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Monday, December 2nd Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Dec 2 2013, 12:45 AM (10,476 Views)
tomsawyer
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lysie
Dec 2 2013, 04:42 PM
tomsawyer
Dec 2 2013, 04:17 PM
lysie
Dec 2 2013, 04:04 PM
tomsawyer
Dec 2 2013, 03:48 PM

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I don't agree regarding Alan, and I thought Bernardi was completely out of character too. EJ I'm up in the air on because he was alive before she had time to react like she normally would. But even then she freaked out, just in a different way. She even initially freaked out about Bernardi. That didn't change until she started realizing she was being accused of murder. But it's less about her feeling badly about what did and more that she used to have a little more regard for human life. That, IMO, was a distinct difference in both her and Kate and both her and Nicole.
I'll drop the Alan part. I don't remember lots of remorse, but I could be wrong since I haven't watched those scene since their initial airing.

I definitely remember no remorse with either EJ or Bernardi, except for how it affected Johnny and Sydney, and Marge and Timmy (and even that wasn't played up that much). In that way, the lack of remorse isn't any kind of new development with this Nick story. And I still see a distinction from someone like Kate because of the level of crime that she thought that EJ, Bernardi and Nick were in the process of committing (kidnapping, murder, rape). This is different than Kate who tried to kill Chloe just because she was cheating on her son.
Like I said, the remorse for Bernardi was very brief and was dropped as soon as she realized she was being accused of murder and I also thought that was out of character. She was remorseless with EJ too but I also addressed that. Regardless, Sami's character has been around a lot longer than what's happened with EJ and Bernardi. Historically, her lack of remorse has been for ruining people's lives, not ending them. That's where her conscience has generally kicked in. And that's why, unlike Kate and Nicole, she doesn't have a list of attempted murders. She's acting like she has Kate's history and she doesn't. Meanwhile, Kate is acting a little more like Sami than she is herself.

Kate didn't go after Chloe just because she cheated on Lucas. Who she cheated with was a big part of that.
If it was 2010, I'd agree that her disregard for any human life seems out of character. But since she crossed that bridge three years ago and keeps crossing it, I no longer think of it as something she doesn't do. She still isn't in Kate territory though.

Anyway, my initial point was about her fairly calm reaction to the Nick and EJ situations, which is out of character for her. The stamping, screeching and freaking out gets old, so I've appreciated seeing her more measured in her response. She seems more in control and I like it.
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I think we're seeing a transition in Sami. Looking at today's show, two things struck me. First, Sami's dream was about Nick pulling her underwater and drowning her. It wasn't a dream about Nick's family or friends wondering where he was or Nick dying. Second, her conversation with EJ shows where she has landed in her relationship with EJ. There has been a lot this year about Sami becoming a Dimera -- her "lady of the manor" facade that was thankfully short-lived, some of the Victor-esque "my family first" decisions she has made, and so forth.

Sami seems to be getting to a point where she's internally acknowledging how Dimera-like she's becoming. At some point she'll have to make a decision about how much of Sami Brady she's willing to sacrifice to become Sami Dimera. I suspect it will come down to Eric.

(That, or I need to stop watching 'The Walking Dead' right before 'Days' because I'm finding way too many parallels between Sami and the Governor.)
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Dec 2 2013, 04:50 PM
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Dec 2 2013, 04:27 PM
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Dec 2 2013, 04:23 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepThis is different than Kate who tried to kill Chloe just because she was cheating on her son.
Kate was a caustin fan. I've always wondered why she didn't go after Carrie for cheating on Austin with Mike.
Kate didn't try to kill Chloe 'just because she was cheating on her son.' Kate went homicidal because Chloe was cheating with Daniel, who had just been Kate's lover. She hated the idea of Daniel making her son look like a fool. So the plan was to frame Daniel for Chloe's murder. Like so much on DOOL, it was as much or more about Daniel than Chloe or anyone else. After a while Chloe began to seem like collateral damage in Kate's plan to get Daniel.

As for Carrie, Kate just never had enough built up layers of enmity to hate her like she did Sami and to spend the energy to be nefarious. A girl's gotta pick her murderous battles after all. :D
LOL, I didn't expect her to kill Carrie (since that was long before Kate started trying to kill people for who they slept with), but she could have tried to ruin her life or stopped wanting her with Austin.
Kate didn't hate Carrie, and, as Ophelia said in another post, Kate was just too busy to bother with Carrie. Mike started coming between Caustin while Kate was busy trying to protect Lucas over Franco's shooting and Austin was trying to help Sami on the run from death row. After that got resolved, Kate was busy trying to lure Sami over the edge of an Italian cliff with that Will doll and putting a mob hit on Victor at the coronation, then later hitting him with a poker and setting the K mansion on fire. And Carrie never rubbed Kate's face in anything the way Sami did. The nicer sister wisely rode off into the sunset while Kate was otherwise engaged. LOL
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tomsawyer
Dec 2 2013, 05:02 PM
lysie
Dec 2 2013, 04:42 PM
tomsawyer
Dec 2 2013, 04:17 PM
lysie
Dec 2 2013, 04:04 PM

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I'll drop the Alan part. I don't remember lots of remorse, but I could be wrong since I haven't watched those scene since their initial airing.

I definitely remember no remorse with either EJ or Bernardi, except for how it affected Johnny and Sydney, and Marge and Timmy (and even that wasn't played up that much). In that way, the lack of remorse isn't any kind of new development with this Nick story. And I still see a distinction from someone like Kate because of the level of crime that she thought that EJ, Bernardi and Nick were in the process of committing (kidnapping, murder, rape). This is different than Kate who tried to kill Chloe just because she was cheating on her son.
Like I said, the remorse for Bernardi was very brief and was dropped as soon as she realized she was being accused of murder and I also thought that was out of character. She was remorseless with EJ too but I also addressed that. Regardless, Sami's character has been around a lot longer than what's happened with EJ and Bernardi. Historically, her lack of remorse has been for ruining people's lives, not ending them. That's where her conscience has generally kicked in. And that's why, unlike Kate and Nicole, she doesn't have a list of attempted murders. She's acting like she has Kate's history and she doesn't. Meanwhile, Kate is acting a little more like Sami than she is herself.

Kate didn't go after Chloe just because she cheated on Lucas. Who she cheated with was a big part of that.
If it was 2010, I'd agree that her disregard for any human life seems out of character. But since she crossed that bridge three years ago and keeps crossing it, I no longer think of it as something she doesn't do. She still isn't in Kate territory though.

Anyway, my initial point was about her fairly calm reaction to the Nick and EJ situations, which is out of character for her. The stamping, screeching and freaking out gets old, so I've appreciated seeing her more measured in her response. She seems more in control and I like it.
I agree this version of Sami is more bearable I hope we get to keep it and don't suffer a relapse.

I'm just not sure its Sami but I'll take it.

It would have been better soap writing if there had been more of a gradual journey to this point and we'd seen the evolution to this version. I would take it as being more genuine and less a one off plot writing/acting choice WTF.
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Dec 2 2013, 05:18 PM
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Dec 2 2013, 04:50 PM
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Dec 2 2013, 04:44 PM
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Dec 2 2013, 04:27 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepThis is different than Kate who tried to kill Chloe just because she was cheating on her son.
Kate didn't try to kill Chloe 'just because she was cheating on her son.' Kate went homicidal because Chloe was cheating with Daniel, who had just been Kate's lover. She hated the idea of Daniel making her son look like a fool. So the plan was to frame Daniel for Chloe's murder. Like so much on DOOL, it was as much or more about Daniel than Chloe or anyone else. After a while Chloe began to seem like collateral damage in Kate's plan to get Daniel.

As for Carrie, Kate just never had enough built up layers of enmity to hate her like she did Sami and to spend the energy to be nefarious. A girl's gotta pick her murderous battles after all. :D
LOL, I didn't expect her to kill Carrie (since that was long before Kate started trying to kill people for who they slept with), but she could have tried to ruin her life or stopped wanting her with Austin.
Kate didn't hate Carrie, and, as Ophelia said in another post, Kate was just too busy to bother with Carrie. Mike started coming between Caustin while Kate was busy trying to protect Lucas over Franco's shooting and Austin was trying to help Sami on the run from death row. After that got resolved, Kate was busy trying to lure Sami over the edge of an Italian cliff with that Will doll and putting a mob hit on Victor at the coronation, then later hitting him with a poker and setting the K mansion on fire. And Carrie never rubbed Kate's face in anything the way Sami did. The nicer sister wisely rode off into the sunset while Kate was otherwise engaged. LOL
I wish Carrie was still around. Sami was much more enjoyable when there was someone who could call her out around.
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Dec 2 2013, 05:18 PM
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Dec 2 2013, 04:50 PM
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Dec 2 2013, 04:44 PM
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Dec 2 2013, 04:27 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepThis is different than Kate who tried to kill Chloe just because she was cheating on her son.
Kate didn't try to kill Chloe 'just because she was cheating on her son.' Kate went homicidal because Chloe was cheating with Daniel, who had just been Kate's lover. She hated the idea of Daniel making her son look like a fool. So the plan was to frame Daniel for Chloe's murder. Like so much on DOOL, it was as much or more about Daniel than Chloe or anyone else. After a while Chloe began to seem like collateral damage in Kate's plan to get Daniel.

As for Carrie, Kate just never had enough built up layers of enmity to hate her like she did Sami and to spend the energy to be nefarious. A girl's gotta pick her murderous battles after all. :D
LOL, I didn't expect her to kill Carrie (since that was long before Kate started trying to kill people for who they slept with), but she could have tried to ruin her life or stopped wanting her with Austin.
Kate didn't hate Carrie, and, as Ophelia said in another post, Kate was just too busy to bother with Carrie. Mike started coming between Caustin while Kate was busy trying to protect Lucas over Franco's shooting and Austin was trying to help Sami on the run from death row. After that got resolved, Kate was busy trying to lure Sami over the edge of an Italian cliff with that Will doll and putting a mob hit on Victor at the coronation, then later hitting him with a poker and setting the K mansion on fire. And Carrie never rubbed Kate's face in anything the way Sami did. The nicer sister wisely rode off into the sunset while Kate was otherwise engaged. LOL
I'll grant you that Kate was preoccupied at the time, but the fact that she never hated Carrie was my whole problem with it. IMO, Austin was her favorite child, and I think Kate, being Kate, would at least be a little cool toward Carrie to this day.
Edited by six, Dec 2 2013, 05:36 PM.
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Dec 2 2013, 01:55 PM
Kayla just called JJ "bub".
Kayla's on?

Kayla sighting?

Yay, me!

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tomsawyer
Dec 2 2013, 04:19 PM
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Dec 2 2013, 04:05 PM
I was surprised that Daniel was so friendly with EJ, too, but I think they've done a good job of establishing that EJ is okay with Daniel. I actually thought EJ was going to have to pull some strings to keep Daniel from getting fired.
I wonder if EJ-Dan being on friendly terms is somehow going to play into...
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I don't get why EJ is so friendly since Dan basically helped Nicole hiding the real father of EJ and ' child and faking tests so Rafe was said to be the father. EJ knows this. Well, i guess Dan saving the life of his brother, .. :/ helped maybe?

I guess there is a say, keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer.
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Dec 2 2013, 05:41 PM
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Dec 2 2013, 01:55 PM
Kayla just called JJ "bub".
Kayla's on?

Kayla sighting?

Yay, me!

Double Yay . Love a Kayla day. Wish they would give her a story. Even a little short arc one. Something other than pop up.
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Dec 2 2013, 05:41 PM
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I was surprised that Daniel was so friendly with EJ, too, but I think they've done a good job of establishing that EJ is okay with Daniel. I actually thought EJ was going to have to pull some strings to keep Daniel from getting fired.
I wonder if EJ-Dan being on friendly terms is somehow going to play into...
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I don't get why EJ is so friendly since Dan basically helped Nicole hiding the real father of EJ and ' child and faking tests so Rafe was said to be the father. EJ knows this. Well, i guess Dan saving the life of his brother, .. :/ helped maybe?

I guess there is a say, keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer.
Cuz he saved Johnny's eye and Chad's life. Plus, EJ gets shot or beaten up a lot himself, so it makes sense he'd be nice to the only doctor in Salem.
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tomsawyer
Dec 2 2013, 05:51 PM
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Dec 2 2013, 04:19 PM
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Dec 2 2013, 04:05 PM
I was surprised that Daniel was so friendly with EJ, too, but I think they've done a good job of establishing that EJ is okay with Daniel. I actually thought EJ was going to have to pull some strings to keep Daniel from getting fired.
I wonder if EJ-Dan being on friendly terms is somehow going to play into...
Spoiler: click to toggle
I don't get why EJ is so friendly since Dan basically helped Nicole hiding the real father of EJ and ' child and faking tests so Rafe was said to be the father. EJ knows this. Well, i guess Dan saving the life of his brother, .. :/ helped maybe?

I guess there is a say, keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer.
Cuz he saved Johnny's eye and Chad's life. Plus, EJ gets shot or beaten up a lot himself, so it makes sense he'd be nice to the only doctor in Salem.
Mmmmmm

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Dec 2 2013, 05:58 PM
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I don't get why EJ is so friendly since Dan basically helped Nicole hiding the real father of EJ and ' child and faking tests so Rafe was said to be the father. EJ knows this. Well, i guess Dan saving the life of his brother, .. :/ helped maybe?

I guess there is a say, keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer.
Cuz he saved Johnny's eye and Chad's life. Plus, EJ gets shot or beaten up a lot himself, so it makes sense he'd be nice to the only doctor in Salem.
Mmmmmm

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Kayla really ought to resent Daniel more. She never gets to work.
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That's not actually Kayla. It's Mary Beth on SVU.
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Sorry it was hard finding a photo of Kayla in Dr get Up on google images search.

4 pages later and this all I've got.

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It's okay'

I know Mary Beth has a recurring role in a new ABC Family show called Chasing Life.

The movie will air in early 2014, with a series to follow. Mary Beth is in the series.

I wonder if she'll play a doctor there too.
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Dec 2 2013, 06:45 PM
That's not actually Kayla. It's Mary Beth on SVU.
I was wondering when Days got such a high tech office.
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I almost did not recognize Maxine without her nurse's scrubs.

I usually like Anne but this bogus statement she wants Theresa to make is pure amateur hour.

What a pity that just as Sami's nightmare ends, she wakes up and my nightmare begins.
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Hospital board meeting had noting to do with Theresa's od, It's all about tan the super hero who needs more worship and loved by everyone in salem. They should keep nick and kill daniel. He's a useless character and i can't stand to look at his orange and angry face.
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My eyes are already dizzy from all of the rolling they have been doing over this latest argument between EJ and Sami. She's mad because he kept quiet about a secret not involving either of them, a secret he learned shortly before it became public. She helped cover up a self-defense attack and then tried to kill a guy. Sami's hypocrisy truly knows no bounds.

Jennifer has no business attending this hearing of Daniel's given their prior personal relationship.
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So now that JJ is "clean," does this mean no more Rory and Bev? And why was JJ making up lame excuses about avoiding them. He can just explain he needs to keep his nose clean because he's got an upcoming hearing. They should know that too.
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