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Thursday, November 14th Daily Discussion
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Nov 14 2013, 05:08 PM
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be nice! ;) I'm sure Eric could use all our hugs. It doesn't matter who's where in line (but since I said he needed a hug, I'm clearly first in line).
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Nov 14 2013, 05:08 PM
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but you are defending the rationale as being about his love for Sami - that is what I am debating. And I use "noble" facetiously. The point there was to say if the motivation to lie was to leave things as they were, now that the event is exposed, continuing to lie denigrated Eric in the process. I am not sure how I see that action as coming from a place of love for Sami.
There isn't anything to defend is my argument because his love for Sami was not and still is not in question. That is why my stance is that they was no choosing Kristen over Sami, or a choice of Kristen vs Sami showing Sami doesn't matter to him when compared to the Dimeras. Oh ok - so it's "I love you Sami, but I will allow my sister, if possible, to get away with violating your brother in this horrific manner. My love for you is completely exclusive from my decision to keep you in the dark about this, because my love for you over here, is not also bound up in any decision I might make to help your brother for your sake or not to allow my sister to get away with this action, despite my loyalty to her as DiMera. I just want to keep everything peachy-keen quiet and hopefully no one will notice."
But, yeah, I just don't see how he could or should compartmentalize his love for Sami as separate from this decision to stay quiet (and I am not saying "choosing" Kristen over Sami, necessarily), and especially his decision to continue to lie and insult Eric, given who the secret affects in relation to Sami. So that is why I disagreed with "As always with EJ, its all about Sami and their love and life together." Fair enough if he thought that - I can't argue with the truth of whether he believes something or not, I guess. What I am ultimately saying is I don't agree with his rationale (so I'll take that up with EJ rather than you, lol).
His decision to keep quiet might not necessarily have been a "choice" of Kristen over Sami. He may not have consciously said to himself in the moment, Kristen I am choosing you over Sami, yes I am! But that's how his decision reads. I do think he decided to keep the secret to protect the one, over coming clean and preventing any secrets from existing with the other. So it is at least a kind of choice, one that brings up issues of trust between EJ and Sami. Which, again, is just good couple angst.
But I think we are just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one, respectfully.
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JarlenaLante
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Nov 14 2013, 05:15 PM
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Absolutely loved Sami wondering if they had any spare guillotines around.
Also love how people are rallying around Nicole---and that Victor continues to be his old badass self. More, please!
Good ending with lots of angst tomorrow for Ericole and Ejami.
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LuvingLumi
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Nov 14 2013, 05:18 PM
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!
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- Nov 14 2013, 05:08 PM
Posted Imagebe nice! ;)I'm sure Eric could use all our hugs. It doesn't matter who's where in line (but since I said he needed a hug, I'm clearly first in line). Posted Image Where is Lysie or Soapy to comment on that emoticon
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Nov 14 2013, 05:21 PM
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I wonder if Eeej can spin a lie as fast as his equally disgusting "sister" can? Or who he'll blame? It won't surprise me if tries to blame Eric in some way. . . I guess we'll see tomorrow.
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Nov 14 2013, 05:36 PM
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- Nov 14 2013, 03:15 PM
UGH -- the president's press conference wiped out nearly the entire episode in the Central Time Zone! Arrrgh. Help!
What time does it air where you are (I am central too)? I record it, so I hope I get it.
In Chicago, DAYS starts at 11:00 am, which is exactly when the president started and he spoke for nearly the entire hour. :( Ok, thanks! It doesn't start until 1:00 here.
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Nov 14 2013, 05:37 PM
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- Nov 14 2013, 05:08 PM
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- Nov 14 2013, 04:48 PM
I'm going to kick you out of the line and take your place....
be nice! ;)I'm sure Eric could use all our hugs. It doesn't matter who's where in line (but since I said he needed a hug, I'm clearly first in line).
break it up, break it up... "grabs GV and runs off with him" Posted Image
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Nov 14 2013, 05:37 PM
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- Nov 14 2013, 03:56 PM
Hey, Supergirl can you get me screen shot of that smiley face that EJ gives Brady in that same scene? It's right before Sami <cough> comforts Brady. Please and thank you! :hail: Posted Image
Thank you! Oh my! They were BOTH smiling!??? i'm not sure what AS was doing. lol.
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Nov 14 2013, 05:37 PM
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- Nov 14 2013, 04:01 PM
Place you bets: Will Eileen get an Daytime Emmy nomination next year? she had better get the freaking emmy. If she doesn't even get a nom that would be ridic. (Then again this IS Days we're talking about here and they don't get emmy's easily no matter the work quality....)
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Nov 14 2013, 05:38 PM
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- Nov 14 2013, 03:15 PM
UGH -- the president's press conference wiped out nearly the entire episode in the Central Time Zone! Arrrgh. Help!
What time does it air where you are (I am central too)? I record it, so I hope I get it.
In Chicago, DAYS starts at 11:00 am, which is exactly when the president started and he spoke for nearly the entire hour. :( Wow. Days starts at 1:00 p.m. here in Wisconsin, Central time. So, maybe I gave you wrong info. Maybe, it reruns today's show at 11:00 p.m. Central time or a different time altogether. The special rerun was announced on Wisconsin news channel. Blah, now I'm confused. I thought Chicago and Wisconsin aired at the same, since they are both Central time.
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Nov 14 2013, 05:39 PM
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Posted Imagebe nice! ;)I'm sure Eric could use all our hugs. It doesn't matter who's where in line (but since I said he needed a hug, I'm clearly first in line). Posted Image
Where is Lysie or Soapy to comment on that emoticon would replacing that emoticon with this make it better or worse? lol
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Nov 14 2013, 05:43 PM
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Thank you! Oh my! They were BOTH smiling!???
i'm not sure what AS was doing. lol. LOL - I love you for posting these, like a series of AS's greatest hits ;)
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Nov 14 2013, 05:44 PM
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So Kristen makes her getaway. She's gone, gone, gone ... for now. Not to be forgotten for a quite a while though I suspect.
Loved how Roman was clearly on Nicole's side! Even Vic came to Nicole's 'rescue' ... LOL! The Brady/Nicole scene was very short but it covered everything that needed to be said between those two.
Love that EJ kept digging himself in deeper and deeper. If anything Kristen's confession to him and his agreement to keep it from Sami cements my belief that Sami means next to nothing to him. She's not a DiMera by blood consequently she will always come last to him. What ticks me off is that Sami is too dumb to figure that out for herself but then she deserves to live a long and miserable life with the likes of EJ.
Good scenes between Eric and Fr. Matt - at least Fr. Matt believes him ... too bad it's not going to save Eric's 'job' for him.
EJ's lies are not about choosing any Dimera over Sami, it was first about leaving things alone and hoping nothing would come of it and they all go on to live their lives and now it is trying to make sure his lie does not come out so he does not lose Sami. As always with EJ, its all about Sami and their love and life together.
Oh, well, that is not exactly true. One can maybe argue EJ was deeply conflicted and it's a hard thing to choose between the love and loyalty for your sister and the love for your fiance. And I have stated his decision to keep the secret was symptomatic or played on very real issues existing for EJami - if you are to admit them as a serious coupling that merits that consideration. They come from families that are, at this point, by nature at odds with each other, a fact that will probably continue to present them with various conflicts of interest and tests of trust. Such is couple angst. But in this case, EJ did choose to protect his sister over coming clean to Sami with information she could have used to protect or help her brother. He chose to keep Sami in the dark. And at the wedding, he tried to hush hush Eric from making very important connections that would relate the video to the night he fell ill/was raped. And he is continuing to lie to Sami's face, implying that the sex depicted was consensual. He is lying to save his ass. Yes he doesn't want Sami to be angry with him, he doesn't want to do anything to jeopardize what they have by allowing the truth of his actions to come out, but that is not the same as love. That is self-preservation and survival. I am not going to make comments now about whether EJ really does love Sami or what that "love" means. That's not up to me to say. He probably does. But in this case, lying to cover his ass does not love equal. And perhaps he comes clean right away once Sami confront him tomorrow, which would be better than further digging himself into a corner and has redemptive/ameliorating merit. But up to this point, I feel at least the cover-up of the lie (of commission) is coming from a selfish place. Even as an Ejami fan, I agree with all of this.
EJ fucked up, plain and simple. Although I have a hard time buying he and Kristen are that close, we have always seen him desperately wanting some semblance of a family. Unfortunately for EJ, trying to create a family with the DiMeras is usually going to put him at odds with Sami. So yeah, EJ was stupid and decided to do something that could hurt his relationship in order to to help his sister. You could argue that he was being loving, but that love was definitely directed toward Kristen and not Sami in that instance. And, of course, it totally backfired on him. What's especially depressing for EJ is that Kristen made it pretty clear she wouldn't have taken the same risk for him.
Anyway, Sami should be totally pissed. And even more pissed when she finds out he knew about the drugging too. I think it's a pretty major deal and should break them up for awhile. But I also think Sami could eventually forgive him because she knows she'd do the same thing to protect Eric or Brady if they did something to hurt EJ's family. It could provide a good longer arc for Ejami if they play it right, especially since the angst is stemming from the Brady vs. DiMera war that SHOULD continue to plague them.
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Nov 14 2013, 05:47 PM
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So Kristen makes her getaway. She's gone, gone, gone ... for now. Not to be forgotten for a quite a while though I suspect.
Loved how Roman was clearly on Nicole's side! Even Vic came to Nicole's 'rescue' ... LOL! The Brady/Nicole scene was very short but it covered everything that needed to be said between those two.
Love that EJ kept digging himself in deeper and deeper. If anything Kristen's confession to him and his agreement to keep it from Sami cements my belief that Sami means next to nothing to him. She's not a DiMera by blood consequently she will always come last to him. What ticks me off is that Sami is too dumb to figure that out for herself but then she deserves to live a long and miserable life with the likes of EJ.
Good scenes between Eric and Fr. Matt - at least Fr. Matt believes him ... too bad it's not going to save Eric's 'job' for him.
EJ's lies are not about choosing any Dimera over Sami, it was first about leaving things alone and hoping nothing would come of it and they all go on to live their lives and now it is trying to make sure his lie does not come out so he does not lose Sami. As always with EJ, its all about Sami and their love and life together.
Oh, well, that is not exactly true. One can maybe argue EJ was deeply conflicted and it's a hard thing to choose between the love and loyalty for your sister and the love for your fiance. And I have stated his decision to keep the secret was symptomatic or played on very real issues existing for EJami - if you are to admit them as a serious coupling that merits that consideration. They come from families that are, at this point, by nature at odds with each other, a fact that will probably continue to present them with various conflicts of interest and tests of trust. Such is couple angst. But in this case, EJ did choose to protect his sister over coming clean to Sami with information she could have used to protect or help her brother. He chose to keep Sami in the dark. And at the wedding, he tried to hush hush Eric from making very important connections that would relate the video to the night he fell ill/was raped. And he is continuing to lie to Sami's face, implying that the sex depicted was consensual. He is lying to save his ass. Yes he doesn't want Sami to be angry with him, he doesn't want to do anything to jeopardize what they have by allowing the truth of his actions to come out, but that is not the same as love. That is self-preservation and survival. I am not going to make comments now about whether EJ really does love Sami or what that "love" means. That's not up to me to say. He probably does. But in this case, lying to cover his ass does not love equal. And perhaps he comes clean right away once Sami confront him tomorrow, which would be better than further digging himself into a corner and has redemptive/ameliorating merit. But up to this point, I feel at least the cover-up of the lie (of commission) is coming from a selfish place.
This is exactly the way I see it. This is the second time he's chosen his blood side over anything else. At least when he chose to make the deal with Stefano it was being done to free Sami....so that argument can be made that at least the sacrifice was for that. But this time, he has NOTHING.....it's all very selfish, and he's continued to lie to her up to the moment she finds the text. At the church the other day he was trying to quiet Eric so he wouldn't start talking.....IMHO it's solely coming from a selfish place, he has no love for what Sami would want or believe in...as long as he was fine to hell with everyone else including her feelings. Well he's definitely in self-preservation mode now, but I don't think the initial lie was selfish. He was actually being unselfish in choosing to keep Kristen's secret. It's just that his unselfishness wasn't directed toward Sami, but toward Kristen. But yeah, now it's all about self-preservation. And he's going to cook his own goose even more if he doesn't help out Eric when he gets suspended.
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Nov 14 2013, 05:50 PM
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So Kristen makes her getaway. She's gone, gone, gone ... for now. Not to be forgotten for a quite a while though I suspect.
Loved how Roman was clearly on Nicole's side! Even Vic came to Nicole's 'rescue' ... LOL! The Brady/Nicole scene was very short but it covered everything that needed to be said between those two.
Love that EJ kept digging himself in deeper and deeper. If anything Kristen's confession to him and his agreement to keep it from Sami cements my belief that Sami means next to nothing to him. She's not a DiMera by blood consequently she will always come last to him. What ticks me off is that Sami is too dumb to figure that out for herself but then she deserves to live a long and miserable life with the likes of EJ.
Good scenes between Eric and Fr. Matt - at least Fr. Matt believes him ... too bad it's not going to save Eric's 'job' for him.
EJ's lies are not about choosing any Dimera over Sami, it was first about leaving things alone and hoping nothing would come of it and they all go on to live their lives and now it is trying to make sure his lie does not come out so he does not lose Sami. As always with EJ, its all about Sami and their love and life together.
Ej chose Kristen over Sami the minute he decided to keep the secret FOR Kristen.....he chose his Dimera blood family over the family he has with Sami.....even after telling himself that lying would make him lose Sami, as it has in the past, he went on to cover for Kristen...'having her back' over Sami's brother's well being.. Does it really matter if EJ lies to Sami. She will only do what she normally does, make some noise about it, huff and puff some more, then eventually it will be as if whatever he lied about never happened.
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Nov 14 2013, 05:50 PM
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So Kristen makes her getaway. She's gone, gone, gone ... for now. Not to be forgotten for a quite a while though I suspect.
Loved how Roman was clearly on Nicole's side! Even Vic came to Nicole's 'rescue' ... LOL! The Brady/Nicole scene was very short but it covered everything that needed to be said between those two.
Love that EJ kept digging himself in deeper and deeper. If anything Kristen's confession to him and his agreement to keep it from Sami cements my belief that Sami means next to nothing to him. She's not a DiMera by blood consequently she will always come last to him. What ticks me off is that Sami is too dumb to figure that out for herself but then she deserves to live a long and miserable life with the likes of EJ.
Good scenes between Eric and Fr. Matt - at least Fr. Matt believes him ... too bad it's not going to save Eric's 'job' for him.
EJ's lies are not about choosing any Dimera over Sami, it was first about leaving things alone and hoping nothing would come of it and they all go on to live their lives and now it is trying to make sure his lie does not come out so he does not lose Sami. As always with EJ, its all about Sami and their love and life together.
Oh, well, that is not exactly true. One can maybe argue EJ was deeply conflicted and it's a hard thing to choose between the love and loyalty for your sister and the love for your fiance. And I have stated his decision to keep the secret was symptomatic or played on very real issues existing for EJami - if you are to admit them as a serious coupling that merits that consideration. They come from families that are, at this point, by nature at odds with each other, a fact that will probably continue to present them with various conflicts of interest and tests of trust. Such is couple angst. But in this case, EJ did choose to protect his sister over coming clean to Sami with information she could have used to protect or help her brother. He chose to keep Sami in the dark. And at the wedding, he tried to hush hush Eric from making very important connections that would relate the video to the night he fell ill/was raped. And he is continuing to lie to Sami's face, implying that the sex depicted was consensual. He is lying to save his ass. Yes he doesn't want Sami to be angry with him, he doesn't want to do anything to jeopardize what they have by allowing the truth of his actions to come out, but that is not the same as love. That is self-preservation and survival. I am not going to make comments now about whether EJ really does love Sami or what that "love" means. That's not up to me to say. He probably does. But in this case, lying to cover his ass does not love equal. And perhaps he comes clean right away once Sami confront him tomorrow, which would be better than further digging himself into a corner and has redemptive/ameliorating merit. But up to this point, I feel at least the cover-up of the lie (of commission) is coming from a selfish place.
Even as an Ejami fan, I agree with all of this. EJ fucked up, plain and simple. Although I have a hard time buying he and Kristen are that close, we have always seen him desperately wanting some semblance of a family. Unfortunately for EJ, trying to create a family with the DiMeras is usually going to put him at odds with Sami. So yeah, EJ was stupid and decided to do something that could hurt his relationship in order to to help his sister. You could argue that he was being loving, but that love was definitely directed toward Kristen and not Sami in that instance. And, of course, it totally backfired on him. What's especially depressing for EJ is that Kristen made it pretty clear she wouldn't have taken the same risk for him. Anyway, Sami should be totally pissed. And even more pissed when she finds out he knew about the drugging too. I think it's a pretty major deal and should break them up for awhile. But I also think Sami could eventually forgive him because she knows she'd do the same thing to protect Eric or Brady if they did something to hurt EJ's family. It could provide a good longer arc for Ejami if they play it right, especially since the angst is stemming from the Brady vs. DiMera war that SHOULD continue to plague them. And as a non-Ejami fan I definitely agree with the bolded - putting myself in the mindset of a writer, the reveal should play out as a longer arc that susses out those conflicts that should plague them.
You may have just witnessed one of my most mature, least fanigrl shipper moments ever! Which probably isn't saying much :-/
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Nov 14 2013, 05:53 PM
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Really when did the light bulb came on in Brady's head. I don't think he has a lightbulb.
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Nov 14 2013, 05:56 PM
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!
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- Nov 14 2013, 03:14 PM
So Kristen makes her getaway. She's gone, gone, gone ... for now. Not to be forgotten for a quite a while though I suspect.
Loved how Roman was clearly on Nicole's side! Even Vic came to Nicole's 'rescue' ... LOL! The Brady/Nicole scene was very short but it covered everything that needed to be said between those two.
Love that EJ kept digging himself in deeper and deeper. If anything Kristen's confession to him and his agreement to keep it from Sami cements my belief that Sami means next to nothing to him. She's not a DiMera by blood consequently she will always come last to him. What ticks me off is that Sami is too dumb to figure that out for herself but then she deserves to live a long and miserable life with the likes of EJ.
Good scenes between Eric and Fr. Matt - at least Fr. Matt believes him ... too bad it's not going to save Eric's 'job' for him.
EJ's lies are not about choosing any Dimera over Sami, it was first about leaving things alone and hoping nothing would come of it and they all go on to live their lives and now it is trying to make sure his lie does not come out so he does not lose Sami. As always with EJ, its all about Sami and their love and life together.
Oh, well, that is not exactly true. One can maybe argue EJ was deeply conflicted and it's a hard thing to choose between the love and loyalty for your sister and the love for your fiance. And I have stated his decision to keep the secret was symptomatic or played on very real issues existing for EJami - if you are to admit them as a serious coupling that merits that consideration. They come from families that are, at this point, by nature at odds with each other, a fact that will probably continue to present them with various conflicts of interest and tests of trust. Such is couple angst. But in this case, EJ did choose to protect his sister over coming clean to Sami with information she could have used to protect or help her brother. He chose to keep Sami in the dark. And at the wedding, he tried to hush hush Eric from making very important connections that would relate the video to the night he fell ill/was raped. And he is continuing to lie to Sami's face, implying that the sex depicted was consensual. He is lying to save his ass. Yes he doesn't want Sami to be angry with him, he doesn't want to do anything to jeopardize what they have by allowing the truth of his actions to come out, but that is not the same as love. That is self-preservation and survival. I am not going to make comments now about whether EJ really does love Sami or what that "love" means. That's not up to me to say. He probably does. But in this case, lying to cover his ass does not love equal. And perhaps he comes clean right away once Sami confront him tomorrow, which would be better than further digging himself into a corner and has redemptive/ameliorating merit. But up to this point, I feel at least the cover-up of the lie (of commission) is coming from a selfish place.
Even as an Ejami fan, I agree with all of this. EJ fucked up, plain and simple. Although I have a hard time buying he and Kristen are that close, we have always seen him desperately wanting some semblance of a family. Unfortunately for EJ, trying to create a family with the DiMeras is usually going to put him at odds with Sami. So yeah, EJ was stupid and decided to do something that could hurt his relationship in order to to help his sister. You could argue that he was being loving, but that love was definitely directed toward Kristen and not Sami in that instance. And, of course, it totally backfired on him. What's especially depressing for EJ is that Kristen made it pretty clear she wouldn't have taken the same risk for him. Anyway, Sami should be totally pissed. And even more pissed when she finds out he knew about the drugging too. I think it's a pretty major deal and should break them up for awhile. But I also think Sami could eventually forgive him because she knows she'd do the same thing to protect Eric or Brady if they did something to hurt EJ's family. It could provide a good longer arc for Ejami if they play it right, especially since the angst is stemming from the Brady vs. DiMera war that SHOULD continue to plague them. On bolded, this is where I think this show fails or writes in a vacuum. They should have build up the closeness more.....from the very beginning....and not just token throw away scenes, but a real commitment by both of them to show that they had this connection......but they failed at doing that....if we would have had Ej at least 3 or 4 months before Kristen came to town say that he visited Kristen right before he came to Salem or something...that he spent time living with her or what not...at least it could have worked to cement this supposed 'closeness' between them enough to have him pick Kristen's side over Sami.....
and what I meant about the selfishness is that he was thinking about HIS OWN happiness too.....over Sami's or anyone else except maybe Kristen's...
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Nov 14 2013, 05:56 PM
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- Panda Panda
- Nov 14 2013, 01:43 PM
- Rosebud
- Nov 14 2013, 01:40 PM
Fr Matt asks Eric if he has proof he was drugged and he says no? Isn't Nicole a witness to how sick he was? Didn't he almost die? Wouldn't they have records of the incident at the hospital?
No, there were no drugs found in Eric's system so there's no way to prove he was actually drugged. So how do they explain his illness? SOMETHING happened to him.
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Nov 14 2013, 06:01 PM
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.
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- Nov 14 2013, 05:44 PM
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- Nov 14 2013, 03:23 PM
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- Nov 14 2013, 03:14 PM
So Kristen makes her getaway. She's gone, gone, gone ... for now. Not to be forgotten for a quite a while though I suspect.
Loved how Roman was clearly on Nicole's side! Even Vic came to Nicole's 'rescue' ... LOL! The Brady/Nicole scene was very short but it covered everything that needed to be said between those two.
Love that EJ kept digging himself in deeper and deeper. If anything Kristen's confession to him and his agreement to keep it from Sami cements my belief that Sami means next to nothing to him. She's not a DiMera by blood consequently she will always come last to him. What ticks me off is that Sami is too dumb to figure that out for herself but then she deserves to live a long and miserable life with the likes of EJ.
Good scenes between Eric and Fr. Matt - at least Fr. Matt believes him ... too bad it's not going to save Eric's 'job' for him.
EJ's lies are not about choosing any Dimera over Sami, it was first about leaving things alone and hoping nothing would come of it and they all go on to live their lives and now it is trying to make sure his lie does not come out so he does not lose Sami. As always with EJ, its all about Sami and their love and life together.
Oh, well, that is not exactly true. One can maybe argue EJ was deeply conflicted and it's a hard thing to choose between the love and loyalty for your sister and the love for your fiance. And I have stated his decision to keep the secret was symptomatic or played on very real issues existing for EJami - if you are to admit them as a serious coupling that merits that consideration. They come from families that are, at this point, by nature at odds with each other, a fact that will probably continue to present them with various conflicts of interest and tests of trust. Such is couple angst. But in this case, EJ did choose to protect his sister over coming clean to Sami with information she could have used to protect or help her brother. He chose to keep Sami in the dark. And at the wedding, he tried to hush hush Eric from making very important connections that would relate the video to the night he fell ill/was raped. And he is continuing to lie to Sami's face, implying that the sex depicted was consensual. He is lying to save his ass. Yes he doesn't want Sami to be angry with him, he doesn't want to do anything to jeopardize what they have by allowing the truth of his actions to come out, but that is not the same as love. That is self-preservation and survival. I am not going to make comments now about whether EJ really does love Sami or what that "love" means. That's not up to me to say. He probably does. But in this case, lying to cover his ass does not love equal. And perhaps he comes clean right away once Sami confront him tomorrow, which would be better than further digging himself into a corner and has redemptive/ameliorating merit. But up to this point, I feel at least the cover-up of the lie (of commission) is coming from a selfish place.
Even as an Ejami fan, I agree with all of this. EJ fucked up, plain and simple. Although I have a hard time buying he and Kristen are that close, we have always seen him desperately wanting some semblance of a family. Unfortunately for EJ, trying to create a family with the DiMeras is usually going to put him at odds with Sami. So yeah, EJ was stupid and decided to do something that could hurt his relationship in order to to help his sister. You could argue that he was being loving, but that love was definitely directed toward Kristen and not Sami in that instance. And, of course, it totally backfired on him. What's especially depressing for EJ is that Kristen made it pretty clear she wouldn't have taken the same risk for him. Anyway, Sami should be totally pissed. And even more pissed when she finds out he knew about the drugging too. I think it's a pretty major deal and should break them up for awhile. But I also think Sami could eventually forgive him because she knows she'd do the same thing to protect Eric or Brady if they did something to hurt EJ's family. It could provide a good longer arc for Ejami if they play it right, especially since the angst is stemming from the Brady vs. DiMera war that SHOULD continue to plague them. I agree with both of you but will say that I feel like EJ's decision to lie (or not tell Sami about it) in the beginning stemmed more from his hope that Kristen's assurance that she had destroyed all the evidence and could not get caught was true more than any real desire to protect Kristen. Ultimately, I think EJ knew that Sami would (rightfully) blow a gasket and things would get ugly for everyone for a long time to come when he told her - and so he took the coward's way out and hoped it would never come to light.
Of course, he exacerbated the problem 10 fold when it did come out and he continued to dig his grave by not coming clean about what he'd found out and making it clear it was just earlier that same day. Sami still would have been initially pissed but given that she had walked in on EJ and Kristen's argument and could see that EJ was pissed at Kristen I think she would have come around much sooner to understanding the predicament he was in. Eventually. :laugh:
But yeah...EJ definitely screwed up. And it looks like he'll continue to for at least a while. I don't think it has anything to do with choosing Kristen over Sami or a lack of love for Sami - I think he just gambled with the hope that it would never come to light. Which, given his history with big, scandalous secrets, was an idiotic choice to make. :shrug:
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