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DR Day of Days Interview with Eric Martsolf; Combined with "John's mother" thread
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Who wrote that Santeen horror story?
The HW was Hogan Shaeffer.
I think Hogan Sheffer most certainly had his fingerprints on the pornstache part of Santeen as HW. Although most of that trash took place during the DOOL ficore mess from the WGA strike, before Sheffer was fired, and I think it was hard to tell who did what back then.

But I'm pretty sure Dena Higley was responsible for the Santeen part about John's parentage. Shirley Jones did not appear to do the death bed reveal scenes until after Higley was credited as HW. I recall one of Sheffer's fired staff writers blogging that John was on a plane to Ireland and the writer now had no idea what would happen when John got there. I also seem to remember Corday saying Higley got the job because she had done much of the work on the s/l and had a great idea for its resolution. :blink:
Not to mention, Sheffer was stuck in between a rock and a hard place because he wasn't allowed to write what he wanted to write, and for who. The storyline was just boring as hell, before it started to suck when Dena took over.
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Yeah. Nothing flimsy about the Stefano vs. Roman origin story. The man came to Salem plotting to take over the town. He was grandiose from the get go, trying to gather potential wives for himself and his sons. Roman was his foil. So he became obsessed with killing him. But his other children got involved with other Bradys (Enter: Megan, who Stefano blamed Hope for killing). Then the RoJohn stuff came in, mostly without Stefano even around. It just snowballed. It never needed Santeen, which was an abomination.
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The HW was Hogan Shaeffer.
I think Hogan Sheffer most certainly had his fingerprints on the pornstache part of Santeen as HW. Although most of that trash took place during the DOOL ficore mess from the WGA strike, before Sheffer was fired, and I think it was hard to tell who did what back then.

But I'm pretty sure Dena Higley was responsible for the Santeen part about John's parentage. Shirley Jones did not appear to do the death bed reveal scenes until after Higley was credited as HW. I recall one of Sheffer's fired staff writers blogging that John was on a plane to Ireland and the writer now had no idea what would happen when John got there. I also seem to remember Corday saying Higley got the job because she had done much of the work on the s/l and had a great idea for its resolution. :blink:
Not to mention, Sheffer was stuck in between a rock and a hard place because he wasn't allowed to write what he wanted to write, and for who. The storyline was just boring as hell, before it started to suck when Dena took over.
This is why I don't blame the writers. I still think the story would have been fine if he'd had more leeway to do things the way he wanted to.

Although, to DH's credit, that plane crash was pretty good.

I still think the Stefano story needed more. At this point, the man has had a hand in nearly every bad thing that ever happened to the Bradys and I appreciate the writers trying to do something to fix things.
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I think it was a good idea to rewrite the root of the Dimera/Brady feud, because the original story was a flimsy explanation for a 30 year long story. Days should have just stuck with the initial story that Pete Brady killed santeen.
There was never any reason to make up a Brady-DiMera feud origins story. We saw the origin as it happened. Stefano was a criminal who came to Salem and was investigated by Roman Brady. It was as simple as that. Santeen ranks right up there with the stupidest stories that Days has ever done. If the writers are really fixing that mess then I am very pleased.
Who wrote that Santeen horror story?
The HW was Hogan Shaeffer.
Thank you!
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And I just realized, if (IF!) the Brady/Theresa theory is true, this will be the second time Eric Martsolf falls for a Theresa on a soap :wub: Lol.
Oh, is that the reason they changed her name to Theresa? :whistle:
Haha! I have no idea where they got "Theresa" from. The only thing that I could ever think of was that the writers figured it would be too confusing to have a "Jeannie" and a "Jen" in the same story. Although, if the audience can keep up with a show that has a "John" and a "Johnny", a "Gabi" and an "Abby", an "EJ" and a "JJ", and a character whose first name is also the last name of half the town (Brady), I really don't see the problem with having a Jeannie and a Jennifer, lol.
LOL! And bit players called Marge and Martha (with a Maggie)!

I don't know who comes up with the names on this show but I dislike pretty much any of the new ones. I think they simply gave Jeanie a new name because they didn't want the audience to know who she was... And were hoping we would all be super duper surprised when we found out who she really was. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Who wrote that Santeen horror story?
The HW was Hogan Shaeffer.
I think Hogan Sheffer most certainly had his fingerprints on the pornstache part of Santeen as HW. Although most of that trash took place during the DOOL ficore mess from the WGA strike, before Sheffer was fired, and I think it was hard to tell who did what back then.

But I'm pretty sure Dena Higley was responsible for the Santeen part about John's parentage. Shirley Jones did not appear to do the death bed reveal scenes until after Higley was credited as HW. I recall one of Sheffer's fired staff writers blogging that John was on a plane to Ireland and the writer now had no idea what would happen when John got there. I also seem to remember Corday saying Higley got the job because she had done much of the work on the s/l and had a great idea for its resolution. :blink:
Hmmm, interesting. Thanks! I think i had that all blocked out of my brain. Higley is a nightmare!
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Yeah. Nothing flimsy about the Stefano vs. Roman origin story. The man came to Salem plotting to take over the town. He was grandiose from the get go, trying to gather potential wives for himself and his sons. Roman was his foil. So he became obsessed with killing him. But his other children got involved with other Bradys (Enter: Megan, who Stefano blamed Hope for killing). Then the RoJohn stuff came in, mostly without Stefano even around. It just snowballed. It never needed Santeen, which was an abomination.
I thought it was good as it was, it didn't need more of an explanation. Stefano became a man obsessed because of it. And then it snowballed because of everything else that happened. Then he became obsessed with Marlena. Stefano was this presence, he never needed to be there, but it was fun when he was.
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Yeah. Nothing flimsy about the Stefano vs. Roman origin story. The man came to Salem plotting to take over the town. He was grandiose from the get go, trying to gather potential wives for himself and his sons. Roman was his foil. So he became obsessed with killing him. But his other children got involved with other Bradys (Enter: Megan, who Stefano blamed Hope for killing). Then the RoJohn stuff came in, mostly without Stefano even around. It just snowballed. It never needed Santeen, which was an abomination.
I thought it was good as it was, it didn't need more of an explanation. Stefano became a man obsessed because of it. And then it snowballed because of everything else that happened. Then he became obsessed with Marlena. Stefano was this presence, he never needed to be there, but it was fun when he was.
Exactly. Don't get the need for more. They just failed to 'upkeep' with the real history over the years.
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The HW was Hogan Shaeffer.
I think Hogan Sheffer most certainly had his fingerprints on the pornstache part of Santeen as HW. Although most of that trash took place during the DOOL ficore mess from the WGA strike, before Sheffer was fired, and I think it was hard to tell who did what back then.

But I'm pretty sure Dena Higley was responsible for the Santeen part about John's parentage. Shirley Jones did not appear to do the death bed reveal scenes until after Higley was credited as HW. I recall one of Sheffer's fired staff writers blogging that John was on a plane to Ireland and the writer now had no idea what would happen when John got there. I also seem to remember Corday saying Higley got the job because she had done much of the work on the s/l and had a great idea for its resolution. :blink:
Not to mention, Sheffer was stuck in between a rock and a hard place because he wasn't allowed to write what he wanted to write, and for who. The storyline was just boring as hell, before it started to suck when Dena took over.
Oh gawd, remember those boring scenes with John and Marlena and Bo and Hope sitting around at the pub reading those nauseating Santo/Colleen letters?
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Yeah. Nothing flimsy about the Stefano vs. Roman origin story. The man came to Salem plotting to take over the town. He was grandiose from the get go, trying to gather potential wives for himself and his sons. Roman was his foil. So he became obsessed with killing him. But his other children got involved with other Bradys (Enter: Megan, who Stefano blamed Hope for killing). Then the RoJohn stuff came in, mostly without Stefano even around. It just snowballed. It never needed Santeen, which was an abomination.
I thought it was good as it was, it didn't need more of an explanation. Stefano became a man obsessed because of it. And then it snowballed because of everything else that happened. Then he became obsessed with Marlena. Stefano was this presence, he never needed to be there, but it was fun when he was.
Ahhh, Stefano was the grand puppet master! His mere existence spawned so many great stories!
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I think Hogan Sheffer most certainly had his fingerprints on the pornstache part of Santeen as HW. Although most of that trash took place during the DOOL ficore mess from the WGA strike, before Sheffer was fired, and I think it was hard to tell who did what back then.

But I'm pretty sure Dena Higley was responsible for the Santeen part about John's parentage. Shirley Jones did not appear to do the death bed reveal scenes until after Higley was credited as HW. I recall one of Sheffer's fired staff writers blogging that John was on a plane to Ireland and the writer now had no idea what would happen when John got there. I also seem to remember Corday saying Higley got the job because she had done much of the work on the s/l and had a great idea for its resolution. :blink:
Not to mention, Sheffer was stuck in between a rock and a hard place because he wasn't allowed to write what he wanted to write, and for who. The storyline was just boring as hell, before it started to suck when Dena took over.
Oh gawd, remember those boring scenes with John and Marlena and Bo and Hope sitting around at the pub reading those nauseating Santo/Colleen letters?
Yes, oh God. I mean, J&M had cute moments, but that was just D&D trying to give us some crumbs.
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I still think the Stefano story needed more. At this point, the man has had a hand in nearly every bad thing that ever happened to the Bradys and I appreciate the writers trying to do something to fix things.
What Stefano story? Can you be a little more specific? Stefano has always had a motive, some of them might have been stupid but there has always been one.
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I think everything was fine up to the point that Roman was "killed." But then he took the twins, he engineered everything with the Pawn, he started torturing RoJohn using things that mattered to Roman, it turned out that he was behind Marlena and Steve's "deaths." It was just too much.
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I think everything was fine up to the point that Roman was "killed." But then he took the twins, he engineered everything with the Pawn, he started torturing RoJohn using things that mattered to Roman, it turned out that he was behind Marlena and Steve's "deaths." It was just too much.
Why?

Marlena he considered his enemy and said she was more his match than Roman after Roman's "death". Then she attempted to kill him. Him being a puppetmaster behind Orpheus has never been terribly surprising. Using one of Roman's enemies in the ISA and probably promising monetary comfort.

And Steve...well, I've always hated that there was no explanation of the Lawrence to Stefano transaction, or even acknowledgment of it -- though Bo and Steve had a scene where Bo mentioned dirty Larry -- but as tyhe story progressed, Stefano gained new enemies. He loathed Steve and Kayla for Benjy turning against him. Stefano was originally targeting the Hortons until Roman got in his way.

What the "Stefano story" needed was not a new explanation. It just needed to remember how and why everything has snowballed over 30 years.
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I think everything was fine up to the point that Roman was "killed." But then he took the twins, he engineered everything with the Pawn, he started torturing RoJohn using things that mattered to Roman, it turned out that he was behind Marlena and Steve's "deaths." It was just too much.
Why?

Marlena he considered his enemy and said she was more his match than Roman after Roman's "death". Then she attempted to kill him. Him being a puppetmaster behind Orpheus has never been terribly surprising. Using one of Roman's enemies in the ISA and probably promising monetary comfort.

And Steve...well, I've always hated that there was no explanation of the Lawrence to Stefano transaction, or even acknowledgment of it -- though Bo and Steve had a scene where Bo mentioned dirty Larry -- but as tyhe story progressed, Stefano gained new enemies. He loathed Steve and Kayla for Benjy turning against him. Stefano was originally targeting the Hortons until Roman got in his way.

What the "Stefano story" needed was not a new explanation. It just needed to remember how and why everything has snowballed over 30 years.
You really are right about history and how it could have easily been built upon. I'm not the biggest fan of the 1988 island storyline, but it did a great job in establishing a basis for why Stefano would hate the other Bradys. He already hated Roman and Marlena from his prior runs and Bo and Hope from the prism/Megan storylines. But that storyline also gave him grounds to hate Steve and Kayla for turning Benjy against him, and to hate Shane and Kim for frustrating his plans, turning RoJohn from being a pawn, and for getting Drew to turn against Stefano. (People also forget that Shane and Kim were involved in the prism storyline and Shane was Roman's superior, so there probably was even more history between him and Stefano.) So the entire retcon about Shawn's family and Santeen is just silly.
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I think everything was fine up to the point that Roman was "killed." But then he took the twins, he engineered everything with the Pawn, he started torturing RoJohn using things that mattered to Roman, it turned out that he was behind Marlena and Steve's "deaths." It was just too much.
Why?

Marlena he considered his enemy and said she was more his match than Roman after Roman's "death". Then she attempted to kill him. Him being a puppetmaster behind Orpheus has never been terribly surprising. Using one of Roman's enemies in the ISA and probably promising monetary comfort.

And Steve...well, I've always hated that there was no explanation of the Lawrence to Stefano transaction, or even acknowledgment of it -- though Bo and Steve had a scene where Bo mentioned dirty Larry -- but as tyhe story progressed, Stefano gained new enemies. He loathed Steve and Kayla for Benjy turning against him. Stefano was originally targeting the Hortons until Roman got in his way.

What the "Stefano story" needed was not a new explanation. It just needed to remember how and why everything has snowballed over 30 years.
You really are right about history and how it could have easily been built upon. I'm not the biggest fan of the 1988 island storyline, but it did a great job in establishing a basis for why Stefano would hate the other Bradys. He already hated Roman and Marlena from his prior runs and Bo and Hope from the prism/Megan storylines. But that storyline also gave him grounds to hate Steve and Kayla for turning Benjy against him, and to hate Shane and Kim for frustrating his plans, turning RoJohn from being a pawn, and for getting Drew to turn against Stefano. (People also forget that Shane and Kim were involved in the prism storyline and Shane was Roman's superior, so there probably was even more history between him and Stefano.) So the entire retcon about Shawn's family and Santeen is just silly.
Yeah. It may seem ridiculous to some that he hates all the Bradys, but he did it all without needing his father's *ahem* vendetta. And it didn't happen all at once. Different things happened to HIM or his children to make him want revenge. First, Roman's investigation. Then Megan's murder by Larry Welch but blamed on Bo and Hope. Later came the prisms with Shane in the mix. The slasher was around the same time and Andre was running around in a Roman mask. Then came the island and Roman's "death". That was the beginning.

Then came the Pawn story. Stefano was gone at this point. Orpheus came into the picture. Marlena got taken away. Fast forward to the island story of '88. We had Drew "Iago", the reveal of Shane's choice between "Roman" and his brother who wound up being the enemy for a time, the kidnapping of Carrie. There was even the haunting of "Roman" by having the hints of Marlena being there while he had moved on with Diana. And of course just before that story took off, there was Steve and Kayla's honeymoon and meeting Benjy. At this point, Stefano knew Kayla as Roman's sister. When they mixed it up with Benjy and turned him against his father, Stefan was furious. Plus, Benjy added another hate angle for "Roman" and also John later, because it was his fault that Benjy lost his hearing (in Stefano's eyes).

In the end, Stefano has had a reason to hate every one of the original Brady siblings (sans Frankie and Max). Not because he just hated the Bradys. But because each did something to him over the years to have them added to his hit list. You know, like a crime boss would do.

I also hated Stefano weeping over Santo. JM is a great actor, but Stefano is not a character we want to see crying. He can show vulnerability and has over the years, but when you realize how many of his children he's pissed to the wind and barely shed a tear over, it reads false. Stefano doesn't cry; he rants, plays Opera and chess, and then he gets even.
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I think everything was fine up to the point that Roman was "killed." But then he took the twins, he engineered everything with the Pawn, he started torturing RoJohn using things that mattered to Roman, it turned out that he was behind Marlena and Steve's "deaths." It was just too much.
Why?

Marlena he considered his enemy and said she was more his match than Roman after Roman's "death". Then she attempted to kill him. Him being a puppetmaster behind Orpheus has never been terribly surprising. Using one of Roman's enemies in the ISA and probably promising monetary comfort.

And Steve...well, I've always hated that there was no explanation of the Lawrence to Stefano transaction, or even acknowledgment of it -- though Bo and Steve had a scene where Bo mentioned dirty Larry -- but as tyhe story progressed, Stefano gained new enemies. He loathed Steve and Kayla for Benjy turning against him. Stefano was originally targeting the Hortons until Roman got in his way.

What the "Stefano story" needed was not a new explanation. It just needed to remember how and why everything has snowballed over 30 years.
Well, first up, we're clearly not going to agree on whether or not the Stefano story needed a new explanation. I feel that having him shift his focus to Marlena was just a way to keep dragging the rivalry out. The Orpheus story was already fine without making Stefano the mastermind behind it all. As was the Steve story. When Stefano started becoming responsible for nearly every terrible thing that ever happened to the family, it made him seem way too OTT.
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I think everything was fine up to the point that Roman was "killed." But then he took the twins, he engineered everything with the Pawn, he started torturing RoJohn using things that mattered to Roman, it turned out that he was behind Marlena and Steve's "deaths." It was just too much.
Why?

Marlena he considered his enemy and said she was more his match than Roman after Roman's "death". Then she attempted to kill him. Him being a puppetmaster behind Orpheus has never been terribly surprising. Using one of Roman's enemies in the ISA and probably promising monetary comfort.

And Steve...well, I've always hated that there was no explanation of the Lawrence to Stefano transaction, or even acknowledgment of it -- though Bo and Steve had a scene where Bo mentioned dirty Larry -- but as tyhe story progressed, Stefano gained new enemies. He loathed Steve and Kayla for Benjy turning against him. Stefano was originally targeting the Hortons until Roman got in his way.

What the "Stefano story" needed was not a new explanation. It just needed to remember how and why everything has snowballed over 30 years.
Well, first up, we're clearly not going to agree on whether or not the Stefano story needed a new explanation. I feel that having him shift his focus to Marlena was just a way to keep dragging the rivalry out. The Orpheus story was already fine without making Stefano the mastermind behind it all. As was the Steve story. When Stefano started becoming responsible for nearly every terrible thing that ever happened to the family, it made him seem way too OTT.
That's fair. I mean, I would have been glad if the Orpheus, Ernesto, and Lawrence stories had remained intact without Stefano eventually connected. Its just a surprising way for things to have gone, given history. And yes - we'll agree to disagree, of course. I can certainly agree that the show never did enough post-90s to continue to develop the reason for Stefano's hate of all of the Bradys. Half of them were gone for about 20 years so was no reason to remember them. Shane was kept fairly forward in the memory of viewers because of John's ISA connections, but otherwise the SKs and their connection to Stefano were largely forgotten - out of sight out of mind. And it eventually became a whitewash of Stefano hates the Bradys even before 'Vendetta'.
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Nov 17 2013, 10:58 AM
I think everything was fine up to the point that Roman was "killed." But then he took the twins, he engineered everything with the Pawn, he started torturing RoJohn using things that mattered to Roman, it turned out that he was behind Marlena and Steve's "deaths." It was just too much.
Why?

Marlena he considered his enemy and said she was more his match than Roman after Roman's "death". Then she attempted to kill him. Him being a puppetmaster behind Orpheus has never been terribly surprising. Using one of Roman's enemies in the ISA and probably promising monetary comfort.

And Steve...well, I've always hated that there was no explanation of the Lawrence to Stefano transaction, or even acknowledgment of it -- though Bo and Steve had a scene where Bo mentioned dirty Larry -- but as tyhe story progressed, Stefano gained new enemies. He loathed Steve and Kayla for Benjy turning against him. Stefano was originally targeting the Hortons until Roman got in his way.

What the "Stefano story" needed was not a new explanation. It just needed to remember how and why everything has snowballed over 30 years.
You really are right about history and how it could have easily been built upon. I'm not the biggest fan of the 1988 island storyline, but it did a great job in establishing a basis for why Stefano would hate the other Bradys. He already hated Roman and Marlena from his prior runs and Bo and Hope from the prism/Megan storylines. But that storyline also gave him grounds to hate Steve and Kayla for turning Benjy against him, and to hate Shane and Kim for frustrating his plans, turning RoJohn from being a pawn, and for getting Drew to turn against Stefano. (People also forget that Shane and Kim were involved in the prism storyline and Shane was Roman's superior, so there probably was even more history between him and Stefano.) So the entire retcon about Shawn's family and Santeen is just silly.
Yeah. It may seem ridiculous to some that he hates all the Bradys, but he did it all without needing his father's *ahem* vendetta. And it didn't happen all at once. Different things happened to HIM or his children to make him want revenge. First, Roman's investigation. Then Megan's murder by Larry Welch but blamed on Bo and Hope. Later came the prisms with Shane in the mix. The slasher was around the same time and Andre was running around in a Roman mask. Then came the island and Roman's "death". That was the beginning.

Then came the Pawn story. Stefano was gone at this point. Orpheus came into the picture. Marlena got taken away. Fast forward to the island story of '88. We had Drew "Iago", the reveal of Shane's choice between "Roman" and his brother who wound up being the enemy for a time, the kidnapping of Carrie. There was even the haunting of "Roman" by having the hints of Marlena being there while he had moved on with Diana. And of course just before that story took off, there was Steve and Kayla's honeymoon and meeting Benjy. At this point, Stefano knew Kayla as Roman's sister. When they mixed it up with Benjy and turned him against his father, Stefan was furious. Plus, Benjy added another hate angle for "Roman" and also John later, because it was his fault that Benjy lost his hearing (in Stefano's eyes).

In the end, Stefano has had a reason to hate every one of the original Brady siblings (sans Frankie and Max). Not because he just hated the Bradys. But because each did something to him over the years to have them added to his hit list. You know, like a crime boss would do.

I also hated Stefano weeping over Santo. JM is a great actor, but Stefano is not a character we want to see crying. He can show vulnerability and has over the years, but when you realize how many of his children he's pissed to the wind and barely shed a tear over, it reads false. Stefano doesn't cry; he rants, plays Opera and chess, and then he gets even.
ITA! And even if Stefano hadn't had legitimate reasons for hating most if the Brady's over the years, the wonderful nature of evil Stefano is his desire to play puppet master with people's lives. That's all you really need to understand who the man is and what his motivations are. Of course then you have some writers down the line that felt the need to change all that by making him an art collector/thief (the princess Gina and fr john crap), and semi-legitimate business owner (Elvis taking over his business crap), and the Santeen rewrite (worst if them all).
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Hated when they made John 1/2 Dimera and the fab four sitting around reading those letter was incredibly boring. So I a am looking forward to seeing how this storyline unfolds, I really hope it is good and FINALLY answers many of the question about John Black past, the last truly credible part of John past for me was that he was a priest who exorcised the devil from Marlena, everything else is just complete garbage~
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