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As for sexual assault and abuse, that has hardly disappeared from the show. Sami was raped, Nicole was forced to do porn by her stepfather, we recently had Chloe being forced into prostitution, Stephanie was raped. Gabi will soon be attacked by Nick. And I hardly find it a sign of progress that the women are now doing the raping, e.g., Sami raping Austin and Kristen raping Eric.
Marlena was raped by Kellam Chandler, Kristen raped John in Paris with a hypnotic mirror, EJ raped Sami.
Here is Marlena's rape. It's considered tame by today's standards but you can still see how violent and cruel it was and poor Marlena trying to deal with the aftermath. Deidre was amazing in these scenes!
Here is the scene after John has been brainwashed with the hypnotic mirror by Kristen. This is considered a form of rape. John didn't give his consent, he wasn't in his right mind. This proves how pathetic Kristen really was.
This is the reason I could never accept EJami as a couple. This is not something you can just sweep under the rug, plain and simple.
I also wanted to add to this post that I realize Sami was raped twice and Kristen has raped twice. I'm surprised Stefano never succeeded in seducing Marlena. I know he would never have forced himself on her but as powerful as he is, I'm surprised he never was able to "bed" her so to speak. John would have raised hell on that one. I would definitely watch that! :biggrin:
I honestly don't understand Eric. I like him, but why does he have so little compassion and forgiveness when it comes to his own mother? I mean if he could forgive Kristen and allow her to marry in his church, after a few pre-cana sessions, and change his entire view of her (allowing her to work with children), yet he can't seem to give his own mother the time of day? Makes me wonder if he's the angel everyone seems to think he is. :shrug:
that's what I have been saying to myself. all her kids have been pricks. sami wanting her to be supportive and her and ej when he shot john once and left him for dead; the setup last year, stealing funds letting john take the fall and marlena stepped up like any mother would and engaged with, "I just want you to be happy". brady, sleeping with kritter in the first place, asking for her hand, beating on his chest demanding marlena and others accept her; he seems to take such pride in announcing that marlena's not his mother...I wonder would he have stabbed Isabella in the back so easily? marlena forgave their betrayal, where was their loyalty and respect for her?
I honestly don't understand Eric. I like him, but why does he have so little compassion and forgiveness when it comes to his own mother? I mean if he could forgive Kristen and allow her to marry in his church, after a few pre-cana sessions, and change his entire view of her (allowing her to work with children), yet he can't seem to give his own mother the time of day? Makes me wonder if he's the angel everyone seems to think he is. :shrug:
that's what I have been saying to myself. all her kids have been pricks. sami wanting her to be supportive and her and ej when he shot john once and left him for dead; the setup last year, stealing funds letting john take the fall and marlena stepped up like any mother would and engaged with, "I just want you to be happy". brady, sleeping with kritter in the first place, asking for her hand, beating on his chest demanding marlena and others accept her; he seems to take such pride in announcing that marlena's not his mother...I wonder would he have stabbed Isabella in the back so easily? marlena forgave their betrayal, where was their loyalty and respect for her?
I'm glad you brought this up because I just got done watching the Marlena/Eric scenes again and my heart just about broke. Marlena always had a special relationship with her only natural son. She and Eric have always had a special bond and to see how he treats her now, just breaks my heart. Eric has been my favorite of Marlena's kids; next to Belle of course and now I just want to smack him. :toetap: Marlena didn't mean to hurt him deliberately, she would never purposely hurt her own kids in any way but it seems like Eric just doesn't want to believe that. I just don't understand it. I really feel bad for Marlena right now. Because of Kristen, she has lost her husband, her son, and her stepson. I am getting the feeling that TPTB don't really like her. I just hope Marlena can get the relationship with her son Eric back on track, I mean she's got to have at least one of her kids on her side. Right? :shrug:
Okay, I was hoping Marlena was gonna smack Victor. BUT given these are two experienced actors, I felt Dher's slap and Vic's reaction was ALL off. Victor turned his head way too soon to receive the slap and given how far back she reached, well he should've keeled over. Heck, it looked so fierce that where ever Bo is, he should've paused because he felt that slap . . .
As for sexual assault and abuse, that has hardly disappeared from the show. Sami was raped, Nicole was forced to do porn by her stepfather, we recently had Chloe being forced into prostitution, Stephanie was raped. Gabi will soon be attacked by Nick. And I hardly find it a sign of progress that the women are now doing the raping, e.g., Sami raping Austin and Kristen raping Eric.
Marlena was raped by Kellam Chandler, Kristen raped John in Paris with a hypnotic mirror, EJ raped Sami.
Here is Marlena's rape. It's considered tame by today's standards but you can still see how violent and cruel it was and poor Marlena trying to deal with the aftermath. Deidre was amazing in these scenes!
Here is the scene after John has been brainwashed with the hypnotic mirror by Kristen. This is considered a form of rape. John didn't give his consent, he wasn't in his right mind. This proves how pathetic Kristen really was.
This is the reason I could never accept EJami as a couple. This is not something you can just sweep under the rug, plain and simple.
I also wanted to add to this post that I realize Sami was raped twice and Kristen has raped twice. I'm surprised Stefano never succeeded in seducing Marlena. I know he would never have forced himself on her but as powerful as he is, I'm surprised he never was able to "bed" her so to speak. John would have raised hell on that one. I would definitely watch that! :biggrin:
That's what made Stefano a classy villain, unlike his stupid son Elvis who is just a slimy weasel.
I honestly don't understand Eric. I like him, but why does he have so little compassion and forgiveness when it comes to his own mother? I mean if he could forgive Kristen and allow her to marry in his church, after a few pre-cana sessions, and change his entire view of her (allowing her to work with children), yet he can't seem to give his own mother the time of day? Makes me wonder if he's the angel everyone seems to think he is. :shrug:
that's what I have been saying to myself. all her kids have been pricks. sami wanting her to be supportive and her and ej when he shot john once and left him for dead; the setup last year, stealing funds letting john take the fall and marlena stepped up like any mother would and engaged with, "I just want you to be happy". brady, sleeping with kritter in the first place, asking for her hand, beating on his chest demanding marlena and others accept her; he seems to take such pride in announcing that marlena's not his mother...I wonder would he have stabbed Isabella in the back so easily? marlena forgave their betrayal, where was their loyalty and respect for her?
Brady has no memory of Isabella, besides that video tape, but I'm sure if she came back from the dead he'd worship her :hail:
I honestly don't understand Eric. I like him, but why does he have so little compassion and forgiveness when it comes to his own mother? I mean if he could forgive Kristen and allow her to marry in his church, after a few pre-cana sessions, and change his entire view of her (allowing her to work with children), yet he can't seem to give his own mother the time of day? Makes me wonder if he's the angel everyone seems to think he is. :shrug:
that's what I have been saying to myself. all her kids have been pricks. sami wanting her to be supportive and her and ej when he shot john once and left him for dead; the setup last year, stealing funds letting john take the fall and marlena stepped up like any mother would and engaged with, "I just want you to be happy". brady, sleeping with kritter in the first place, asking for her hand, beating on his chest demanding marlena and others accept her; he seems to take such pride in announcing that marlena's not his mother...I wonder would he have stabbed Isabella in the back so easily? marlena forgave their betrayal, where was their loyalty and respect for her?
I'm glad you brought this up because I just got done watching the Marlena/Eric scenes again and my heart just about broke. Marlena always had a special relationship with her only natural son. She and Eric have always had a special bond and to see how he treats her now, just breaks my heart. Eric has been my favorite of Marlena's kids; next to Belle of course and now I just want to smack him. :toetap: Marlena didn't mean to hurt him deliberately, she would never purposely hurt her own kids in any way but it seems like Eric just doesn't want to believe that. I just don't understand it. I really feel bad for Marlena right now. Because of Kristen, she has lost her husband, her son, and her stepson. I am getting the feeling that TPTB don't really like her. I just hope Marlena can get the relationship with her son Eric back on track, I mean she's got to have at least one of her kids on her side. Right? :shrug:
When Eric first came back to Salem he was actually pretty harsh on her, and John. I hated him when he expected Marlena to get back with FauxRo. He was obnoxious.
Also, who's that kid that called Marlena Mommy? I'm a little foggy on my early Marlena history. I didn't start watching until the late 80's, I wasn't aware she had another kid. They never mention him, it's always portrayed as if her history began with Roman
That's Johnny. I think she was planning to adopt him. Someone else will know the history on that better.
Okay, I was hoping Marlena was gonna smack Victor. BUT given these are two experienced actors, I felt Dher's slap and Vic's reaction was ALL off. Victor turned his head way too soon to receive the slap and given how far back she reached, well he should've keeled over. Heck, it looked so fierce that where ever Bo is, he should've paused because he felt that slap . . .
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that slap was poorly executed. The timing of the whole thing, including the sound effects were off, and I went back and watched it in slomo too. That being said, Victor had it coming.
Also, who's that kid that called Marlena Mommy? I'm a little foggy on my early Marlena history. I didn't start watching until the late 80's, I wasn't aware she had another kid. They never mention him, it's always portrayed as if her history began with Roman
That's Johnny. I think she was planning to adopt him. Someone else will know the history on that better.
He was a foster child. She referred to him as her ward. He went to stay with her parents when the Salem Strangler stuff started. Actually, Marlena was going to see him when Sam was killed. She was supposed to be going to Mexico, but at the last minute she changed her plans. And even more last minute, she ended up going to the gatehouse (I think....I get that house mixed up with another one). Anyway, Johnny came back after Roman and Marlena got engaged, and his bio mother wanted him. It was all wrapped up very quickly, and suddenly here came Carrie.
I honestly don't understand Eric. I like him, but why does he have so little compassion and forgiveness when it comes to his own mother? I mean if he could forgive Kristen and allow her to marry in his church, after a few pre-cana sessions, and change his entire view of her (allowing her to work with children), yet he can't seem to give his own mother the time of day? Makes me wonder if he's the angel everyone seems to think he is. :shrug:
that's what I have been saying to myself. all her kids have been pricks. sami wanting her to be supportive and her and ej when he shot john once and left him for dead; the setup last year, stealing funds letting john take the fall and marlena stepped up like any mother would and engaged with, "I just want you to be happy". brady, sleeping with kritter in the first place, asking for her hand, beating on his chest demanding marlena and others accept her; he seems to take such pride in announcing that marlena's not his mother...I wonder would he have stabbed Isabella in the back so easily? marlena forgave their betrayal, where was their loyalty and respect for her?
I'm glad you brought this up because I just got done watching the Marlena/Eric scenes again and my heart just about broke. Marlena always had a special relationship with her only natural son. She and Eric have always had a special bond and to see how he treats her now, just breaks my heart. Eric has been my favorite of Marlena's kids; next to Belle of course and now I just want to smack him. :toetap: Marlena didn't mean to hurt him deliberately, she would never purposely hurt her own kids in any way but it seems like Eric just doesn't want to believe that. I just don't understand it. I really feel bad for Marlena right now. Because of Kristen, she has lost her husband, her son, and her stepson. I am getting the feeling that TPTB don't really like her. I just hope Marlena can get the relationship with her son Eric back on track, I mean she's got to have at least one of her kids on her side. Right? :shrug:
When Eric first came back to Salem he was actually pretty harsh on her, and John. I hated him when he expected Marlena to get back with FauxRo. He was obnoxious.
Yes he was obnoxious at first about wanting his parents to reunite, he did finally come around though. Once he did, I really liked him. Even Marlena said that Eric was really a "mama's boy" from the very beginning. She said that she and Eric had a special relationship from the start. Sami was a "daddy's girl" but Eric belonged to Marlena. That's why it was so hard to see those scenes between the two of them. Eric was Marlena's last hope of having someone on her side, and now she can't even count on her only son. Sad really. :tears:
Eric has to know that Marlena didn't intentionally hurt him or would never intentionally hurt him. I understand Eric is hurt and angry but that still doesn't give him the right to treat his mother like dirt on his shoe. She his mother and him being a priest he should be more forgiving. He wants Nicole to forgive him but he can't forgive his own mother? What a butt! :eyeroll:
I'm glad you brought this up because I just got done watching the Marlena/Eric scenes again and my heart just about broke. Marlena always had a special relationship with her only natural son. She and Eric have always had a special bond and to see how he treats her now, just breaks my heart. Eric has been my favorite of Marlena's kids; next to Belle of course and now I just want to smack him. :toetap: Marlena didn't mean to hurt him deliberately, she would never purposely hurt her own kids in any way but it seems like Eric just doesn't want to believe that. I just don't understand it. I really feel bad for Marlena right now. Because of Kristen, she has lost her husband, her son, and her stepson. I am getting the feeling that TPTB don't really like her. I just hope Marlena can get the relationship with her son Eric back on track, I mean she's got to have at least one of her kids on her side. Right? :shrug:
When Eric first came back to Salem he was actually pretty harsh on her, and John. I hated him when he expected Marlena to get back with FauxRo. He was obnoxious.
Yes he was obnoxious at first about wanting his parents to reunite, he did finally come around though. Once he did, I really liked him. Even Marlena said that Eric was really a "mama's boy" from the very beginning. She said that she and Eric had a special relationship from the start. Sami was a "daddy's girl" but Eric belonged to Marlena. That's why it was so hard to see those scenes between the two of them. Eric was Marlena's last hope of having someone on her side, and now she can't even count on her only son. Sad really. :tears:
Eric has to know that Marlena didn't intentionally hurt him or would never intentionally hurt him. I understand Eric is hurt and angry but that still doesn't give him the right to treat his mother like dirt on his shoe. She his mother and him being a priest he should be more forgiving. He wants Nicole to forgive him but he can't forgive his own mother? What a butt! :eyeroll:
Okay, I was hoping Marlena was gonna smack Victor. BUT given these are two experienced actors, I felt Dher's slap and Vic's reaction was ALL off. Victor turned his head way too soon to receive the slap and given how far back she reached, well he should've keeled over. Heck, it looked so fierce that where ever Bo is, he should've paused because he felt that slap . . .
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that slap was poorly executed. The timing of the whole thing, including the sound effects were off, and I went back and watched it in slomo too. That being said, Victor had it coming.
Yeah, something was definitely off. I appreciated DH's classic windup, but it didn't land right, or the timing wasn't right, or maybe it was JA. :shrug: Let's compare it to other recent Marlena slaps to determine the problem:
I didn't think Eric treated Marlena badly today...
That's not how I feel or what I saw, the way he yelled at her and just walked away. I could see the hurt in her eyes. He still blames her. But to each their own I guess... :shrug:
I think with Eric the humiliation he just experienced is still fresh. But I also think that he's trying to deal with what he went through on his own. Just like he didn't want his mother to initially hypnotize him because of the sexual dreams he was having. Marlena told Eric that she's trained (I assume she meant trained to help people who have gone through what he's gone though). Right now he can't accept her help. It's too private a pain. He doesn't want to open up to his mother about it. Abe even told Nicole that every time a family member gets hold of Eric he just "handles" them. He's not ready to open up and with Marlena she would want him to. He's going to try and do it on his own for now. But he did talk to her and told her what was going on (the suspension). I know he wasn't what you'd call warm with Marlena but he's still hurting, especially since he just came from getting suspended due to that video.
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