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Thursday, November 21st Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Nov 21 2013, 12:48 AM (19,911 Views)
Carly
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Ellie
Nov 21 2013, 04:30 PM
LOL great line from Ali about the fantasy world contract. How appropriate.
I'm starting to wonder if the modeling job is just a ruse set up by Nick. Maybe none of the modeling agencies were interested in Gabi, so Nick spoofed Sparkle Modeling's email address and sent a fake email to Gabi offering her a job. Nick could've hired an actress to play the modeling scout who talked with Gabi at the pub, and Nick is smart enough to create a fake modeling contract. And if Gabi had any questions about the contract, she'd just call the fake modeling scout who would answer Gabi's questions in the way that Nick had instructed.

Then when Gabi gets to New York and realizes that there's no modeling job, maybe Nick is hoping that Gabi will be too embarrassed to return to Salem. And we know that Nick wants a job in New York, so maybe Nick's plan is to ask Gabi to move in with him after Gabi realizes that her modeling job doesn't exist. In that case, Nick would've positioned himself to be Gabi's knight in shining armor, and he'd have Gabi and Ari all to himself in New York.

If the modeling job turns out to be fake, Gabi could use that info in her defense if she's ever arrested for bludgeoning Nick. (The fake modeling job would make her look sympathetic to a jury because the jury would see how Nick had been manipulating Gabi.)
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I think Abby's written in a boring way below her potential with boring storylines below their potential and KM doesn't make the most adventurous choices (also her valley girl lilt sometimes gets on my nerves, like Ashley Benson's did, I admit), but I didn't and generally don't find her shrewish at all. But then again I don't even know what shrewish is supposed to actually mean except "an insult used to dismiss women with vocal ranges in a lighter register who dare to raise their voices to men". EJ was interfering in her and Chad's personal business, she can resent it all she wants AFAIAC (and let him know it too). Why shouldn't she judge EJ? I'd judge EJ, I judge EJ every single day. He does judge-worthy things.

I also think Marlena and Maggie were perfectly justified in being disillusioned with Victor, albeit naive. Everything Maggie said about Magic being over today made my heart soar. I'm just afraid that it won't last, I bet they don't see anything else to do with Maggie (at least Victor, being a villain, will be seen as a plot contributor due to his potential to cause trouble, which all stories need).

I am really legitimately interested in seeing where the dynamic between Sonny and Gabi goes, to me it's more intriguing right now than either of them with Will (not that I hate WilSon, but I don't adore every little thing about it either).

As much as I hate Dannifer I can't feel anything but guilty about the Danicole kiss. Obviously it isn't a huge problem in terms of the long-term Ericole situation, but now I just feel like the disease got passed on to someone else. I do like the idea that there is a level of interaction between the two extremes of "twu wuv forever" and "total strangers," and I want to like the idea of the writers acknowledging Dr. Dan's playboy side, but I'm too scared.
Edited by DesignatedShelley, Nov 21 2013, 05:36 PM.
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Nov 21 2013, 01:57 PM
Rosebud
Nov 21 2013, 01:52 PM
Lori
Nov 21 2013, 01:05 PM
Samantha as executive is fail. Every few weeks they remind us she runs a top company. When? How, with what skills?
Major fail! Sami couldn't run a VCR much less any kind of corporation.
Sami took several years off to manhop and make babies, but she's no stranger to the corporate world.
Huh? She went from Candy Striper to rapist to teen mother to man chaser, and then somehow got a job at the hospital that lasted an hour, and then somehow got a job at some fashion company (was it Kate's? I dunno where it was). Again, she had no skills to get any kind of job in corporate america. Maybe the mail room, but beyond that, she has no education, much less a business degree.
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I kind of think Daniel is the perfect interloper in the Eric/Nicole thing. Lots of the audience already despises him. :blulaugh:
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JaneDigby
Nov 21 2013, 05:05 PM
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Now, Jennifer and Abby are written as clingy, passive aggressive and Daniel-obsessed. Gabi's singular ambition is modeling (which is a job, to be fair).

But ultimately, I hate to see Jennifer and Abby written with less smarts, self-confidence, intelligence, empathy and depth than Alice Horton, let alone any of the other show's fine heroines.


Thanks for the welcome back, honeybees. :D

I'm not sure if it is misogyny or just stupidity. Hope is still take-no-prisoners, Sami is feisty, Nicole is actually maturing and learning to base her self-worth on something other than the man in her life, Marlena called John on his shit, etc. Gabi has always been a mess of a character for me, but at least when she was hiring stalkers she was showing a bit of gumption. Now she's a "poor me!" heroine and she still hasn't paid for what she did to Melanie or for helping to cause Jack and Madison's death. (Yes, I'm still bitter.)

Abby was fun when she was trying to bed Austin. Her interactions with Jack were fun. Now, aside from my relief that Abby's hymen is no longer around to have it's own storyline I see nothing positive about Abby. She's reduced to aiding and abetting Jennifer's monstrous self-absorption.

Jennifer is dead to me.
I've been having difficulty with the way Days portrays women, so I think its classic sexism at work. The "bad girls" are still pathetic. We have Sami, who's in love with her rapist and who's been treating her in the most dismissive and disrespectful way the past few days. Then we have a supposed tough woman like Kate acting like a teenager and running after a dull idiot like Rafe. And what about the "good girls" like Jennifer, Gabi and Abigail? Jennifer acts like she's a teenager dating the most popular boy in high school and Abigail is even worse with her obsession with her virginity, like that's all her worth. WTF! What century is this? And don't get me started on Gabi, the woman is so desperate for love she kidnaped her own friend to attract a guy who never showed the slightest interest in her. She then made it worse by marrying a guy she just met. That same guy continues to manipulate her to this day and she's too stupid to ask basic questions about her job offer.
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six
Nov 21 2013, 02:07 PM
Lori
Nov 21 2013, 02:00 PM
six
Nov 21 2013, 01:57 PM
Rosebud
Nov 21 2013, 01:52 PM

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Sami took several years off to manhop and make babies, but she's no stranger to the corporate world.
They haven't established anything that would credibly give her the ability to run an international cosmetics corporation. Or have the time. And if they're going to insist on it they need to take a page from other soaps and show her at work more than laying on the floor of an office with EJ looking at lipstick. But I'd rather they drop it entirely, it's ridiculous.
She was an executive at Titan at around twenty. And wasn't the company she, Austin and Nicole ran international?
Exactly. All of which she has/had no education or previous experience to fill such positions.
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Rosebud
Nov 21 2013, 05:40 PM
six
Nov 21 2013, 01:57 PM
Rosebud
Nov 21 2013, 01:52 PM
Lori
Nov 21 2013, 01:05 PM
Samantha as executive is fail. Every few weeks they remind us she runs a top company. When? How, with what skills?
Major fail! Sami couldn't run a VCR much less any kind of corporation.
Sami took several years off to manhop and make babies, but she's no stranger to the corporate world.
Huh? She went from Candy Striper to rapist to teen mother to man chaser, and then somehow got a job at the hospital that lasted an hour, and then somehow got a job at some fashion company (was it Kate's? I dunno where it was). Again, she had no skills to get any kind of job in corporate america. Maybe the mail room, but beyond that, she has no education, much less a business degree.
Sami has had jobs in corporate America. She was some kind of executive in the modeling department at Titan. She helped Austin run some kind of fashion company. She worked at Mad World.
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I think the degree to which Days can make women so desperate for men can be sexist, but in the big picture, most of the non-villainous male characters' storylines revolve around romance too. I mean, nobody's been as big a lovefool lately as Brady (we just seem to accept it as a valid character trait). I'd like it if relationships and interactions expanded beyond romance, so that every time you saw a male and a female character together in a scene you didn't automatically think "They must be ship-testing otherwise why would they write this scene?", but that obviously goes for both men and women.

I think it's kinda ironic though that the board consensus seems to be "The last time Abby was tolerable was when she was desperate about getting Austin" though, heh.
Edited by DesignatedShelley, Nov 21 2013, 05:55 PM.
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Nov 21 2013, 02:25 PM
Lori
Nov 21 2013, 02:17 PM
six
Nov 21 2013, 02:07 PM
Lori
Nov 21 2013, 02:00 PM

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She was an executive at Titan at around twenty. And wasn't the company she, Austin and Nicole ran international?
They weren't cosmetics and she wasn't CEO. I know this argument can be made about others on the show but Sami as international cosmetics CEO bugs me bigtime. For me it smacks of self-proclaimed amazing multitasker Ali Sweeney and I wouldn't be surprised if she insisted Sami be a corporate executive. It just doesn't work for me and it won't ever unless they write it in rather than mention it infrequently.
I see what you're saying, about Sam not working up the ranks in that particular industry, but since, as you said, a lot of people on the show have started at the top instead of the bottom, and since Sami was already a corporate executive in the past, I don't see it as a major issue. At least not any more major than it would be for everybody else.
It was ridiculous in the past as well. Maybe if she had gone off for a few years and come back saying she graduated business school or something, I would buy it. But she's always been in Salem doing nothing but trying to snag herself a man. If only they gave business degrees for that talent, eh?
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hospitalitea
Nov 21 2013, 03:14 PM
six
Nov 21 2013, 01:26 PM
Marlena, you could have shown Brady the DVD in private, too.
And when was the last time we had even seen Brady giving Marlena the time of day?
Seriously! Brady would have taken the DVD out of her hands and crushed it like he did later.
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Rosebud
Nov 21 2013, 05:55 PM
six
Nov 21 2013, 02:25 PM
Lori
Nov 21 2013, 02:17 PM
six
Nov 21 2013, 02:07 PM

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They weren't cosmetics and she wasn't CEO. I know this argument can be made about others on the show but Sami as international cosmetics CEO bugs me bigtime. For me it smacks of self-proclaimed amazing multitasker Ali Sweeney and I wouldn't be surprised if she insisted Sami be a corporate executive. It just doesn't work for me and it won't ever unless they write it in rather than mention it infrequently.
I see what you're saying, about Sam not working up the ranks in that particular industry, but since, as you said, a lot of people on the show have started at the top instead of the bottom, and since Sami was already a corporate executive in the past, I don't see it as a major issue. At least not any more major than it would be for everybody else.
It was ridiculous in the past as well. Maybe if she had gone off for a few years and come back saying she graduated business school or something, I would buy it. But she's always been in Salem doing nothing but trying to snag herself a man. If only they gave business degrees for that talent, eh?
Ridiculous or not, it's not new. And at this point, it makes sense that she would have picked up skills on the job over the years.
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hospitalitea
Nov 21 2013, 03:32 PM
six
Nov 21 2013, 01:57 PM
Rosebud
Nov 21 2013, 01:52 PM
Lori
Nov 21 2013, 01:05 PM
Samantha as executive is fail. Every few weeks they remind us she runs a top company. When? How, with what skills?
Major fail! Sami couldn't run a VCR much less any kind of corporation.
Sami took several years off to manhop and make babies, but she's no stranger to the corporate world.
Sami was firer from her job at the hospital, because she was dishonest, and Marlena had to beg John to hirer her at Basic Black, he basically hid her in the basement, because he knew she would be such a failure in the corporate world.....you can't change those facts
Ah! Thank you! I forgot about John hiring her as a favor. Again, she has no skills and would be laughed out of the corporate world (unless she was working as a cleaning person or in the mail room)
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Rosebud
Nov 21 2013, 06:02 PM
hospitalitea
Nov 21 2013, 03:14 PM
six
Nov 21 2013, 01:26 PM
Marlena, you could have shown Brady the DVD in private, too.
And when was the last time we had even seen Brady giving Marlena the time of day?
Seriously! Brady would have taken the DVD out of her hands and crushed it like he did later.
If Marlena gets that pass, Victor should, too.
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Nov 21 2013, 03:36 PM
hospitalitea
Nov 21 2013, 03:14 PM
six
Nov 21 2013, 01:26 PM
Marlena, you could have shown Brady the DVD in private, too.
And when was the last time we had even seen Brady giving Marlena the time of day?
Who knows. Perhaps she should have called him and told him about the DVD. Or watched it herself, first. Marlena brought this heartache on herself.
Was there time for any of that? And again, she didn't know who was on the DVD. She trusted Victor. And you don't see Marlena trying to defend her actions anyway. She still has reason to be angry at Victor.
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Carly
Nov 21 2013, 05:20 PM
Ellie
Nov 21 2013, 04:30 PM
LOL great line from Ali about the fantasy world contract. How appropriate.
I'm starting to wonder if the modeling job is just a ruse set up by Nick. Maybe none of the modeling agencies were interested in Gabi, so Nick spoofed Sparkle Modeling's email address and sent a fake email to Gabi offering her a job. Nick could've hired an actress to play the modeling scout who talked with Gabi at the pub, and Nick is smart enough to create a fake modeling contract. And if Gabi had any questions about the contract, she'd just call the fake modeling scout who would answer Gabi's questions in the way that Nick had instructed.

Then when Gabi gets to New York and realizes that there's no modeling job, maybe Nick is hoping that Gabi will be too embarrassed to return to Salem. And we know that Nick wants a job in New York, so maybe Nick's plan is to ask Gabi to move in with him after Gabi realizes that her modeling job doesn't exist. In that case, Nick would've positioned himself to be Gabi's knight in shining armor, and he'd have Gabi and Ari all to himself in New York.

If the modeling job turns out to be fake, Gabi could use that info in her defense if she's ever arrested for bludgeoning Nick. (The fake modeling job would make her look sympathetic to a jury because the jury would see how Nick had been manipulating Gabi.)
See THAT is the question: is it a legitimate offer? I'm leaning towards yes, because after Nick submitted Gabi's "story" online, he wasn't getting any positive responses. He then changed his tactic and contacted an agency himself. He pretended to be Lucas Horton, Executive, looking to rehire "Gabriella" exclusively for Kate's cosmetics firm. It's after this, that Gabi received the e-mail offer from Sparkle. So, I'm guessing the reason the modeling agency is giving Gabi the fairy tale contract is because they believe she's going to bring in a boat load of cash as THE model for Kate's cosmetics company.
Edited by badaddiction, Nov 21 2013, 06:26 PM.
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Nov 21 2013, 06:09 PM
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Nov 21 2013, 03:36 PM
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Nov 21 2013, 03:14 PM
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Nov 21 2013, 01:26 PM
Marlena, you could have shown Brady the DVD in private, too.
And when was the last time we had even seen Brady giving Marlena the time of day?
Who knows. Perhaps she should have called him and told him about the DVD. Or watched it herself, first. Marlena brought this heartache on herself.
Was there time for any of that? And again, she didn't know who was on the DVD. She trusted Victor. And you don't see Marlena trying to defend her actions anyway. She still has reason to be angry at Victor.
I've never argued that she doesn't have reason to be angry with Victor. And yes, there was time for her to do something besides air a sex tape in a church. It's not like marriage is a binding agreement in Salem
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metitle
Nov 21 2013, 04:59 PM
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Nov 21 2013, 04:46 PM
metitle
Nov 21 2013, 01:31 PM
Marlena is tit for tat with Victor.
Marlena to Victor: Go to hell,
Victor: I will meet you at the gate.
Who does Vic think he's kidding? I think he'll be standing all alone at the gate :blulaugh: I mean really. Marlena's already beaten Satan. Victor should be begging her to put in a good word for him with the big Kahuna. ;)
He wont be alone at the gate. He will have EJ, Stefano, Sami, and basically all salemites.
Well maybe Saints Daniel and Jenn wont be at the gate. But I think they will be.
But he'll probably get there before Elvis and Sami (unfortunately). He might get there with Stefano though :D
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Nov 21 2013, 01:25 PM
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Nov 21 2013, 01:23 PM
show of hands of everyone who thinks Sami will leave it alone? anyone? Bueller?
:tumbleweed:
:applause: , you got mine.
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My reaction to today's show:

- Victor just had no give a damns to give. LOL
- EJami in the coffee shop. Loved that interaction.
- Abby/EJ - I didn't find Abby annoying, screechy, or judgmental. --Although, I don't agree Chad ruined her life, I get why she's pissed. Ha! Loved her little flashback.
- I wish Eric would talk without the whisper. It's just annoying.
- The Marlena slap was so OT Fake, I couldn't even take it seriously.
Edited by badaddiction, Nov 21 2013, 06:20 PM.
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Nov 21 2013, 06:08 PM
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Nov 21 2013, 06:02 PM
hospitalitea
Nov 21 2013, 03:14 PM
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Nov 21 2013, 01:26 PM
Marlena, you could have shown Brady the DVD in private, too.
And when was the last time we had even seen Brady giving Marlena the time of day?
Seriously! Brady would have taken the DVD out of her hands and crushed it like he did later.
If Marlena gets that pass, Victor should, too.
Brady has given Victor a pass already. Too bad he can't do the same for the woman who raised him from toddlerhood....
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