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Friday, November 22nd Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Nov 22 2013, 12:47 AM (14,423 Views)
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Angelsmile
Nov 22 2013, 01:58 PM
Personally, I am still surprised that everyone thinks Sonny should just pay the bills, take care of the baby, and shut up. He may not be the parent, but it is highly insensitive to suggest that this should not affect him emotionally in any way or that he is wrong to care.
He's right to care, and it's wonderful that he loves Ari like his own, but she isn't, so he needs to stop acting like Gabi is some stranger who's taking his daughter away. And it's not even like wilson are a united front against Gabi, which would be more understandable. Sonny has taken it upon himself to take the lead and say all kinds of nasty things to Gabi, to get Sami involved, even when Will didn't want her to be, etc. He needs to take a giant step back.
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i feel that Sonny has sacrificed a lot in this relationship. i mean he let the baby mama move in with his bf, even tho he doesn't really like her and he even contributes in raising the child. and now his suppose to leave everything he has and move. if it were me id have dump Wills sorry ass along time ago.

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Nov 22 2013, 02:13 PM
Angelsmile
Nov 22 2013, 02:01 PM
badaddiction
Nov 22 2013, 01:55 PM
Umm, Sonny can't give up his business, but he feels Gabi should give up her daughter. Yeah, now who's the ass?
Sonny has not asked Gabi to give up her daughter.
He was ready to take her to court and have her declared an unfit mother on completely baseless grounds, so...
Now, now....Sonny knows what Gabi is capable of. He know about the Melanie/Andrew/Salem go BOOOM! situation. So it's not entirely baseless.
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Nov 22 2013, 02:20 PM
Angelsmile
Nov 22 2013, 01:58 PM
Personally, I am still surprised that everyone thinks Sonny should just pay the bills, take care of the baby, and shut up. He may not be the parent, but it is highly insensitive to suggest that this should not affect him emotionally in any way or that he is wrong to care.
He's right to care, and it's wonderful that he loves Ari like his own, but she isn't, so he needs to stop acting like Gabi is some stranger who's taking his daughter away. And it's not even like wilson are a united front against Gabi, which would be more understandable. Sonny has taken it upon himself to take the lead and say all kinds of nasty things to Gabi, to get Sami involved, even when Will didn't want her to be, etc. He needs to take a giant step back.
True, but he's burdened with the knowledge of Gabi's bad deeds. Will isn't.
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Nov 22 2013, 02:14 PM
Angelsmile
Nov 22 2013, 01:58 PM
Will telling Sonny not to make him choose should give Sonny some indication of how Adrienne felt when he said it to her. That being said, really will he can sell his club and move with you to New York and get a job bartending no problem? What a big step up, don't know why he isn't excited about it.

Personally, I am still surprised that everyone thinks Sonny should just pay the bills, take care of the baby, and shut up. He may not be the parent, but it is highly insensitive to suggest that this should not affect him emotionally in any way or that he is wrong to care.
I agree. Is Sonny not supposed to have issues with anything Will decides? Sonny has a life in Salem outside of his relationship with Will. But Will seems to expect that Sonny should have no problem with leaving his business in Salem and going to New York to work as a bartender in order to accommodate Gabi. I think Sonny has every right to say "wait a minute".
It's extremely selfish of Will to expect Sonny to leave his studies, family and his bussiness behind and become a waiter. What a nice and supportive partner you've got there, Sonny!
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Nov 22 2013, 02:26 PM
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Nov 22 2013, 02:20 PM
Angelsmile
Nov 22 2013, 01:58 PM
Personally, I am still surprised that everyone thinks Sonny should just pay the bills, take care of the baby, and shut up. He may not be the parent, but it is highly insensitive to suggest that this should not affect him emotionally in any way or that he is wrong to care.
He's right to care, and it's wonderful that he loves Ari like his own, but she isn't, so he needs to stop acting like Gabi is some stranger who's taking his daughter away. And it's not even like wilson are a united front against Gabi, which would be more understandable. Sonny has taken it upon himself to take the lead and say all kinds of nasty things to Gabi, to get Sami involved, even when Will didn't want her to be, etc. He needs to take a giant step back.
True, but he's burdened with the knowledge of Gabi's bad deeds. Will isn't.
While what Gabi did was horrible, I'm not sure how burdened by it Sonny should be when he's knowingly sharing his bed with an attempted murderer.
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I'm tired of people acting like Will & Gabi descended on Chez Sonny like locusts & refuse to leave. Sonny ASKED Will to move in with him. Gabi was all set to move in with Kate (if I remember correctly) until Sonny INSISTED that Gabi move in with him and Will (did he even switch apartments to get the extra room before he even TOLD Gabi about it?). Sonny has been subtly, passive-aggressively manipulating situations to get this "perfect" little situation just so he could make Will happy & keep hold of him. Sonny is far from some poor, put upon victim.
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Nov 22 2013, 02:11 PM
Angelsmile
Nov 22 2013, 02:01 PM
badaddiction
Nov 22 2013, 01:55 PM
Umm, Sonny can't give up his business, but he feels Gabi should give up her daughter. Yeah, now who's the ass?
Sonny has not asked Gabi to give up her daughter.
No, he's done worse, i.e., putting forth the idea of having her declared an unfit mother so that he can keep her daughter.
While I think the characterization of his actions as being "so that he can keep her daughter" is a little unfair/untrue, I do think that suggesting they try to declare her unfit was wrong. I was simply clarifying the facts. I also think that calling her a selfish bitch and threatening to blackmail her was wrong. I also understand that what is being portrayed is how emotions can get out of hand where a baby is concerned. I think the fact that Gabi has insisted Sonny fulfill parental responsibilities and Will has been more than happy to accept Sonny's sharing in these responsibilities to expect him to now act as if he doesn't care what happens to Ari and to not be affected by what is going on is ridiculous. Has he overreacted? Definitely. Has he overstepped? Pretty much. Is he now irredeemable and the worst person in Salem? Please.
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Nov 22 2013, 02:28 PM
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Nov 22 2013, 02:26 PM
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Nov 22 2013, 02:20 PM
Angelsmile
Nov 22 2013, 01:58 PM
Personally, I am still surprised that everyone thinks Sonny should just pay the bills, take care of the baby, and shut up. He may not be the parent, but it is highly insensitive to suggest that this should not affect him emotionally in any way or that he is wrong to care.
He's right to care, and it's wonderful that he loves Ari like his own, but she isn't, so he needs to stop acting like Gabi is some stranger who's taking his daughter away. And it's not even like wilson are a united front against Gabi, which would be more understandable. Sonny has taken it upon himself to take the lead and say all kinds of nasty things to Gabi, to get Sami involved, even when Will didn't want her to be, etc. He needs to take a giant step back.
True, but he's burdened with the knowledge of Gabi's bad deeds. Will isn't.
While what Gabi did was horrible, I'm not sure how burdened by it Sonny should be when he's knowingly sharing his bed with an attempted murderer.
Circumstances of both situations are entirely different. Will, underage and under extreme stress. Then directed by the adults in his life to cover it up. Gabi, legal adult, put her "best friend" in danger to get a man and cover her ass. All decisions made were her own.
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Even though Ari isn't Sonny's legal child or biological child ...
I think that Ari is a child of Sonny's heart.
It's understandable that he'd be emotional.
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gailwinters
Nov 22 2013, 02:14 PM
Angelsmile
Nov 22 2013, 01:58 PM
Will telling Sonny not to make him choose should give Sonny some indication of how Adrienne felt when he said it to her. That being said, really will he can sell his club and move with you to New York and get a job bartending no problem? What a big step up, don't know why he isn't excited about it.

Personally, I am still surprised that everyone thinks Sonny should just pay the bills, take care of the baby, and shut up. He may not be the parent, but it is highly insensitive to suggest that this should not affect him emotionally in any way or that he is wrong to care.
I agree. Is Sonny not supposed to have issues with anything Will decides? Sonny has a life in Salem outside of his relationship with Will. But Will seems to expect that Sonny should have no problem with leaving his business in Salem and going to New York to work as a bartender in order to accommodate Gabi. I think Sonny has every right to say "wait a minute".
Word.
I feel like I'm in the twilight zone.

So what if Gabitch has to go to Paris, Italy, China, etc for her job for months and she wants to take Ari, should Will expect Sonny to drop his bartending job and leave. What if Gabi marries and her husband finds a job in somewhere else, should Will expect Sonny to drop whatever and go too. Will's solution is not realistic. The only realistic thing is to share custody and Will is refusing. How many things has Sonny done for Will. Yet, here is Will doing emotional blackmail.

Also Will, Sonny is business owner not a bartender.

Where is Marlena to talk some sense into her idiot grandson.

I do think that Sonny is awesome too. I told you Sonny. You should have chosen Brian.
Frankly, I don't think that Will respects Sonny let alone loves him. Adrienne was so right.
I really would love this show to give Sonny some agency in this relationship instead of constantly being Will's doormat and Sonny always agreeing in the end whatever Will wants for himself or for Gabitch.
Edited by Sevprince, Nov 22 2013, 03:28 PM.
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Matt
Nov 22 2013, 02:30 PM
I'm tired of people acting like Will & Gabi descended on Chez Sonny like locusts & refuse to leave. Sonny ASKED Will to move in with him. Gabi was all set to move in with Kate (if I remember correctly) until Sonny INSISTED that Gabi move in with him and Will (did he even switch apartments to get the extra room before he even TOLD Gabi about it?). Sonny has been subtly, passive-aggressively manipulating situations to get this "perfect" little situation just so he could make Will happy & keep hold of him. Sonny is far from some poor, put upon victim.
I love that Kirakis part of him. But when he needs to take a seat, I have no problem with that. I hope they are trying to deliberately go in this direction more with Sonny. He's so much more interesting this way.
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Sevprince
Nov 22 2013, 02:33 PM
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Nov 22 2013, 02:14 PM
Angelsmile
Nov 22 2013, 01:58 PM
Will telling Sonny not to make him choose should give Sonny some indication of how Adrienne felt when he said it to her. That being said, really will he can sell his club and move with you to New York and get a job bartending no problem? What a big step up, don't know why he isn't excited about it.

Personally, I am still surprised that everyone thinks Sonny should just pay the bills, take care of the baby, and shut up. He may not be the parent, but it is highly insensitive to suggest that this should not affect him emotionally in any way or that he is wrong to care.
I agree. Is Sonny not supposed to have issues with anything Will decides? Sonny has a life in Salem outside of his relationship with Will. But Will seems to expect that Sonny should have no problem with leaving his business in Salem and going to New York to work as a bartender in order to accommodate Gabi. I think Sonny has every right to say "wait a minute".
Word.
I feel like I'm in the twilight zone.

So what if Gabitch has to go to Paris, Italy, China, etc for her job for months and she wants to take Ari, should Will expect Sonny to drop his bartending job and leave. What if Gabi marries and her husband finds a job in somewhere else, should Will expect Sonny to drop whatever and go too. Will's solution is not realistic. The only realistic thing is to share custody and Will is refusing. How many things has Sonny done for Will. Yet, here is Will doing emotional blackmail.

Also Will, Sonny is business owner not a bartender.

Where is Marlena to talk some sense into her idiot grandson.

I do think that Sonny awesome too. I told you Sonny. You should have chosen Brian.
Frankly, I don't think that Will respect Sonny let alone loves him. Adrienne was so right.
I really would love this show to give Sonny some agency in this relationship instead of constantly being Will's doormat and Sonny always agreeing in the end whatever Will wants for himself or for Gabi.
I agree Will is being unrealistic, BUT, I think we are finally seeing the extent of the trauma he experienced growing up. That tug-of-war fucked him up something awful. He's so desperate to avoid it, he's not thinking straight.
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Nov 22 2013, 02:25 PM
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Nov 22 2013, 02:13 PM
Angelsmile
Nov 22 2013, 02:01 PM
badaddiction
Nov 22 2013, 01:55 PM
Umm, Sonny can't give up his business, but he feels Gabi should give up her daughter. Yeah, now who's the ass?
Sonny has not asked Gabi to give up her daughter.
He was ready to take her to court and have her declared an unfit mother on completely baseless grounds, so...
Now, now....Sonny knows what Gabi is capable of. He know about the Melanie/Andrew/Salem go BOOOM! situation. So it's not entirely baseless.
Yes it is. One has nothing to do with the other. Gabi is a good mother and if Sonny thinks it would be hard to part from Ari, imagine how hard it would be for mother and daughter to be apart. Gabi is not just a surrogate mother for those two. Will gets it, Sonny doesn't. Neither does Sami or Kate obviously. Those two need to stay out of it completely but being the meddlesome bitches that they are, I suppose that is impossible.
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Nov 22 2013, 02:26 PM
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Nov 22 2013, 02:20 PM
Angelsmile
Nov 22 2013, 01:58 PM
Personally, I am still surprised that everyone thinks Sonny should just pay the bills, take care of the baby, and shut up. He may not be the parent, but it is highly insensitive to suggest that this should not affect him emotionally in any way or that he is wrong to care.
He's right to care, and it's wonderful that he loves Ari like his own, but she isn't, so he needs to stop acting like Gabi is some stranger who's taking his daughter away. And it's not even like wilson are a united front against Gabi, which would be more understandable. Sonny has taken it upon himself to take the lead and say all kinds of nasty things to Gabi, to get Sami involved, even when Will didn't want her to be, etc. He needs to take a giant step back.
True, but he's burdened with the knowledge of Gabi's bad deeds. Will isn't.
Gabi also expects him to take an equal share in taking care of Ari. Just the other day when she brought her to the club she promised to "take a shift with Ari" for him. If he's expected to care for the child equally, then he should have an equal say where her wellbeing is concerned.

About the unfit thing, I think it's more about soup writers being dumb and uninformed about child custody. They seem to think the only reason a parent loses custody is if they're an unfit parent. My uncle got the custody of his kids because it was the interest of the children to stay with their extended support and familiar surrounding rather than being moved with a mother who had a demanding career.
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Nov 22 2013, 02:32 PM
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True, but he's burdened with the knowledge of Gabi's bad deeds. Will isn't.
While what Gabi did was horrible, I'm not sure how burdened by it Sonny should be when he's knowingly sharing his bed with an attempted murderer.
Circumstances of both situations are entirely different. Will, underage and under extreme stress. Then directed by the adults in his life to cover it up. Gabi, legal adult, put her "best friend" in danger to get a man and cover her ass. All decisions made were her own.
I'm not talking about the cover up. Ultimately, I'd consider what Gabi did to be just as bad or maaaybe a little worse than what Will did (because of the age differences and relationships to the victims), but it would still mean that neither of them should really have Ari, until after getting some serious help. But the story is that both of them have changed and neither of them are a danger to the baby, so I don't think Gabi's crime should be weighing more heavily on Sonny than Will's does.
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Nov 22 2013, 02:28 PM
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Nov 22 2013, 01:58 PM
Personally, I am still surprised that everyone thinks Sonny should just pay the bills, take care of the baby, and shut up. He may not be the parent, but it is highly insensitive to suggest that this should not affect him emotionally in any way or that he is wrong to care.
He's right to care, and it's wonderful that he loves Ari like his own, but she isn't, so he needs to stop acting like Gabi is some stranger who's taking his daughter away. And it's not even like wilson are a united front against Gabi, which would be more understandable. Sonny has taken it upon himself to take the lead and say all kinds of nasty things to Gabi, to get Sami involved, even when Will didn't want her to be, etc. He needs to take a giant step back.
True, but he's burdened with the knowledge of Gabi's bad deeds. Will isn't.
While what Gabi did was horrible, I'm not sure how burdened by it Sonny should be when he's knowingly sharing his bed with an attempted murderer.
Exactly! Nobody there has room to cast stones at the other between that bunch.
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Nov 22 2013, 01:46 PM
This Ericole scene makes no sense happening at the rectory.
Very random and pointless.
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I think Gabi moving to NY will be moot shortly, so I won't be getting my knickers in a twist just yet.
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Nov 22 2013, 02:24 PM
i feel that Sonny has sacrificed a lot in this relationship. i mean he let the baby mama move in with his bf, even tho he doesn't really like her and he even contributes in raising the child. and now his suppose to leave everything he has and move. if it were me id have dump Wills sorry ass along time ago.

I'm in the "Sonny needs to step off" camp, but I do agree with you that I often wonder when it's going to be Sonny's turn to have his needs met and what exactly he gets out of this relationship. Will is an attractive and ultimately good guy, sure, but he's super duper needy and comes with extreme amounts of baggage.
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