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Wednesday, November 6th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Nov 6 2013, 02:25 AM (17,515 Views)
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LuvingLumi
Nov 7 2013, 11:21 AM
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Nov 7 2013, 11:03 AM
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Nov 7 2013, 11:00 AM
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Nov 7 2013, 10:58 AM

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On this note you should know, I partially blame you for making 2013Days a lot less entertaining.
But now you love S&K so it's totes worth it!!
I watched S&K deaf storyline a few years back and was mesmerized by how well written that was....they'll never do that nowadays...they are all into having the women bed hop and not commit long enough...I might not like Ejami but I think they had potential if they would have actually tackled some of their problems head on in 2007, and stopped writing Ej to be such an asshole that year... I think super couple type writing always showed that regardless of problems, the guy wanted to be with that girl adn the girl wanted to be with that guy. There was never a doubt in anyone's mind when watching the story and the stories were written that you couldn't spin it any other way, even if you wanted to. Nowadays the commitment isn't there from TPTB....I think it has a lot to do with budget, but also there are very few writers that can actually write that way anymore...and to be frank, I think their are very few fans who can actually wait around 2 years to get their couple to make love....nowadays everything has to be done fast.....it's the age of information, lol.

I think people would wait if the story was compelling. IMO, Days really doesn't need to go back to supercouple formula with everyone only having one love. Ultimately, that's very limiting. They just need to reconnect the characters to each other and give them non-romantic goals to work toward.

Watching the S&K story has made me like the characters, not just as a unit, but as individuals, because they both had lives outside of each other.

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Nov 7 2013, 11:28 AM
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Nov 7 2013, 10:48 AM
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Nov 7 2013, 10:29 AM
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Nov 7 2013, 09:59 AM

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EJ is a rapist himself so I didnīt think it made sense that he was disgusted by what Kristen did, but should have been more concern about how it would effect Sami. It was partly the script fault but I think JS yelled a bit to much about there being a video, other than that I enjoyed the EJ/Kristen scenes
I'll pretend to agree that EJ is a rapist long enough to point out that you can do something, regret it and be disgusted by the act when someone else does it.

I think EJ regretting his actions was how it originally was written when Ejami discussed the raped and he said it was the biggest mistake of his life and that he would take it all back if he could but then they did the Rafe2 storyline, so now Iīm not sure if it would sound believable if EJ were to say that he learned from his mistake, even if it didnīt seemed to me that EJ realized it was rape when Rafe2 had sex with Sami.

Well, like I said, I don't see those stories the way you do, so I, personally, don't see the hypocrisy, but there's a 0% chance that I'm going to get into exactly why I don't see the stories as rape or having anything in common with what Kristen did, so we'll have to agree to disagree.
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tomsawyer
Nov 7 2013, 09:30 AM
Because I'm procrastinating doing work and because I just want us all to love each other, I looked up the JS interviews. He actually referred to BOTH the Syndnapping and the shooting as a "brilliant twist." Yay! Everybody is right! Now let's all sing Kumbaya.
Bless your heart, tom. You know, I really love you....
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Nov 7 2013, 10:58 AM
Having said that, I just don't think we're going to get a long term breakup out of this story. I could be wrong, & honestly I'd like it if I was. Ejami need some genuine angst. Something to keep them apart for awhile so they can long to be together. Angsty looks across a room, almost kisses, denying feelings...you get my drift.

I've just come off of watching the S&K poisoning storyline & I loved all the angst that was tied up in that story. I wish tptb would go back & watch some of this...it would do all the couples on Days some good.
I soooo want Ejami to break-up soon to get the kind of story you're talking about. I felt cheated out of the angsty soapy build-up when Ejami just decided they were a couple and that they loved and trusted each other last winter. So a break-up in the near future, followed by an estrangement and then a longer re-build would be great IMO.
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Nov 7 2013, 11:52 AM
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Nov 7 2013, 10:58 AM
Having said that, I just don't think we're going to get a long term breakup out of this story. I could be wrong, & honestly I'd like it if I was. Ejami need some genuine angst. Something to keep them apart for awhile so they can long to be together. Angsty looks across a room, almost kisses, denying feelings...you get my drift.

I've just come off of watching the S&K poisoning storyline & I loved all the angst that was tied up in that story. I wish tptb would go back & watch some of this...it would do all the couples on Days some good.
I soooo want Ejami to break-up soon to get the kind of story you're talking about. I felt cheated out of the angsty soapy build-up when Ejami just decided they were a couple and that they loved and trusted each other last winter. So a break-up in the near future, followed by an estrangement and then a longer re-build would be great IMO.
I would love it too, but I'm afraid it'll be short lived.

I think they'll be back together by the first of the year.
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Nov 7 2013, 11:38 AM
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Nov 7 2013, 11:28 AM
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Nov 7 2013, 10:48 AM
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I'll pretend to agree that EJ is a rapist long enough to point out that you can do something, regret it and be disgusted by the act when someone else does it.

I think EJ regretting his actions was how it originally was written when Ejami discussed the raped and he said it was the biggest mistake of his life and that he would take it all back if he could but then they did the Rafe2 storyline, so now Iīm not sure if it would sound believable if EJ were to say that he learned from his mistake, even if it didnīt seemed to me that EJ realized it was rape when Rafe2 had sex with Sami.
I think the only constant they have shown in Ej's writing regardless of who writes him is that he doesn't learn from his mistakes. He even told Kristen that the reason he's lost Sami before was because of the lies and what does he do? Keep a secret for Kristen and in effect lie to Sami. He knows that doing what he's doing is going to be something that Sami is going to have trouble understanding and he does it anyway. IMHO it's even worse now that he has Sami...at least she's shown this time around that she's willing to stick by him...so why not trust her enough to tell her what's up.....
He totally doesn't trust her to stick around. She totally doesn't trust him to tell her the truth. And they both have valid reasons for that since Sami does tend to run on him and EJ does tend to hide things from her. And of course, it's all cyclical - he doesn't tell her things because he thinks she's going to run and she runs because she thinks she can't trust him - around and around we go. Based on how they've written Ejami for the last six months or so, they've actually set it up really well for a real break-up based on these specific trust issues. And specifically, this Eric lie could be a good breaking point because it's very indicative of their overall pattern.
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Nov 7 2013, 11:59 AM
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Nov 7 2013, 11:52 AM
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Nov 7 2013, 10:58 AM
Having said that, I just don't think we're going to get a long term breakup out of this story. I could be wrong, & honestly I'd like it if I was. Ejami need some genuine angst. Something to keep them apart for awhile so they can long to be together. Angsty looks across a room, almost kisses, denying feelings...you get my drift.

I've just come off of watching the S&K poisoning storyline & I loved all the angst that was tied up in that story. I wish tptb would go back & watch some of this...it would do all the couples on Days some good.
I soooo want Ejami to break-up soon to get the kind of story you're talking about. I felt cheated out of the angsty soapy build-up when Ejami just decided they were a couple and that they loved and trusted each other last winter. So a break-up in the near future, followed by an estrangement and then a longer re-build would be great IMO.
I would love it too, but I'm afraid it'll be short lived.

I think they'll be back together by the first of the year.
Well, at least a couple months would be an improvement over a couple days, LOL.

I honestly don't get why TPTB are so obsessed with shorter story arcs. I mean, I get it when it's a plot-driven story - something like Eric's rape - because there are only so many "near miss" moments you can do. But when it's a character-driven story - like a couple getting together - then they should drag it out and play all the little beats along the way, like they're doing with Ericole.
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tomsawyer
Nov 7 2013, 11:52 AM
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Nov 7 2013, 10:58 AM
Having said that, I just don't think we're going to get a long term breakup out of this story. I could be wrong, & honestly I'd like it if I was. Ejami need some genuine angst. Something to keep them apart for awhile so they can long to be together. Angsty looks across a room, almost kisses, denying feelings...you get my drift.

I've just come off of watching the S&K poisoning storyline & I loved all the angst that was tied up in that story. I wish tptb would go back & watch some of this...it would do all the couples on Days some good.
I soooo want Ejami to break-up soon to get the kind of story you're talking about. I felt cheated out of the angsty soapy build-up when Ejami just decided they were a couple and that they loved and trusted each other last winter. So a break-up in the near future, followed by an estrangement and then a longer re-build would be great IMO.
If they are going to go for a longer break up they need to start dealing with the issues that plague them...if the trust issue is the problem, then start dealing with it. Sami doesn't trust Ej because he hasn't shown an ability to be trustworthy...frankly I am still not sure why Ej would trust Sami enough to not sleep with one eye open at night...but that's just me. But trust issues are also something that plagued my favorite couples through the years and they were able to write it in a way that actually made me believe that they were going to overcome it..but alas they never truly did...Sami was finally able to open up and tell Lucas all that she was planning to do and she was very open and honest with him...he wasn't kept in the dark........ It was his mistrust of her closeness to Ej that lead him to lie about Will shooting Ej....he SHOULD have told her the truth instead of lying to her and shuffling Will to Switzerland and then taking the wrap for his son. All that SHOULD have been something Lumi worked at concealing together, but it wasn't and it ultimately played heavily into their separation....I guess in a way, it's the only thing that truly Lumi can't get passed and it stems from their history....Sami trusts Lucas to a point and Lucas trusts Sami to a point...and I guess the same thing is what is plaguing Ejami now.
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Nov 7 2013, 12:07 PM
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Nov 7 2013, 11:52 AM
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Nov 7 2013, 10:58 AM
Having said that, I just don't think we're going to get a long term breakup out of this story. I could be wrong, & honestly I'd like it if I was. Ejami need some genuine angst. Something to keep them apart for awhile so they can long to be together. Angsty looks across a room, almost kisses, denying feelings...you get my drift.

I've just come off of watching the S&K poisoning storyline & I loved all the angst that was tied up in that story. I wish tptb would go back & watch some of this...it would do all the couples on Days some good.
I soooo want Ejami to break-up soon to get the kind of story you're talking about. I felt cheated out of the angsty soapy build-up when Ejami just decided they were a couple and that they loved and trusted each other last winter. So a break-up in the near future, followed by an estrangement and then a longer re-build would be great IMO.
If they are going to go for a longer break up they need to start dealing with the issues that plague them...if the trust issue is the problem, then start dealing with it. Sami doesn't trust Ej because he hasn't shown an ability to be trustworthy...frankly I am still not sure why Ej would trust Sami enough to not sleep with one eye open at night...but that's just me. But trust issues are also something that plagued my favorite couples through the years and they were able to write it in a way that actually made me believe that they were going to overcome it..but alas they never truly did...Sami was finally able to open up and tell Lucas all that she was planning to do and she was very open and honest with him...he wasn't kept in the dark........ It was his mistrust of her closeness to Ej that lead him to lie about Will shooting Ej....he SHOULD have told her the truth instead of lying to her and shuffling Will to Switzerland and then taking the wrap for his son. All that SHOULD have been something Lumi worked at concealing together, but it wasn't and it ultimately played heavily into their separation....I guess in a way, it's the only thing that truly Lumi can't get passed and it stems from their history....Sami trusts Lucas to a point and Lucas trusts Sami to a point...and I guess the same thing is what is plaguing Ejami now.
So. much. truth. Lumi!!!!

Annyhoo, I have avoided participating in the Ejami/What are Ej's true feelings/they will break up/no they won't discussion thus far (of which I am rather proud), but I just wanted to say I didn't take EJ hiding the truth from Sami (for now at least) as that far left-field or an injustice to the couple. Yes, the way it played out was rather scratch-head-worthy, as EJ seemed to be under no real threat from Kristen (other than her crazy eyes) and withholding the secret doesn't really seem to serve him any benefit (especially when he just finished saying every time he lied to Smanther he lost her). But then he goes and does it. So, perhaps given recent developments, that move to lie was completely contrived. But given the context of Ejami (not that I like giving all that much thought to them, but here goes) it plays on some issues fundamental to the pairing. Issues of trust, of loyalties to families that are perhaps inherently at odds with each other, etc. I am recalling all the conversations Sami has had about EJ changing, and recently Sami so openly speaking so terribly about Kristen to EJ, but EJ still being Kristen's brother, and a DiMera, etc. There are significant and important obstacles present in this coupling even if both EJ and Sami claim or pledge to love each other with all earnestness and the purest of intentions. Those fundamental conflicts due to allegiances and concerns about trust are strong and real and potent. So if EJ's lie works to (re)expose and dramatize any of these issues, well that is just good couple angst. If they get over this in two seconds, that will be very lame. I would not be AT ALL OPPOSED to this lie ending Ejami, as I have absolutely no fondness for the couple (as some of you might know), but I doubt that will happen. In any event, EJ's decision to cover-up Kristen's secret is not terrible storytelling nor a move that evidences a lack of understanding for EJ or the couple. I think it's a move that speaks directly to issues that are very much Ejami-centric and require addressing.

And now I don't want to think about them anymore. /out
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Nov 7 2013, 12:27 PM
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Nov 7 2013, 11:52 AM
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Nov 7 2013, 10:58 AM
Having said that, I just don't think we're going to get a long term breakup out of this story. I could be wrong, & honestly I'd like it if I was. Ejami need some genuine angst. Something to keep them apart for awhile so they can long to be together. Angsty looks across a room, almost kisses, denying feelings...you get my drift.

I've just come off of watching the S&K poisoning storyline & I loved all the angst that was tied up in that story. I wish tptb would go back & watch some of this...it would do all the couples on Days some good.
I soooo want Ejami to break-up soon to get the kind of story you're talking about. I felt cheated out of the angsty soapy build-up when Ejami just decided they were a couple and that they loved and trusted each other last winter. So a break-up in the near future, followed by an estrangement and then a longer re-build would be great IMO.
If they are going to go for a longer break up they need to start dealing with the issues that plague them...if the trust issue is the problem, then start dealing with it. Sami doesn't trust Ej because he hasn't shown an ability to be trustworthy...frankly I am still not sure why Ej would trust Sami enough to not sleep with one eye open at night...but that's just me. But trust issues are also something that plagued my favorite couples through the years and they were able to write it in a way that actually made me believe that they were going to overcome it..but alas they never truly did...Sami was finally able to open up and tell Lucas all that she was planning to do and she was very open and honest with him...he wasn't kept in the dark........ It was his mistrust of her closeness to Ej that lead him to lie about Will shooting Ej....he SHOULD have told her the truth instead of lying to her and shuffling Will to Switzerland and then taking the wrap for his son. All that SHOULD have been something Lumi worked at concealing together, but it wasn't and it ultimately played heavily into their separation....I guess in a way, it's the only thing that truly Lumi can't get passed and it stems from their history....Sami trusts Lucas to a point and Lucas trusts Sami to a point...and I guess the same thing is what is plaguing Ejami now.
So. much. truth. Lumi!!!!

Annyhoo, I have avoided participating in the Ejami/What are Ej's true feelings/they will break up/no they won't discussion thus far (of which I am rather proud), but I just wanted to say I didn't take EJ hiding the truth from Sami (for now at least) as that far left-field or an injustice the couple. Yes, they way it played out was rather scratch-head-worthy, as EJ seemed to be under no real threat from Kristen (other than her crazy eyes) and withholding the secret doesn't really seem to serve him any benefit (especially when he just finished saying every time he liked to Smanther he lost her). But then he goes and does it. So, perhaps given recent developments that move to lie was completely contrived. But given the context of Ejami (not that I like giving ALL that much thought to them, but here goes) it plays on some issues fundamental to the pairing. Issues of trust, of loyalties to families that are perhaps inherently at odds with each other, etc. I am recalling all the conversations Sami has had when she talked about EJ changing, and recently Sami so openly speaking so terribly about Kristen to EJ, but EJ still being Kristen's brother, and a DiMera, etc. There are significant and important obstacles present in this coupling even in both EJ and Sami claim or pledge to love each other with all earnestness and the purest of intentions. Those fundamental conflicts due to allegiances and concerns about trust are strong and real and potent - so if EJ's like works to expose and dramatize any of these issues, well that is just good couple angst. If they get over this in two seconds, that will be very lame. I would not be OPPOSED to this lie ending Ejami, has I have no fondness for the couple, but I doubt that will happen. I'd be fine if the lie led to an eternal estrangement, but I don't see that happening. In any event, EJ's decision to cover-up Kristen's secret is not terrible storytelling or a move that evidences a lack of understanding for EJ or the couple. I think it's a move that speaks directly to the issues that are very much Ejami-centric and require addressing.

And now I don't want to think about them anymore. /out
I don't think the lie will lead to a long break up either...but I think the fact that she leaves him even for a second will be the ammo he needs to not tell her this or that in the future...or to try to get her back by using some underhanded means at his disposal.
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But now you love S&K so it's totes worth it!!
I watched S&K deaf storyline a few years back and was mesmerized by how well written that was....they'll never do that nowadays...they are all into having the women bed hop and not commit long enough...I might not like Ejami but I think they had potential if they would have actually tackled some of their problems head on in 2007, and stopped writing Ej to be such an asshole that year... I think super couple type writing always showed that regardless of problems, the guy wanted to be with that girl adn the girl wanted to be with that guy. There was never a doubt in anyone's mind when watching the story and the stories were written that you couldn't spin it any other way, even if you wanted to. Nowadays the commitment isn't there from TPTB....I think it has a lot to do with budget, but also there are very few writers that can actually write that way anymore...and to be frank, I think their are very few fans who can actually wait around 2 years to get their couple to make love....nowadays everything has to be done fast.....it's the age of information, lol.

I think people would wait if the story was compelling. IMO, Days really doesn't need to go back to supercouple formula with everyone only having one love. Ultimately, that's very limiting. They just need to reconnect the characters to each other and give them non-romantic goals to work toward.

Watching the S&K story has made me like the characters, not just as a unit, but as individuals, because they both had lives outside of each other.

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I'll pretend to agree that EJ is a rapist long enough to point out that you can do something, regret it and be disgusted by the act when someone else does it.

I think EJ regretting his actions was how it originally was written when Ejami discussed the raped and he said it was the biggest mistake of his life and that he would take it all back if he could but then they did the Rafe2 storyline, so now Iīm not sure if it would sound believable if EJ were to say that he learned from his mistake, even if it didnīt seemed to me that EJ realized it was rape when Rafe2 had sex with Sami.

Well, like I said, I don't see those stories the way you do, so I, personally, don't see the hypocrisy, but there's a 0% chance that I'm going to get into exactly why I don't see the stories as rape or having anything in common with what Kristen did, so we'll have to agree to disagree.

I donīt want to get into the rape storylines either, but I would like to add that I donīt totally disagreeing with you. I am an Ejami fan so I do believe that EJ loves Sami and regretts the rape, but I understand how it would sound unbelievable after the Rafe2 storyline if he said that he learned from his mistake. Plus I think he just cares about Sami being hurt not if someone else get raped liked Eric. It not just the rape either EJ has done other bad things for him to be that chocked when someone else does bad things.
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Nov 7 2013, 11:50 AM
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Nov 7 2013, 09:30 AM
Because I'm procrastinating doing work and because I just want us all to love each other, I looked up the JS interviews. He actually referred to BOTH the Syndnapping and the shooting as a "brilliant twist." Yay! Everybody is right! Now let's all sing Kumbaya.
Bless your heart, tom. You know, I really love you....
+1 for research and for tomsawyer!

I'm loving all this build-up in different facets of the wedding storyline and I hope they play out all the beats they need to during the aftermath. Only 29 minutes to today's episode and this is me right now...

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Nov 7 2013, 11:48 AM
I think people would wait if the story was compelling. IMO, Days really doesn't need to go back to supercouple formula with everyone only having one love. Ultimately, that's very limiting. They just need to reconnect the characters to each other and give them non-romantic goals to work toward.

Watching the S&K story has made me like the characters, not just as a unit, but as individuals, because they both had lives outside of each other.
Six, you may need to sit down because I actually totally agree with you (see what you learning to love S&K has done to our relationship?).

I'm not gonna lie, I love my supercouples. Well, more specifically, I love MY supercouple. I love that for 4 years, I never had a single doubt that Steve loved Kayla and Kayla loved Steve and that's just how it was supposed to be. I love that through every story, I could withstand the pain because deep down I knew that they would find themselves again.

All that said, however, there is no question that the supercouple formula was ultimately self-limiting. Because once they have conquered every obstacle the writers can throw at them, the story loses all tension and the only way to truly move somebody into a new relationship is to kill off one of the characters. Because if I believe that they are soulmates, then I sure as hell can't buy one of them falling in "tru luv" with somebody else if they are both alive.

Days got "lucky" in the 80's in the sense that with the exception of Shane and Kim who were there for like 9 years (and had even more ridiculous crap thrown at them), every other couple had one or both actors choose to leave before the story could completely burn out. But watching what they did to Bo and Hope after they returned kind of convinces me that without a truly imaginative writer (i.e. the person who doesn't actually exist in the soap world), the supercouple formula ultimately leads to way too many rounds of break up and make up with each reason more contrived than the last.

All that said, I think there is room for supercouple writing in today's soaps, but it needs to be limited to one couple, not 4 or 5. I think it works for Ericole, but that doesn't mean that every new couple that comes along should follow that same path. But that also doesn't mean that the story those couples do get can't be compelling and draw you in for however long that lasts. But the writers shouldn't be trying to convince us that each one is the greatest wuv that ever wuvved.

And I totally agree that one of the things that made the difference back in the day is that the characters were characters, not part of a couple. They existed independently of each other through jobs, families, and friendships. They had issues/angst that were related to them individually, not just their relationship. And even the relationship stories often served to provide growth and depth to the individual characters. There is no doubt that today's writers could take a clue from that (and, not ironically, it's something that seems to exist with Eric and Nicole).

Lastly, every time you post something about liking S&K, an angel gets its wings. :)
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Nov 7 2013, 11:38 AM
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I'll pretend to agree that EJ is a rapist long enough to point out that you can do something, regret it and be disgusted by the act when someone else does it.

I think EJ regretting his actions was how it originally was written when Ejami discussed the raped and he said it was the biggest mistake of his life and that he would take it all back if he could but then they did the Rafe2 storyline, so now Iīm not sure if it would sound believable if EJ were to say that he learned from his mistake, even if it didnīt seemed to me that EJ realized it was rape when Rafe2 had sex with Sami.
I think the only constant they have shown in Ej's writing regardless of who writes him is that he doesn't learn from his mistakes. He even told Kristen that the reason he's lost Sami before was because of the lies and what does he do? Keep a secret for Kristen and in effect lie to Sami. He knows that doing what he's doing is going to be something that Sami is going to have trouble understanding and he does it anyway. IMHO it's even worse now that he has Sami...at least she's shown this time around that she's willing to stick by him...so why not trust her enough to tell her what's up.....

I think it would have made sense if EJ had kept the secret if he had only known the video to be destroyed it would have been unlikely for the truth to ever come out then, but since he knows Eric is starting to remember he should have realized that the risk of the truth coming out is to big to not tell Sami. Still maybe he unconsciencely wants a fight with Sami it usually leads to one thing.
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Nov 7 2013, 12:34 PM
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Nov 7 2013, 11:48 AM
I think people would wait if the story was compelling. IMO, Days really doesn't need to go back to supercouple formula with everyone only having one love. Ultimately, that's very limiting. They just need to reconnect the characters to each other and give them non-romantic goals to work toward.

Watching the S&K story has made me like the characters, not just as a unit, but as individuals, because they both had lives outside of each other.
Six, you may need to sit down because I actually totally agree with you (see what you learning to love S&K has done to our relationship?).

I'm just going to enjoy this for a little while. This may be the first time this ever happened.
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Nov 7 2013, 12:53 PM
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Nov 7 2013, 11:48 AM
I think people would wait if the story was compelling. IMO, Days really doesn't need to go back to supercouple formula with everyone only having one love. Ultimately, that's very limiting. They just need to reconnect the characters to each other and give them non-romantic goals to work toward.

Watching the S&K story has made me like the characters, not just as a unit, but as individuals, because they both had lives outside of each other.
Six, you may need to sit down because I actually totally agree with you (see what you learning to love S&K has done to our relationship?).

I'm just going to enjoy this for a little while. This may be the first time this ever happened.
You guys have nailed it. The problem with today's couples is that they're lumped into romantic units instead of individual characters with their own histories. Or, as MA puts it, they just get identified as their portmanteau rather than a romance between two interesting people. When two distinct personalities legitimately come together to make a romance, you see something amazing happen onscreen. I consider this requirement number 1 to even consider a pairing as a viable couple.

For me, it also requires a slow build, something that doesn't happen much on daytime these days (which is why I have such an issue getting invested in any pairing that's come to bear in the last decade). The closest thing DAYS has right now to a couple that fits this formula (a slow-build, viable couple with distinct personalities/histories) is Eric and Nicole. They may have shot themselves in the foot, though, by the whole rape accusation thing because I don't know how Nicole comes back from that to Eric without diminishing her own self-worth.

One of my favorite scenes ever from the JnJ first-run romance is their scene right before they make love for the first time because it says so much about their romantic journey. Jack is STILL trying to put the brakes on because of his past with Kayla (even though even he knows it's inevitable at this point).

Jennifer: What is it, Jack. Are you scared?
Jack: Yeah.
Jennifer: Why?
Jack: Because on the ship... On the ship, it was different. We were going to die.
Jennifer: That doesn't matter.
Jack: It mattered to me. I stopped thinking.
Jennifer: Don't think now.
Jack: I have to think. I can't... I can't not think about who you are... and who I am.
Jennifer: We'll never know who we really are if you keep running away. I already know who you are, and I'm not running away. What I want to know now is who we are together.

Here we have Jack bringing in his history as a rapist and comparing it with Jennifer, the virgin he's placed on a pretty big pedestal. And Jennifer is pushing back just as hard, telling him at some point during some previous scenes that she won't shatter like a china doll if he touches her. Jennifer and Jack are best friends at this point, and they've shared intimate details of their life with each other over a 2-year romantic build.

Now granted, JnJ was staple supercouple formula, but the basics apply. Honestly, if you can't have a scene where the viewer can say that they know who the characters are apart and want to know now what they will be together, then it just doesn't work.
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If they are going to go for a longer break up they need to start dealing with the issues that plague them...if the trust issue is the problem, then start dealing with it. Sami doesn't trust Ej because he hasn't shown an ability to be trustworthy...frankly I am still not sure why Ej would trust Sami enough to not sleep with one eye open at night...but that's just me. But trust issues are also something that plagued my favorite couples through the years and they were able to write it in a way that actually made me believe that they were going to overcome it..but alas they never truly did...Sami was finally able to open up and tell Lucas all that she was planning to do and she was very open and honest with him...he wasn't kept in the dark........ It was his mistrust of her closeness to Ej that lead him to lie about Will shooting Ej....he SHOULD have told her the truth instead of lying to her and shuffling Will to Switzerland and then taking the wrap for his son. All that SHOULD have been something Lumi worked at concealing together, but it wasn't and it ultimately played heavily into their separation....I guess in a way, it's the only thing that truly Lumi can't get passed and it stems from their history....Sami trusts Lucas to a point and Lucas trusts Sami to a point...and I guess the same thing is what is plaguing Ejami now.
So. much. truth. Lumi!!!!

Annyhoo, I have avoided participating in the Ejami/What are Ej's true feelings/they will break up/no they won't discussion thus far (of which I am rather proud), but I just wanted to say I didn't take EJ hiding the truth from Sami (for now at least) as that far left-field or an injustice the couple. Yes, they way it played out was rather scratch-head-worthy, as EJ seemed to be under no real threat from Kristen (other than her crazy eyes) and withholding the secret doesn't really seem to serve him any benefit (especially when he just finished saying every time he liked to Smanther he lost her). But then he goes and does it. So, perhaps given recent developments that move to lie was completely contrived. But given the context of Ejami (not that I like giving ALL that much thought to them, but here goes) it plays on some issues fundamental to the pairing. Issues of trust, of loyalties to families that are perhaps inherently at odds with each other, etc. I am recalling all the conversations Sami has had when she talked about EJ changing, and recently Sami so openly speaking so terribly about Kristen to EJ, but EJ still being Kristen's brother, and a DiMera, etc. There are significant and important obstacles present in this coupling even in both EJ and Sami claim or pledge to love each other with all earnestness and the purest of intentions. Those fundamental conflicts due to allegiances and concerns about trust are strong and real and potent - so if EJ's like works to expose and dramatize any of these issues, well that is just good couple angst. If they get over this in two seconds, that will be very lame. I would not be OPPOSED to this lie ending Ejami, has I have no fondness for the couple, but I doubt that will happen. I'd be fine if the lie led to an eternal estrangement, but I don't see that happening. In any event, EJ's decision to cover-up Kristen's secret is not terrible storytelling or a move that evidences a lack of understanding for EJ or the couple. I think it's a move that speaks directly to the issues that are very much Ejami-centric and require addressing.

And now I don't want to think about them anymore. /out
I don't think the lie will lead to a long break up either...but I think the fact that she leaves him even for a second will be the ammo he needs to not tell her this or that in the future...or to try to get her back by using some underhanded means at his disposal.
Once can hope ;) I would be more than fine with the pair broken up if only for a little while (I have been plenty patient). But I agree, I can see this as a possibility as well.
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Nov 6 2013, 11:25 PM
I thought both ED and JS were over the top today. But it was fitting for this particular scene.
ED was emotional but not over emoting and shouty like JS.I too think he was horrible in today's episode.
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