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Spoilers for the week of December 2nd; *updated 11/24*
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Sami is no Marlena. Her stompin' truck driver boots can never fill those shoes!
Whereas Marlena never did anything for me. Too self righteous for my taste. I realize I'm in the minority here, but I'd root for Kristen before Marlena just because of that. I never cared much for saintly characters, therefore I'm often disappointed lol.
I have nothing against Marlena and sure she can bring something on this show, the question is more, is she a super interesting character? In my opinion, no. Iconic or whatever for viewers who grew up with the show but would a new viewer really think that she is exciting? I do not think so but it does not mean it's true :) What I mean is that you can not rely on old references it does not work that way in this industry where everything is fast and viewer demand more than what they may have done before. I wonder that maybe it's a difference between old and new viewer-starting what they want to see? What do you think? Marlena is very interesting. She's in the top 3 of interesting characters to me. And I certainly would prefer her in a front burner story over Sami.
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. I read another spoiler about Brady going to a crack house Damn that's dark. Let's hope he doesn't end up like Whitney Houston..
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Sami is no Marlena. Her stompin' truck driver boots can never fill those shoes!
Whereas Marlena never did anything for me. Too self righteous for my taste. I realize I'm in the minority here, but I'd root for Kristen before Marlena just because of that. I never cared much for saintly characters, therefore I'm often disappointed lol.
I have nothing against Marlena and sure she can bring something on this show, the question is more, is she a super interesting character? In my opinion, no. Iconic or whatever for viewers who grew up with the show but would a new viewer really think that she is exciting? I do not think so but it does not mean it's true :) What I mean is that you can not rely on old references it does not work that way in this industry where everything is fast and viewer demand more than what they may have done before. I wonder that maybe it's a difference between old and new viewer-starting what they want to see? What do you think? I think that your view of how "the industry" works is pretty much always flat out wrong. This is daytime, not primetime. The goal is to keep viewers. The show is more likely to bring back old viewers than it is to gain new viewers. In daytime, "icon" status and history is pretty important because a big point of a soap is to have familiarity. These shows have been on for decades, and long term characters used in any capacity are part of what keeps the audience around and what's capable of bringing back lapsed viewers.
However, I don't think Marlena should be front and center anymore (and she's not), and I also don't think a new viewer would have any reason to find her "exciting." Her place on the show isn't to be an exciting main character. I do wish the show would give newer viewers a little more of a chance to see her point of view and see why some "older" viewers would root for her (same with Julie). That's something that I think has been missing since they brought her back (it's something they've screwed up with pretty much every return over the last few years, IMO). But if they didn't bother to do it with Kristen on canvas, I don't think they ever will. I don't think they realize that they need to. I think they assume that everyone knows the character well enough, and that's a pretty bad assumption on their part since even in her last decade on the show, her focus has been pretty minimal overall.
All that being said, I think that Sami is a big dull bore. The fights online about her are more interesting than she could ever hope to be. She hasn't done anything new or interesting since the 90s. Everything that once made her rootable has been stripped from her, and because of that I have a hard time seeing what it is that anyone finds interesting about her now unless it's just who she's paired with...who I also happen to find to be a big dull bore. And it's not like I'm old. I've been watching for a long time, but I'm in the target demographic. And it's not that I just don't "get" the writing for her. I get it. I just don't like it. The choices aren't only Marlena and Sami. The focus has been on Sami for a very long time, and it's past time to move on or at least phase back. That absolutely happened to Marlena, Hope, Jennifer, Kayla, Julie...every lead female character (that were seemingly far more successful in the spotlight). It's past time for them to try something new. It's the only thing they haven't tried. And it's not even something they should try because of ratings (though I think there's a good argument for that). It's just something they should try as part of the natural progression of the show.
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Whereas Marlena never did anything for me. Too self righteous for my taste. I realize I'm in the minority here, but I'd root for Kristen before Marlena just because of that. I never cared much for saintly characters, therefore I'm often disappointed lol.
I have nothing against Marlena and sure she can bring something on this show, the question is more, is she a super interesting character? In my opinion, no. Iconic or whatever for viewers who grew up with the show but would a new viewer really think that she is exciting? I do not think so but it does not mean it's true :) What I mean is that you can not rely on old references it does not work that way in this industry where everything is fast and viewer demand more than what they may have done before. I wonder that maybe it's a difference between old and new viewer-starting what they want to see? What do you think?
I think that your view of how "the industry" works is pretty much always flat out wrong. This is daytime, not primetime. The goal is to keep viewers. The show is more likely to bring back old viewers than it is to gain new viewers. In daytime, "icon" status and history is pretty important because a big point of a soap is to have familiarity. These shows have been on for decades, and long term characters used in any capacity are part of what keeps the audience around and what's capable of bringing back lapsed viewers. However, I don't think Marlena should be front and center anymore (and she's not), and I also don't think a new viewer would have any reason to find her "exciting." Her place on the show isn't to be an exciting main character. I do wish the show would give newer viewers a little more of a chance to see her point of view and see why some "older" viewers would root for her (same with Julie). That's something that I think has been missing since they brought her back (it's something they've screwed up with pretty much every return over the last few years, IMO). But if they didn't bother to do it with Kristen on canvas, I don't think they ever will. I don't think they realize that they need to. I think they assume that everyone knows the character well enough, and that's a pretty bad assumption on their part since even in her last decade on the show, her focus has been pretty minimal overall. All that being said, I think that Sami is a big dull bore. The fights online about her are more interesting than she could ever hope to be. She hasn't done anything new or interesting since the 90s. Everything that once made her rootable has been stripped from her, and because of that I have a hard time seeing what it is that anyone finds interesting about her now unless it's just who she's paired with...who I also happen to find to be a big dull bore. And it's not like I'm old. I've been watching for a long time, but I'm in the target demographic. And it's not that I just don't "get" the writing for her. I get it. I just don't like it. The choices aren't only Marlena and Sami. The focus has been on Sami for a very long time, and it's past time to move on or at least phase back. That absolutely happened to Marlena, Hope, Jennifer, Kayla, Julie...every lead female character (that were seemingly far more successful in the spotlight). It's past time for them to try something new. It's the only thing they haven't tried. And it's not even something they should try because of ratings (though I think there's a good audience for that). It's just something they should try as part of the natural progression of the show. That was long. But it was good and spot on, IMO.
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I think Sami had good moments in the early 2000s as well (up until about 2005), but it helps that she was involved with characters like Nicole, Victor, Lucas, Kate, and Brandon and was written as a supporting character. I do find Sami more interesting to watch now than 2010/2011, where I had to skip most scenes she was in (because Safe was extremely dull).
The Belle, Phillip, Chloe, and Shawn generation of characters really should be the focus, and they're not even on the show. Though I only caught their early years (and the last year Chloe was on), it would've made more sense for that generation to take over from Sami/Carrie/Austin/Lucas. And they did for a short time, but they're all but gone.
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I think Sami had good moments in the early 2000s as well (up until about 2005), but it helps that she was involved with characters like Nicole, Victor, Lucas, Kate, and Brandon and was written as a supporting character. I do find Sami more interesting to watch now than 2010/2011, where I had to skip most scenes she was in (because Safe was extremely dull).
The Belle, Phillip, Chloe, and Shawn generation of characters really should be the focus, and they're not even on the show. Though I only caught their early years (and the last year Chloe was on), it would've made more sense for that generation to take over from Sami/Carrie/Austin/Lucas. And they did for a short time, but they're all but gone.
It's because they did that backwards and screwed themselves over. In the late 90s and early 2000s when the show should have focused on Sami's age group, they skipped right over her and went to the teenagers. Don't get me wrong. Sami was still used a lot, but her age group was just kind of secondary. That messed up their whole timeline. Really, though, they could have been back on track if they hadn't fired BB and MM. I'm not a big fan of either actor or character, but they actually had some good story going on when they just decided to get rid of them. They were firing within the wrong age group, and now we're stuck.
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The problem with the chararacter Sami is the actress who plays her. It's that simple all other characters mentioned afore have had growth and talent development with AS there has been none .She is still making the same acting choices from when she started. In no situation do i ever feel for Sami even when your supposed to. This character should have been recast or rested long ago. Nicole ,Gabi ,Marlena ,Jennifer and Hope have all in proved over the years not Sami. I wanted to like Sami I thought she could be a very good character but for me in 99 the way she botched her trial , her near execution and her turning herself around I was done because that was the storyline to bring it everyone else did but her.
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Whereas Marlena never did anything for me. Too self righteous for my taste. I realize I'm in the minority here, but I'd root for Kristen before Marlena just because of that. I never cared much for saintly characters, therefore I'm often disappointed lol.
I have nothing against Marlena and sure she can bring something on this show, the question is more, is she a super interesting character? In my opinion, no. Iconic or whatever for viewers who grew up with the show but would a new viewer really think that she is exciting? I do not think so but it does not mean it's true :) What I mean is that you can not rely on old references it does not work that way in this industry where everything is fast and viewer demand more than what they may have done before. I wonder that maybe it's a difference between old and new viewer-starting what they want to see? What do you think?
I think that your view of how "the industry" works is pretty much always flat out wrong. This is daytime, not primetime. The goal is to keep viewers. The show is more likely to bring back old viewers than it is to gain new viewers. In daytime, "icon" status and history is pretty important because a big point of a soap is to have familiarity. These shows have been on for decades, and long term characters used in any capacity are part of what keeps the audience around and what's capable of bringing back lapsed viewers. However, I don't think Marlena should be front and center anymore (and she's not), and I also don't think a new viewer would have any reason to find her "exciting." Her place on the show isn't to be an exciting main character. I do wish the show would give newer viewers a little more of a chance to see her point of view and see why some "older" viewers would root for her (same with Julie). That's something that I think has been missing since they brought her back (it's something they've screwed up with pretty much every return over the last few years, IMO). But if they didn't bother to do it with Kristen on canvas, I don't think they ever will. I don't think they realize that they need to. I think they assume that everyone knows the character well enough, and that's a pretty bad assumption on their part since even in her last decade on the show, her focus has been pretty minimal overall. All that being said, I think that Sami is a big dull bore. The fights online about her are more interesting than she could ever hope to be. She hasn't done anything new or interesting since the 90s. Everything that once made her rootable has been stripped from her, and because of that I have a hard time seeing what it is that anyone finds interesting about her now unless it's just who she's paired with...who I also happen to find to be a big dull bore. And it's not like I'm old. I've been watching for a long time, but I'm in the target demographic. And it's not that I just don't "get" the writing for her. I get it. I just don't like it. The choices aren't only Marlena and Sami. The focus has been on Sami for a very long time, and it's past time to move on or at least phase back. That absolutely happened to Marlena, Hope, Jennifer, Kayla, Julie...every lead female character (that were seemingly far more successful in the spotlight). It's past time for them to try something new. It's the only thing they haven't tried. And it's not even something they should try because of ratings (though I think there's a good argument for that). It's just something they should try as part of the natural progression of the show. That was long. Hmm always wrong? Personally, I'm very open minded so for me there is no right or wrong what people think That said, my post was about, I think there is a difference in what habit viewers feel towards new viewers but I threw even a question what others think. What is iconic for an old viewers usually means not a damn thing for a new viewers. And I do not believe for a minute that the only goal is to keep viewers, Daytime will never survive in the long run if they can not pull in new viewers. And it goes fast in this industry stories must move faster characters have to be interesting, etc.
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. I read another spoiler about Brady going to a crack house
Damn that's dark. Let's hope he doesn't end up like Whitney Houston.. OOOF! A CRACK house? Dayum. :drunk:
Edited by Pookie, Nov 24 2013, 02:38 PM.
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I have nothing against Marlena and sure she can bring something on this show, the question is more, is she a super interesting character? In my opinion, no. Iconic or whatever for viewers who grew up with the show but would a new viewer really think that she is exciting? I do not think so but it does not mean it's true :) What I mean is that you can not rely on old references it does not work that way in this industry where everything is fast and viewer demand more than what they may have done before. I wonder that maybe it's a difference between old and new viewer-starting what they want to see? What do you think?
I think that your view of how "the industry" works is pretty much always flat out wrong. This is daytime, not primetime. The goal is to keep viewers. The show is more likely to bring back old viewers than it is to gain new viewers. In daytime, "icon" status and history is pretty important because a big point of a soap is to have familiarity. These shows have been on for decades, and long term characters used in any capacity are part of what keeps the audience around and what's capable of bringing back lapsed viewers. However, I don't think Marlena should be front and center anymore (and she's not), and I also don't think a new viewer would have any reason to find her "exciting." Her place on the show isn't to be an exciting main character. I do wish the show would give newer viewers a little more of a chance to see her point of view and see why some "older" viewers would root for her (same with Julie). That's something that I think has been missing since they brought her back (it's something they've screwed up with pretty much every return over the last few years, IMO). But if they didn't bother to do it with Kristen on canvas, I don't think they ever will. I don't think they realize that they need to. I think they assume that everyone knows the character well enough, and that's a pretty bad assumption on their part since even in her last decade on the show, her focus has been pretty minimal overall. All that being said, I think that Sami is a big dull bore. The fights online about her are more interesting than she could ever hope to be. She hasn't done anything new or interesting since the 90s. Everything that once made her rootable has been stripped from her, and because of that I have a hard time seeing what it is that anyone finds interesting about her now unless it's just who she's paired with...who I also happen to find to be a big dull bore. And it's not like I'm old. I've been watching for a long time, but I'm in the target demographic. And it's not that I just don't "get" the writing for her. I get it. I just don't like it. The choices aren't only Marlena and Sami. The focus has been on Sami for a very long time, and it's past time to move on or at least phase back. That absolutely happened to Marlena, Hope, Jennifer, Kayla, Julie...every lead female character (that were seemingly far more successful in the spotlight). It's past time for them to try something new. It's the only thing they haven't tried. And it's not even something they should try because of ratings (though I think there's a good argument for that). It's just something they should try as part of the natural progression of the show. That was long.
Hmm always wrong? Personally, I'm very open minded so for me there is no right or wrong what people think That said, my post was about, I think there is a difference in what habit viewers feel towards new viewers but I threw even a question what others think. What is iconic for an old viewers usually means not a damn thing for a new viewers. And I do not believe for a minute that the only goal is to keep viewers, Daytime will never survive in the long run if they can not pull in new viewers. And it goes fast in this industry stories must move faster characters have to be interesting, etc. I know what your post was about, and I responded to it.
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I think that your view of how "the industry" works is pretty much always flat out wrong. This is daytime, not primetime. The goal is to keep viewers. The show is more likely to bring back old viewers than it is to gain new viewers. In daytime, "icon" status and history is pretty important because a big point of a soap is to have familiarity. These shows have been on for decades, and long term characters used in any capacity are part of what keeps the audience around and what's capable of bringing back lapsed viewers. However, I don't think Marlena should be front and center anymore (and she's not), and I also don't think a new viewer would have any reason to find her "exciting." Her place on the show isn't to be an exciting main character. I do wish the show would give newer viewers a little more of a chance to see her point of view and see why some "older" viewers would root for her (same with Julie). That's something that I think has been missing since they brought her back (it's something they've screwed up with pretty much every return over the last few years, IMO). But if they didn't bother to do it with Kristen on canvas, I don't think they ever will. I don't think they realize that they need to. I think they assume that everyone knows the character well enough, and that's a pretty bad assumption on their part since even in her last decade on the show, her focus has been pretty minimal overall. All that being said, I think that Sami is a big dull bore. The fights online about her are more interesting than she could ever hope to be. She hasn't done anything new or interesting since the 90s. Everything that once made her rootable has been stripped from her, and because of that I have a hard time seeing what it is that anyone finds interesting about her now unless it's just who she's paired with...who I also happen to find to be a big dull bore. And it's not like I'm old. I've been watching for a long time, but I'm in the target demographic. And it's not that I just don't "get" the writing for her. I get it. I just don't like it. The choices aren't only Marlena and Sami. The focus has been on Sami for a very long time, and it's past time to move on or at least phase back. That absolutely happened to Marlena, Hope, Jennifer, Kayla, Julie...every lead female character (that were seemingly far more successful in the spotlight). It's past time for them to try something new. It's the only thing they haven't tried. And it's not even something they should try because of ratings (though I think there's a good argument for that). It's just something they should try as part of the natural progression of the show. That was long.
Hmm always wrong? Personally, I'm very open minded so for me there is no right or wrong what people think That said, my post was about, I think there is a difference in what habit viewers feel towards new viewers but I threw even a question what others think. What is iconic for an old viewers usually means not a damn thing for a new viewers. And I do not believe for a minute that the only goal is to keep viewers, Daytime will never survive in the long run if they can not pull in new viewers. And it goes fast in this industry stories must move faster characters have to be interesting, etc.
I know what your post was about, and I responded to it. Just out ouf curiosity, do you work in the sopa opera industry?
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Hmm always wrong? Personally, I'm very open minded so for me there is no right or wrong what people think That said, my post was about, I think there is a difference in what habit viewers feel towards new viewers but I threw even a question what others think. What is iconic for an old viewers usually means not a damn thing for a new viewers. And I do not believe for a minute that the only goal is to keep viewers, Daytime will never survive in the long run if they can not pull in new viewers. And it goes fast in this industry stories must move faster characters have to be interesting, etc.
I know what your post was about, and I responded to it.
Just out ouf curiosity, do you work in the sopa opera industry? Ha! It depends on what you mean by work. But no.
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. I read another spoiler about Brady going to a crack house
Damn that's dark. Let's hope he doesn't end up like Whitney Houston..
OOOF! A CRACK house? Dayum. :drunk: Yeah. That's where he runs into the Kristen lookalike.
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I think that Sami is a big dull bore. The fights online about her are more interesting than she could ever hope to be. She hasn't done anything new or interesting since the 90s. Everything that once made her rootable has been stripped from her ^^^ This. So much this.
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- Nov 24 2013, 09:11 AM
I'm betting the JJ spoiler isn't anywhere near as interesting as pregnancy. I'm betting he's acting distant per Daniel's orders and she thinks Daniel can help her. lol This would presume Theresa was interested in getting close to him again. WHY? She only interacted with him for his drug hook ups. Those days are over. The only time she offered up sex was basically in exchange for drugs and because she couldn't get Daniel to sleep with her. She has no vested interest in JJ. I doubt she's suddenly wanting to be his friend or lover. She still views him as a punk ass kid. I can't see her wanting to get in contact with JJ unless she HAS to.
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Nov 24 2013, 03:37 PM
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Sami is no Marlena. Her stompin' truck driver boots can never fill those shoes!
Whereas Marlena never did anything for me. Too self righteous for my taste. I realize I'm in the minority here, but I'd root for Kristen before Marlena just because of that. I never cared much for saintly characters, therefore I'm often disappointed lol.
I have nothing against Marlena and sure she can bring something on this show, the question is more, is she a super interesting character? In my opinion, no. Iconic or whatever for viewers who grew up with the show but would a new viewer really think that she is exciting? I do not think so but it does not mean it's true :) What I mean is that you can not rely on old references it does not work that way in this industry where everything is fast and viewer demand more than what they may have done before. I wonder that maybe it's a difference between old and new viewer-starting what they want to see? What do you think? Is she a super interesting character = mainly in the hands of the writer. Can she act convincingly = mainly in the hands of the actress.
She's passing her bit with flying colours. Not so much the other one.
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Nov 24 2013, 03:38 PM
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Teresa spent her own money to get this GHB drug for her and JJ. He didn't give her money for it. I can't imagine hat stuff would be cheap. Teresa gave JJ her own money twice when he didn't want to go home and had nowhere to go. She trusted him with her own money to get him drugs. I do not know whre this story is going, but I also saw Tersa get emotonal when Jennifer told her to stay away from JJ in early October and she said he needed her. She wasn't getting drugs from him. She has her own drug dealer
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Nov 24 2013, 03:38 PM
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- Nov 24 2013, 10:52 AM
. I read another spoiler about Brady going to a crack house
Damn that's dark. Let's hope he doesn't end up like Whitney Houston.. I'd potentially consider sacrificing Brady to get a bath tub scene.
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Nov 24 2013, 03:57 PM
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Teresa spent her own money to get this GHB drug for her and JJ. He didn't give her money for it. I can't imagine hat stuff would be cheap. Teresa gave JJ her own money twice when he didn't want to go home and had nowhere to go. She trusted him with her own money to get him drugs. I do not know whre this story is going, but I also saw Tersa get emotonal when Jennifer told her to stay away from JJ in early October and she said he needed her. She wasn't getting drugs from him. She has her own drug dealer So you think she's developing actual FEELINGS for him?
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