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Tuesday, November 19th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Nov 19 2013, 12:11 AM (12,810 Views)
Ian H
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So just coz shes the mother, she can take Ari anytime, move anywhere she likes. forget about Will coz hes role as a father is not as important as Gabi??? really???
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Ciara, will you be so kind as to give us your thoughts on Dannifer, Saint Dan the Hobo, & Saint JenJen of the Salem Hortons?

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Well, if you feel THAT strongly about it, I won't force you to share. ;)
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I'm already on Team Gabi just from Sonny's remark at the end of the show. Sonny has ZERO say in Arianna's life - he and Will are not legally married ... he's not even a step-parent. Any decisions made should be made between Will and Gabi - Sonny shouldn't even be present.

I'm afraid Jen is right ... Theresa's not going to change and this little intervention is going to prove to be an exercise in futility. I think Theresa needs to serve time and even then I'm not sure that would be a wake up call for her.

Thank God Kate is going to get tangled up with Sami again because this storyline she's in right now is doing her no favours. She's coming off as beyond pathetic.

LOL - Got to love T!
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

Ian H
Nov 19 2013, 02:58 PM
Matt
Nov 19 2013, 02:52 PM
You damn well know if Will got some big career move as a writer in NYC and they wanted to move there with the baby & Gabi was opposed, they'd certain try to accuse Gabi of being selfish and of trying to use the baby to hold Will back from taking advantage of an amazing opportunity for him
Now you know this is a lie. No way Will would want to take Ari away from his mother. thats why they all live together.
We really don't know if it's a lie or not...as of now we've never had the situation occur...however.....since Will is Lucas and Sami's kid...and given his potential for impulsive decisions of his own...there is ALWAYS that possibility of him wanting to keep the child from her mother....so IMHO it's not so far fetched, inconceivable or even remote....it can happen and it might.
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Nov 19 2013, 02:58 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 02:56 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 02:48 PM
Ian H
Nov 19 2013, 02:36 PM
are you kidding me?? are u forgetting how Gabi was blackmailing Sonny about moving out with Ari. Will has the same parental rights as Gabi. Same!!!! if she wanted to go why not leave Ari with with Will. to me that's Selfish!!!!
Why should Gabi leave Ari with Will? Especially when infants tend to need their mothers more than their fathers during the first few years of their life.

Yeah, Gabi should have told Will about the offer (which she hasn't accepted yet) sooner, but that's no reason for Sonny and Will to try and act like Gabi's stealing her baby away from them.
Yeah, I mean, it's not like her lack of honesty and poor judgement has ever resulted in Will having the baby stolen from him before.

Oh wait...
That was all Nick's doing, not Gabi's. And if I remember correctly both Sonny and Will had plenty of opportunities to tell Gabi the truth about Nick, but they both chickened out at the last second.
Exactly. Don't blame Gabi for Will's lack of backbone.
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Nov 19 2013, 02:58 PM
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Ian H
Nov 19 2013, 02:36 PM
are you kidding me?? are u forgetting how Gabi was blackmailing Sonny about moving out with Ari. Will has the same parental rights as Gabi. Same!!!! if she wanted to go why not leave Ari with with Will. to me that's Selfish!!!!
Why should Gabi leave Ari with Will? Especially when infants tend to need their mothers more than their fathers during the first few years of their life.

Yeah, Gabi should have told Will about the offer (which she hasn't accepted yet) sooner, but that's no reason for Sonny and Will to try and act like Gabi's stealing her baby away from them.
Yeah, I mean, it's not like her lack of honesty and poor judgement has ever resulted in Will having the baby stolen from him before.

Oh wait...
That was all Nick's doing, not Gabi's. And if I remember correctly both Sonny and Will had plenty of opportunities to tell Gabi the truth about Nick, but they both chickened out at the last second.
Hence my comment about her poor judgement. The last time Gabi associated with Nick despite everybody else's misgivings she ended up kidnapped and in labor while the baby's father got a nice little hole in his chest and almost died. Regardless of the topic (modeling, politics, crunchy peanut butter or plain) she should not be sitting calmly in the town square taking Nick's advice about ANYTHING.
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Ian H
Nov 19 2013, 03:02 PM
So just coz shes the mother, she can take Ari anytime, move anywhere she likes. forget about Will coz hes role as a father is not as important as Gabi??? really???
She's not forgetting about Will AT ALL. She's taking into consideration the fact that she knows that they will want to still be able to see her whenever they want, which is why the travel accommodations part of her contract is so important to her.
Now, if Will wants to take Gabi to court over custody because she wants to move to NYC with Arianna, be my guest. Gabi will win primary custody, since there isn't a single thing she's done since Arianna was born that would show that she's an unfit mother. And the courts tend to give primary custody to the mother during custody battles.
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Nov 19 2013, 02:58 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 02:56 PM
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Ian H
Nov 19 2013, 02:36 PM
are you kidding me?? are u forgetting how Gabi was blackmailing Sonny about moving out with Ari. Will has the same parental rights as Gabi. Same!!!! if she wanted to go why not leave Ari with with Will. to me that's Selfish!!!!
Why should Gabi leave Ari with Will? Especially when infants tend to need their mothers more than their fathers during the first few years of their life.

Yeah, Gabi should have told Will about the offer (which she hasn't accepted yet) sooner, but that's no reason for Sonny and Will to try and act like Gabi's stealing her baby away from them.
Yeah, I mean, it's not like her lack of honesty and poor judgement has ever resulted in Will having the baby stolen from him before.

Oh wait...
That was all Nick's doing, not Gabi's. And if I remember correctly both Sonny and Will had plenty of opportunities to tell Gabi the truth about Nick, but they both chickened out at the last second.
Just for the sake of correction:
Nick told her that he had Will sign over his right to the baby because of something he had on him. Gabi argued and called it blackmail even but came around to Nick and did nothing.

Some of as consider that as bad as Nick. At that point she joined forces with Nick. I would love to have a friend who I supposedly share such a bond and love and go way back to stand by and let my child be stolen by their crazy husband. Such an amazing friendship her and Will have.
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Matt
Nov 19 2013, 02:57 PM
And one of the main reasons Gabi is even CONSIDERING the offer is because of all the included perks of paid travel back & forth to Salem & PAID travel for Will to & from NYC because of the baby! It's not like she's actively looking for a way to keep the baby away from Will. She's keeping Will's paternal interests in mind in regards to the big picture. IMO, she's being very mature & responsible about the entire situation. The only reason she hasn't said anything to Will about the possible move is because she wants to understand all of the pertinent information before she explains the offer in detail.
Could somebody point me to the scene with the paid travel for Will to visit NY. People keep mentioning it but I haven't seen it. Yesterday, Gabi said that they were payin for 12 flights to Salem per year (I would imagine they would be for her and Ari to visit) and that Will and Sonny could come to NY. Today, she told Nick that the agency was giving her time off so that she could visit with them when the came to NY. When did they say they were paying all of Will's travel expenses?
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SadieEsperanto
Nov 19 2013, 03:06 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 02:58 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 02:48 PM

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Yeah, I mean, it's not like her lack of honesty and poor judgement has ever resulted in Will having the baby stolen from him before.

Oh wait...
That was all Nick's doing, not Gabi's. And if I remember correctly both Sonny and Will had plenty of opportunities to tell Gabi the truth about Nick, but they both chickened out at the last second.
Hence my comment about her poor judgement. The last time Gabi associated with Nick despite everybody else's misgivings she ended up kidnapped and in labor while the baby's father got a nice little hole in his chest and almost died. Regardless of the topic (modeling, politics, crunchy peanut butter or plain) she should not be sitting calmly in the town square taking Nick's advice about ANYTHING.
Gabi's kidnapping had nothing to do with any poor judgement on her part. The kidnapper was a psycho ex-con who wanted to exact revenge on Nick after he was released from prison. If anyone is to blame for Gabi being kidnapped, it's Ciara, because she hid the prisoner release letter from Hope. Had Hope gotten that letter, she may have been able to protect Nick & Gabi from Jensen. Gabi is also not at fault for going into labor after being kidnapped, & she sure as hell is not at fault for Will getting shot after trying to play the hero instead of going to his grandfather, aunt/cousin (depending on which family tree you're using to determine relations), or ex-stepfather and letting them handle the situation.
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Ian H
Nov 19 2013, 03:02 PM
So just coz shes the mother, she can take Ari anytime, move anywhere she likes. forget about Will coz hes role as a father is not as important as Gabi??? really???
Who the hell is saying that? lol, No it's not okay to just take the baby without discussing some sort of arrangement with the other parent, but it's also not okay for Will & Sonny to team up against Gabi and bully her into leaving Ari/not take the job. They have no right to tell Gabi what job she can or cannot take, or how to live her life in benefit to Ari's.

They're not even giving her, the mother of the baby they love so much, the benefit of the doubt they're just automatically assuming that Gabi was planning to run away with Ari.
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badaddiction
Nov 19 2013, 02:54 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 02:48 PM
Ian H
Nov 19 2013, 02:36 PM
are you kidding me?? are u forgetting how Gabi was blackmailing Sonny about moving out with Ari. Will has the same parental rights as Gabi. Same!!!! if she wanted to go why not leave Ari with with Will. to me that's Selfish!!!!
Why should Gabi leave Ari with Will? Especially when infants tend to need their mothers more than their fathers during the first few years of their life.

Yeah, Gabi should have told Will about the offer (which she hasn't accepted yet) sooner, but that's no reason for Sonny and Will to try and act like Gabi's stealing her baby away from them.
And I really don't blame her for keeping the info to herself UNTIL she decides whether not to sign the contract. I mean once Will finds out, then of course the brigade who act as if Will is some delicate porcelain doll, e.g., Sonny who was just today bitching T out because he was teasing Will about Eric, and of course Sami.
They also doing it now with ej with lucas children.tomsell way when he pair someone that have children with someone else they put foucs on the romantic partner with the kids while sideline the other parnet.they did with rafe with all Sami kids when he was pair with Sami when fathers sideline and they also doing it now with ej when he pair with Sami with lucas kids while sideline lucas relrelationship with his kids.so sonny pair with will they put more foucs on him than Gabi.it seem they might do it also with Daniel and JJ
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Supergirlx2
Nov 19 2013, 03:12 PM
SadieEsperanto
Nov 19 2013, 03:06 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 02:58 PM
SadieEsperanto
Nov 19 2013, 02:56 PM

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That was all Nick's doing, not Gabi's. And if I remember correctly both Sonny and Will had plenty of opportunities to tell Gabi the truth about Nick, but they both chickened out at the last second.
Hence my comment about her poor judgement. The last time Gabi associated with Nick despite everybody else's misgivings she ended up kidnapped and in labor while the baby's father got a nice little hole in his chest and almost died. Regardless of the topic (modeling, politics, crunchy peanut butter or plain) she should not be sitting calmly in the town square taking Nick's advice about ANYTHING.
Gabi's kidnapping had nothing to do with any poor judgement on her part. The kidnapper was a psycho ex-con who wanted to exact revenge on Nick after he was released from prison. If anyone is to blame for Gabi being kidnapped, it's Ciara, because she hid the prisoner release letter from Hope. Had Hope gotten that letter, she may have been able to protect Nick & Gabi from Jensen. Gabi is also not at fault for going into labor after being kidnapped, & she sure as hell is not at fault for Will getting shot after trying to play the hero instead of going to his grandfather, aunt/cousin (depending on which family tree you're using to determine relations), or ex-stepfather and letting them handle the situation.
You're missing my point.

If Gabi had not been so desperate to be loved (a pattern for her, just ask Melanie) and pretend like everything in her life was perfect, she would not have married Nick - a man she knew to be unstable and violent, among other things. She would not have been a target for Jensen. Her repeated lack of common sense and self-awareness is what got her into that mess and yet there she was on today's episode, swallowing all of Nick's compliments like nothing bad has ever happened to her because of him. She's not right in the head.
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Nov 19 2013, 03:11 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 02:58 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 02:56 PM
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Yeah, I mean, it's not like her lack of honesty and poor judgement has ever resulted in Will having the baby stolen from him before.

Oh wait...
That was all Nick's doing, not Gabi's. And if I remember correctly both Sonny and Will had plenty of opportunities to tell Gabi the truth about Nick, but they both chickened out at the last second.
Just for the sake of correction:
Nick told her that he had Will sign over his right to the baby because of something he had on him. Gabi argued and called it blackmail even but came around to Nick and did nothing.

Some of as consider that as bad as Nick. At that point she joined forces with Nick. I would love to have a friend who I supposedly share such a bond and love and go way back to stand by and let my child be stolen by their crazy husband. Such an amazing friendship her and Will have.
Nick manipulated Gabi into thinking that it would be best for the baby and her if Will and his family weren't legally attached to baby. Even with all of that, Gabi still promised Will that she was going to do everything to keep him in his child's life. Nick had Gabi so wrapped around his little finger it was ridiculous.
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Let me preface this by saying that I'm not defending Sonny here. Of all of the parties here, he has little-to-no claim to AG.

BUT I'm kind of seeing him in the same light as Brady. He and Will spent a decent portion of the episode talking about how awesome this is for Gabi, how she has to take the job because it's such a great opportunity, etc. Didn't they get her a present too? I ffwded a lot today, but I thought Sonny was hiding it at one point. I think Sonny feels really stupid right now. He's not been a fan of Gabi's and he has put a lot into improving his friendship with her. I think he just feels like he's just been duped again by her.

Now if WilSon continues to tell Gabi what she can and can't do, that's something completely different and they need to back off. I do get Sonny's initial reaction, though.
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SadieEsperanto
Nov 19 2013, 03:20 PM
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Hence my comment about her poor judgement. The last time Gabi associated with Nick despite everybody else's misgivings she ended up kidnapped and in labor while the baby's father got a nice little hole in his chest and almost died. Regardless of the topic (modeling, politics, crunchy peanut butter or plain) she should not be sitting calmly in the town square taking Nick's advice about ANYTHING.
Gabi's kidnapping had nothing to do with any poor judgement on her part. The kidnapper was a psycho ex-con who wanted to exact revenge on Nick after he was released from prison. If anyone is to blame for Gabi being kidnapped, it's Ciara, because she hid the prisoner release letter from Hope. Had Hope gotten that letter, she may have been able to protect Nick & Gabi from Jensen. Gabi is also not at fault for going into labor after being kidnapped, & she sure as hell is not at fault for Will getting shot after trying to play the hero instead of going to his grandfather, aunt/cousin (depending on which family tree you're using to determine relations), or ex-stepfather and letting them handle the situation.
You're missing my point.

If Gabi had not been so desperate to be loved (a pattern for her, just ask Melanie) and pretend like everything in her life was perfect, she would not have married Nick - a man she knew to be unstable and violent, among other things. She would not have been a target for Jensen. Her repeated lack of common sense and self-awareness is what got her into that mess and yet there she was on today's episode, swallowing all of Nick's compliments like nothing bad has ever happened to her because of him. She's not right in the head.
So it's Gabi's fault that she fell in love with Nick?? We can't choose who we fall in love with. And if Nick were sooooo dangerous, his family would have intervened. Nick has only been violent while hyped up on drugs. He's not normally a violent person. I didn't realize it was a crime to take in compliments, even from people who had emotionally hurt you in the past.
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It easy to explain Gabi desperation for love since her first real boyfriend made her feel undesired(gay will)and she has off screen shitty mother that she have no seen for 4 years.
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JessicaLeigh
Nov 19 2013, 01:15 PM
This week has felt kind of slow for me so far. I think after the manic highs and lows of last week I'm having difficulty readjusting. Also, I need some Eric and Nicole. And, some Brady. Also, Marlena and Victor.
My thoughts exactly! I haven't seen today's show yet, but it sounds like it is about as good as yesterday; which for me was pretty boring.

I don't really care about what happens with Theresa (we already know she isn't going anywhere). Sami was annoying me so much yesterday. I don't care about Rafe and Jordan (yet anyway). Kate sucks now too. Dannifer doesn't interest me, and the whole thing with Gabi vs Wilson isn't that exciting either.

Last week was SO good. Now, I'm bored.


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Nov 19 2013, 03:03 PM
Ciara, will you be so kind as to give us your thoughts on Dannifer, Saint Dan the Hobo, & Saint JenJen of the Salem Hortons?

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Well, if you feel THAT strongly about it, I won't force you to share. ;)


Aww, poor Ciara. :wub: You don't have to talk about those bad people.

To quote Michael Fairman: "How much more of this Dannifer are we going to have to put up with?"

Shawn Christian: "What do you want me to do?"

MF: "I want you to end it and do something else." :lol:

I'm iffy about MF's objectivity, but I thought he was spot on with this one.

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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

It seems that Days had one good week of sweeps and then the rest of the month might be boring....the momentum it had last week is all but gone.....why is it so hard for this show to do something right for more than a week....Jesus Christ....
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