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Wednesday, November 6th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Nov 6 2013, 02:25 AM (17,519 Views)
JamaicanBeauty7
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LuvingLumi
Nov 6 2013, 09:32 PM
I frankly don't think Ej cares about any woman. History proves it.
I don't know about that. Most recently, EJ went on his hands and knees begging Stefano to save Sami. He gave everything and his soul to Steffie to free her from life in prison. That looks like he cares about Sami to me.

This also happened around August, which would constitute the past, or "history."
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JillianJ
Nov 6 2013, 09:39 PM
^^Not even Nicole bought that, she knew better.

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While I agree he is of weak character and would rather just let it all go instead of stepping in, it almost shows that he's simply afraid of Kristen (and Stefano) and his fear of them wins over his strength if character and moral turpitude.


EJ did not cave to Stefano out of fear, it was his last resort to save the woman that he loves; if it were just himself, I do not think Stefano would have gotten the upper hand the way he did, at least not without some sort of fight.
If he's not afraid of Stefano why didn't he simply go to the police and tell them that it was Stefano who set forth the whole Bernardi thing, instead of kissing his ring and agreeing to live at the DiMansion?

I don't know, he just seems like a real weasel to me. A scared weasel.
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tomsawyer
Nov 6 2013, 09:01 PM
KAM
Nov 6 2013, 08:42 PM
tomsawyer
Nov 6 2013, 07:49 PM
LuvingLumi
Nov 6 2013, 07:28 PM
^^Yeah but I think he's about to really go into desperation mode and if she takes him back after throwing him out of her bed in a week....it's because he won't disclose the real truth...I bet he'll continue to play off that he didn't know anything pre wedding....and she'll believe him but something else is bound to make it even worse.....IMHO he's going to do everything in his power to keep her from finding out the truth....he's been betraying her trust for a while now but this isn't going to be the first thing that goes against her interests....you watch.
I guess it's possible. :shrug: I'm not sure how much they can milk it though. I mean he basically finds out a couple hours before Sami does. I would think if they were going to do the whole months-long, near-miss, almost-found-out-the-truth kind of story, EJ's actions would've had to have some sort of big, negative consequences. If he would've found out months ago, I would have agreed with you. But finding out a couple hours before? I'm just not sure that's major enough to warrant a big cover-up. Now, if his lie gets compounded, then yeah, I agree with you. Let's say that he could do something to help Eric prove the truth of what happened and doesn't speak up. In that case, I agree it's probably going to turn into a bigger story because EJ's lie would've led to something bad happening to somebody Sami cares about.

I just don't buy yet that they're planning to take Ejami down the same path they had them on from 2009 to 2011. It's possible, but I'm not buying that it's likely until something more definitive happens than what we saw today.
IDK what path EJami will take.

BUT to your point, right now there is the possibility of 'big, negative consequences' depending on EJ's actions. EJ knows that Kristen plans to drug Eric again before the wedding. Eric had serious, unexpected physical reactions to the mad potioner's last concoction. If EJ does not intervene to stop the next drugging and anything at all happens to Eric as a result, I'd say EJ would have to be in major cover-up mode.
Right. Like I said, if EJ's lie gets compounded by something worse happening to Eric because he didn't speak up, then yeah, it's a bigger deal. We just simply don't know yet.
Yes, I read your entire post...and I wasn't disagreeing with you. :D I was just giving a specific example of an imminent possibility of a bigger deal. Of course we, don't know yet. I'm just hoping there's a decent reason to bring up a second 'potion' when the story is developing so well as is. My first reaction was OMG No. Not another damn 'potion.'
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Rosebud
Nov 6 2013, 11:07 PM
JillianJ
Nov 6 2013, 09:39 PM
^^Not even Nicole bought that, she knew better.

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While I agree he is of weak character and would rather just let it all go instead of stepping in, it almost shows that he's simply afraid of Kristen (and Stefano) and his fear of them wins over his strength if character and moral turpitude.


EJ did not cave to Stefano out of fear, it was his last resort to save the woman that he loves; if it were just himself, I do not think Stefano would have gotten the upper hand the way he did, at least not without some sort of fight.
If he's not afraid of Stefano why didn't he simply go to the police and tell them that it was Stefano who set forth the whole Bernardi thing, instead of kissing his ring and agreeing to live at the DiMansion?

I don't know, he just seems like a real weasel to me. A scared weasel.
That would not have helped Sami since they had no proof of Stefano doing anything with regard to Bernardi, his actions were last resort, only option left, nothing to do with fear of Stefano, especially not fear for himself.
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OMG -- Could JS' acting be any worse today? EJ was over the top -- can JS spell "subtle" let alone act that way? He was just awful today!
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I thought both ED and JS were over the top today. But it was fitting for this particular scene.
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MissLola
Nov 6 2013, 11:25 PM
I thought both ED and JS were over the top today. But it was fitting for this particular scene.
Yeah, that was me.

It was OTT but it fit the situation.

I thought the show was really good today.

Hate I wasn't around for the live posting.
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JillianJ
Nov 6 2013, 11:14 PM
Rosebud
Nov 6 2013, 11:07 PM
JillianJ
Nov 6 2013, 09:39 PM
^^Not even Nicole bought that, she knew better.

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While I agree he is of weak character and would rather just let it all go instead of stepping in, it almost shows that he's simply afraid of Kristen (and Stefano) and his fear of them wins over his strength if character and moral turpitude.


EJ did not cave to Stefano out of fear, it was his last resort to save the woman that he loves; if it were just himself, I do not think Stefano would have gotten the upper hand the way he did, at least not without some sort of fight.
If he's not afraid of Stefano why didn't he simply go to the police and tell them that it was Stefano who set forth the whole Bernardi thing, instead of kissing his ring and agreeing to live at the DiMansion?

I don't know, he just seems like a real weasel to me. A scared weasel.
That would not have helped Sami since they had no proof of Stefano doing anything with regard to Bernardi, his actions were last resort, only option left, nothing to do with fear of Stefano, especially not fear for himself.
Elvis could have gone to the police and worked under cover to get evidence against Stefano. There I would have been a way. The only reason I can think that he didn't do that was fear. :shrug:
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Nov 6 2013, 11:08 PM
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Nov 6 2013, 09:01 PM
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Nov 6 2013, 08:42 PM
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Nov 6 2013, 07:49 PM

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IDK what path EJami will take.

BUT to your point, right now there is the possibility of 'big, negative consequences' depending on EJ's actions. EJ knows that Kristen plans to drug Eric again before the wedding. Eric had serious, unexpected physical reactions to the mad potioner's last concoction. If EJ does not intervene to stop the next drugging and anything at all happens to Eric as a result, I'd say EJ would have to be in major cover-up mode.
Right. Like I said, if EJ's lie gets compounded by something worse happening to Eric because he didn't speak up, then yeah, it's a bigger deal. We just simply don't know yet.
Yes, I read your entire post...and I wasn't disagreeing with you. :D I was just giving a specific example of an imminent possibility of a bigger deal. Of course we, don't know yet. I'm just hoping there's a decent reason to bring up a second 'potion' when the story is developing so well as is. My first reaction was OMG No. Not another damn 'potion.'
LOL, sorry. I thought you were disagreeing. Carry on!!
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Brenda Collins
Nov 6 2013, 09:02 PM
I cannot believe any Dr. Would be as dirty as Danial It is hard to look at him ,please have him bath,shave and brush his hair. Don't you pay these actors enough to afford soap and shampoo.
I guess the actors have to look the way tptb want them to look for the show, but why they want Daniel the look the way he does is a mystery.
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Vicky4Mimi
Nov 6 2013, 09:32 PM
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Nov 6 2013, 09:13 PM
JillianJ
Nov 6 2013, 06:30 PM
Vicky4Mimi
Nov 6 2013, 06:21 PM

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Yeah, that was even less, he doesn't care :lol: notice even when her name came up again, it wasn't about 'poor Nicole taking the blame' but I know what it is like to need to cling to things, so to each their own I suppose.
I don't think anyone is clinging to anything. :shrug: I personally thought James played that scene as caring about Nicole even though he wouldn't come out and admit it. But that's just my opinion.
Exactly! I watched that little part between K and EJ again to just to refresh my memory on it---when Kristen mentioned that Nicole loved Eric, EJ looked very bothered by the thought. I agree that JS played the scene as caring about Nicole!
He sure wasn't thrilled that Nicole's name was mixed up in all of it.
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Nov 6 2013, 09:32 PM
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Nov 6 2013, 09:13 PM
JillianJ
Nov 6 2013, 06:30 PM

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I don't think anyone is clinging to anything. :shrug: I personally thought James played that scene as caring about Nicole even though he wouldn't come out and admit it. But that's just my opinion.
Exactly! I watched that little part between K and EJ again to just to refresh my memory on it---when Kristen mentioned that Nicole loved Eric, EJ looked very bothered by the thought. I agree that JS played the scene as caring about Nicole!
He sure wasn't thrilled that Nicole's name was mixed up in all of it.
I don't know, that very loud and passionate "I don't care about Nicole" was pretty convincing. EJ and Nicole haven't cared for each other for a while now. Strangely, watching that scene the person EJ seemed most bothered about was Eric. How he thought all this would affect Sami didn't even seem to come across that strongly.
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Nov 6 2013, 11:38 PM
JillianJ
Nov 6 2013, 11:14 PM
Rosebud
Nov 6 2013, 11:07 PM
JillianJ
Nov 6 2013, 09:39 PM
^^Not even Nicole bought that, she knew better.


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If he's not afraid of Stefano why didn't he simply go to the police and tell them that it was Stefano who set forth the whole Bernardi thing, instead of kissing his ring and agreeing to live at the DiMansion?

I don't know, he just seems like a real weasel to me. A scared weasel.
That would not have helped Sami since they had no proof of Stefano doing anything with regard to Bernardi, his actions were last resort, only option left, nothing to do with fear of Stefano, especially not fear for himself.
Elvis could have gone to the police and worked under cover to get evidence against Stefano. There I would have been a way. The only reason I can think that he didn't do that was fear. :shrug:
EJ's fear of his father is legitimate. I'm actually yet to see any one of Stefano's children not display a degree of fear of him. The man has a very dictatorial approach in his interactions with them.
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JaimeLannister
Nov 7 2013, 04:20 AM
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Nov 6 2013, 09:32 PM
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Nov 6 2013, 09:13 PM

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Exactly! I watched that little part between K and EJ again to just to refresh my memory on it---when Kristen mentioned that Nicole loved Eric, EJ looked very bothered by the thought. I agree that JS played the scene as caring about Nicole!
He sure wasn't thrilled that Nicole's name was mixed up in all of it.
I don't know, that very loud and passionate "I don't care about Nicole" was pretty convincing. EJ and Nicole haven't cared for each other for a while now. Strangely, watching that scene the person EJ seemed most bothered about was Eric. How he thought all this would affect Sami didn't even seem to come across that strongly.
And what prompted the "Now you care about Nicole?" remark from Kristen? It was the throat cut gesture and the 'Bad luck for Nicole?" remark from EJ that preceded it. And I'm sure we can find plenty of scenes with EJ yelling about not caring about Sami.
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JillianJ
Nov 6 2013, 08:03 PM
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tomsawyer
Nov 6 2013, 07:25 PM
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Nov 6 2013, 06:47 PM
KC said that he would continuesly break her trust. So this is just the start.
Nope, he's been doing it for awhile...

- Didn't tell her about the DE takeover
- Wasn't going to tell her about the Bernardi video (until he had to because Sonny was telling Will)
- Didn't tell her about planting the money in Bernardi's acct
- Didn't tell her about Chad's lie
- Didn't tell her about his deal with Stefano for a few days

He's been keeping shit from her for awhile (cuz she's kinda untrustworthy, LOL), but this is definitely the first thing he hasn't told her that goes against her interest
I don't think of the things you listed as breaking her trust. That's just him keeping things from her. I know some don't want KC's comments about Ejami to ever start to happen, but they're going to. Just like his lock, stock and barrel comments came true.
Wasn't her point that we have been seeing lies and break in trust all along, with this one being worse? As for some not wanting it to happen, not going to speak for anyone outside of myself, but given that nowhere was the end of EJAMI pronounced outside of those who want KC's words to mean that, bring on the angst. I am personally looking forward to EJ's fear of Sami leaving him because of this lie not being realised.

JS said in an interview recently that the road to the altar is gonna be fantastic, I donīt see how it can be fantastic unless the payoff is a wedding where Ejami do get married.

As for EJ caring about Nicole I think he does a little bit but itīs Sami he is inlove with and wants to spend the rest of his life with. If he really loved Nicole he wouldnīt let her take the blame for this.
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Nov 7 2013, 04:20 AM
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Nov 6 2013, 09:32 PM

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He sure wasn't thrilled that Nicole's name was mixed up in all of it.
I don't know, that very loud and passionate "I don't care about Nicole" was pretty convincing. EJ and Nicole haven't cared for each other for a while now. Strangely, watching that scene the person EJ seemed most bothered about was Eric. How he thought all this would affect Sami didn't even seem to come across that strongly.
And what prompted the "Now you care about Nicole?" remark from Kristen? It was the throat cut gesture and the 'Bad luck for Nicole?" remark from EJ that preceded it. And I'm sure we can find plenty of scenes with EJ yelling about not caring about Sami.
The "bad luck comment" and cut throat gesture was to show that Nicole wouldn't back down in clearing her name. That was his point. If his big problem with what happened was about Nicole he would've blasted Kristen for framing her. Instead he seemed more upset about what she did to Eric.
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

S loves EJ
Nov 7 2013, 05:54 AM
JillianJ
Nov 6 2013, 08:03 PM
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Nov 6 2013, 07:25 PM

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I don't think of the things you listed as breaking her trust. That's just him keeping things from her. I know some don't want KC's comments about Ejami to ever start to happen, but they're going to. Just like his lock, stock and barrel comments came true.
Wasn't her point that we have been seeing lies and break in trust all along, with this one being worse? As for some not wanting it to happen, not going to speak for anyone outside of myself, but given that nowhere was the end of EJAMI pronounced outside of those who want KC's words to mean that, bring on the angst. I am personally looking forward to EJ's fear of Sami leaving him because of this lie not being realised.

JS said in an interview recently that the road to the altar is gonna be fantastic, I donīt see how it can be fantastic unless the payoff is a wedding where Ejami do get married.

As for EJ caring about Nicole I think he does a little bit but itīs Sami he is inlove with and wants to spend the rest of his life with. If he really loved Nicole he wouldnīt let her take the blame for this.
We'll, if JS' use of the word fantastic is similar to his use of the word brilliant then I'd say there likely isn't a wedding.
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

JamaicanBeauty7
Nov 6 2013, 11:07 PM
LuvingLumi
Nov 6 2013, 09:32 PM
I frankly don't think Ej cares about any woman. History proves it.
I don't know about that. Most recently, EJ went on his hands and knees begging Stefano to save Sami. He gave everything and his soul to Steffie to free her from life in prison. That looks like he cares about Sami to me.

This also happened around August, which would constitute the past, or "history."
And somehow now he's going to keep a secret that will hurt her, and her twin. If he cared at all about Sami he'd tell her. Ej's actions with all his women prove that in the end he'll do whatever benefits him. I can even argue that he took the deal with Stefano because that action would also benefit him too... Not to say it didn't primarily benefit Sami but an argument could be made that if he would have been on the outs with Sami would he have taken the deal with Stef that set her free? The deal benefitted him too.
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Ya know, this opinion about EJ and his feelings is just dependent on one's fandom or lack of it. Personally, I think the drama was over the top, (EJ and Kristen) but wild in a cool way. I don't want to debate who EJ might have feelings for, because right now, yeah, it's Sami, but if there is a different writer, things might change. I remember the time he was crazy sniffing the scarf of the T girl. To everything, there is a season. But, yeah (even as a non-EJami fan), I think he's got it bad for Sami. Why, I don't know. But I also think he's got a twinge of snarky feeling for Nicole that he tries to hide with sarcasm and a hair of meanness, sort of like a teenage boy. No problem with that! In real life, I would expect more than one man to continue to have some sort of residual fondness for an ex. Yeah, some have extreme hatred, some have no feeling whatsoever, but some have some residual feeling. It might actually make EJ human and add a little more angst to the story. Why does it have to be one or the other? :shrug: To me, that would make him a better,more complex character. (even if it wasn't Nicole. Hell, I'd be happy if he had some fond reminiscence of Kate!)
Edited by ladyofthelake, Nov 7 2013, 06:19 AM.
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LuvingLumi
Nov 7 2013, 06:07 AM
JamaicanBeauty7
Nov 6 2013, 11:07 PM
LuvingLumi
Nov 6 2013, 09:32 PM
I frankly don't think Ej cares about any woman. History proves it.
I don't know about that. Most recently, EJ went on his hands and knees begging Stefano to save Sami. He gave everything and his soul to Steffie to free her from life in prison. That looks like he cares about Sami to me.

This also happened around August, which would constitute the past, or "history."
And somehow now he's going to keep a secret that will hurt her, and her twin. If he cared at all about Sami he'd tell her. Ej's actions with all his women prove that in the end he'll do whatever benefits him. I can even argue that he took the deal with Stefano because that action would also benefit him too... Not to say it didn't primarily benefit Sami but an argument could be made that if he would have been on the outs with Sami would he have taken the deal with Stef that set her free? The deal benefitted him too.


When did JS use the word brilliant?

Anyway I donīt think EJ keeping this secret will hurt Sami she will get upset when she finds out her brother been raped but that would have happend if he told her too, but she will get angry with him for lying about it, but he isnīt doing it because it benefits him, but because he cares about his sister and wants her to be happy and Sami will understand that in time.

ladyofthelake
Nov 7 2013, 06:19 AM
Ya know, this opinion about EJ and his feelings is just dependent on one's fandom or lack of it. Personally, I think the drama was over the top, (EJ and Kristen) but wild in a cool way. I don't want to debate who EJ might have feelings for, because right now, yeah, it's Sami, but if there is a different writer, things might change. I remember the time he was crazy sniffing the scarf of the T girl. To everything, there is a season. But, yeah (even as a non-EJami fan), I think he's got it bad for Sami. Why, I don't know. But I also think he's got a twinge of snarky feeling for Nicole that he tries to hide with sarcasm and a hair of meanness, sort of like a teenage boy. No problem with that! In real life, I would expect more than one man to continue to have some sort of residual fondness for an ex. Yeah, some have extreme hatred, some have no feeling whatsoever, but some have some residual feeling. It might actually make EJ human and add a little more angst to the story. Why does it have to be one or the other? :shrug: To me, that would make him a better,more complex character. (even if it wasn't Nicole. Hell, I'd be happy if he had some fond reminiscence of Kate!)


I did say that I think EJ cares a little bit about Nicole because I think it makes him human, but also because him caring about Nicole doesnīt exclude him for being happy and inlove with Sami at the same time, but your are right that the writing can change. I do love Ejami more than Ejole but I have liked Ejole too so Iīm not totally against the writers going back to Ejole. I just hope that if they do it something the actors believes in or else it never gonna work.
Edited by S loves EJ, Nov 7 2013, 06:49 AM.
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