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Friday, November 15th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Nov 15 2013, 02:02 AM (24,744 Views)
Laufeyson
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tomsawyer
Nov 17 2013, 12:13 AM
Rosebud
Nov 17 2013, 12:07 AM
phloe3
Nov 16 2013, 11:27 PM
GV is playing a priest. He's not suppose to be touching Nicole or acting like he desires her. On GH, he had tons of sexual chemistry with Kmo
Then I have to ask, what's the point?
The point is Ericole is not at that stage yet. The point is building a long-term story arc. The point is love stories are even better when they take time to tell them.
I agree.
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Laufeyson
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tomsawyer
Nov 17 2013, 12:02 AM
I don't think Eric is asexual at all. He's just not overtly sexual, which makes complete sense given his profession. He and Nicole have had minor, fleeting moments of sexual chemistry... he holds her hand a beat more than he should, their eyes connect for a little longer than they need to, etc. These moments are minor and fleeting, which is EXACTLY how they should be. Not only does it makes sense since he's a priest, but it also creates genuine anticipation on the part of the viewers - something soaps rarely do nowadays.
I do remember a scene where they were in the rectory and Nicole had her back to him and he was looking at her like he wanted to devour her. I felt the heat in those fleeting moments. He is still currently a priest and he was a dedicated one at that so it makes sense for him not to entertain any romantic entanglements with her or anybody else but this is Nicole a woman his first love, he's compartmentalizing everything.
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Rosebud
Nov 17 2013, 12:14 AM
lysie
Nov 17 2013, 12:05 AM
AFaithL
Nov 16 2013, 11:33 PM
phloe3
Nov 16 2013, 11:27 PM
GV is playing a priest. He's not suppose to be touching Nicole or acting like he desires her.
Well where's the fun in an "asexual" Eric?

It's not interesting or appealing as a viewer.
It's more fun than the people who just jump into bed with the next woman that walks in the door, IMO. If they'd already had sex by now, they'd be like every other boring couple in Salem. Instead, they're not even a couple yet and there's a constant thread of will it happen or won't it happen. It's a tease. If Eric were any different, it wouldn't make any sense and there wouldn't be any angst for them to play.
It's a long way from them jumping into bed than my wanting to feel that chemistry. I did not expect or want to see them get physical on Friday's show. Not at all. But it would have created a moment if he had even started to reach to touch her forearm or shoulder, and didn't even touch her. She could have flinched if he had, and it wouldn't have been any kind if sexual touch, even just an attempt to reach out to her. It wouldn't even be conscious on his part. I guess I was waiting for that kind of magical moment and I didn't get it. Maybe it will happen, I don't know. :shrug:
But he did try to reach out to her and she did flinch, at least that's what I saw.
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Laufeyson
Nov 17 2013, 07:17 AM
But he did try to reach out to her and she did flinch, at least that's what I saw.
He absolutely did. And all along the way, there have been many incidents of lingering looks and touches from his side that weren't exactly priest-like. I just spent the last couple of weeks catching up on their story from the beginning of Greg Vaughan's scenes in order via You Tube and other clips, so it's all very fresh in my memory. The fantasy sequences have all been on her side, and we've definitely gotten a much better look at her POV so far, but there have been plenty of indications that Eric isn't immune to her sexual appeal. He's just determined to keep his vow to God, so he's sublimating those feelings.

Really, his attraction to Nicole is the least of his problems where his vocation is concerned at this point in the story, and that's reasonable. This isn't just a romance. It's a personal drama for both characters.

I personally enjoy the relaxed pacing of this storyline. It's been a while since the show took its own sweet time building and developing the groundwork for a relationship that can last a long time. They rush into too many relationships without build up. This is a lovely change of pace.
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pagraves
Nov 17 2013, 08:06 AM
Laufeyson
Nov 17 2013, 07:17 AM
But he did try to reach out to her and she did flinch, at least that's what I saw.
He absolutely did. And all along the way, there have been many incidents of lingering looks and touches from his side that weren't exactly priest-like. I just spent the last couple of weeks catching up on their story from the beginning of Greg Vaughan's scenes in order via You Tube and other clips, so it's all very fresh in my memory. The fantasy sequences have all been on her side, and we've definitely gotten a much better look at her POV so far, but there have been plenty of indications that Eric isn't immune to her sexual appeal. He's just determined to keep his vow to God, so he's sublimating those feelings.

Really, his attraction to Nicole is the least of his problems where his vocation is concerned at this point in the story, and that's reasonable. This isn't just a romance. It's a personal drama for both characters.

I personally enjoy the relaxed pacing of this storyline. It's been a while since the show took its own sweet time building and developing the groundwork for a relationship that can last a long time. They rush into too many relationships without build up. This is a lovely change of pace.
Agreed. I've mentioned before that if you watch those videos ouf of context, you could make a convincing case that Eric was sexually harassing Nicole, because he touches her and a lot more than necessary and gives her these little glances that make her uncomfortable.
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Ericole just continue to WOW me, really they do. I absolutely loved their scenes on Friday. AZ/GV play emotional torment so well. And yes, there were some quiet moments in their confrontation, but they were necessary, IMO. Why? They were each absorbing their own anguish/torment and how to deal with it. Nicole's still reeling from his accusations and Eric's dealing with the fact that he was drugged/assaulted, and on top of that, he's faced with the reality that he hurt Nicole. There are some serious trust issues that maybe both of them didn't realize existed. I can remember AZ's interview from awhile back where she said that something else would make Eric face his feelings. Of course, that something is the great reveal, at least to me. The church scandal is the catalyst that will place Eric and Nicole on the same playing field when it comes to their emotions. My man, Greg V is an eye-acting maven. Gosh...I could on and on all day with how he emotes so damn good with those gorgeous eyes of his. And he's hawt as all sin, too (Yes, I'm doing some serious GV fangirling, here :$). But, for so long, the Ericole has been played from Nicole's point-of-view. The ball is in his court now. With him being suspended from the church, he'll be faced to see himself as a man again, not a priest. And all his suppressed feelings, he won't be able to hide from them any longer or his love for Nicole. That's where the story lies for me, and I can't wait for the continuous angst that Ericole's dishing in huge doses.
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I just don't want some idiot to screw this story up. This is the first time in years that the show has purposely taken the old school route with a story, and I don't even think it was their intention from the get because they had him holding and smiling over her earring his first week in town. I think they accidently fell upon the slow train, saw fans' reactions, and then slowed it down some more. Whatever, I'm game. AZ and GV are playing it perfectly, IMO, and if GV were demonstrating all his hotness, who would take him seriously as a priest or in this storyline? Now is the time for viewers to get little glimpses into Eric's feelings for Nicole, maybe those inappropriate feelings the collar helped him keep concealed, even from himself. We've seen glimpses when he caught her with Vargas and the night she was going to go out clubbing, and now it's time we see more.

I can honestly say that this is the first time since Jack and Jennifer and the infamous firing from The Spectator that I am eagerly waiting to see just how two people are going to see each other again. Right now, I'm not worried about the bed or even the first kiss; I'm just holding my breath to see how they're going to act when they see each other again. My old school loving heart is more than pleased. :wub: :wub: :wub:
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lysie
Nov 16 2013, 09:47 PM
Well, this will surprise no one, but I couldn't even make it through this episode. I'm kind of pissed that they waited so long to have Eric face Nicole, because the momentum was already gone which led to the whole thing just being a big dull bore. I already find Gabi/Sonny/Will insufferable, so that certainly wasn't keeping me tuned in, and Abby/Jordan have nothing to pull me in either. Brady is just ridiculous and I want him to stop whining. And I'm frustrated with the Ejami stuff because it's not going to lead to anything, and while I was initially all for that, at this point it's just plain stupid that it's not going to cause more of a riff than it is. LOL. And now the next episode I'm going to watch has Patsy Pease in it. Sigh. It was a nice three days of Days viewing.
Oh, no. Already? So she's about to ruin my current viewing along with my 80s viewing?
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Nov 17 2013, 06:21 AM
KAM
Nov 16 2013, 08:33 PM
Rosebud
Nov 16 2013, 06:23 PM
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Nov 15 2013, 11:22 PM

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Does he not know that Marlena had no idea he was on that video? Surely Eric can understand she never would have done that if she had known. And now that he knows as personally as SHE knows how vicious Kristen is, he can understand why she wanted Brady away from Kristen. If he's mad at her still, I do not understand him AT ALL. :shrug:
I think son Eric knows his mother was unaware that he was on the video and she would never have shown it had she known. However, Father Eric said he was disgusted with her for playing any filthy sex video in the house of God. By Marlena choosing to out Kristen in his church while he was officiating as a priest, Father Eric believes she has not only desecrated the sanctuary but disregarded his own religious role there.

That's my take anyway.
Father Eric himself also played that filthy sex video again in the house of God, as soon as Marlena left. Even the so called Priest they turn into a hypocrite.
Of course reactions are subjective, but I didn't see Eric's playing of the video, the way he did it, as hypocritical. Once the video had been played there, the sanctuary was filled with its echoes. When Marlena played it, the purpose was shock value for Brady to see Kristen's destruction in front of a crowd. When Victor played it, the purpose was for people to see the destruction of Kristen's contention that Marlena had played a faked video. Father Eric was horrified by the first playing. He dazedly consented to the second playing while he tried to process the images with his memories. When Eric played it himself the third time, the crowd had gone from the sanctuary and Eric believed he was alone there with God. The purpose when Eric played it then was for him to see his own actions before God and begin to contemplate their consequences for his vocation as a priest.

Again, subjective, but not hypocritical to me. And actually, there are scriptural resonances in the three viewings with Peter's three denials of Christ. Intentional by the writers? IDK. Probably not. But still good advancement of the s/l theme, IMO.
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Eric didn't play that video a third time because he was turned on or to get his jollies. The man had just received video proof that he'd been raped. Not only that, he finally saw the face of his violator-- Kristen, who he had counseled and who was marrying his brother. He was shell shocked, if anything, and I didn't see him as a hypocrite.
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KAM
Nov 17 2013, 11:44 AM
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Nov 17 2013, 06:21 AM
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Nov 16 2013, 08:33 PM
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Nov 16 2013, 06:23 PM

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I think son Eric knows his mother was unaware that he was on the video and she would never have shown it had she known. However, Father Eric said he was disgusted with her for playing any filthy sex video in the house of God. By Marlena choosing to out Kristen in his church while he was officiating as a priest, Father Eric believes she has not only desecrated the sanctuary but disregarded his own religious role there.

That's my take anyway.
Father Eric himself also played that filthy sex video again in the house of God, as soon as Marlena left. Even the so called Priest they turn into a hypocrite.
Of course reactions are subjective, but I didn't see Eric's playing of the video, the way he did it, as hypocritical. Once the video had been played there, the sanctuary was filled with its echoes. When Marlena played it, the purpose was shock value for Brady to see Kristen's destruction in front of a crowd. When Victor played it, the purpose was for people to see the destruction of Kristen's contention that Marlena had played a faked video. Father Eric was horrified by the first playing. He dazedly consented to the second playing while he tried to process the images with his memories. When Eric played it himself the third time, the crowd had gone from the sanctuary and Eric believed he was alone there with God. The purpose when Eric played it then was for him to see his own actions before God and begin to contemplate their consequences for his vocation as a priest.

Again, subjective, but not hypocritical to me. And actually, there are scriptural resonances in the three viewings with Peter's three denials of Christ. Intentional by the writers? IDK. Probably not. But still good advancement of the s/l theme, IMO.
It's either he is against filthy sex video being played in the house of God or he is not. He cant be laying into Marlena about her playing it in the house of God one minute and the next minute he is playing it himself in the house of God. It shouldn't even matter how many times it was already played, as long as he was not responsible for playing it. If he wanted to see it again for whatever reason, he should have taken it outside the sanctuary and played it. And I certainly had no idea why he would want to watch it again, there was no dialogue to that fact. I assumed it was because he was still in disbelief and he had to see it one more time to assure himself that he was the one being raped by Kristen. I am aware it is all plot point, but they have the characters doing contradictory things, saying contradictory things, or being very hypocritical for the sake of their plots. To me, it spoils their story telling every time, and one of the main reason, I am left with not many characters that I care about.
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angie37
Nov 17 2013, 11:54 AM
Eric didn't play that video a third time because he was turned on or to get his jollies. The man had just received video proof that he'd been raped. Not only that, he finally saw the face of his violator-- Kristen, who he had counseled and who was marrying his brother. He was shell shocked, if anything, and I didn't see him as a hypocrite.
Eric can play the video as often as he likes, I have no problem with that. My problem was that I watched him shout at Marlena for playing filth in the house of God, then he himself went and did the exact same thing.
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Matt
Nov 15 2013, 01:24 PM
damn. even "dressed down" as Jordan, Chrishell Stause is still stunningly gorgeous
That's because it's "Hollywood homely". If she had to look like a real person with a real person's budget and concern for aesthetics, people would probably be saying how bad she looks and doesn't she know she's on a soap and everybody's supposed to be unrealistically plastic on a soap?!? etc etc.

Still waiting on Jordan's red dress moment.

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Sami almost had me in her corner today. I mean, theoretically she did, I liked the words written for her in the script, but man, Ali, if only Ali could learn how to raise her voice and not have it come out so cringingly bad. I appreciated some of her choices in theory, but she has so much trouble being natural when she's fighting or distraught.
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Nov 15 2013, 01:40 PM
How did this become about Dannifer?
I fucking laughed out loud when Hope stopped her actually important police business point blank to talk about ... Dannifer.

Please don't tell me that Dannifer isn't the most contrivedly pushed pairing currently on the show, because they so are. It's so blatantly obvious and yet TPTB are acting like the emperor has clothes on.
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lysie
Nov 16 2013, 09:55 PM
Oh, and Maggie/Daniel. You know, I know the history. But I also know that Maggie hasn't even shared eye contact with Marlena in, like, at least four years. So referring to Marlena and Eric as "my people" just doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. I mean, if she means so much to you, why don't you stop crying on her behalf all over town, and go see her. It just seems silly because it's not going to amount to anything.
Totally this! It was soooo pathetic! Maggie is certainly not one to not budge her way into anyone's house and blubber all over them. But good golly! "her people"?? Marlena? Contrived is what that was, imo.
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Lori
Nov 15 2013, 01:48 PM
Abby, instead of making friends how about graduating school and getting a life.
LOL, I actually am predisposed to look at friendships favorably on DAYS just because they take the focus off of pairings in progress and make the characters' social lives feel more normal (although I'm not yet convinced this will be about anything other than each woman pimping the other's current pairing, like Kristen and Jennifer ... right now I think it's also a tool to draw out more of Jordan's backstory, and just give Abby something to do because she has nothing, and on that note ...) -- but as for graduating, wasn't she in her last year of high school in 2006? I've known people who have taken longer than four years to graduate and I don't really get all judgy about it, but pushing 7 years is a little extreme. Unless she's supposed to be in a masters program or something ... They just need to decide on a career for Abby and stick with it. Give her a passion for something. I know the economic outlook for students entering the work force isn't what it was twenty years ago, but at least she could try things.

ETA: I'd totally be here for Abby unexpectedly crushing on Jordan. Obviously not what the writers have in mind at all, but. I'd be here for it.

six
Nov 15 2013, 02:17 PM
This is where there was a writing fail. EJ's actions would've been more believable and the angst would've had more impact if they had created more of a bond between Kristen and EJ.
Yes, although I think it would've been difficult to make them have a bond that would parallel the Sami and Eric bond. Sami and Eric grew up together, they were always close, that had been established repeatedly over years. Kristen and EJ just met when Kristen came back, and I had a hard enough time buying that he really was all that broken up about Lexie, so Kristen would've been even tougher a sell for me at least. They really couldn't do all that much unless, maybe, Kristen did something really high-risk and altruistic for EJ and it touched him. But it would be tough anyway given the lack of history between the two.

Keith
Nov 16 2013, 04:20 PM
Anyone else enjoying seeing Maggie the character make an appearance yesterday and today? It was a refreshing change from Maggie the Dan cheerleader. Even opposite Dan, the dialogue was just so much more substance than she usually gets.
I thought Suzanne did very nicely today and I was so surprised to enjoy a scene between her and Daniel. The relationship itself still means nothing to me but I thought the actress did well with what she had.
Edited by DesignatedShelley, Nov 17 2013, 02:36 PM.
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The way EJ talked to Sami today irked me. Rarely, do I yell at the tv but his tone towards her today was so wrong. He is lieing and trying to convince her she is wrong about Eric.

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Father Eric himself also played that filthy sex video again in the house of God, as soon as Marlena left. Even the so called Priest they turn into a hypocrite.
Of course reactions are subjective, but I didn't see Eric's playing of the video, the way he did it, as hypocritical. Once the video had been played there, the sanctuary was filled with its echoes. When Marlena played it, the purpose was shock value for Brady to see Kristen's destruction in front of a crowd. When Victor played it, the purpose was for people to see the destruction of Kristen's contention that Marlena had played a faked video. Father Eric was horrified by the first playing. He dazedly consented to the second playing while he tried to process the images with his memories. When Eric played it himself the third time, the crowd had gone from the sanctuary and Eric believed he was alone there with God. The purpose when Eric played it then was for him to see his own actions before God and begin to contemplate their consequences for his vocation as a priest.

Again, subjective, but not hypocritical to me. And actually, there are scriptural resonances in the three viewings with Peter's three denials of Christ. Intentional by the writers? IDK. Probably not. But still good advancement of the s/l theme, IMO.
It's either he is against filthy sex video being played in the house of God or he is not. He cant be laying into Marlena about her playing it in the house of God one minute and the next minute he is playing it himself in the house of God. It shouldn't even matter how many times it was already played, as long as he was not responsible for playing it. If he wanted to see it again for whatever reason, he should have taken it outside the sanctuary and played it. And I certainly had no idea why he would want to watch it again, there was no dialogue to that fact. I assumed it was because he was still in disbelief and he had to see it one more time to assure himself that he was the one being raped by Kristen. I am aware it is all plot point, but they have the characters doing contradictory things, saying contradictory things, or being very hypocritical for the sake of their plots. To me, it spoils their story telling every time, and one of the main reason, I am left with not many characters that I care about.
You are right that there was no dialogue explaining why Eric played the video again when he was by himself. It was left to each viewer to have a subjective response to the character's actions. You "assumed it was because he was still in disbelief and he had to see it one more time to assure himself that he was the one being raped by Kristen." I believe that he had already made that determination without a doubt after the second viewing, when he screamed at Kristen and charged toward her, before being punched by Brady. To me, Eric's first two viewings were about Kristen's identity and the reality of the sex from his nightmare. When he played the video while alone in the sanctuary, I saw him as just beginning to focus on himself and what he had done without knowing it. And to me, since he's a priest, that's a question that he has to search his soul about in front of God. So he might as well begin his questioning and penance where he feels closest to God. I had that subjective impression based on the character portrayal thus far, and the looks on Eric's face, in his eyes.

So I don't see the writers making Eric hypocritical in character or contradictory in action. To me, he can still be angry at Marlena's actions, because her and Victor's motivation was public humiliation and character destruction of another person through unholy spectacle in a holy place. I believe Eric would have been angry at Marlena even if he had not been on the video. As it is, he feels not only anger but profound hurt towards his mother's actions. As deep as it is now, I do not think he will feel that what she did is 'unforgivable.' He just won't accept her comfort right away.

Again to each his own reaction. If you are disappointed with the show or this character, maybe there will be something 'redemptive' coming up that will make it better for you. I hope so, because I think this s/l is about as good as DOOL is going to get. :)
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Nov 15 2013, 08:48 PM
yulyndi
Nov 15 2013, 08:04 PM
Hi all, new to DR and read a post talking about waiting till 6pm to watch Days on YouTube - looked all over for it, but couldn't find it. Would some kind soul please point me in the right direction?
Hi,

It doesn't all get posted, but here's Eric/Nicole,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_0Pw2MCe00&feature=c4-overview&list=UUu_N5jPS5NdU3fknvi8mo_Q

Thanks for the post. I loved the Ericole stuff - but it is such a letdown to have it followed up by Eric/Sami and Daniel/Nicole. Eric and Nicole are MAGIC together. I love angsty stuff, and these two are giving it to us in droves! They have such a fantastic chemistry. I really hope Nicole doesn't give in and doesn't forgive him and makes him pay for his douchey ways.

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Ok, I finally got a chance to watch this. Heavens to BETSY, Ericole is ripping me apart. Beautiful, touching, painful in a beautiful way to watch.
And I enjoyed the EJami fight. That was good! What the hell happened there?
I just want to take Eric home and feed him ice cream and cookies.
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