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Wednesday, November 6th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Nov 6 2013, 02:25 AM (17,521 Views)
tomsawyer
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Nov 6 2013, 06:47 PM
KC said that he would continuesly break her trust. So this is just the start.
Nope, he's been doing it for awhile...

- Didn't tell her about the DE takeover
- Wasn't going to tell her about the Bernardi video (until he had to because Sonny was telling Will)
- Didn't tell her about planting the money in Bernardi's acct
- Didn't tell her about Chad's lie
- Didn't tell her about his deal with Stefano for a few days

He's been keeping shit from her for awhile (cuz she's kinda untrustworthy, LOL), but this is definitely the first thing he hasn't told her that goes against her interest
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

^^Yeah but I think he's about to really go into desperation mode and if she takes him back after throwing him out of her bed in a week....it's because he won't disclose the real truth...I bet he'll continue to play off that he didn't know anything pre wedding....and she'll believe him but something else is bound to make it even worse.....IMHO he's going to do everything in his power to keep her from finding out the truth....he's been betraying her trust for a while now but this isn't going to be the first thing that goes against her interests....you watch.
Edited by LuvingLumi, Nov 6 2013, 07:29 PM.
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JillianJ


I fully expect EJ to deflect her questions until he has no choice but to come out and tell her the truth, it going on for an extended period however, NAH!....Chrisell tweeted about fire EJAMI scenes for beginning of December, I expect that is when it all comes to a head.

EJ lying out of fear and guilt is not going to be his downfall JMO.
Edited by JillianJ, Nov 6 2013, 07:34 PM.
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Nov 6 2013, 06:45 PM
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Nov 6 2013, 06:00 PM
Yoryla
Nov 6 2013, 04:41 PM
tomsawyer
Nov 6 2013, 02:54 PM

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Disagree. Kristen's his sister, his family, an it's always been a DiMera thing and for EJ to have family loyalty. In the end, that's basically what a person has. He would be pretty stupid to throw that all away. Also, just because he's chosen to be with Sami doesn't mean he has to throw everything else away. He still has a right to have siblings and be loyal to them also.

Furthermore, if the shoe was on the other foot, Kristen would SO keep EJ's secret, without question.
Kristen would throw EJ under the bus in a heartbeat to keep Brady. She had no issue doing the same thing to Stefano to keep John. EJ would keep Lexie's secret,i believe, but they actually had a bond that went deeper than having the same last name.

I see someone mentioned that EJ has chosen the Dimeras over Sami before. When?
I think the closest we've actually gotten is when he went back to doing what Stefano wanted him to do in 2008, right after he'd done everything he wanted to do to set himself apart from Stefano (when he told Marlena about John).

Then obviously when he sided with Stefano's plan regarding Rafe2....he could have easily said NO, but he didn't....even if he wasn't 'with' Sami at the time, he really had an obligation to keep his kids away from Arnold...knowing he was a criminal and posing as Sami's husband...but he didn't....not to say that he would have told Sami...but at the very least don't go with Stefano's plot....

Obviously in the beginning also when he was the black glove criminal doing whatever he wanted for Stefano while trying to pass himself off as Sami's friend.

I will admit that this time is the biggest head scratcher moment though, because unlike back then.....he was close to Sami, or had already gotten her in the sack but he wasn't in a committed relationship with her...obviously wasn't her fiancee and didn't have a true vested interest in keeping the relationship. It's also a big WTF because he just said that the lies have lead him to lose Sami in the past, all the talk about trust, etc...and he does exactly what might actually make her lose trust and lose her.....
It's not even possible for EJ to have chosen his loyalty to his family over Sami before because he's never "had" Sami before to choose. The only other time he could legitimately have claimed he was even close to being with Sami was in 2008 when they were living together. And, lo and behold, that's also when he chose his loyalty to her over Stefano by ratting him out re: Jawn. By the time that he went back to Stefano in 2008, Sami had already dumped him and he was with Nicole instead.

All the other times you mentioned are times he wasn't with Sami, so there wasn't a way to choose her since she had already rejected him.
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Nov 6 2013, 07:09 PM
What 2008 story? Stefano woke up from his coma, but EJ hadn't done a single thing to reconnect with him until after Sami left for witness protection and he was with Nicole. It was over for them with him even calling Sami to tell her as much.
He refused to move out of the mansion.
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tomsawyer
Nov 6 2013, 07:34 PM
LuvingLumi
Nov 6 2013, 06:45 PM
six
Nov 6 2013, 06:00 PM
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Nov 6 2013, 04:41 PM

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Kristen would throw EJ under the bus in a heartbeat to keep Brady. She had no issue doing the same thing to Stefano to keep John. EJ would keep Lexie's secret,i believe, but they actually had a bond that went deeper than having the same last name.

I see someone mentioned that EJ has chosen the Dimeras over Sami before. When?
I think the closest we've actually gotten is when he went back to doing what Stefano wanted him to do in 2008, right after he'd done everything he wanted to do to set himself apart from Stefano (when he told Marlena about John).

Then obviously when he sided with Stefano's plan regarding Rafe2....he could have easily said NO, but he didn't....even if he wasn't 'with' Sami at the time, he really had an obligation to keep his kids away from Arnold...knowing he was a criminal and posing as Sami's husband...but he didn't....not to say that he would have told Sami...but at the very least don't go with Stefano's plot....

Obviously in the beginning also when he was the black glove criminal doing whatever he wanted for Stefano while trying to pass himself off as Sami's friend.

I will admit that this time is the biggest head scratcher moment though, because unlike back then.....he was close to Sami, or had already gotten her in the sack but he wasn't in a committed relationship with her...obviously wasn't her fiancee and didn't have a true vested interest in keeping the relationship. It's also a big WTF because he just said that the lies have lead him to lose Sami in the past, all the talk about trust, etc...and he does exactly what might actually make her lose trust and lose her.....
It's not even possible for EJ to have chosen his loyalty to his family over Sami before because he's never "had" Sami before to choose. The only other time he could legitimately have claimed he was even close to being with Sami was in 2008 when they were living together. And, lo and behold, that's also when he chose his loyalty to her over Stefano by ratting him out re: Jawn. By the time that he went back to Stefano in 2008, Sami had already dumped him and he was with Nicole instead.

All the other times you mentioned are times he wasn't with Sami, so there wasn't a way to choose her since she had already rejected him.
Very well put.
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Nov 6 2013, 07:25 PM
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Nov 6 2013, 06:47 PM
KC said that he would continuesly break her trust. So this is just the start.
Nope, he's been doing it for awhile...

- Didn't tell her about the DE takeover
- Wasn't going to tell her about the Bernardi video (until he had to because Sonny was telling Will)
- Didn't tell her about planting the money in Bernardi's acct
- Didn't tell her about Chad's lie
- Didn't tell her about his deal with Stefano for a few days

He's been keeping shit from her for awhile (cuz she's kinda untrustworthy, LOL), but this is definitely the first thing he hasn't told her that goes against her interest
I don't think of the things you listed as breaking her trust. That's just him keeping things from her. I know some don't want KC's comments about Ejami to ever start to happen, but they're going to. Just like his lock, stock and barrel comments came true.
Edited by camera shy, Nov 6 2013, 07:41 PM.
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Nov 6 2013, 06:32 PM
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Nov 6 2013, 06:13 PM
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Nov 6 2013, 05:41 PM
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Nov 6 2013, 05:06 PM

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His lying to Sami about Eric should be what ultimately ends Ejami. If Sami has any loyalty to Eric she needs to do a lot more than just kick EJ out of her bed. Not only does he know that Kristen drugged and raped Eric but that she's planning on drugging him again. And he's keeping it from her. This is Sami's twin brother. To keep that knowledge to himself for any reason is unforgivable. Of course EJ's done plenty of unforgivable things to Sami in the past. But this is not just about Sami. If she has any respect for Eric or herself she would end things with EJ permanently. She keeps saying how he's changed, well this should prove to her that he hasn't and he never will.

And yes I know it's in character for EJ to put his family first, I just think it's about time Sami started doing the same.
There is a lot of things that Sami should not be doing, but yet she is doing it. So, she will get over EJ lying soon enough, and will be back having sex with him in no time. In the meantime she will make the appropriate noise, scream, shout etc. During this time EJ will do his usual to get her to submit to him, and she will. Then it will be back to normal for them until next time. This is just EJami angst. If Sami had any self respect in the first place she would not be with EJ, and she would not be living so willingly in the Dimera Mansion. So I am betting the EJ and Sami wedding is more likely to happen than not. Can't take her seriously, and she should stop criticising people for doing the exact same thing that she herself is doing. Stupid woman.
I agree, this is most likely not what will break them up , but there will be other lies and dangerous situations where Sami will have no choice but to rethink her decision to live the Demira life.
Only if the writers allowed her to have a brain, so she can use it to rethink her decision to live the Dimera way. Otherwise, we get Sami making a lot of empty noise, and then continuing to stay in the situation. Wasn't there a shooting at her engagement party, and didn't her father warn her, like he has done so many times in the past about being with EJ Dimera. It certainly has not made the slightest bit of difference. She is still happily living in the Di-mansion. There will be other lies I am sure, dangerous situations might occur also but, unless these writers want to end them, we will either get her praising EJ, or shouting and screaming at him, until she calms down or he makes her calm down. .

We can no longer tell what Sami will do. I would never dream that she would be that dense to go back with someone who put a stranger in her bed. So, reading that EJ lied to her in spoilers, just makes me think, nothing new there. It never enters my mind that they will end over whatever lie he tells her. EJ has been lying to Sami for years & after all the things he has done to her, she is now regularly having sex with him. There is no longer any logic to this character, so we cant apply any here. If the writers want to end them, they will. If they don't, it would not matter what they have EJ do, she will still be with him and continue happily living in the Di-mansion.
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so what does Sami think Gabi is going to do to Arianna?? I mean, that was a bit much, lol. I could have seen her saying Will, but Ari?
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i'm shocked Nicole hasn't thought Kristen yet.
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Kristen & EJ are pretty freaking awesome today.
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Six I could be getting my timelines confused but if I am not mistaken they went from fighting over Sami not being able to take Johnny from the house because of her jealousy over him sleeping with Nicole, to making up and stairwell where they learnt Stefano was awake, to fighting with Lucas over Allie then Sami learnt she was pregnant and chose to move out with Stefano only playing a minor role in her early decision. John was in fact still in the mansion if I am not mistaken too.
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Nov 6 2013, 07:28 PM
^^Yeah but I think he's about to really go into desperation mode and if she takes him back after throwing him out of her bed in a week....it's because he won't disclose the real truth...I bet he'll continue to play off that he didn't know anything pre wedding....and she'll believe him but something else is bound to make it even worse.....IMHO he's going to do everything in his power to keep her from finding out the truth....he's been betraying her trust for a while now but this isn't going to be the first thing that goes against her interests....you watch.
I guess it's possible. :shrug: I'm not sure how much they can milk it though. I mean he basically finds out a couple hours before Sami does. I would think if they were going to do the whole months-long, near-miss, almost-found-out-the-truth kind of story, EJ's actions would've had to have some sort of big, negative consequences. If he would've found out months ago, I would have agreed with you. But finding out a couple hours before? I'm just not sure that's major enough to warrant a big cover-up. Now, if his lie gets compounded, then yeah, I agree with you. Let's say that he could do something to help Eric prove the truth of what happened and doesn't speak up. In that case, I agree it's probably going to turn into a bigger story because EJ's lie would've led to something bad happening to somebody Sami cares about.

I just don't buy yet that they're planning to take Ejami down the same path they had them on from 2009 to 2011. It's possible, but I'm not buying that it's likely until something more definitive happens than what we saw today.
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i think Daniel and Theresa share an apartment. Also they share it with Martha.
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Nov 6 2013, 07:38 PM
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Nov 6 2013, 07:25 PM
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Nov 6 2013, 06:47 PM
KC said that he would continuesly break her trust. So this is just the start.
Nope, he's been doing it for awhile...

- Didn't tell her about the DE takeover
- Wasn't going to tell her about the Bernardi video (until he had to because Sonny was telling Will)
- Didn't tell her about planting the money in Bernardi's acct
- Didn't tell her about Chad's lie
- Didn't tell her about his deal with Stefano for a few days

He's been keeping shit from her for awhile (cuz she's kinda untrustworthy, LOL), but this is definitely the first thing he hasn't told her that goes against her interest
I don't think of the things you listed as breaking her trust. That's just him keeping things from her. I know some don't want KC's comments about Ejami to ever start to happen, but they're going to. Just like his lock, stock and barrel comments came true.
Huh? That was my point. They are happening. They've been happening for awhile. Pretty much from around the time the KC gave his interview. Obviously this lie is way worse than the others, but nobody has any idea if this lie is the culmination of EJ's lies or the beginning of a big downward slide for him.
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Kristen sure looked like she was going to stab EJ to death with her high heels if EJ had said he was gonna tell Sami.
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:laugh: okay i know Nicole is freaking out but she just went a little bat-shit crazy on Marlena there.
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Nov 6 2013, 07:45 PM
Six I could be getting my timelines confused but if I am not mistaken they went from fighting over Sami not being able to take Johnny from the house because of her jealousy over him sleeping with Nicole, to making up and stairwell where they learnt Stefano was awake, to fighting with Lucas over Allie then Sami learnt she was pregnant and chose to move out with Stefano only playing a minor role in her early decision. John was in fact still in the mansion if I am not mistaken too.
Your time line is right AFAICT, but IIRC around the time Sami found out she was pregnant and Stefano moved back into the mansion and started spending a lot of time with Johnny, Sami asked EJ to move out and he refused and that played into Sami's decision not to tell EJ she was pregnant.
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Nov 6 2013, 07:38 PM
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Nov 6 2013, 06:47 PM
KC said that he would continuesly break her trust. So this is just the start.
Nope, he's been doing it for awhile...

- Didn't tell her about the DE takeover
- Wasn't going to tell her about the Bernardi video (until he had to because Sonny was telling Will)
- Didn't tell her about planting the money in Bernardi's acct
- Didn't tell her about Chad's lie
- Didn't tell her about his deal with Stefano for a few days

He's been keeping shit from her for awhile (cuz she's kinda untrustworthy, LOL), but this is definitely the first thing he hasn't told her that goes against her interest
I don't think of the things you listed as breaking her trust. That's just him keeping things from her. I know some don't want KC's comments about Ejami to ever start to happen, but they're going to. Just like his lock, stock and barrel comments came true.
Wasn't her point that we have been seeing lies and break in trust all along, with this one being worse? As for some not wanting it to happen, not going to speak for anyone outside of myself, but given that nowhere was the end of EJAMI pronounced outside of those who want KC's words to mean that, bring on the angst. I am personally looking forward to EJ's fear of Sami leaving him because of this lie not being realised.
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so....Kristen's bringing that gun for EJ, right? B/c he's the only one who knows about her secret (so she thinks).

Awesome ending. But wow she is way down the tracks on the crazy train.
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