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Friday, November 22nd Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Nov 22 2013, 12:47 AM (14,421 Views)
OliveAnn


Mitchapalooza
Nov 22 2013, 03:37 PM
DAYS will be murdered in the ratings for this episode.
It might not count, though.
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Kinay


six
Nov 22 2013, 03:27 PM
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Nov 22 2013, 03:05 PM
six
Nov 22 2013, 02:37 PM
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Nov 22 2013, 02:32 PM

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I'm not talking about the cover up. Ultimately, I'd consider what Gabi did to be just as bad or maaaybe a little worse than what Will did (because of the age differences and relationships to the victims), but it would still mean that neither of them should really have Ari, until after getting some serious help. But the story is that both of them have changed and neither of them are a danger to the baby, so I don't think Gabi's crime should be weighing more heavily on Sonny than Will's does.
The problem is Will suffered for his crime with blackmail (three times) and guilt over it. He consistently wanted to turn himself in but always people talked him out of it. Gabi on the other hand, never paid for it. The victims of her crime never forgave her. She was living with Melanie's grandmother and she never felt any guilt. She blamed Chad for not recognizing her crazy infatuation with him. Her brother covered up for her. She at least needs to feel some punishment for her crime. Everyone in Salem who committed a crime faced some sort of ramification, but Gabi is seeing as innocent as Ari. I don't want her to go to jail but I want Maggie, Daniel, Abi and JJ to find out what she did, then she will pay for her crime.

Another way the two crimes differ is that Will's crime was crime of passion, while Gabi had plenty of time to do something but continued to let that maniac keep her "best friend."
I want everybody to find out what Gabi did, too. I don't think it makes her an unfit mother by the standards of Salem, though.
By the standards of Salem, Gabi's crime is pretty tame. Was she foolish, yes but she didn't deliberately set out to hurt anyone, Andrew 's the one who kidnapped Melanie and hurt people. It was a school girl crush gone bad and she wasn't much older than Will was when he shot EJ, which I don't see as that big of a crime either, at least not one to be used against him over and over. Neither Gabi or Will should have their pasts used against them as parents .
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Kinay


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Nov 22 2013, 03:05 PM
six
Nov 22 2013, 02:37 PM
Pookie
Nov 22 2013, 02:32 PM
six
Nov 22 2013, 02:28 PM

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Circumstances of both situations are entirely different. Will, underage and under extreme stress. Then directed by the adults in his life to cover it up. Gabi, legal adult, put her "best friend" in danger to get a man and cover her ass. All decisions made were her own.
I'm not talking about the cover up. Ultimately, I'd consider what Gabi did to be just as bad or maaaybe a little worse than what Will did (because of the age differences and relationships to the victims), but it would still mean that neither of them should really have Ari, until after getting some serious help. But the story is that both of them have changed and neither of them are a danger to the baby, so I don't think Gabi's crime should be weighing more heavily on Sonny than Will's does.
The problem is Will suffered for his crime with blackmail (three times) and guilt over it. He consistently wanted to turn himself in but always people talked him out of it. Gabi on the other hand, never paid for it. The victims of her crime never forgave her. She was living with Melanie's grandmother and she never felt any guilt. She blamed Chad for not recognizing her crazy infatuation with him. Her brother covered up for her. She at least needs to feel some punishment for her crime. Everyone in Salem who committed a crime faced some sort of ramification, but Gabi is seeing as innocent as Ari. I don't want her to go to jail but I want Maggie, Daniel, Abi and JJ to find out what she did, then she will pay for her crime.

Another way the two crimes differ is that Will's crime was crime of passion, while Gabi had plenty of time to do something but continued to let that maniac keep her "best friend."
I have to disagree that everybody in Salem pays for their crimes. Kate, Sami, EJ, Stephano, Victor...they're all walking around free to keep creating havoc on anyone who stands in their way without any ramifications for their dirty deeds.
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NocturnalBlondie
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It's nice to see Jennifer's hair not look like pure shit for a change.
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AFaithL


NocturnalBlondie
Nov 22 2013, 04:17 PM
It's nice to see Jennifer's hair not look like pure shit for a change.
No, but her attitude towards Daniel was pretty shitty. And a crappy attitude makes her look crappy.
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metitle
Nov 22 2013, 01:23 PM
Did I miss something? Ari was part of Gabi's modelling contract?
If I'm remembering correctly, the agent made a big deal of talking about how they were going to sell Gabi's experiences as a single mother as part of her image. They seemed to be directly tying it in to how popular and relatable she would be.
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AFaithL
Nov 22 2013, 04:42 PM
NocturnalBlondie
Nov 22 2013, 04:17 PM
It's nice to see Jennifer's hair not look like pure shit for a change.
No, but her attitude towards Daniel was pretty shitty. And a crappy attitude makes her look crappy.
You say this like its a bad thing.
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Keith
Nov 22 2013, 04:44 PM
AFaithL
Nov 22 2013, 04:42 PM
NocturnalBlondie
Nov 22 2013, 04:17 PM
It's nice to see Jennifer's hair not look like pure shit for a change.
No, but her attitude towards Daniel was pretty shitty. And a crappy attitude makes her look crappy.
You say this like its a bad thing.
It is. She's shrewish for no reason. And needs to take a look in the mirror.
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Starr


Okay, Eric looks better in plain, casual clothes.

Nicole and Dan realize they are using each other to get past their heartaches, and it is only temporary, I believe.

I have a bone to pick with Sami and Kate. I don't think many people will like this, but I feel that Rafe is the grown-up here. He said whatever Gaby decides is okay with him. Unlike the selfish relatives who want Gabi's baby. That's just wrong. The baby belongs with her mommy, and Will said he could go to New York, too, no problem, in order to spend time with Ari. So far, Will is willing to work with Gabi regarding the baby. The controlling relatives ought to stay out of their decision! And, maybe working with Sami just doesn't appeal to Gabi. Gabi is supposed to be making good money at her chosen career. So, if it were me, I'd take happiness, peace of mind, and good money, before the greed that Sami offers. If Gabi fails, THEN Sami and Kate could be "generous" to her. But it is obviously a ruse keep Ari with them.
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Starr
Nov 22 2013, 05:13 PM
Okay, Eric looks better in plain, casual clothes.

Nicole and Dan realize they are using each other to get past their heartaches, and it is only temporary, I believe.

I have a bone to pick with Sami and Kate. I don't think many people will like this, but I feel that Rafe is the grown-up here. He said whatever Gaby decides is okay with him. Unlike the selfish relatives who want Gabi's baby. That's just wrong. The baby belongs with her mommy, and Will said he could go to New York, too, no problem, in order to spend time with Ari. So far, Will is willing to work with Gabi regarding the baby. The controlling relatives ought to stay out of their decision! And, maybe working with Sami just doesn't appeal to Gabi. Gabi is supposed to be making good money at her chosen career. So, if it were me, I'd take happiness, peace of mind, and good money, before the greed that Sami offers. If Gabi fails, THEN Sami and Kate could be "generous" to her. But it is obviously a ruse keep Ari with them.
Thing is, Sami's right about Gabi's time allotment for the baby. Even considering Sparkle's desire to accommodate and perhaps even have Ari on set constantly, Gabi will be working more than not throughout the day and well into the night. Why drag her to NYC when she had a build in family unit in Salem already? Why not arrange to see Ari regularly where she is going to be the one with the busy career? I love that Will is willing to move to NY and put Ari's interests first, but either way there will be an adjustment of a lot less mommy than she's used to.
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One thing that really annoyed me was that Gabi was willing to let Ari be part of a photo shoot. Gabi never mentioned this detail to Will, and Will should have a say in whether he wants his daughter to be photographed for millions of people to see.

Along with this, I was hoping that Will would express some concern about Gabi returning to modeling in general. The last time Gabi was a model, she had a crazy stalker. (Granted, Gabi faked the whole stalker thing, but Will doesn't know that Gabi was faking.) So, I was hoping that Will would be concerned about Gabi possibly having another stalker. This would put Gabi in an awkward position because she'd have to convince Will that she and Ari would be safe if Gabi returned to modeling. And Gabi would have to alleviate Will's fears without revealing that she lied about Andrew stalking her.

And the whole fake stalker thing coming to the forefront again would increase the Gabi/Sonny tension, and Sonny would feel bad that Gabi's lies were causing Will to be terrified that Gabi and Ari could be in danger if Gabi returned to modeling. This would be a great way to heighten the drama and could increase the chance of Sonny telling Will about "the Melanie thing."
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nananana7
Nov 22 2013, 01:58 PM
metitle
Nov 22 2013, 01:47 PM
Rosebud
Nov 22 2013, 01:46 PM
Did we miss what Jennifer said to Eric?
yes we did.
Apparently we missed this:
https://twitter.com/DaysCafe/status/403940016893612032

followed by this
https://twitter.com/DaysCafe/status/403940085969612800

followed by this
https://twitter.com/DaysCafe/status/403942234015272960
Thank you very much. I wonder what the point of all that is?
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AFaithL
Nov 22 2013, 01:59 PM
metitle
Nov 22 2013, 01:47 PM
Rosebud
Nov 22 2013, 01:46 PM
Did we miss what Jennifer said to Eric?
yes we did.
That she didn't "realize" how disturbed Kristen was, and that Kristen thought she might have been pregnant.
I guess the writers really did forget Jennifer's history with Kristen :rolleyes:
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metitle
Nov 22 2013, 02:00 PM
I dont know if its the JFK remembrance, but the episode ended on a blah.
It did not feel like a cliffhanger Friday.
It ended differently today. It ended, then there were a load of commercials, then the Corday logo ending.
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Re: Jennifer's history with Kristen. It was 15 years ago and the woman was disturbed. After years of intensive therapy, its in character for Jennifer to say, you know what, maybe this woman is the person I used to know. They made a point of having Jennifer distrustful when she first saw Kristen, but eventually gave her benefit of the doubt. Time does change a lot of people. It just didn't change Kristen. Now Jennifer not having more doubts after the initial wedding bust is a little bit of a stretch even considering that, but again nothing had been done to her or her family.
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Keith
Nov 22 2013, 03:03 PM
I do think Sonny needs to step back, but not for the reasons most do. I hate that people keep bringing up that he's not Ari's father, as if biology is the only thing that matters. The show has a history of bringing a child that lacks biology to a couple and having the unrelated half of the couple still embrace the child as their own. Maggie/Mickey/Melissa, Mickey/Sarah, Julie/Hope, Marlena/Carrie, Marlena/Brady, etc. I do think Sonny is taking it a step too far and needs to step back, but I don't think he gets no say in this situation, either. He's no victim. Neither is Gabi.
It is never consistent however. A prime example is Marlena and Brady. They switch that relationship with each new plot.
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i meant to post this yesterday but ... I wish that Kim and Shane had been around longer ...

and it would've been an interesting nod to history if Kim had learned about what Victor did. She was manipulated by Victor all those years ago. And now to hear how Victor has affected her nephew Eric. ...

But with a 3-episode appearance, they didn't go there.
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On the topic of biology, I think it's wrong when characters raise kids as their own, then treat them as less important than their biological kids, but I'm not ready to consider Sonny Ari's honorary dad or to feel like he has any real say in her life. The baby is only six months old and wilson haven't even gotten married. If Ari grows up in Salem, when it's all said and done, she could rack up a dozen temporary daddies between Gabi and Will. If they break up tomorrow, it wouldn't be appropriate for Sonny to try and maintain a parent/child bond with Ari. While the Marlena/Carrie/Brady bond outlasted the formal step-parent/child arrangement and with good reason.
Edited by six, Nov 22 2013, 07:58 PM.
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Lori
Nov 22 2013, 01:23 PM
If the goal is providing for Ari then Gabi should have taken Sami's offer, it was a good deal.
Clearly the goal is looking out for herself. It would've been one thing if she said she was moving to New York two years ago, but she's a mother now, and she can't be purely looking out for her own interests. It's extremely selfish and inconsiderate of her to take Arianna Grace away from her family when she clearly has alternative options.

I mean what kind of life is she expecting to provide for her daughter if she becomes some big-shot model? One full of money, with Arianna Grace growing up with nannies, babysitters and strangers? Gabi's basic, and a total tool. I hope they kill her off when CB leaves.
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KAM


For anyone who's interested, I just made a post in Jason's thread about today's Kennedy memorial coverage. There is a link to an article in today's NY Times about the interruption of the broadcast of As the World Turns as well as the ATWT episode itself. Given the interruptions in today's DOOL episode, I thought these links made a great historical comparison with soaps and TV broadcasting today.
Edited by KAM, Nov 22 2013, 08:20 PM.
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