Break 00:26:19 00:15 PROMO SVU:REALITY 00:30:03 02:00 04A NOVO NORDISK VICTOZA 00:32:03 00:15 04B COSMAIR MAYBELLINE LIPSTICK 00:32:18 00:15 04C GEN MILLS CINNAMON ROLL 00:32:33 00:15 04D P & G TIDE 00:32:48 00:15 04E JOHN&JOHN ACUVUE 00:33:03 00:15 04F PROMO TBA NEWS 00:33:18 00:15 04G PROMO SOUND OF MUSIC: BTS TV 00:37:34 01:15 05A OTSUKA AMERICA ABILIFY 00:38:49 00:15 05B GEN MILLS CRESCENT ROLLS 00:39:04 00:15 05C COLGATE SLIMSOFT TOOTHBRUSH 00:39:19 00:15 05D MATTEL FISHER PRICE 00:39:34 00:15 05E KRAFT FOODS VELVEETA CHZ 00:39:49 00:15 05F MONDELEZ OREOS 00:40:05 00:30 05G PROMO THUR 8-11 00:40:35 00:30 05H PROMO CHICAGO FIRE 00:47:34 00:30 06A KIM CLARK HUGGIES PRODUCTS 00:48:04 00:15 06B VIC. SECRET UNDERWEAR 00:48:19 00:15 06C GEN MILLS CHEX SNACK 00:48:34 00:30 06D JOHN&JOHN RAPID WRINKLE REPAIR 00:49:04 00:15 06E BAYER HEALTH CA OAD WOMEN S 00:49:19 00:15 06F REYNOLDS PRODS ALUMINUM WRAP 00:49:34 01:00 06G ONEREVERSEMORTG ONE REVERSE 00:50:34 00:30 06H PROMO BLACKLIST: NO C3 MSG 00:58:11 00:15 PROMO BIGGEST LOSER 00:58:26 01:34 STN BRK (Term) |
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| Jason47 | Nov 4 2013, 10:47 PM Post #318 |
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After Christmas Day and right around New Year's Eve or a few days after. |
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| KAM | Nov 4 2013, 10:52 PM Post #319 |
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I agree, nice post, pagraves. To me, it's the wonderful subtlety of Greg Vaughan's performance that makes both your and tomsawyer's take on his feelings perfectly plausible. For example, your points about Eric's emotional response to Nicole's sexual encounter with Vargas or her frenzied desire to go 'clubbing' are apt. And that could certainly be repressed sexual jealousy -- that as Father Eric he can't have her and he doesn't want anyone else to either. That could also apply to his reaction that Nicole had friends with benefits sex with rebound Brady. Or it could be -- as you also point out in discussing the rationale for Eric's suspicions of Nicole -- that he knows Nicole's "proclivity toward doing foolish and even hurtful things for love" -- most often by using sex as a drug to dull her pain of feeling unloved and unworthy. Even just as someone who loves Nicole now in a nonsexual way that could give Eric pain when he sees her repeating her old destructive patterns that will not lead her to find self worth. It would be more telling, IMO, if Eric had similar negative emotional responses to Nicole coupled with a partner who appeared to have the potential to love and value her. As I, and I believe tomsawyer, have posted earlier, I think such an eventuality may occur later. The scenes that have made the most impression on me are Eric's reactions to his nightmares. At first the nightmares were prompted by reliving the terrorism in the village where the priest Eric admired made the heroic self-sacrifice that Eric felt he was too cowardly to make. Nicole was so genuinely concerned that she went into the room where Eric was sleeping and tried to comfort him -- actions that were completely natural given their prior relationship but highly inappropriate given his current priestly role. Later when Nicole tentatively suggested that her tempting proximity may be the source of the nightmares, Eric reacted with amusement. Because Nicole cared and continued to probe, Eric told her of his traumatic experience and insecurities. Nicole was unstinting in validating his worth as a good man -- even then before he became a priest. Eric listened and told Nicole he needed to be alone. It wasn't until later that he smiled and acknowledged to someone else that for the first time in a long time things were good with him. I saw that as a hint that Eric didn't dare show Nicole how much her opinion of him as a man still means to him. Then when Eric did start having sex nightmares after the Kristen incident, he was troubled by something personal about them and countered Father Matt's advice that such dreams are normal for celibate priests. At that point he did not think the sex dreams were a real experience, but I think he may have feared that the drug was releasing his sublimated desire for Nicole. Again, Greg Vaughan does all this so subtly that it is simply impressions for viewers to see what they wish -- or not. Unlike you, I was an Ericole I fan, although I knew that many, maybe even most, viewers were not, and I frequently felt as if I should not be. I agree that Ari Zucker was not the great actress then that she is now. She was 22, and it was her first acting role, other than commercials. However, even then, there was something about AZ's ability to express vulnerability that made me like her Nicole and hope Eric could bring out the best in her, despite herself. That said, even AZ could not make Nicole palatable to me in her post-Eric stories, and I did not mourn the decision to rest Nicole's character either. I think my reactions were driven by the writers. During much of the Ericole romance, Nicole was written by women, first Sally Sussman Marina and then Lorraine Broderick. Unfortunately, the last several months before Ackles left DOOL, she was written by Tom Langan, who seemed to take as much pleasure as Victor did in degrading her and setting her up to become the sex kitten cartoon character that continued more or less under a series of writers until AZ left in 2006. Since her return, she has 'had me at hello.' |
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| lazydazes | Nov 4 2013, 10:55 PM Post #320 |
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Don't get me wrong. I hate Eric's accusations against Nicole. But it has certainly brought some high drama that literally has me sitting on the edge of my seat. Ari and Greg have been simply superb since the Ericole 2.0 onset. More than that, what is any story without conflict? Nowhere. That's what this simply is and Greg/Ari have risen to the ocassion and exceeded my expectations with their performances throughout it. And why are Eric's accusations unforgivable? There are far more worse things that he could've done to her. And worst things have occurred in other pairings, past & present. Should Eric have accused her? Perhaps not. But it's added serious, compelling layers to their story. Plus, Eric is a victim, here, so I'm going to give him a little leeway to make mistakes. I have to hand it to Tomsell's/company's subtle strategy of placing the ball in Eric's court. Now he has to play it. And there are deep emotional complexity stages that Ericole will advance through during this journey. That's where the story lies. So, are Eric's accusations unforgivable? No. Are Ericole doomed because of them? Of course not. It's just an extra little spice that makes Ericole even that more delicious. |
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