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Wednesday, November 6th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Nov 6 2013, 02:25 AM (17,520 Views)
JillianJ


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Nov 6 2013, 08:01 PM
JillianJ
Nov 6 2013, 07:45 PM
Six I could be getting my timelines confused but if I am not mistaken they went from fighting over Sami not being able to take Johnny from the house because of her jealousy over him sleeping with Nicole, to making up and stairwell where they learnt Stefano was awake, to fighting with Lucas over Allie then Sami learnt she was pregnant and chose to move out with Stefano only playing a minor role in her early decision. John was in fact still in the mansion if I am not mistaken too.
Your time line is right AFAICT, but IIRC around the time Sami found out she was pregnant and Stefano moved back into the mansion and started spending a lot of time with Johnny, Sami asked EJ to move out and he refused and that played into Sami's decision not to tell EJ she was pregnant.
You are probably right, I don't remember that one, the only discussion I remember them having about Stefano was over the phone when Sami found Stefano and Johnny in the cemetary when EJ could not get anyone else to watch him and Sami was supposed to meet up with him to talk more but instead she learnt Nicole was pregnant and it all went downhill lol
Edited by JillianJ, Nov 6 2013, 08:09 PM.
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Nov 6 2013, 07:49 PM
LuvingLumi
Nov 6 2013, 07:28 PM
^^Yeah but I think he's about to really go into desperation mode and if she takes him back after throwing him out of her bed in a week....it's because he won't disclose the real truth...I bet he'll continue to play off that he didn't know anything pre wedding....and she'll believe him but something else is bound to make it even worse.....IMHO he's going to do everything in his power to keep her from finding out the truth....he's been betraying her trust for a while now but this isn't going to be the first thing that goes against her interests....you watch.
I guess it's possible. :shrug: I'm not sure how much they can milk it though. I mean he basically finds out a couple hours before Sami does. I would think if they were going to do the whole months-long, near-miss, almost-found-out-the-truth kind of story, EJ's actions would've had to have some sort of big, negative consequences. If he would've found out months ago, I would have agreed with you. But finding out a couple hours before? I'm just not sure that's major enough to warrant a big cover-up. Now, if his lie gets compounded, then yeah, I agree with you. Let's say that he could do something to help Eric prove the truth of what happened and doesn't speak up. In that case, I agree it's probably going to turn into a bigger story because EJ's lie would've led to something bad happening to somebody Sami cares about.

I just don't buy yet that they're planning to take Ejami down the same path they had them on from 2009 to 2011. It's possible, but I'm not buying that it's likely until something more definitive happens than what we saw today.
IDK what path EJami will take.

BUT to your point, right now there is the possibility of 'big, negative consequences' depending on EJ's actions. EJ knows that Kristen plans to drug Eric again before the wedding. Eric had serious, unexpected physical reactions to the mad potioner's last concoction. If EJ does not intervene to stop the next drugging and anything at all happens to Eric as a result, I'd say EJ would have to be in major cover-up mode.
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JillianJ


Based on spoilers and the wedding imploding tomorrow, I would go out on a limb and say that there is no other drugging of Eric for EJ to stop.
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KAM
Nov 6 2013, 08:42 PM
tomsawyer
Nov 6 2013, 07:49 PM
LuvingLumi
Nov 6 2013, 07:28 PM
^^Yeah but I think he's about to really go into desperation mode and if she takes him back after throwing him out of her bed in a week....it's because he won't disclose the real truth...I bet he'll continue to play off that he didn't know anything pre wedding....and she'll believe him but something else is bound to make it even worse.....IMHO he's going to do everything in his power to keep her from finding out the truth....he's been betraying her trust for a while now but this isn't going to be the first thing that goes against her interests....you watch.
I guess it's possible. :shrug: I'm not sure how much they can milk it though. I mean he basically finds out a couple hours before Sami does. I would think if they were going to do the whole months-long, near-miss, almost-found-out-the-truth kind of story, EJ's actions would've had to have some sort of big, negative consequences. If he would've found out months ago, I would have agreed with you. But finding out a couple hours before? I'm just not sure that's major enough to warrant a big cover-up. Now, if his lie gets compounded, then yeah, I agree with you. Let's say that he could do something to help Eric prove the truth of what happened and doesn't speak up. In that case, I agree it's probably going to turn into a bigger story because EJ's lie would've led to something bad happening to somebody Sami cares about.

I just don't buy yet that they're planning to take Ejami down the same path they had them on from 2009 to 2011. It's possible, but I'm not buying that it's likely until something more definitive happens than what we saw today.
IDK what path EJami will take.

BUT to your point, right now there is the possibility of 'big, negative consequences' depending on EJ's actions. EJ knows that Kristen plans to drug Eric again before the wedding. Eric had serious, unexpected physical reactions to the mad potioner's last concoction. If EJ does not intervene to stop the next drugging and anything at all happens to Eric as a result, I'd say EJ would have to be in major cover-up mode.
Right. Like I said, if EJ's lie gets compounded by something worse happening to Eric because he didn't speak up, then yeah, it's a bigger deal. We just simply don't know yet.
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I cannot believe any Dr. Would be as dirty as Danial It is hard to look at him ,please have him bath,shave and brush his hair. Don't you pay these actors enough to afford soap and shampoo.
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JillianJ
Nov 6 2013, 06:30 PM
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Nov 6 2013, 06:21 PM
JillianJ
Nov 6 2013, 03:58 PM
Vicky4Mimi
Nov 6 2013, 03:28 PM

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'I don't give a damn about Nicole' = concern

:lol: he certainly has an odd way of showing it :blulaugh:


Those ED and JS scenes were really great, EJ was near ready to pop a vein and while him keeping it a secret is not his normal reaction, I will bite because of the angst it can bring for EJAMI :popcorn:
no, you were quoting EJ's reaction to Kristen asking when did he start caring about Nicole. He protested too much there. His first reaction to hearing Nicole was being set up to take the fall for Kristen was what I was talking about--and yes he did take a moment to defend his ex.

It was a brief, cute, little semi EJOLE moment..and I will take it.

Yeah, that was even less, he doesn't care :lol: notice even when her name came up again, it wasn't about 'poor Nicole taking the blame' but I know what it is like to need to cling to things, so to each their own I suppose.
I don't think anyone is clinging to anything. :shrug: I personally thought James played that scene as caring about Nicole even though he wouldn't come out and admit it. But that's just my opinion.
Edited by Not Amused, Nov 6 2013, 09:16 PM.
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

I frankly don't think Ej cares about any woman. History proves it.
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Nov 6 2013, 09:13 PM
JillianJ
Nov 6 2013, 06:30 PM
Vicky4Mimi
Nov 6 2013, 06:21 PM
JillianJ
Nov 6 2013, 03:58 PM

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no, you were quoting EJ's reaction to Kristen asking when did he start caring about Nicole. He protested too much there. His first reaction to hearing Nicole was being set up to take the fall for Kristen was what I was talking about--and yes he did take a moment to defend his ex.

It was a brief, cute, little semi EJOLE moment..and I will take it.

Yeah, that was even less, he doesn't care :lol: notice even when her name came up again, it wasn't about 'poor Nicole taking the blame' but I know what it is like to need to cling to things, so to each their own I suppose.
I don't think anyone is clinging to anything. :shrug: I personally thought James played that scene as caring about Nicole even though he wouldn't come out and admit it. But that's just my opinion.
Exactly! I watched that little part between K and EJ again to just to refresh my memory on it---when Kristen mentioned that Nicole loved Eric, EJ looked very bothered by the thought. I agree that JS played the scene as caring about Nicole!
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JillianJ
Nov 6 2013, 06:20 PM
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Nov 6 2013, 06:09 PM
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Nov 6 2013, 05:41 PM
Rosebud
Nov 6 2013, 05:06 PM

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His lying to Sami about Eric should be what ultimately ends Ejami. If Sami has any loyalty to Eric she needs to do a lot more than just kick EJ out of her bed. Not only does he know that Kristen drugged and raped Eric but that she's planning on drugging him again. And he's keeping it from her. This is Sami's twin brother. To keep that knowledge to himself for any reason is unforgivable. Of course EJ's done plenty of unforgivable things to Sami in the past. But this is not just about Sami. If she has any respect for Eric or herself she would end things with EJ permanently. She keeps saying how he's changed, well this should prove to her that he hasn't and he never will.

And yes I know it's in character for EJ to put his family first, I just think it's about time Sami started doing the same.
If Sami had ever put her family first, she wouldn't be with Elvis Demira or living in the Dimansion. I hope she gets to eat her words that EJ is a changed man when she finds out about his lie. I always said Sami would never accept the Demira ways, her family is their number one enemy.
Two things, when has EJ ever put the Dimeras over Sami? and EJ lying does not take away from him being a changed man. His disgust and upset with Kristen alone shows that IMO and throw in Kristen's little veiled threat of she is not going to stand by and allow him to ruin her wedding, its not a simple matter of choosing Kristen over anyone but more so leaving well enough alone and hoping it remains buried.
While I agree he is of weak character and would rather just let it all go instead of stepping in, it almost shows that he's simply afraid of Kristen (and Stefano) and his fear of them wins over his strength if character and moral turpitude.
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I didn't get that EJ particularly cared about Nicole taking the blame. He commented on it, but he didn't seem concerned about that. His concern was that Nicole would not stop trying to prove her innocence because of how she feels about Eric.
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LuvingLumi
Nov 6 2013, 09:32 PM
I frankly don't think Ej cares about any woman. History proves it.
well there is that!

I just think that if EJ was to be shown as truly loving anyone, it was Nicole. That's how I see it.
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JillianJ


^^Not even Nicole bought that, she knew better.

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While I agree he is of weak character and would rather just let it all go instead of stepping in, it almost shows that he's simply afraid of Kristen (and Stefano) and his fear of them wins over his strength if character and moral turpitude.


EJ did not cave to Stefano out of fear, it was his last resort to save the woman that he loves; if it were just himself, I do not think Stefano would have gotten the upper hand the way he did, at least not without some sort of fight.
Edited by JillianJ, Nov 6 2013, 09:40 PM.
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Nov 6 2013, 09:34 PM
I didn't get that EJ particularly cared about Nicole taking the blame. He commented on it, but he didn't seem concerned about that. His concern was that Nicole would not stop trying to prove her innocence because of how she feels about Eric.
Yeah, that is what I saw too, he doesn't care what happens to her, its all about this blowing up in their face, even asking how was she going to keep Nicole as the one being blamed.
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tomsawyer
Nov 6 2013, 07:49 PM
LuvingLumi
Nov 6 2013, 07:28 PM
^^Yeah but I think he's about to really go into desperation mode and if she takes him back after throwing him out of her bed in a week....it's because he won't disclose the real truth...I bet he'll continue to play off that he didn't know anything pre wedding....and she'll believe him but something else is bound to make it even worse.....IMHO he's going to do everything in his power to keep her from finding out the truth....he's been betraying her trust for a while now but this isn't going to be the first thing that goes against her interests....you watch.
I guess it's possible. :shrug: I'm not sure how much they can milk it though. I mean he basically finds out a couple hours before Sami does. I would think if they were going to do the whole months-long, near-miss, almost-found-out-the-truth kind of story, EJ's actions would've had to have some sort of big, negative consequences. If he would've found out months ago, I would have agreed with you. But finding out a couple hours before? I'm just not sure that's major enough to warrant a big cover-up. Now, if his lie gets compounded, then yeah, I agree with you. Let's say that he could do something to help Eric prove the truth of what happened and doesn't speak up. In that case, I agree it's probably going to turn into a bigger story because EJ's lie would've led to something bad happening to somebody Sami cares about.

I just don't buy yet that they're planning to take Ejami down the same path they had them on from 2009 to 2011. It's possible, but I'm not buying that it's likely until something more definitive happens than what we saw today.
Yeah, I think he's going to get busted pretty soon.
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tomsawyer
Nov 6 2013, 07:55 PM
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Nov 6 2013, 07:38 PM
tomsawyer
Nov 6 2013, 07:25 PM
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Nov 6 2013, 06:47 PM
KC said that he would continuesly break her trust. So this is just the start.
Nope, he's been doing it for awhile...

- Didn't tell her about the DE takeover
- Wasn't going to tell her about the Bernardi video (until he had to because Sonny was telling Will)
- Didn't tell her about planting the money in Bernardi's acct
- Didn't tell her about Chad's lie
- Didn't tell her about his deal with Stefano for a few days

He's been keeping shit from her for awhile (cuz she's kinda untrustworthy, LOL), but this is definitely the first thing he hasn't told her that goes against her interest
I don't think of the things you listed as breaking her trust. That's just him keeping things from her. I know some don't want KC's comments about Ejami to ever start to happen, but they're going to. Just like his lock, stock and barrel comments came true.
Huh? That was my point. They are happening. They've been happening for awhile. Pretty much from around the time the KC gave his interview. Obviously this lie is way worse than the others, but nobody has any idea if this lie is the culmination of EJ's lies or the beginning of a big downward slide for him.
Your right, Tom. That interview from KC was previewing fall. What he said has been playing up until now.

We should get new jewels from KC on Feb sweeps before long.
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LuvingLumi
Nov 6 2013, 09:32 PM
I frankly don't think Ej cares about any woman. History proves it.
I think that's the case with most of the characters on this show. Days has a habit of completely rewriting history to sell the current pairings on screen which is part of the reason I don't invest anymore. If I get an Ejole crumb though I'll take it. :wub:
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Nov 6 2013, 06:45 PM
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Nov 6 2013, 06:00 PM
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Nov 6 2013, 04:41 PM
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Nov 6 2013, 02:54 PM

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Disagree. Kristen's his sister, his family, an it's always been a DiMera thing and for EJ to have family loyalty. In the end, that's basically what a person has. He would be pretty stupid to throw that all away. Also, just because he's chosen to be with Sami doesn't mean he has to throw everything else away. He still has a right to have siblings and be loyal to them also.

Furthermore, if the shoe was on the other foot, Kristen would SO keep EJ's secret, without question.
Kristen would throw EJ under the bus in a heartbeat to keep Brady. She had no issue doing the same thing to Stefano to keep John. EJ would keep Lexie's secret,i believe, but they actually had a bond that went deeper than having the same last name.

I see someone mentioned that EJ has chosen the Dimeras over Sami before. When?
I think the closest we've actually gotten is when he went back to doing what Stefano wanted him to do in 2008, right after he'd done everything he wanted to do to set himself apart from Stefano (when he told Marlena about John).

Then obviously when he sided with Stefano's plan regarding Rafe2....he could have easily said NO, but he didn't....even if he wasn't 'with' Sami at the time, he really had an obligation to keep his kids away from Arnold...knowing he was a criminal and posing as Sami's husband...but he didn't....not to say that he would have told Sami...but at the very least don't go with Stefano's plot....

Obviously in the beginning also when he was the black glove criminal doing whatever he wanted for Stefano while trying to pass himself off as Sami's friend.

I will admit that this time is the biggest head scratcher moment though, because unlike back then.....he was close to Sami, or had already gotten her in the sack but he wasn't in a committed relationship with her...obviously wasn't her fiancee and didn't have a true vested interest in keeping the relationship. It's also a big WTF because he just said that the lies have lead him to lose Sami in the past, all the talk about trust, etc...and he does exactly what might actually make her lose trust and lose her.....
It simply proves he's a weak little man.
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Nov 6 2013, 06:46 PM
Man, if I had a dollar for ever Salemite Nicole has thrown out of Daniel's apartment this week...

(Nic's "Get out!" reminds me of the old Donnatella Versace skits on SNL.)
Nicole the Bouncer has been my favorite thing this week. Victor's snark is a VERY close second.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually like Daniel and Nicole's scenes together. I don't mind Daniel at all when he is a) not around a chemistry-sucking pairing like Dannifer, and b) not saving the world. I will ditch my fledgling tolerance for this friendship if/when he becomes Nicole's savior, but right now, I like she has someone on her side.
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JillianJ
Nov 6 2013, 07:00 PM
There are spoilers of Sami already being suspicious of EJ by end of next week, I think this lie will be out in the next few weeks as opposed to drawn out over a few months. Sami being clueless and EJ pulling stunts to cover tracks and just making it worse is not how this is going to unfold IMO

EJ was so torn up over what he did, Kristen's veiled threats to him as well, and the guilt he will no doubt be feeling all shaping up to be some good EJAMI angst :popcorn:
I kind of resent that Elvis and Sami are being pulled into this story at the end. Granted, Sami should have some strong reaction scenes, etc, but why did they have to make them have a whole dilemma about it themselves? I sure hope they don't take precious time away from the real players in this story!
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