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Nov 24 2013, 02:17 AM
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Umm, Sonny can't give up his business, but he feels Gabi should give up her daughter. Yeah, now who's the ass?
Sonny has not asked Gabi to give up her daughter.
He was ready to take her to court and have her declared an unfit mother on completely baseless grounds, so...
Well, he has a reason to question her fitness as a mother... he knows she was a desperate psycho who orchestrated Melanie's kidnapping, which ultimately lead to Jack and Madison's deaths. I mean the fact that she lost control over a guy she had no chance with is enough to question one's capacity to mother a child. I'm not claiming Will is any more perfect, but still... I don't think "baseless grounds" is very accurate. There are grounds, they are just unknown to most of town. Right... Except she didn't orchestrate a kidnapping. She just hired a guy to pretend to stalk her so her ex would feel protective and possibly realize he still had feelings for her.
It's not like she shot a guy in the head and then let someone else go to jail for it and was even willing to give up custody of her child just so she didn't have to pay for it.
Ok, soap central has a list of criminal activity on character profiles (lol!) here's will's
Got into a lot of fights at school (2002) Accidentally hurt Abby while playing (2002) Ran away from home (2006) Picked up for underage drinking (2007) Shot E.J. DiMera (2007) Obstruction of Justice; provided false information to police pertaining to E.J.'s shooting and Arianna's hit-and-run (October 2010) Tried to blackmail E.J. (2012) Broke into Abe's computer and stole Abe's jobs plan for E.J. (2012) Obstruction of Justice; provided false information to police pertaining to Detective Bernardi's shooting (June 2013)
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False police report- faked a stalker to get Chad's attention (March 2012 - July 2012) Accessory to kidnapping and false imprisonment- learned that Andrew had kidnapped Melanie and kept quiet (July 2012) Conspiracy to cover up a crime; withheld information about Melanie's kidnapping (July 2012)
I just don't think accessory to kidnapping is huge in Salem, considering everything every other person has done.
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Nov 24 2013, 03:27 AM
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He was ready to take her to court and have her declared an unfit mother on completely baseless grounds, so...
Well, he has a reason to question her fitness as a mother... he knows she was a desperate psycho who orchestrated Melanie's kidnapping, which ultimately lead to Jack and Madison's deaths. I mean the fact that she lost control over a guy she had no chance with is enough to question one's capacity to mother a child. I'm not claiming Will is any more perfect, but still... I don't think "baseless grounds" is very accurate. There are grounds, they are just unknown to most of town.
Right... Except she didn't orchestrate a kidnapping. She just hired a guy to pretend to stalk her so her ex would feel protective and possibly realize he still had feelings for her. It's not like she shot a guy in the head and then let someone else go to jail for it and was even willing to give up custody of her child just so she didn't have to pay for it. Ok, soap central has a list of criminal activity on character profiles (lol!) here's will's Got into a lot of fights at school (2002) Accidentally hurt Abby while playing (2002) Ran away from home (2006) Picked up for underage drinking (2007) Shot E.J. DiMera (2007) Obstruction of Justice; provided false information to police pertaining to E.J.'s shooting and Arianna's hit-and-run (October 2010) Tried to blackmail E.J. (2012) Broke into Abe's computer and stole Abe's jobs plan for E.J. (2012) Obstruction of Justice; provided false information to police pertaining to Detective Bernardi's shooting (June 2013) And Gabi's: False police report- faked a stalker to get Chad's attention (March 2012 - July 2012) Accessory to kidnapping and false imprisonment- learned that Andrew had kidnapped Melanie and kept quiet (July 2012) Conspiracy to cover up a crime; withheld information about Melanie's kidnapping (July 2012) I just don't think accessory to kidnapping is huge in Salem, considering everything every other person has done. it shouldn't be, but this is Salem where SAMI acts like Gabi is the worst person in the world.
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Nov 24 2013, 09:06 AM
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The major difference between the crime of Will's that is constantly brought up is he was an unstable minor and Gabi was an unstable adult. Both young, but Will was probably pressured then by Lucas to let him take the wrap. At his age, I don't think there was an sense of "allowing" his father to take the fall. And that pressure doesn't go away when you get older. Will is a wimp, which is a character flaw, but not a crime. For all intents and purposes, Will was a kid protecting his family and EJ could give a rat's ass about him serving any time for the crime.
On the other hand, Gabi had multiple opportunities to put a stop to the crime as it was happening and chose not to as a result of her instability regarding wanting a man. Had she not invented the stalker, none of what she set into motion would have happened. She enabled Andrew. A crime? No. But he would not have had the opportunity to act on his crazy without Gabi's interference. Hell, she could have told police that her stalker had kidnapped her friend instead of HELPING her fake stalker. There's a lot more culpability in her than people really give her credit for. She had plenty of outs but took the wimpy way out - like adult Will now, except for one thing: how many of her victims know what she did? Chad and Melanie. That's it. Sonny wasn't a victim, unless you count his uncle & namesake being killed. But Jack & Sonny were never, unfortunately, shown having a relationship. Do I think it would be believable for non-grieving Jen to have a reaction now? No. But Brady is arguably still mourning Madison. And consider JJ, who has been acting out the past few months because of his father's death. And Abigail, who clearly has issues with regard to handling men in her life. It coming out would not only level the field between Gabi and Will, but provide some nice story vehicles.
And at the end of the day, the depth of the crime is dependent purely on the victim. EJ doesn't care. Gabi's victims haven't gotten the chance to care. They've been deprived of that.
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Nov 24 2013, 01:21 PM
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On the other hand, Gabi had multiple opportunities to put a stop to the crime as it was happening and chose not to as a result of her instability regarding wanting a man.
I freely admit that I full-on hate Gabi. CB is lovely and seems charming, it's not her fault that her character is a mess but she surely isn't adding any layers.
I didn't love Melanie and I kinda liked crazy Andrew so having him hold her hostage all summer wasn't exactly a bad thing in my book. What I have an issue with, and what pushed me from "Why is Gabi on my screen if they can't be bothered to make her interesting?" to "Get this ho OFF my screen!" was the Gabster's reaction to the explosion and all that followed.
"Poor me! It's so awful that I might get in trouble for hiring a stalker, not reporting a kidnapping and lying all over the place." Which was nearly as bad as "Poor me, I feel SO bad that Melanie is being held hostage by that nutjob I hired but what can I do?" It's the combination of whining ineptitude and whining self-pity that grates.
Although it would entertain me greatly to see Gabi in a Women in Chains s/l I'll settle for having everyone in Salem know she's a stalker-hiring, kidnapping-abetting wench. In Salem that probably wouldn't warrant revoking her Junior League membership but just one scene of Abby remembering that she's a daddy's girl and going off on Gabi would be delightful.
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Nov 24 2013, 01:27 PM
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I don't like Gabi at all, but I don't think Jack and Madison are her victims. Melanie is. I do wish that Jack's family had the chance to know what happened (particularly Abby), but as far as her going to prison or anything, I think that's just stupid. Most of the people in Salem who know what she did have done far worse and they're still walking around free and as self-righteous about it as could be.
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Nov 24 2013, 02:04 PM
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I'm not talking about the cover up. Ultimately, I'd consider what Gabi did to be just as bad or maaaybe a little worse than what Will did (because of the age differences and relationships to the victims), but it would still mean that neither of them should really have Ari, until after getting some serious help. But the story is that both of them have changed and neither of them are a danger to the baby, so I don't think Gabi's crime should be weighing more heavily on Sonny than Will's does.
The problem is Will suffered for his crime with blackmail (three times) and guilt over it. He consistently wanted to turn himself in but always people talked him out of it. Gabi on the other hand, never paid for it. The victims of her crime never forgave her. She was living with Melanie's grandmother and she never felt any guilt. She blamed Chad for not recognizing her crazy infatuation with him. Her brother covered up for her. She at least needs to feel some punishment for her crime. Everyone in Salem who committed a crime faced some sort of ramification, but Gabi is seeing as innocent as Ari. I don't want her to go to jail but I want Maggie, Daniel, Abi and JJ to find out what she did, then she will pay for her crime. Another way the two crimes differ is that Will's crime was crime of passion, while Gabi had plenty of time to do something but continued to let that maniac keep her "best friend."
Will committed his crime. He "considered turning himself in" in a whiny poor me way, but no one had a gun to his head talking him out of it. He never actually intended to do it. And he allowed his DAD to go to jail for what he did and never said a word. Gabi's crime was ONLY the not saying anything part. She hired a guy to pretend to stalk her and then was blackmailed into not saying anything after he went crazy and kidnapped Melanie. That was HIM, not her. The only thing she did that was actually even illegal was not reporting a kidnapping. Yes it was shitty but she also was dealing with someone who had evidence that made her seem like she asked him to kidnap Melanie, and she had no way to prove it wasn't true. After it came out, she was sorry and apologized- her victim knew what she had done, and she also talked about turning herself in several times. She also prostrated herself to Sonny over it when she was having Ari. Will is BY FAR the worse out of the two, and the situations aren't even comparable. I feel like the people who are upset she doesn't have the brunt of the (accidental) explosion and the 2 (extremely random and also accidental) deaths it caused thrust on her maybe just don't like her and want to see her character trashed. Which is fine, she's kind of an unlikable character, and her eyebrows are wayyyy too close together. But she's really not any more responsible for Jack or Madison's deaths than Abigail or Brady, and I'm so sick of watching people become pariahs for things they don't do. I like Gabi, and I think she's guilty as sin when it comes to the deaths of Jack and Madison. Like Keith said, she set everything that happened in motion.
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Nov 24 2013, 03:13 PM
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Hasn't been discussed much here but I'm totally happy with the Rafe & Jordan s/l. So glad it is away from Sami's orbit and hopefully Kate will soon be too distracted to inflict much damage due to her involvement with Sami & Gabi's little chaos. Jordan has been written in a terribly robotic manner and it's nice to see her soften and have a sweet personality emerge. I've enjoyed watching Rafe slowly accepting & closing the chapter of his life with Sami and Kate, and looking forward to a new phase, hopefully with Jordan. The past few months have been so inundated with Kristen & Brady, Sami & EJ, Dan & Jennifer, that I welcome seeing a new and fresh romance blossom.... hopefully that'll also include one for Eric & Nicole down the road. Sometimes sex scenes don't have to be titillating because they are from angry sex, rape, etc. .... more often it is from the wonder of the newness that lies ahead.... I look forward to seeing how the writers treat these two couples in the coming months...they've been waiting in the wings long enough..... as we have.
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Nov 24 2013, 03:32 PM
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While I have no interest in the Eric/Nicole storyline, I am enjoying Rafe and Jordan's. I didn't mind her robotic demeanor, as I simply interpreted that as her being professional.
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Nov 24 2013, 03:52 PM
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Do these people not realize that the more they press Gabi to turn down this contract, the more she might want to do it just to get away from their meddling?
Will and the small army of fellow drama queens in his camp never learn.
I'm sorry, WHO's the drama queen? Gabi is up there with the rest of them. If she makes a major life decision for her and her child purely out of SPITE, then she has the maturity of a tween. It won't be long before Ari is smarter than her. Hello New York modelling contract vs small midwestern town modelling contract.
Let alone the fact that your boss would be the woman who dumped your brother, tried to kill your sister with a paper weight, and is pretty much out of control.
I don't think Gabi is taking the New York option out of spite it's the better offer.
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Nov 24 2013, 03:53 PM
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I wasn't expecting Sami to offer a counter modeling contract. What logic is there in her not taking it and ending the drama over Ari? Would you work for your mother in law?
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I wasn't expecting Sami to offer a counter modeling contract. What logic is there in her not taking it and ending the drama over Ari?
I think Sami nailed it when she said Gabi is dreaming of a glamorous NY lifestyle. If I were her, I'd want to put some miles between myself and Jekyll and Hyde Sonny, too.
Gabi can't live the "glamorous NY lifestyle" with a baby on her hip. Unless she intends to leave Ari with nannies most of the time. What are you talking about - the media would have us believe that all the supermodels are happily working with baby on their hip. See Miranda Kerr, Heidi Klum, etc etc.
The baby is almost the new small white handbag dog.
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Nov 24 2013, 04:21 PM
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I wasn't expecting Sami to offer a counter modeling contract. What logic is there in her not taking it and ending the drama over Ari?
Would you work for your mother in law? LOL. Besides, every time the girl is shown getting a call or text from Sami, you can see that Sami's the last person she wants to communicate/interact with.
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Nov 24 2013, 04:24 PM
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Do these people not realize that the more they press Gabi to turn down this contract, the more she might want to do it just to get away from their meddling?
Will and the small army of fellow drama queens in his camp never learn.
I'm sorry, WHO's the drama queen? Gabi is up there with the rest of them. If she makes a major life decision for her and her child purely out of SPITE, then she has the maturity of a tween. It won't be long before Ari is smarter than her.
Hello New York modelling contract vs small midwestern town modelling contract. Let alone the fact that your boss would be the woman who dumped your brother, tried to kill your sister with a paper weight, and is pretty much out of control. I don't think Gabi is taking the New York option out of spite it's the better offer. Gabi doesn't know about the violence and conspiracy perpetrated against Arianna Sr.
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Nov 24 2013, 06:37 PM
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While I have no interest in the Eric/Nicole storyline, I am enjoying Rafe and Jordan's. I didn't mind her robotic demeanor, as I simply interpreted that as her being professional. I've been the opposite: loving the Eric/Nicole s/l, barely able to stay awake during the Rafe/Jordan scenes. When I finally did witness the cookie scenes I was pleasantly surprised. It was nice to see CS doing anything other than walk around with a shower caddy and write notes. In my ideal scenario, CS/Jordan does for Rafe what LR/Billie did for RRKBO: make all the things about the character that I loathe palatable.
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Nov 24 2013, 08:22 PM
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The problem is Will suffered for his crime with blackmail (three times) and guilt over it. He consistently wanted to turn himself in but always people talked him out of it. Gabi on the other hand, never paid for it. The victims of her crime never forgave her. She was living with Melanie's grandmother and she never felt any guilt. She blamed Chad for not recognizing her crazy infatuation with him. Her brother covered up for her. She at least needs to feel some punishment for her crime. Everyone in Salem who committed a crime faced some sort of ramification, but Gabi is seeing as innocent as Ari. I don't want her to go to jail but I want Maggie, Daniel, Abi and JJ to find out what she did, then she will pay for her crime. Another way the two crimes differ is that Will's crime was crime of passion, while Gabi had plenty of time to do something but continued to let that maniac keep her "best friend."
Will committed his crime. He "considered turning himself in" in a whiny poor me way, but no one had a gun to his head talking him out of it. He never actually intended to do it. And he allowed his DAD to go to jail for what he did and never said a word. Gabi's crime was ONLY the not saying anything part. She hired a guy to pretend to stalk her and then was blackmailed into not saying anything after he went crazy and kidnapped Melanie. That was HIM, not her. The only thing she did that was actually even illegal was not reporting a kidnapping. Yes it was shitty but she also was dealing with someone who had evidence that made her seem like she asked him to kidnap Melanie, and she had no way to prove it wasn't true. After it came out, she was sorry and apologized- her victim knew what she had done, and she also talked about turning herself in several times. She also prostrated herself to Sonny over it when she was having Ari. Will is BY FAR the worse out of the two, and the situations aren't even comparable. I feel like the people who are upset she doesn't have the brunt of the (accidental) explosion and the 2 (extremely random and also accidental) deaths it caused thrust on her maybe just don't like her and want to see her character trashed. Which is fine, she's kind of an unlikable character, and her eyebrows are wayyyy too close together. But she's really not any more responsible for Jack or Madison's deaths than Abigail or Brady, and I'm so sick of watching people become pariahs for things they don't do.
I like Gabi, and I think she's guilty as sin when it comes to the deaths of Jack and Madison. Like Keith said, she set everything that happened in motion. So EJ is responsible for Fay's death since he kept quiet about Rafe 2.Sami and Will are responsible for Arianna's death since she shot EJ and she and Will kept quiet about it and covered it up.Stefano is responsible for Bernardi's death,Sami being in jail,Chad getting shot,Marge going to prison,Timmy growing up without his mother and father,and Chad leaving Salem.I hope all of Salem finds out about their crimes then they find out about Gabi's crime.After Will,Sami,EJ,and Stefano go to prison Gabi can go too.
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I wasn't expecting Sami to offer a counter modeling contract. What logic is there in her not taking it and ending the drama over Ari?
Would you work for your mother in law? After all Sami,EJ,and Stefano have done to Gabi,Arianna,and Rafe,Gabi would be fool to put herself at their mercy by turning down a legitimat job officer from a modeling agency verified by Justin as being a good deal to go work for Countess W.Gabi knows if she took a job with Countess W and made one wrong step,Sami would be in her face calling her all kinds of bitches and threatening to fire her,she would truly be under Sami's thumb since EJ would deny Sami nothing she wanted including bankrupting Countess W to get rid of her.Gabi taking the New York job offer would actually be a no brainer. It's true.No good deed goes unpunished.Gabi could have decided to go to Kate's place(wherever it is) when she left the hospital but she decided to agree to Sonny's suggestion that she move in with him and Will so Will could spend as much time with his daughter as he wanted.Because of this decision she is now a selfish bitch "freeloading" off Sonny and "attempting to dump Arianna" on Sonny and Will at every opportunity.If Gabi leaves Arianna with Will,Sonny,Sami,and Kate while she goes to New York to earn enough money to take care of her and her daughter for the foreseeable future,she willl be a self bitch thinking only of her self while Will,Sonny,Sami,and Kate take care of the baby she "abandoned" in order to run off to New York and pursue a carefree existence.I am sure Will will give up college to become a stay at home Dad taking care of his child and sacrificing his dreams of being the next Hemmingway because the selfish bitch was thinking only of herself when she went to New York or Sonny can give up his business while he becomes a stay at home Dad to little Arianna who is just like a daughter to him.Or perhaps while Sami is not willing to personally take care of her own children ,she will however,give up her job at Countess W/DE and stay home to take care of little Ari so that little Ari willl not be left with the servants or a nanny although she does have the option volunteering Caroline for baby sitting.Or perhaps Kate I am sure she would be willing to take of little Ari just like all the time she spent taking care of Billie,Austin,Lucas,and the space kids. There are plenty of working single mothers who manage to take care of their children without leaving them beind in another city.
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Will committed his crime. He "considered turning himself in" in a whiny poor me way, but no one had a gun to his head talking him out of it. He never actually intended to do it. And he allowed his DAD to go to jail for what he did and never said a word. Gabi's crime was ONLY the not saying anything part. She hired a guy to pretend to stalk her and then was blackmailed into not saying anything after he went crazy and kidnapped Melanie. That was HIM, not her. The only thing she did that was actually even illegal was not reporting a kidnapping. Yes it was shitty but she also was dealing with someone who had evidence that made her seem like she asked him to kidnap Melanie, and she had no way to prove it wasn't true. After it came out, she was sorry and apologized- her victim knew what she had done, and she also talked about turning herself in several times. She also prostrated herself to Sonny over it when she was having Ari. Will is BY FAR the worse out of the two, and the situations aren't even comparable. I feel like the people who are upset she doesn't have the brunt of the (accidental) explosion and the 2 (extremely random and also accidental) deaths it caused thrust on her maybe just don't like her and want to see her character trashed. Which is fine, she's kind of an unlikable character, and her eyebrows are wayyyy too close together. But she's really not any more responsible for Jack or Madison's deaths than Abigail or Brady, and I'm so sick of watching people become pariahs for things they don't do.
I like Gabi, and I think she's guilty as sin when it comes to the deaths of Jack and Madison. Like Keith said, she set everything that happened in motion.
So EJ is responsible for Fay's death since he kept quiet about Rafe 2.Sami and Will are responsible for Arianna's death since she shot EJ and she and Will kept quiet about it and covered it up.Stefano is responsible for Bernardi's death,Sami being in jail,Chad getting shot,Marge going to prison,Timmy growing up without his mother and father,and Chad leaving Salem.I hope all of Salem finds out about their crimes then they find out about Gabi's crime.After Will,Sami,EJ,and Stefano go to prison Gabi can go too. If you ever get bored enough to search through my posts, you'll see that I argued for every last one of those positions. It's kind of uncanny. I don't want anyone to go to jail though. Not because they're not terrible people who totally belong there (because they definitely are), but because they're entertaining and I'd miss them if they left.
Oh and all of Salem already knows about EJ's role in Fay's death, Rafe is apparently cool with Sami and Will's role in Ari Sr.'s death, and everyone is aware that Stefano set the chain of events in motion that lead to Sami's trial, Marge's meltdown etc. Thew writers flat out had characters say he was responsible for everything that happened. And they're right.
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Nov 24 2013, 11:19 PM
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I don't like Gabi but I wouldn't necessarily say that she is the one responsible for the deaths of Madison or Jack. Obviously, Andrew was....Gabi's crime is that she knew what happened to Mel and didn't help until it was barely too late. I don't for a second believe anyone in Salem can ever point a finger at Gabi and want her to pay for whatever freaking crime they want her to pay for unless they all cart themselves to jail with her. It's frankly ironic that she will end up likely being the one that goes to jail, since we know Camila will be leaving Days soon....
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Nov 24 2013, 11:55 PM
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- Nov 24 2013, 11:13 PM
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I like Gabi, and I think she's guilty as sin when it comes to the deaths of Jack and Madison. Like Keith said, she set everything that happened in motion.
So EJ is responsible for Fay's death since he kept quiet about Rafe 2.Sami and Will are responsible for Arianna's death since she shot EJ and she and Will kept quiet about it and covered it up.Stefano is responsible for Bernardi's death,Sami being in jail,Chad getting shot,Marge going to prison,Timmy growing up without his mother and father,and Chad leaving Salem.I hope all of Salem finds out about their crimes then they find out about Gabi's crime.After Will,Sami,EJ,and Stefano go to prison Gabi can go too.
If you ever get bored enough to search through my posts, you'll see that I argued for every last one of those positions. It's kind of uncanny. I don't want anyone to go to jail though. Not because they're not terrible people who totally belong there (because they definitely are), but because they're entertaining and I'd miss them if they left. Oh and all of Salem already knows about EJ's role in Fay's death, Rafe is apparently cool with Sami and Will's role in Ari Sr.'s death, and everyone is aware that Stefano set the chain of events in motion that lead to Sami's trial, Marge's meltdown etc. Thew writers flat out had characters say he was responsible for everything that happened. And they're right. I just don't see that Gabi's behavior renders her unworthy to parent her own child and warrants her being found out by all of Salem and sent to prison while Sami,EJ,and Stefano are seen as great parents and wonderful gray characters who should conquer all lesser mortals in Salem.
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Nov 25 2013, 12:13 AM
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I like Gabi, and I think she's guilty as sin when it comes to the deaths of Jack and Madison. Like Keith said, she set everything that happened in motion.
So EJ is responsible for Fay's death since he kept quiet about Rafe 2.Sami and Will are responsible for Arianna's death since she shot EJ and she and Will kept quiet about it and covered it up.Stefano is responsible for Bernardi's death,Sami being in jail,Chad getting shot,Marge going to prison,Timmy growing up without his mother and father,and Chad leaving Salem.I hope all of Salem finds out about their crimes then they find out about Gabi's crime.After Will,Sami,EJ,and Stefano go to prison Gabi can go too.
If you ever get bored enough to search through my posts, you'll see that I argued for every last one of those positions. It's kind of uncanny. I don't want anyone to go to jail though. Not because they're not terrible people who totally belong there (because they definitely are), but because they're entertaining and I'd miss them if they left. Oh and all of Salem already knows about EJ's role in Fay's death, Rafe is apparently cool with Sami and Will's role in Ari Sr.'s death, and everyone is aware that Stefano set the chain of events in motion that lead to Sami's trial, Marge's meltdown etc. Thew writers flat out had characters say he was responsible for everything that happened. And they're right. And yet Kristen's the devil. She didn't kill ANYONE. Just drugged a guy who happens to be a priest into sleeping with her and having it appear consensual.
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