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Tuesday, November 19th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Nov 19 2013, 12:11 AM (12,809 Views)
Rosebud
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jb1183
Nov 19 2013, 02:53 PM
Rosebud
Nov 19 2013, 02:47 PM
Supergirlx2
Nov 19 2013, 02:09 PM
Matt
Nov 19 2013, 01:58 PM
ok. Sonny better step off before I beat his ass. He's started to annoy the fuck out of me
Sonny & Will both turn into complete asses whenever anything happens with Gabi that they don't like. First they bitched at her for being friends with Nick again & sleeping with him in "their" apartment. Now they're gonna bitch at her for not telling them that the modeling contract she's THINKING of signing is in NYC. If they took the time to LISTEN to her instead of jumping to conclusions, I'm sure Gabi would tell them everything she told Nick about how the agency was allowing her to take time off & fly to Salem & paying for Wilson to fly to NYC - all for ARIANNA's sake. Gabi really isn't being as selfish as Wilson are making her out to be. Also, I love how Gabi's apparently selfish for thinking about taking a job so she could support HER CHILD because the job isn't in Salem. Will would probably have a really good shot at finding a great contract writing job in NYC, if he wanted to move to NYC with Arianna.
Will & Sonny need to take those giant sticks out of their asses.
Not to mention how stupid they both are to think there are modeling jobs with big contracts in Salem, never considering it might be an out of town job.
Also not to mention that this is just what happens when a child has two parents who are not together as a couple. Negotiations have to be made in terms of living situations, etc. This is not a Sami situation of the mother trying to cut the father out of the child's life. You know if Will or Sonny had great opportunities out of town, they'd expect Gabi to accommodate their needs with regard to custody.
And why is it unthinkable that Gabi could simply leave the baby in Salem with Will for a time while she's starting the new job? And then the baby could spend a month with Gabi, then a month with Will, or summers with Gabi, or whatever. Don't millions of children do that kind of thing all over this country? Did Will and Gabi never consider these kind of things happening considering they aren't a conventional family?

The whole story is such a NON-STORY.
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Nov 19 2013, 03:26 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 03:11 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 02:58 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 02:56 PM

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That was all Nick's doing, not Gabi's. And if I remember correctly both Sonny and Will had plenty of opportunities to tell Gabi the truth about Nick, but they both chickened out at the last second.
Just for the sake of correction:
Nick told her that he had Will sign over his right to the baby because of something he had on him. Gabi argued and called it blackmail even but came around to Nick and did nothing.

Some of as consider that as bad as Nick. At that point she joined forces with Nick. I would love to have a friend who I supposedly share such a bond and love and go way back to stand by and let my child be stolen by their crazy husband. Such an amazing friendship her and Will have.
Nick manipulated Gabi into thinking that it would be best for the baby and her if Will and his family weren't legally attached to baby. Even with all of that, Gabi still promised Will that she was going to do everything to keep him in his child's life. Nick had Gabi so wrapped around his little finger it was ridiculous.
It is not going to look good on Gabi part that she didn't tell them about NYC. to will not having a back bone and not telling Gabi the truth about will when everything was going down. Nick would have given her a sob story about will trying to come between them and that he is the only person she should trust. Gabi is Ari mom that is a given but will and sonny loves that little girl every much. if Gabi goes to NYC will is going to miss out on a every important part of her life her first work walking for the first time. and Ari has family in Salem from uncles, aunts, grandparents to great- grandparents what about them. Gabi is going to visiting and every time will is going to have to say good bye to her.
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Matt
Nov 19 2013, 01:02 PM
did they redo the park set? it looks different
I think this was the lake set re-done, although I didn't hear the water effect they usually add in.
Edited by Jason47, Nov 19 2013, 03:45 PM.
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Matt
Nov 19 2013, 01:16 PM
can we get Brendan Coughlin on contract, please? we NEED more Tad Stevens!
Well, at least you got the second of your two wishes fulfilled!!
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kesha
Nov 19 2013, 03:42 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 03:26 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 03:11 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 02:58 PM

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Just for the sake of correction:
Nick told her that he had Will sign over his right to the baby because of something he had on him. Gabi argued and called it blackmail even but came around to Nick and did nothing.

Some of as consider that as bad as Nick. At that point she joined forces with Nick. I would love to have a friend who I supposedly share such a bond and love and go way back to stand by and let my child be stolen by their crazy husband. Such an amazing friendship her and Will have.
Nick manipulated Gabi into thinking that it would be best for the baby and her if Will and his family weren't legally attached to baby. Even with all of that, Gabi still promised Will that she was going to do everything to keep him in his child's life. Nick had Gabi so wrapped around his little finger it was ridiculous.
It is not going to look good on Gabi part that she didn't tell them about NYC. to will not having a back bone and not telling Gabi the truth about will when everything was going down. Nick would have given her a sob story about will trying to come between them and that he is the only person she should trust. Gabi is Ari mom that is a given but will and sonny loves that little girl every much. if Gabi goes to NYC will is going to miss out on a every important part of her life her first work walking for the first time. and Ari has family in Salem from uncles, aunts, grandparents to great- grandparents what about them. Gabi is going to visiting and every time will is going to have to say good bye to her.
Excluding the family part, most of what you said Will would be missing out on can also be applied to Gabi. And like I mentioned earlier, in terms of who the baby needs more at this point it would have to be Gabi. Ari is going to need Gabi, for now, more than she's going to need Will or Sonny.

I don't believe Gabi purposely hid the information from Will and Sonny, but wanted time to think about it more before she told them of the offer. Obviously that didn't happen because Sonny found the contract first.
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Nov 19 2013, 03:42 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 02:53 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 02:47 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 02:09 PM

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Not to mention how stupid they both are to think there are modeling jobs with big contracts in Salem, never considering it might be an out of town job.
Also not to mention that this is just what happens when a child has two parents who are not together as a couple. Negotiations have to be made in terms of living situations, etc. This is not a Sami situation of the mother trying to cut the father out of the child's life. You know if Will or Sonny had great opportunities out of town, they'd expect Gabi to accommodate their needs with regard to custody.
And why is it unthinkable that Gabi could simply leave the baby in Salem with Will for a time while she's starting the new job? And then the baby could spend a month with Gabi, then a month with Will, or summers with Gabi, or whatever. Don't millions of children do that kind of thing all over this country? Did Will and Gabi never consider these kind of things happening considering they aren't a conventional family?

The whole story is such a NON-STORY.
It will come off as selfish to will and sonny for not telling them. how will it look when it time for her to leave that she just takes her and leaves. I am not pushing that fact that she is doing this for her daughter she is going to earn a living that is great but who does she now in NYC, she just leaves the baby with a stranger. modeling is a cut throat industry sometime you make it sometime you don't. this is a soap opera it is not going to be that simple. having to say good bye to her daughter every time she leaves is going to be hard on both parties.
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six
Nov 19 2013, 01:42 PM
Aww, it's that old Grandma and baby Cheerios Christmas commercial. :wub:
00:41:28 00:30 05A GEN MILLS CHEERIOS

:)

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Ophelia
Nov 19 2013, 02:39 PM
Shane and Kim were before my time, but I loved seeing the Brady clan rounded it out a little.
Here's the whole Brady family together for Christmas 1991 (John is sad because he found out earlier in the year that he was John, not Roman). Watch as Sami, Eric, Max, Shawn Douglas and Andrew (Theresa's big brother) act out the Christmas Story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93kneq6gVeI
Edited by Jason47, Nov 19 2013, 03:58 PM.
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Reese
Nov 19 2013, 03:39 PM
Supergirlx2
Nov 19 2013, 03:03 PM
Ciara, will you be so kind as to give us your thoughts on Dannifer, Saint Dan the Hobo, & Saint JenJen of the Salem Hortons?

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Well, if you feel THAT strongly about it, I won't force you to share. ;)


Aww, poor Ciara. :wub: You don't have to talk about those bad people.

To quote Michael Fairman: "How much more of this Dannifer are we going to have to put up with?"

Shawn Christian: "What do you want me to do?"

MF: "I want you to end it and do something else." :lol:

I'm iffy about MF's objectivity, but I thought he was spot on with this one.

her stink eye at the end of the GIF is epic!
I'm not the biggest fan of Michael Fairman, but i LOVE him telling Shawn that he wants Fetch over & done with.
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Nov 19 2013, 03:42 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 02:53 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 02:47 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 02:09 PM

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Not to mention how stupid they both are to think there are modeling jobs with big contracts in Salem, never considering it might be an out of town job.
Also not to mention that this is just what happens when a child has two parents who are not together as a couple. Negotiations have to be made in terms of living situations, etc. This is not a Sami situation of the mother trying to cut the father out of the child's life. You know if Will or Sonny had great opportunities out of town, they'd expect Gabi to accommodate their needs with regard to custody.
And why is it unthinkable that Gabi could simply leave the baby in Salem with Will for a time while she's starting the new job? And then the baby could spend a month with Gabi, then a month with Will, or summers with Gabi, or whatever. Don't millions of children do that kind of thing all over this country? Did Will and Gabi never consider these kind of things happening considering they aren't a conventional family?

The whole story is such a NON-STORY.
this is what I just realized about this storyline that its true is a non story the real story is Nick's obsession with Gabi and getting her away from Salem so they be a family together with Ari without people nagging on her about being with nick. I understand that Gabi was lonely but starting a relationship with nick again after everything that went down was not such a good idea on her part. lets say she goes to NYC with Ari because her and will cut an agreement, this is where nick plans is I think his plan will fail she will be modeling which means she will be surrounded by a lot of hot guys and now that she is not with nick someone catches her eye. but I would not put it pass nick to threaten that person in someone way to get her all to himself.
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kesha
Nov 19 2013, 03:48 PM
Rosebud
Nov 19 2013, 03:42 PM
jb1183
Nov 19 2013, 02:53 PM
Rosebud
Nov 19 2013, 02:47 PM

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Also not to mention that this is just what happens when a child has two parents who are not together as a couple. Negotiations have to be made in terms of living situations, etc. This is not a Sami situation of the mother trying to cut the father out of the child's life. You know if Will or Sonny had great opportunities out of town, they'd expect Gabi to accommodate their needs with regard to custody.
And why is it unthinkable that Gabi could simply leave the baby in Salem with Will for a time while she's starting the new job? And then the baby could spend a month with Gabi, then a month with Will, or summers with Gabi, or whatever. Don't millions of children do that kind of thing all over this country? Did Will and Gabi never consider these kind of things happening considering they aren't a conventional family?

The whole story is such a NON-STORY.
It will come off as selfish to will and sonny for not telling them. how will it look when it time for her to leave that she just takes her and leaves. I am not pushing that fact that she is doing this for her daughter she is going to earn a living that is great but who does she now in NYC, she just leaves the baby with a stranger. modeling is a cut throat industry sometime you make it sometime you don't. this is a soap opera it is not going to be that simple. having to say good bye to her daughter every time she leaves is going to be hard on both parties.
Then Will and Gabi shouldn't have had unprotected sex. Life isn't easy.
Edited by Rosebud, Nov 19 2013, 04:01 PM.
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Nov 19 2013, 02:56 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 02:48 PM
Ian H
Nov 19 2013, 02:36 PM
are you kidding me?? are u forgetting how Gabi was blackmailing Sonny about moving out with Ari. Will has the same parental rights as Gabi. Same!!!! if she wanted to go why not leave Ari with with Will. to me that's Selfish!!!!
Why should Gabi leave Ari with Will? Especially when infants tend to need their mothers more than their fathers during the first few years of their life.

Yeah, Gabi should have told Will about the offer (which she hasn't accepted yet) sooner, but that's no reason for Sonny and Will to try and act like Gabi's stealing her baby away from them.
Yeah, I mean, it's not like her lack of honesty and poor judgement has ever resulted in Will having the baby stolen from him before.

Oh wait...
???????

When did Arianna get stolen from Will?

Are you referring to that moment in time when Will was happy to keep his parentage of Arianna a secret so that it didn't upset Sonny?
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Nov 19 2013, 03:56 PM
Ophelia
Nov 19 2013, 02:39 PM
Shane and Kim were before my time, but I loved seeing the Brady clan rounded it out a little.
Here's the whole Brady family together for Christmas 1991 (John is sad because he found out earlier in the year that he was John, not Roman). Watch as Sami, Eric, Max, Shawn Douglas and Andrew (Theresa's big brother) act out the Christmas Story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93kneq6gVeI
Aww, what a nice scene :wub2: Thanks for posting that, Jason!
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Nov 19 2013, 04:08 PM
Aww, what a nice scene :wub2: Thanks for posting that, Jason!
I always get in the Christmas spirit in November, so I'll probably be posting more Christmas videos on my Facebook page throughout the next 5 weeks!! :)
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J&M and Family Fanatic!

Jason47
Nov 19 2013, 03:56 PM
Ophelia
Nov 19 2013, 02:39 PM
Shane and Kim were before my time, but I loved seeing the Brady clan rounded it out a little.
Here's the whole Brady family together for Christmas 1991 (John is sad because he found out earlier in the year that he was John, not Roman). Watch as Sami, Eric, Max, Shawn Douglas and Andrew (Theresa's big brother) act out the Christmas Story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93kneq6gVeI
It's funny how that scene reminds us that Shawn-D was much closer in age to Sami and Eric than Belle who hadn't even been conceived yet.
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Nov 19 2013, 04:03 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 02:56 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 02:36 PM
are you kidding me?? are u forgetting how Gabi was blackmailing Sonny about moving out with Ari. Will has the same parental rights as Gabi. Same!!!! if she wanted to go why not leave Ari with with Will. to me that's Selfish!!!!
Why should Gabi leave Ari with Will? Especially when infants tend to need their mothers more than their fathers during the first few years of their life.

Yeah, Gabi should have told Will about the offer (which she hasn't accepted yet) sooner, but that's no reason for Sonny and Will to try and act like Gabi's stealing her baby away from them.
Yeah, I mean, it's not like her lack of honesty and poor judgement has ever resulted in Will having the baby stolen from him before.

Oh wait...
???????

When did Arianna get stolen from Will?

Are you referring to that moment in time when Will was happy to keep his parentage of Arianna a secret so that it didn't upset Sonny?
What I saw was a Will who had been nothing but supportive of Gabi's choices, whether to keep the baby or not even to the point of offering to marry her, be at first pressured, then bullied and then outright blackmailed into giving up his child. Yes, Will could have been less easy for Nick to manipulate and was at first relieved to be free of the responsibility, but Gabi - who was written pretty inconsistently at the time - at least a few times fully went along with Nick's pressuring and manipulating of Will, including outright participating in Nick's pressuring. All the while, the show wrote in a vile subtext about people who give up their children for adoption as being cowards and selfish, when the opposite it true. Two unmarried college students with no means of support, not in a relationship, one of them just having come out as gay ....well, it would have been totally irresponsible for either of them to entertain that keeping the baby was the only thing a good person would do.

As for this situation, I see both sides. But I also think a single woman shouldn't bring a baby to New York City while she pursues a modeling career - crazy hours, travel and not enough money (and Gabi is no supermodel who can afford a nanny and a place on the east side). But hopefully, they can work something out.
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Nov 19 2013, 02:13 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 01:45 PM
This is why Eve should be here. Standing up for her little sis and not giving one damn about St. Jenn's thoughts or feelings.
OMG. I would so TOTALLY be here for a short or long-term run by Charlotte Ross as Eve Donovan, Theresa's protector & confidante who doesn't give 2 fucks about St. Jennifer (who she's NEVER liked anyway!). IMO, Charlotte Ross returning would be almost as epic for me as Eileen Davidson returning. That's just exactly how much I fucking LOVED Eve.
I can't simply like this post. I have to :hail: to it.

Seriously, Eve was my favorite bad girl back in the day. I loved Kristen, but she was so campy by the end of her run. Eve, on the other hand, was just the deliciously vicious little bitch that you can find in any high school across America. She really was the the original mean girl.
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

tomsawyer
Nov 19 2013, 04:37 PM
Matt
Nov 19 2013, 02:13 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 01:45 PM
This is why Eve should be here. Standing up for her little sis and not giving one damn about St. Jenn's thoughts or feelings.
OMG. I would so TOTALLY be here for a short or long-term run by Charlotte Ross as Eve Donovan, Theresa's protector & confidante who doesn't give 2 fucks about St. Jennifer (who she's NEVER liked anyway!). IMO, Charlotte Ross returning would be almost as epic for me as Eileen Davidson returning. That's just exactly how much I fucking LOVED Eve.
I can't simply like this post. I have to :hail: to it.

Seriously, Eve was my favorite bad girl back in the day. I loved Kristen, but she was so campy by the end of her run. Eve, on the other hand, was just the deliciously vicious little bitch that you can find in any high school across America. She really was the the original mean girl.
IDK why they didn't bring her back with her Kim and Shane now and had Kim and Shane entrust her to stay in Salem when they leave, to look after her younger sister....it would have been a great way to reintroduce the character back on the canvas....and it would be another female in the much needed 35-45 set (with a shady not so nice girl background) that isn't necessarily related to a Horton or Dimera or anything...she could date various men on canvas. Plus if they would land Charlotte Ross again that would be perfection...she's so good and she would have been an absolute perfect fit now that the other looney bird Kristen is gone.
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Tad was the only bright spot to this episode for me. The rest...as great as it was to see Shane and Kim back yesterday it feels like all the dramatic momentum from the Bristen wedding implosion has come to a screeching halt. And Will and Jennifer's reactions to that seem off to me. Just feels like we should be seeing more shock and horror from them.

I also feel that Jennifer should have been a little less harsh towards Theresa today. Yes, she was a horrible employee but considering that JJ came this close to serving jail time I felt she showed very little compassion for Shane and Kim, especially considering how close the Bradys and Hortons have always been. It was almost like she barely acknowledged them in their scenes when she should be empathizing with them. I would much rather instead of Jennifer deciding Theresa's fate we had Jennifer talking with Shane and Kim about how hard it is when your child is involved with drugs. Would have fit the history of the show better too.
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Kate. I'm going to need you to be the grown ass woman you are and start not giving a fuck about this high school shit. It's embarrassing.

Fuck.
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