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Tuesday, November 19th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Nov 19 2013, 12:11 AM (12,807 Views)
JDeveraux_91
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I only caught bits and pieces of today's show and I'm wondering if it's been established that Kim and Shane are together as a couple? Are they strictly putting on a united front as parents or are they definitely back together? I know they left town together a couple of years ago to start over, but this show loves to ignore history and try to make you forget about things that happened onscreen. Just wondering!
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Shane said Kim was his wife, so it sounds like they're still together. Although I guess they could technically be separated... :shrug:
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Sable Colby
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Dear Dannifer,

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Sincerely,

Me
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jb1183
Nov 19 2013, 07:17 PM
Contrived plot point and lazy writing!
This answer could also explain the problem with Dannifer.

I'm not a Daniel hater. I loathed him with Chelsea, but his other relationships haven't bothered me, until Jennifer. They have negative chemistry, if that's possible. I'm not against Jennifer finding new love, and I'm not even against Daniel in theory. But they don't spark enough, and the crazy, contrived conflicts the writers have come up with to keep them apart come across as desperate attempts to breathe life into a moribund pairing.

Split them up and try them with different partners. Together, they just don't work. And please, stop shoving Daniel's "virtues" down our throats. If he has worth, he isn't going to need to be pimped for the viewers to see it. They'd do better to highlight his flaws - the real ones, not the contrived ones that come out of misunderstandings like this latest Theresa thing. We'd like him a lot better if he had real enemies and real detractors who have ample reason to feel the way they do. Don't marginalize Lucas and his resentments; put him front and center. Let that conflict affect Maggie, since she and Lucas are old friends.

And while I'm ranting, Daniel would be a bloody fool to take Jennifer back when this is all over. She believed, on mighty flimsy evidence, the very worst of him thanks to the secret he's keeping about Theresa and JJ. I'd love for the truth to come out and Jennifer to come to Daniel and try to apologize, only for him to tell her coldly, "If you really believed I would sleep with Theresa just to hurt you, you don't know me at all. Good bye." /doorslam

Okay, rant over.
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six
Nov 19 2013, 07:35 PM
Shane said Kim was his wife, so it sounds like they're still together. Although I guess they could technically be separated... :shrug:
She was listed as Kimberly Donovan in the credits this week. She's been listed as Brady and Collier in past appearances, so it looks like, based on the credits, they are married again.
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Daniel had great chemistry with Chloe and Nicole. He sucked with others, but he has had some decent leading ladies, and I'm not going to apologize for liking his chemistry with them.
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Kinay


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Nov 19 2013, 07:15 PM
And I'm just putting this out there, but if it came down to choosing between living in a strange city or Salem; I would choose the strange city.

We all know Salem is a disaster and barely safe for anyone to live there, lol.
You got that right! The streets of New York are much safer for Ari than at Grandma's house.
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Jason47
Nov 19 2013, 07:59 PM
six
Nov 19 2013, 07:35 PM
Shane said Kim was his wife, so it sounds like they're still together. Although I guess they could technically be separated... :shrug:
She was listed as Kimberly Donovan in the credits this week. She's been listed as Brady and Collier in past appearances, so it looks like, based on the credits, they are married again.
It is weird, though, because in one interview they said that Days told them specifically not to wear wedding rings. :shrug:
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Matt
Nov 19 2013, 02:44 PM
I'm getting really tired of Sonny thinking he has some sort of special claim to Arianna or special right to tell Gabi what to do just because he's buttfucking Will.
I am not sure what to say about this.
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Panda Panda
Nov 19 2013, 03:26 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 03:11 PM
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Nov 19 2013, 02:58 PM
SadieEsperanto
Nov 19 2013, 02:56 PM

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That was all Nick's doing, not Gabi's. And if I remember correctly both Sonny and Will had plenty of opportunities to tell Gabi the truth about Nick, but they both chickened out at the last second.
Just for the sake of correction:
Nick told her that he had Will sign over his right to the baby because of something he had on him. Gabi argued and called it blackmail even but came around to Nick and did nothing.

Some of as consider that as bad as Nick. At that point she joined forces with Nick. I would love to have a friend who I supposedly share such a bond and love and go way back to stand by and let my child be stolen by their crazy husband. Such an amazing friendship her and Will have.
Nick manipulated Gabi into thinking that it would be best for the baby and her if Will and his family weren't legally attached to baby. Even with all of that, Gabi still promised Will that she was going to do everything to keep him in his child's life. Nick had Gabi so wrapped around his little finger it was ridiculous.
It is not because Gabi cared about Will or was concerned about her crazy homophobic husband separating her unborn child from her father, but because Gabi is always interested in presenting herself as a good person. Will always defended her and took all the blame for everything but she made everyone think that Will manipulated her to consider abortion. Everytime I see Gabi, I get triggered. She reminds me of a former high school classmate of mine.
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jb1183
Nov 19 2013, 07:15 PM
AFaithL
Nov 19 2013, 06:14 PM
See, I am the opposite. I enjoy Shawn Christian/Daniel....and think Jennifer sucks the life out of HIM. Not the other way around. I have enjoyed him in other pairings, but I don't enjoy watching her at all...
And I think they suck the life out of EACH OTHER. I can take or leave both characters most of the time, but they are both at their absolute worst with each other. They're absolutely painful to watch and I have no idea what the writers' obsession with them is.
Agreed. Daniel and Jennifer are absolutely horrible together--the very worst versions of themselves. Part of the problem is they share many of the same faults: smugness, self-righteousness, hypocrisy, and a tendency to judge others and play the martyr. It's bad enough when one character has those qualities, but both halves of a couple? Unappealing as hell.

It's easier to identify the main problem with Daniel. He's a textbook Gary Stu, one of the biggest I've encountered outside of fan fiction in years. Endlessly propped, fawned over, and held up as just the bestest guy evah by almost everybody. His flaws are whitewashed, excused, or blamed on someone else. Laws of time, logic, continuity, and reproductive science are consistently warped to give him family connections on the show. And those who dislike him are invariably shown to be petty, jealous, vindictive, or eeeeeeevil. And either they must be taught the error of their ways, be severely punished, or shoved off to the sidelines so their viewpoint can be marginalized or dismissed.

It's difficult and more painful to witness Jennifer's unpleasant transformation. For much of her third run, she's swung between two extremes: a weak, needy, ineffectual hand-wringer who disintegrates into a sniveling heap when she can't get her Daniel "fix" and an obsessively jealous, stalking, screeching harpy who's constantly inserting herself into Daniel's business and tearing into any woman who might be considered competition for the Orange One's affections. The way she "hates" Theresa now is the way she "hated" Nicole last year and Chloe last spring. And she doesn't even have a verbal filter anymore because she's constantly badmouthing her rivals in public, ranting to anyone who'll listen about how evil, manipulative, and unworthy of Daniel they are and how she can't stand them. She's so over the top about these other women that it's downright scary. The show will likely never go there, but to me, Insanely Jealous Jennifer is a breakdown waiting to happen. And it may be the only way to redeem her in the long run: have her break down, recover at Bayview, and realize that her obsession with all things Daniel was due to mental illness. She can then decide to start over, accept the termination of that dead-end relationship, leave that equally dead-end PR job she does so ineptly, and return to journalism. The redemption arc practically writes itself.
Edited by Romancer66, Nov 19 2013, 09:22 PM.
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Matt
Nov 19 2013, 02:21 PM
I clearly missed the scene where Sonny shot baby Arianna out of his ass into Gabi's arms while she merely assisted with the delivery. Sonny truly is acting like everyone accused Rafe of acting in regards to Johnny & Sydney and EJ.
I think they both overstepped. They need to form a club. Or get married and adopt a kid so they can finally have a right to a say in a child's life.
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Since it appears to be a once or twice a week occurrence, I'd appreciate a little more effort given to building the relationship between Rafe and Jordan. I would hope that football talk and a cookie share haven't depleted their creative bank. I would gladly have sacrificed yet another Here's Doctor Dan segment to hit more beats for them. I felt what was presented today lacked effort.

An extreme response at the end from Sonny to Gabi, but then that stirs up emotion. I'm sure Sonny views Will and the baby as his family, but I lean toward this is something that should be handled by Gabi and Will exclusively. Sonny needs to bow out and let Will be the one in charge. Gabi should never have called the agency without discussing it with Will. She needs to be a responsible and respectable parent. I've always liked how supportive Will and Gabi have been of each other throughout their relationship and although bumps are inevitable I'd like to see that foundation stick.

I really wish Shane could come back in ISA mode. I miss the super spy.

The whole thing about bringing Jennifer into Teresa's intervention as a deciding factor was annoying. Then again I didn't find much to hold my attention with the entire scenario anyway.

T is a delightful charmer in his scenes. I think they are using him perfectly.

Kate must have stolen Ej's tracking device and put it to good use on Rafe's wheelchair. Eerie how she was able to skulk out from behind the trees like that. Hope her heels didn't sink in the mud.

Considering Jordan hasn't shown any sign of foul play or tampering with Rafe's rehabilitation Kate's accusations should have Jordan looking at her as if she's a crazy woman. Of course she doesn't know the possessive lengths Kate's willing to go. But, I do like that although Jordan is obviously concerned she doesn't fear Kate or cower before her.

Although brief I did enjoy Rafe grabbing Jordan's hand and refusing to release it. Those two really have electric smiles and they played it perfectly....and Kate in the shadows made it a classic soap moment.

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Finally watched the episode. Here are my thoughts:

Kate: woman, have some respect. First, Rafe is not that interesting. He was a booty call, so let it go. Second, don't you have a supposed high power job as an executive of a major cosmetic company, (although, I am not sure how major it is since it's most profitable products come out from Nick's laptop, not a lab)? Why are you acting like a teenager?

WilSon v Gabi: I dislike this s/l so much. It is going to show my boys in a bad light when it doesn't need to. Shared custody is very common but I guess they're three young people surrounded by choas. And Sonny, not cool calling Gabi a bitch. I dislike her very much but that was really uncalled for.

Daniffer: Why? But at least I can FF so I don't have a lot of complain.
Teresa's intervention: her parents are assholes. No wonder she has problems. Who subjects their emotionally unstable daughter to that kind of humiliation.
:badmood:
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Well. I only watched Brady/Donovan stuff today, and WOW. It was terrible. Nothing to do with the actors. The whole story revolving around Jeannie's drug use is pretty bad anyway. Jennifer's response to Jeannie (y'all. I'm not even calling her that on purpose. I just see Shane and Kayla and their daughter's name is Jeannie) was absolutely HORRENDOUS. Who talks to someone like that in front of their entire family? Just. Ugh. I will watch scenes like that regardless of the writing because this is the kind of family stuff I like, but that was some really horrible writing on showcase today.
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#SorryNotSorry

I just can't with "You never OD'd before!" Pretty sure the intervening should be happening before that point.
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Sigh....Will and Gabi are two peas in a pod actually. They're both pushovers. Gabi is dense and easily manipulated and Will is too scared to stand up for himself. That why we have Nick pulling Gabi's strings and Sonny speaking for Will. Both Nick and Sonny need to stay out of it.

Let's start with Gabi. How stupid does one have to be not to question this miraculous modeling contract that came out of no where!? I mean, seriously Gabi - you haven't sought out any modeling work in over a year and find it believable that a big time NY modeling agency could fall out of the sky and offer you your dream job? Not only that, construct a contract that caters to your every need? Did you not wonder HOW IN THE HELL this Sparkle bitch knew your life story AND your baby's name!? Any one with a lick of sense would have a thousand questions.

And Will, if he had bigger balls, he would have told Nick to stick his "genius" ideas up his ass, AND he would have done his due diligence and got his legal ducks in a row early on when it came to that baby. And he should have manned up and told Sonny and his family from the get go.

If Gabi had gotten this modeling contract on her own, then I would be saying that she and Will need to simply sit down and work out a custody agreement. Even if she did end up moving to New York. BUT, we all know that's not the case. We all know Nick is pulling the strings and his ultimate goal is to manipulate Gabi into cutting Will out his child's life. Everyone defending Gabi's rights seem to conveniently leave that ugly truth out of their debates.
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granolagirl
Nov 19 2013, 10:14 PM
I just can't with "You never OD'd before!" Pretty sure the intervening should be happening before that point.
I know! I feel awful saying this, but I laughed out loud when she said that because I thought the very same thing!

Oh and can I just mourn the fact that our two week sweep vacay appears to be over with the return of mopey, angsty Dannifer??? :yuk:
Edited by PALMommy, Nov 19 2013, 10:26 PM.
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I don't know where the Jennifer I admired is.

It isn't that Theresa should be her favorite person. I wouldn't expect that, given Theresa's behavior. But Jennifer has never shown a smidgen of concern that Theresa almost died. Death is pretty permanent. The Jennifer I knew would have shown some compassion, in spite of the difficulties between them. Theresa was a big irritant...so?

And Jennifer's so sure she's right...telling Kayla that she doesn't think Theresa will turn it around. But she was a troubled young woman herself...and JJ's done all kinds of stuff and no one blinks about giving HIM a second and a third chance. Abby tried to break up a MARRIAGE and she got a second chance from everybody.

At least leave the Bradys with a little hope, Jennifer.

The Jennifer I admired would have tried to do that.

Edited by Kriss4, Nov 19 2013, 11:03 PM.
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Sweet and Salty


Cute cake!!

Nick is perfection!

Jennifer? A VOTE in anything JeannieT? What?
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