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| Monday, November 4th Daily Discussion | |
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| esp13 | Nov 4 2013, 11:17 PM Post #321 |
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I'm sorry, but I'm having a hard time with the idea that when a parent moves on after losing a spouse (no matter how quickly) that the appropriate and rational response is vandalism and rage while the inappropriate and irrational response is love and support. Especially when the person being moved on with is somebody who was previously involved with that parent. I mean it's not like Jennifer picked up a stranger at a bar two days after Jack's memorial and moved him into the Horton house. She and Daniel were together before Jack came back and they didn't split because they didn't care anymore. Abby's reaction was exactly what it should have been because she's an adult who can comprehend complex emotions. JJ's was way over the top and I'm glad he finally figured that out. It gives me a little hope for the character. |
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| jwsel | Nov 5 2013, 12:05 AM Post #322 |
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I don't think anyone is saying JJ's response was rational. I think what some of us are saying is that JJ's response was natural and understandable. Teens are not rational. Teens who have suffered profound hurt and are neglected are even less rational. So JJ lashed out at a logical target -- Daniel -- the guy he saw as replacing his father. So, yeah, it's not rational, but ask any step-parent of a teen and they will probably tell you plenty of stories of the hatred they received when they came into the picture. Hell, what JJ did to Daniel doesn't come close to what my teen brothers put my stepmother and stepfather through when my parents split. |
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| Ophelia | Nov 5 2013, 12:37 AM Post #323 |
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I wish I could remember the context, but we had a conversation in another thread about Eric's behavior as a priest, how he seemed to be overcompensating in his role, and perhaps he wasn't as sure about being a priest as he pretends to be. Unfortunately, I have no inkling at all what we were talking about beyond that conclusion. Eric has always struck me as a devout man who has had several experiences that pushed him toward the priesthood. There was the car accident with Jensen as Eric (and some weird stuff with Greta that I watched on YouTube a few months ago) and the situation in Africa off-screen with Eric 2.0. At the same time, I've not really gotten the feeling that he was called to the priesthood so much as he was pushed in that direction. Prior to the rape, he could be quite sanctimonious and he thoroughly enjoyed all the external validation of his choice to be a priest, but he hasn't been peaceful. He's been tormented by his dreams about Africa, by survivor's guilt, and (if the brief scenes with Father Matt are to be believed) by some residual feelings towards Nicole. Note: I'm not suggesting he's still in love with her, necessarily. Just that there are feelings there that may conflict with his mission. He doesn't strike me as someone who has found his calling in life, he strikes me as someone who is doing a penance for something. He's not unlike Nicole in this way. Now he is dealing with the horror of his rape. I get so lost on how many days have actually passed in Salem, but we're really talking about a very short amount of time since he found out. He's shell-shocked, he's angry and hurt and a thousand other things. On top of that, he's feeling guilty about breaking his vow, but something struck me as off about that conversation between them today when he was talking about how she wanted to sleep with him so badly that she was willing to drug him. Maybe it was just a strangeness in the dialogue, but it felt like there was an undercurrent of something there that I can't quite put my finger on. ETA: Perhaps what I'm thinking is that he has been using the priesthood as a shield. Not so much healing from his trauma and his guilt as hiding from it. Nicole, on the other hand, has been wearing her sins on her sleeve and has been slowly healing. Edited by Ophelia, Nov 5 2013, 12:42 AM.
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| naptown | Nov 5 2013, 01:15 AM Post #324 |
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All I can say after watching today's episode and Friday's, WTF? Are these fucking writers 13 year-olds? I have to wonder if these actors are embarrassed to have to play this shit out. The only exception was the Eric and Nicole scenes, and that had more to do with AZ and GV's acting and their ability to shine a turd that is this storyline. Otherwise, I'm tired of seeing 40/50 somethings acting like they are in JR high.
Edited by naptown, Nov 5 2013, 01:55 AM.
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| DJsMommy | Nov 5 2013, 02:17 AM Post #325 |
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SO MUCH THIS! I just don't see anything on his end of loving & wanting Nicole. I just see friendship & now hurt since he thinks she drugged & violated him. Sure he's a priest & yada yada yada, but i am not seeing any "what could've been" longing or even just a blink-and-you-missed-it thought about Nicole from him in *that* way. Believe me, I really wished I saw something from him, because Nicole deserves to be loved. Visually, they'd be stunning together, since IMO they are the 2 best looking people on the show, but I'm just not feelin' it. Anyway, today was a great episode! Loved loved Marlena & Victor! JJ falling under Dan The Man's spell is disappointing, but again, I didn't mind Dan today. I'm really glad he's being there for Nicole, which is more than I can say for that douche Brady, who was supposed to care SO MUCH about her. :rolleyes: Rafe & Jordan was a little cheesy, but adorable nonetheless. I also really liked the Hope & Rafe scenes. I'm so glad Rafe has been a good friend to my 2 girls, Nicole & Hope. And finally, I must :hail: to the wonderful & awesome Arianne Zucker. She just knocked these scenes out of the park. She was flawless! The only thing that could have made her better today was if she had smacked the doofus out of Brady & slapped Eric right off of that high horse! :hail: |
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| MissFancyFace | Nov 5 2013, 02:31 AM Post #326 |
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Some gals have all the luck!
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:blulaugh: :blulaugh: :blulaugh: That is fucking hilarious! :lol: |
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| Kirk | Nov 5 2013, 03:16 AM Post #327 |
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Okay Melissa Reeves has 3 vagina necks in 1 or has Arbys Big Montana sandwich neck in her 40s what gives? I can't get past it.
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| esp13 | Nov 5 2013, 08:13 AM Post #328 |
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Fair enough. But in my experience you can understand a reaction without believing it is the right reaction and that is what people have been saying. That JJ was right in his reactions and his actions and I simply disagree with that. He was not right and, in my opinion, given the history with Jen and Daniel, not even particularly understandable. And I know abou split families and children's reactions. It doesn't meant that I have to believe that JJ acted correctly or that the writers did a proper job of setting up JJ's OTT hatred of Daniel. Because I don't believe that they did. My opinion. |
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| LanaluvsBroe | Nov 5 2013, 08:16 AM Post #329 |
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As mad as I am at Eric right now, I have to agree that his actions are not beyond forgiveness. Come next week my heart is going hurt for him. Not that Nicole isn't vindicated in her anger. But he's still the victim of a horrific crime and add to that he's about to lose someone who has been near & dear to his heart for a long time because of said crime. I have no doubt that Greg and Ari are going to break my heart. Again. :'( |
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| pagraves | Nov 5 2013, 08:28 AM Post #330 |
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Being in love with someone is not some sort of impenetrable armor that keeps you from ever doubting them. If anything, all that emotion makes you MORE likely to act on fear and a sense of betrayal. Eric can believe Nicole would hurt him that way because she's already betrayed him before, hurting him deeply. She's told him over and over that she's not the person he believes she is, that she's not a saint and she's not good. He's been the one telling her she's wrong, so when this happens, and his memories and Kristen's machinations combine to make him think the unthinkable, his reaction is going to be more volatile if he IS having unwanted feelings for Nicole than if he isn't. Some seem to think his jumping to this wrong conclusion is evidence that he's not repressing any romantic feelings for Nicole. I think the opposite. His rage and pain have done more than anything else to convince me he does. |
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| JillianJ | Nov 5 2013, 08:35 AM Post #331 |
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We are just at the beginning, and loving her is most certainly a start, this is not a man who sees Nicole as some sort of a pawn in his games with another woman, or to be used when he needs a pick me up, he genuinely cares about her and inspite of his lashing out due to his confusion about what happened to him, the fact that his feelings come from a real and genuine place, means IMO, he will invest the time in making it up to her. I don't think any of the other men in Nicole's life would even bother doing that. |
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| JillianJ | Nov 5 2013, 08:37 AM Post #332 |
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Very well said. |
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| PatNS | Nov 5 2013, 08:40 AM Post #333 |
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Please note: This report is not to be copied and pasted to any other sites. Please link only. Link to summary archive: http://www.network54.com/Forum/358635/ Director: Herb Stein Scriptwriter: Carolyn Culliton Segment 1: When Jen asks JJ what's he doing here in Dan's office his response is - What are you doing here? Jen - I asked you first. Dan - Go ahead, tell her. Kate comes into Rafe's room. It's empty. Maxine tells her that Jordan just took him out for some fresh air. Kate - That girl is so full of good ideas. Maxine - Okay, what's the problem? Rafe wheels himself through the park. It's so nice to be out and about on my own ... sort of. Jordan - You're doing great with the chair. All those hours on the balance beams ... Rafe - Would you not talk about my physical therapy tonight. Jordan - Okay. What do you want to talk about. Rafe - I don't know. Maybe we can just pretend that you're not my therapist and I'm your patient; we're just two friends hanging out on a beautiful night. Think you could do that? Kristen tells Nicole she's here to see Daniel. Why else would she be here. She walks in. Nicole - It's a little late to be dropping by, don't you think, especially the night before your wedding. Kristen - Who the hell do you think you are? Do you think I owe you an explanation. Nicole - Well for a woman who's marrying the man of her dreams you sure seem a little nervous. What's that all about? Marlena stares at the computer. I can't believe that bitch did this. Hope returns to the coffee area near the nurse's station surprised to see Eric still here. He's hoping to speak to Theresa again. Hope - I left because she couldn't keep her eyes open. She has a lot of drugs to get out of system. Eric - Aunt Kayla told me that Daniel was with her when she OD'd. Hope - He's the one that got her to the hospital. Eric - I can't believe it. Even though they're broken up I thought Daniel was still in love with Jennifer. Hope - We all thought that. JJ - So what, you're just going to hang me out to dry! Dan - I guess if JJ doesn't want you to know why he stopped by ... to let me have it again for what I did to you. Jen - That is so out of line. Dan - Yeah, I'm kind of sick of you popping off about what a jerk I am. JJ - I'm sorry Mom. This guy gets away with everything. You think you're so cool ... Jen - I appreciate you sticking up for me but that is enough. Just go home please. JJ - You coming with me? Jen - No, I have something that I want to say to Daniel but I won't be long. JJ leaves. Dan - So, what do you want to say? Kristen - Daniel is my friend. I don't have to give you an excuse as to why ... Nicole - BTW, nice way to spend the night before your wedding; trying to dig up dirt on Daniel and that little slut Theresa Donovan. Brady walks in. Nicole - Oh, you're here too; must be my lucky night. Brady - Sami told me that Theresa was hospitalised after an overdose and then Daniel told me he took care of someone who had OD'd. Nicole - Oh, so you put 2+2 together. You don't really know what happened but you decided to pop on over and weigh in on what a lowlife Daniel is. I thought you were supposed to be his friend. You think a person is your friend and then out of the blue they decide you're doing something you would never ever do. I'm so sick and tired of that. Brady - Why don't you calm down. As they argue Kristen is thinking to herself. Eric thinks she was the woman in his hotel. He has no idea it was me Marlena stares at a big Red X on the screen. What in God's name is this? It would be just like Kristen to download a virus. Oh my gosh, if she crashes my harddrive ... she pulls out the flashdrive. Wait a minute. What if it's all just a big hoax? What if it was all just a big waste of time. Segment 2: Kate doesn't know what Maxine is talking about. Why would you think something is wrong? Maxine - Because you're questioning anyone that will answer about Jordan. It's pretty clear you're not a fan. Kate - Well she's a little guarded and that bothers me. Maxine - She's stand-offish but she grows on you. Kate - So does flesh eating bacteria. Maxine - Give her a break. She works hard and she's making real progress with Rafe. Maxine leaves. Kate mutters - I bet she is, in more ways than one. Jordan guesses she can just hang out for a while. Getting your mind off the therapy could help your mental state and help you apply the results ... Rafe - You can't stop yourself can you? Jordan - Okay, what do want to talk about? Rafe - Do you know anything about football? Jordan - Like what. Rafe starts listing some of the fundamentals of the game until Jordan chimes in - What do you think is the best way to stop the pistol offence. Rafe thinks it's obvious - you've got to go 'dime'? Jordan - Even though it makes you small and vulnerable to the run? Rafe - Now that's what I'm talking about! Hope - He should have known better than to get involved with her of all people. Eric - How involved was he? Hope - Honestly, I don't know. Theresa says she can't remember anything and Daniel is being evasive to put it mildly. Eric - I hope this doesn't bring him down. He's become a good friend. Hope - I didn't know. Eric - Remember when I was sick when I was out of town? He treated me and since then he's been helping me try to figure out what happened to me. Hope - Did he find any answers? Eric - A few but I think it's beyond medical science. Nicole - Daniel didn't do anything wrong. Brady - He kind of did because he slept with Theresa; a girl that he knows Jennifer can't stand. Nicole - Oh yeah, the sainted Jennifer. We should all abide by her likes and dislikes. They broke up pal. Daniel can sleep with anyone he wants. Kristen - Yeah, including you? Nicole - Would you please tell your bride to be that Nicole says shut the hell up. Brady - What are you doing here anyway at Daniel's apt.? Nicole - I suppose you're going to tell Eric that too. Brady - I am truly sorry that Eric found out about how you feel about him. That was my fault. I did not intend for that to happen. Nicole - No matter what my feelings for him are or were I always kept them under wraps. Eric's back for over a year and for him to accuse me of ... Brady - What did he accuse you of? Nicole - Nothing. Eric is out of my life and so are you. So why don't you take the Mrs. here and get the hell out. Get out! Kristen - Come on, let's go. Jen - I want you to stay away from JJ. Dan - So he walks in here ... you want me to do what, vacate? Jen - No I just want you to not engage with him. Dan - Fine, whatever you want. Jen - Okay thank you. Dan - So why are you here. Jen - I'm not really sure. She starts to leave but stops. I came here because I want some answers and I'm not going to leave until I get them. Segment 3: Jordan and Rafe argue the points of defence and offence. Rafe - I've got to ask, how do you know so much about football? Jordan - I don't. I just pretend like I do. I'd much rather be working on my embroidery or baking a pie. Rafe - I didn't mean how come you know so much for a woman; you know a hell of a lot more than most guys do. Jordan - I had a rehab patient who played in the NFL. Rafe - Who? Jordan - I can't tell you. Rafe starts guessing. Just tell me. Jordan - Do you want me telling my next patient all the inside stuff about you? Rafe - I really hate it when you're right. Jordan - I keep telling you I'm always right. Rafe - That's too bad because you're not getting any of my cookies. Jordan - Good, I'm on a diet. Rafe scoffs - With that body? Oh, these are my sister's favourite Mexican chocolate chip cookies. Jordan - What makes them Mexican? Rafe - Cinnamon, cayenne pepper. Jordan - They really eat those in Mexico? Rafe holds one out - Come on, you know you want one. She takes it and bites into is. OMG, that is amazing. Rafe - I did not know you were capable of that. Jordan - What? Rafe - Joy. She swats him on the arm. Dan - I think you got all the answers you need. Jen - Are you serious? After everything we meant to each other I think I have a right to know how long you've been sleeping with my assistant. Dan - I never ever cheated on you. That's all you need to know. Jen - Theresa's been trying to convince me for weeks now that the two of you have something going on and I wouldn't believe it. Dan - Well, you made it very clear that we're done so what I do now is really not your concern. Jen - I realised I pushed you away and you have a right to live your life the way you want to but with a conniving, drug-addict slut, are you kidding me! Is that your type now? Dan - I really don't have to defend my actions to you. Again, not your concern. Jen - We were just talking about how much I hated Theresa and the next you do is your get in your car and you drive to her place. So I guess what I really want to find out is did you really want to hurt me that much? Kristen and Brady are in the square. Kristen - Isn't it a relief that Eric changed his mind and he's going to marry us after all. Brady - Yes it is. He still wants to talk to me tomorrow morning though. Kristen - That should be painless, right? I hope so. Brady - I'm hoping too but I despise the fact that he was so upset in the first place. So what Nicole had a little crush on him. I don't see what the big deal is. Nicole's beside herself that he's furious with her; he's turned his back on her. Whatever he thinks that she did to him had to have been bad because it pushed him over the edge. Kristen - I wonder what it was? Brady - The way Nicole is now; the way she's acting, there's more to this story. Kristen - Stop. I think that we shouldn't think about them at all because I'm marrying you tomorrow and that's all that I want to think about. So whatever is going on between Eric and Nicole has nothing to do with us. Brady - You're right. I forgot to ask you, what were you doing at Daniel's apt in the first place. Nicole is trying to drink from a mug but her hand is shaking so badly she has to put the mug down. There's a knock on the door. What, are they lining up to tell Daniel off? If it's that sanctimonious Maggie Kiriakis I'm going to tell her to kiss my ... she opens the door ... it's Eric. Victor opens the door of the K mansion to an out of breath Marlena. What, are you running the 10k? Marlena - I need your help. Vic - Make it fast. Maggie's on to us. She knows something's up and she doesn't like it. Marlena - Is she here? Vic - No, it's her bridge night, still ... Marlena - Perfect. She holds up the flashdrive. Still think I shouldn't be here? Vic - Is that ... Marlena - Kristen's flashdrive? Why yes it is? Vic - How do you know? Marlena - You see that bit of paint. It's not paint. It's nail polish. I got it on there myself. Vic - So you got the goods on Kristen. Marlena - I don't know. It's encrypted. I'm not a technical expert. Vic - How do you know it's encrypted. Marlena - Because I put it on my computer, a pop-up happened and then my computer froze. Vic - Maybe there's a virus on it. Marlena - In that case it's useless but when I opened it there was a file. When I clicked on the file that's when the pop-up happened. So if we can open that file we may have the goods on Kristen. Vic - Well fortunately you've come to the right place. Segment 4: Jordan - I might have overreacted a bit. Rafe - When was the last time you let yourself have a cookie. Jordan - I'm not some obsessive health fanatic if that's what you're driving at. Rafe - No I wasn't. It's just nice to see you having a good time. Jordan - I know how to have a good time. Rafe laughs - When? Seriously, you're always working at the hospital and when you're not you're out here wheeling me around. Jordan - I do that because these excursions end up making my life easier. Rafe - How? Jordan - They boost your determination and lift your spirits. Rafe - They do indeed. He offers her another cookie. Jordan - I couldn't. Rafe holds the cookie up for her - Why do you keep yourself on such a short leash? Sorry, none of my business. How about half? Jordan - Sure. They have their 'moment' when their fingers touch when they're breaking the cookie in half. Jen - Did you go after Theresa just to hurt me? I think I deserve an answer to that? Dan - Well I don't. I think you gave up the right to ask me about my private life when you said I never want to see you again. Jen - I didn't do that because I wanted to. I did it because I was afraid I was going to alienate my son completely and he was going to slip through the cracks. Dan - You have him back now and I'm happy for you but you made a choice. You can't have it both ways. Jen - Okay, so, you're just shutting me out. Dan - Maybe now you know what it feels like. She leaves crying. Kristen claims she went to talk to Daniel about what's going on with Jennifer. It was stupid. Brady talked to Jennifer. She doesn't want to come to the wedding if Daniel is going to be there. Kristen knows. She's my best friend. Brady - I'll call Daniel tomorrow. I'm sure he'll understand that you need to have your best friend at your wedding. Kristen - I don't care if he understands or not. After what he did to Jennifer I don't want him there period. Brady - Okay. I understand and I don't blame you either. Kristen - Why don't we stop by and stay hi to Jen; make sure she's okay. Brady - That's a good idea. Eric - I'm here to see Daniel. Nicole - What? Is there a stand outside where you take a ticket to wait your turn to tell Daniel off. Eric - I thought that maybe he wanted to talk. I'm not here to judge him. Nicole - You're not going to be judgemental? Wow what a refreshing change of pace. Eric - Is he here? Nicole - No. Eric heads to the door but Nicole says 'Wait'. You got to say your piece now I'm going to say mine. Segment 5: (Somehow they replay Section 4 again) Segment 6: Hope is leaving Rafe a note when Jordan wheels him in. Hope - Perfect timing. I was just leaving you a note. Are you up for a visitor? Rafe - I am if it's you. He introduces Jordan to Hope - She and I work together. Jordan Ridgeway, my physical therapist, she busts my butt everyday. Hope - Good! Nice to finally meet you. It looks like you're doing a great job here. Jordan - Thanks. I'll let you two talk. Rafe - Thanks for tonight. Jordan - My pleasure. Nice to meet you. Hope - So Kate said that you're making great progress and I can see that she's right. Rafe - When did you see Kate? Hope - Here. She stopped by to see you. She seems very invested in your recovery. Rafe - Yeah, she's been very supportive. I just wish she didn't feel guilty about what happened. It's obviously not her fault. Hope - You think she's being supportive because she feels guilty? Jordan is writing on a chart. She smiles when she recalls her moment with Rafe. Kate walks up. Judging from that smile someone had a fun night. Eric - I'm not surprised Daniel believes you. No one wants to believe that you're capable of tricking a priest into breaking his own vows, not even me but Daniel wasn't even there. Nicole - You're awfully sure of yourself for a person who has nothing to go but a hazy memory and a couple of stupid coincidences. Eric snaps - I've got more than that! Nicole - Oh really? Eric - You kidnapped Sami's baby. You accused Jennifer of pushing you down a flight of stairs when you were pregnant. I didn't want to believe any of that either but you did it. Nicole - I see what you're doing. You're trying to pin this on me so you can kick me out of your life. Eric - I don't hate you Nicole. I have nothing but pity for you. Nicole - Pity! Eric - I'm not even going to try and stop you from trying to sell your version of what happened because you can't lie to yourself or to God. He turns to leave. She throws her mug at the door. You self-righteous little ... she screams - Get out. Get the hell out! JJ is back in Dan's office. Dan - I get it. I get why you didn't like me. You thought I was trying to take your Dad's place with your mom. I would have down the same thing if I were in your shoes. JJ - You are letting me off too easy man. I did all the things that you said that I did and I did them on purpose. I broke the mp3 player that your daughter gave you. I smashed up your car and I even broke your kids train set. And when I wasn't doing all that stuff I was trying to wreck things between you and Mom. I didn't want you to be the good guy. I didn't give you a chance. Sorry about everything. I can't believe that I've put you in this screwed up position. Dan - I don't care about what people think about me. JJ - But you care about what my mom thinks. I know this is killing you Daniel. That's why you're doing this; 'cause my Mom won't be able to handle it if I went ... Dan - I won't be able to handle it. JJ - After everything that I did to you? I tried to ruin your life man. Why are you saving mine? Kristen and Brady are at Jen's. Kristen - Brady is going to suggest to Daniel that he doesn't come tomorrow. Jen - I don't want you to do that. Brady - Kristen wants you there, I want you there unless it's going to be too hard for you. Kristen - I feel awful that I'm experiencing all this happiness and you're suffering like this. Jen - There is an old saying that says you are only as happy as your unhappiest child. My son is trying to turn his life around so I'm going to be fine. I am just thrilled that the two of your are finally going to have the happiness you deserve. Vic looks up from his laptop - Now what? Marlena - I have reason to believe that the man in video with Kristen could be Daniel. Vic - Oh nonsense. Daniel would never get involved with a whack job like that. But then I thought the same thing about Brady. What makes you think it might be Daniel? Marlena - I was in Daniel's office leaving him a note when Kristen burst in. She was looking for Daniel. When I asked why she said they were very close friends. Vic - Oh, she's pushing your buttons. It's total hogwash. Marlena - She's also friends with Jennifer. Vic - I never understood that either. Marlena - Kristen would never hesitate to stab a friend in the back. Vic - Yeah but Daniel would never do that to Brady. Marlena - There's something else. While I was there in Daniel's office, I found the flashdrive. Vic - So he knows about it? Marlena - If rumours are to be believed Daniel's made some very strange choices in his women friends lately. Vic - I still can't believe it didn't work out with Jennifer. Marlena - I know how close you are to Daniel. Maybe if it turns out that Daniel is on that video, maybe we don't want to know about it. Vic - We have to know. We have to do this for Brady. Segment 7: Rafe - I know Kate feels guilty. We were together for a while. Hope - You could have knocked me over with a feather when I heard that one. Rafe - Well she's different without Stefano. Hope - She must be. Rafe - Long story short she broke things off with me not long before I was beaten. She thought Stefano did it and when she confronted him about it he figured out that we were together so he sent Bernardi in here to get even with me. Hope - Can you prove it? Rafe - Probably not now that Bernardi's dead. Hope - So Kate only broke it off with you because she's afraid of Stefano. Rafe - No, there were other reasons. It's all good. We're better off being friends. As soon as I'm out of this damn chair walking she can stop feeling guilty. Hope - So what about her? Jordan? Does she know what she's doing? Rafe - Not long ago I couldn't lift my arms off that bed, now look at me, wheeling around in my own chair. Hope grins - You like her. Rafe - She's been a little closed off but now she's starting to open up. Hope - I bet she is. Kate - I wanted to tell you that you're so generous to spend all this extra time with Rafe. Jordan - Thank you. Kate - But I'm sure you must need some time to yourself. I would be more than happy to take him out on these little excursions. Jordan - I appreciate the offer but legally Rafe has to be accompanied by hospital personnel besides, I don't mind. She leaves. Kate - I'm sure you don't. She gets a call. Okay tell me that you came up with something. I don't understand. So what you're saying is up until that time Jordan Ridgeway didn't exist? Nicole hastens to the door. Did you hear me! Get out! She opens the door and yells again - Get out. Eric - You couldn't stand that I chose the priesthood, could you? You just had to ruin it, you had to ruin me. Nicole screams - I didn't do it. I didn't DO IT! Eric - I trusted you. I loved you, not the way you wanted it. I believed in you. How could you do that to me! He leaves. Nicole cries. Dan - You know you're not out of the woods yet. JJ - Is Nicole going to make trouble? Dan - No she promised me she wouldn't but the wildcard here is Theresa. If she remembers what happened ... JJ - Yeah, God only knows what she'll do. Dan - I will handle it. You do yourself a favour and stay the hell away from her. JJ - I will. Dan - Yes you will and you will keep your distance from me too because as far as the rest of the world knows you hate my guts. And another thing, if I hear about you messing with drugs, you are on your own. JJ - You won't, I promise. He holds out his hand to Dan who shakes it. JJ - Thank you for everything. Jen - Both of my children are here. They're under one roof. They're safe so I can't complain. Kristen - You're right. I just wanted you to have it all. Jen - I can go on without Daniel. I won't like it but I can do it. If my son had gone to prison ... Kristen gets a call. She steps out of the room to take the call. Jen - Look at you, you look so happy. Brady - I do? That might be because I feel like the luckiest guy on the planet. Outside Kristen is on the phone Dr. Chyka. Remember how you said Eric would never remember that night. Guess what, he's remembering. Oh no, they aren't just vague memories. He's remembering that he had sex. The only good thing is he doesn't know it was with me. He thinks it was with his secretary so I need you to tell me how we're going to keep it that way. As much as Vic doesn't want to see Daniel and Kristen together he's sure he wants to see the video. He can't open the file either. Marlena - Now what do we do? Vic - We're not going to give up. We've hit pay dirt here. Marlena - Pay dirt with a moat full of alligators. Vic - If Kristen is being this careful she must be worried that if the wrong people find out what's on this file she's going to be in trouble. Marlena - And by the wrong people, you mean us. Vic - We have to find a way to access this file and then we're going to stop Brady from making the biggest mistake of his life. |
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| Dee-anne | Nov 5 2013, 08:47 AM Post #334 |
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I agree his actions are not unforgiveable but, for me it has killed the build up to that love story I was hoping for Nicole. He was suppose to be different. He was to suppose to care, and not to believe that she was capable of such a hienous crime towards him, and if anyone mentioned that she did, would defend her with his dieing breath. The acting was great, as usual Arianne Zucker made me feel for Nicole, but my feelings from watching those scenes between them, was deep, deep disappointment in Eric & the disappointment came about because I thought he knew her better than that. He claimed to have, but his actions now proves that he doesn't. You would think these writers would not do this to her again. What is up with them having Nicole tell every tom, Dick and Harry that she loves them, and then they end up treating her like crap. Personally, I was not expecting this kind of behaviour towards her from Eric, because, silly me, he is a priest and I thought he cared deeply for her. They could not even have him thinking about her when he was alone, but we were subjected to many scenes with Nicole decalaring her love for him. Yet, they had no problem writing him to speak to her in such a horrible way, or to have him believe that she would do such a horrible thing to him and throwing her past deeds in her face. I did not enjoy watching the scenes. I appreciated the good acting, but I was saddened by what was taking place. I want him to grovel for her forgiveness, but, the love story I was expecting is already spoilt for me. He has said twice now, that he loved her but not in love with her and KC did say that the story between them was not going in the way we expected. So, perhaps we were fooling ourselves that they were writing a love story between the two and Eric was telling the truth when he said he was not in love with her. I believe it now. |
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| Deverauxfan | Nov 5 2013, 08:52 AM Post #335 |
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Bellarke <3
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Regarding JJ's hatred of Daniel: The TPTB know that Fetch is unpopular, so they have characters say similar stuff to what viewers say about Daniel. Posted Image Posted ImagePosted Image Posted ImagePosted Image Doesn't this sound familiar? It truly is pathetic how far they will go for an unsuccessful pairing like Dannifer. Do I think that JJ's hatred of Dan was OTT? Sure, but that is because his anger should have been placed where it belonged - at his stupid mother. Although, I personally loved that JJ hated Daniel and I wish that he'd continue to do so. :D Unfortunately, now JJ "sees the light" and will now think the world of Dr. Dumbass. :rolleyes: :shame: JJ's hatred was used as angst for Fetch. Now it's Theresa's turn. :yawnz: Credit to Everything Salem and Saleminasukkaat for the gifs. |
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| Laufeyson | Nov 5 2013, 09:01 AM Post #336 |
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As someone else said before, yes he's said he doesn't love her romantically now, but that doesn't mean it's out of the realm of possibilities in the future. Things can and will likely change, how it plays out we can't tell. He could decide to go back to the Congo or quit the priesthood, he could get fired or join Brady since Nicole's not going to welcome them back with open arms, or his feelings for her may spring up again and we see him struggling as we saw her. He's loved her very deeply before, and as a priest he has removed himself from those feelings but not for one second do I believe those feelings aren't there and don't run deep. They haven't precisely let us into his head. Most of his scenes were always about other people and very little about him, so who knows at this stage what Eric truly feels other than rage, shame and humiliation?
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| JillianJ | Nov 5 2013, 09:12 AM Post #337 |
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Funny enough I think Eric is the only man who sees Nicole as worth grovelling too, earning her forgiveness and rebuilding their relationship. His assumptions are not far fetched or he should know Nicole would not do that, honestly she is capable of many many horrific things when it is to get what she wants, damn whoever she hurts.....with that being said, I think we are at the beginning of their love story, Eric wasn't there before and it will be interesting to see just what changes take place with him now. |
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| Dee-anne | Nov 5 2013, 09:24 AM Post #338 |
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Anyone decent person who treated her the way Eric did, and found out that they were wrong, should be groveling to her. It doesnt make him special if he does it. And the crime towards him is horrible. Drugging him and then raping him. He has been working alongside Nicole for over a year, and during that year she had done nothing but help him and giving him no cause to believe that she would out of the blue do such a thing. She has never attempted to kiss him. What makes it so bad, is that he refused to listen to a word that she had to say. There was a lot that Nicole said, that made sense, but it fell on deaf ears. It's as if he wanted to believe that of her, and it was pointless her trying to say anything in her defense. I get it. They wanted to give them angst and have them scream at each other, to make their big reveal all that more rivetting, but if they were seriously writing a love story, you mean to tell me they could not find a better way to do it. |
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| LuvingLumi | Nov 5 2013, 09:33 AM Post #339 |
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!
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I think Nicole said something yesterday that made a lot of sense. She said that he wants to believe that she was capable of doing something so vile and disturbing to her because he NEEDS an excuse to remove her from his life now that he knows that she's in love with him. If you take that into context, it makes a lot of sense why he barely has even expressed any doubt that she'd ever do this. I also do think that from the point of the reveal forward we will see Eric struggling with understanding why he became a priest to begin with and this experience has rocked him in a way to finally face that head on. I wonder if Kristen disappearing isn't going to lead to Salemites (and Church officials) believing that Eric had consensual sex with Kristen and while she's missing, Nicole through her reporting job will make it her mission to clear Eric's name....IDK but I get a feeling that the fall out is only the beginning.....Eric's name won't be cleared immediately.... |
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| Keith | Nov 5 2013, 09:33 AM Post #340 |
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I love how JJ apologizes in a logical situation, and everybody loses their mind. So, the love story is clearly Daniel and Nicole. Daniel believes her and Eric doesn't. amirite? Lysie, when you said Nick should be brought in to unencrypt the flashdrive, I nearly cheered. |
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