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Topic Started: Dec 2 2013, 12:45 AM (10,477 Views)
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JaneDigby
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Dec 2 2013, 04:23 PM
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See, I don't think not feeling bad about what she did is out of character at all for Sami (but the not freaking out is). She's consistently been pretty remorseless when she thinks another character is getting what they deserved (see her shooting of Alan, EJ or Bernardi). She may feel bad for the innocent people that get hurt in the process, but she's been pretty willing to dole out her own brand of justice in the past without feeling remorse. It's just that she is normally freaking out at the same time, as opposed to calmly taking action.
I don't agree regarding Alan, and I thought Bernardi was completely out of character too. EJ I'm up in the air on because he was alive before she had time to react like she normally would. But even then she freaked out, just in a different way. She even initially freaked out about Bernardi. That didn't change until she started realizing she was being accused of murder. But it's less about her feeling badly about what did and more that she used to have a little more regard for human life. That, IMO, was a distinct difference in both her and Kate and both her and Nicole.
I'll drop the Alan part. I don't remember lots of remorse, but I could be wrong since I haven't watched those scene since their initial airing. I definitely remember no remorse with either EJ or Bernardi, except for how it affected Johnny and Sydney, and Marge and Timmy (and even that wasn't played up that much). In that way, the lack of remorse isn't any kind of new development with this Nick story. And I still see a distinction from someone like Kate because of the level of crime that she thought that EJ, Bernardi and Nick were in the process of committing (kidnapping, murder, rape). This is different than Kate who tried to kill Chloe just because she was cheating on her son. A little OT but why didn't Kate try to kill Carrie for cheating on Lucas? I could have gotten behind that in a big way.
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Dec 2 2013, 04:24 PM
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I was surprised that Daniel was so friendly with EJ, too, but I think they've done a good job of establishing that EJ is okay with Daniel. I actually thought EJ was going to have to pull some strings to keep Daniel from getting fired.
EJ being all supportive of Daniel was a head scratcher for me. I guess everyone just crumbles in the face of all that perfection and .. whatever. Pretty soon Stefano will be trying to adopt him. I like SC fine but my personal version of Days Eric and EJ are sauna buddies, not Daniel and EJ. EJ and Stefano are supportive of Daniel now out of gratitude for his saving Chad. There was a reference to that. As for Daniel being friendly to EJ, I just think Daniel was in no position to be unnecessarily antagonistic to anyone in that group right then.
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I was surprised that Daniel was so friendly with EJ, too, but I think they've done a good job of establishing that EJ is okay with Daniel. I actually thought EJ was going to have to pull some strings to keep Daniel from getting fired.
EJ being all supportive of Daniel was a head scratcher for me. I guess everyone just crumbles in the face of all that perfection and .. whatever. Pretty soon Stefano will be trying to adopt him. I like SC fine but my personal version of Days Eric and EJ are sauna buddies, not Daniel and EJ. It wasn't unexpected to me, after EJ let Daniel skate on the DR thing, because he'd helped Johnny, then Daniel saved Chad.
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I don't agree regarding Alan, and I thought Bernardi was completely out of character too. EJ I'm up in the air on because he was alive before she had time to react like she normally would. But even then she freaked out, just in a different way. She even initially freaked out about Bernardi. That didn't change until she started realizing she was being accused of murder. But it's less about her feeling badly about what did and more that she used to have a little more regard for human life. That, IMO, was a distinct difference in both her and Kate and both her and Nicole.
I'll drop the Alan part. I don't remember lots of remorse, but I could be wrong since I haven't watched those scene since their initial airing. I definitely remember no remorse with either EJ or Bernardi, except for how it affected Johnny and Sydney, and Marge and Timmy (and even that wasn't played up that much). In that way, the lack of remorse isn't any kind of new development with this Nick story. And I still see a distinction from someone like Kate because of the level of crime that she thought that EJ, Bernardi and Nick were in the process of committing (kidnapping, murder, rape). This is different than Kate who tried to kill Chloe just because she was cheating on her son.
A little OT but why didn't Kate try to kill Carrie for cheating on Lucas? I could have gotten behind that in a big way. Kate was a caustin fan. I've always wondered why she didn't go after Carrie for cheating on Austin with Mike.
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Dec 2 2013, 04:32 PM
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I don't agree in this instance. It actually strips her of one her few humanizing qualities. It annoys me more though that they're acting like this is old hat for her. It's not.
See, I don't think not feeling bad about what she did is out of character at all for Sami (but the not freaking out is). She's consistently been pretty remorseless when she thinks another character is getting what they deserved (see her shooting of Alan, EJ or Bernardi). She may feel bad for the innocent people that get hurt in the process, but she's been pretty willing to dole out her own brand of justice in the past without feeling remorse. It's just that she is normally freaking out at the same time, as opposed to calmly taking action.
Sami was very remorseful over shooting Alan. She did not even mean to shoot him. She was trying to stop him from attacking her again. She also hated Franco but was remorseful the second she thought she killed him. She even helped to save Kate. Sami's brand of justice is mental torture. Murder was a line much like cheating Sami didn't cross. This is not maturing a character. You add layers to mature not remove them. EXACTLY....this is more like DESTROYING a character...
making a non cheater cheat just because making someone that once didn't truly 'like' murder do it for shits and giggles and not care
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Dec 2 2013, 04:33 PM
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I don't agree regarding Alan, and I thought Bernardi was completely out of character too. EJ I'm up in the air on because he was alive before she had time to react like she normally would. But even then she freaked out, just in a different way. She even initially freaked out about Bernardi. That didn't change until she started realizing she was being accused of murder. But it's less about her feeling badly about what did and more that she used to have a little more regard for human life. That, IMO, was a distinct difference in both her and Kate and both her and Nicole.
I'll drop the Alan part. I don't remember lots of remorse, but I could be wrong since I haven't watched those scene since their initial airing. I definitely remember no remorse with either EJ or Bernardi, except for how it affected Johnny and Sydney, and Marge and Timmy (and even that wasn't played up that much). In that way, the lack of remorse isn't any kind of new development with this Nick story. And I still see a distinction from someone like Kate because of the level of crime that she thought that EJ, Bernardi and Nick were in the process of committing (kidnapping, murder, rape). This is different than Kate who tried to kill Chloe just because she was cheating on her son.
A little OT but why didn't Kate try to kill Carrie for cheating on Lucas? I could have gotten behind that in a big way. Cuz she was cheating with Austin, LOL.
She did, however, give Carrie the knife when she was making googly eyes at Rafe. That was pretty awesome.
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Dec 2 2013, 04:34 PM
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I don't agree regarding Alan, and I thought Bernardi was completely out of character too. EJ I'm up in the air on because he was alive before she had time to react like she normally would. But even then she freaked out, just in a different way. She even initially freaked out about Bernardi. That didn't change until she started realizing she was being accused of murder. But it's less about her feeling badly about what did and more that she used to have a little more regard for human life. That, IMO, was a distinct difference in both her and Kate and both her and Nicole.
I'll drop the Alan part. I don't remember lots of remorse, but I could be wrong since I haven't watched those scene since their initial airing. I definitely remember no remorse with either EJ or Bernardi, except for how it affected Johnny and Sydney, and Marge and Timmy (and even that wasn't played up that much). In that way, the lack of remorse isn't any kind of new development with this Nick story. And I still see a distinction from someone like Kate because of the level of crime that she thought that EJ, Bernardi and Nick were in the process of committing (kidnapping, murder, rape). This is different than Kate who tried to kill Chloe just because she was cheating on her son.
A little OT but why didn't Kate try to kill Carrie for cheating on Lucas? I could have gotten behind that in a big way. It called crappie writing.Kate cable to do extreme but tomsell version not fitting who she was was before.she did not tried to kill belle or Carrie when they cheated.if it so damm easy to try kill someoneshe would tried more to kill Sami than tried to kill chloe and making her hooker.
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Dec 2 2013, 04:35 PM
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And again, covering a murder isn't something she has experience in, so the way she's behaving like an old pro doesn't even make sense.
I 'd say covering her own ass is what she has experience in. What annoys me about Sami is that she always seems to believe her actions are justified while she acts outraged and judgemental about everybody else's. Her hypocrisy has no end. and when you think of it...she really doesn't have experience in covering her own ass either....look for Lucas to have done more of that for her in the 90s and for Rafe to have covered her ass for shooting Ej.
and didn't the Kate wanting to kill Chloe have more to do with her obsession with Daniel that the fact that she was cheating on Lucas....
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Dec 2 2013, 04:37 PM
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And again, covering a murder isn't something she has experience in, so the way she's behaving like an old pro doesn't even make sense.
I 'd say covering her own ass is what she has experience in. What annoys me about Sami is that she always seems to believe her actions are justified while she acts outraged and judgemental about everybody else's. Her hypocrisy has no end.
and when you think of it...she really doesn't have experience in covering her own ass either....look for Lucas to have done more of that for her in the 90s and for Rafe to have covered her ass for shooting Ej. and didn't the Kate wanting to kill Chloe have more to do with her obsession with Daniel that the fact that she was cheating on Lucas.... It was both as I recall.
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I'll drop the Alan part. I don't remember lots of remorse, but I could be wrong since I haven't watched those scene since their initial airing. I definitely remember no remorse with either EJ or Bernardi, except for how it affected Johnny and Sydney, and Marge and Timmy (and even that wasn't played up that much). In that way, the lack of remorse isn't any kind of new development with this Nick story. And I still see a distinction from someone like Kate because of the level of crime that she thought that EJ, Bernardi and Nick were in the process of committing (kidnapping, murder, rape). This is different than Kate who tried to kill Chloe just because she was cheating on her son.
A little OT but why didn't Kate try to kill Carrie for cheating on Lucas? I could have gotten behind that in a big way.
Cuz she was cheating with Austin, LOL. She did, however, give Carrie the knife when she was making googly eyes at Rafe. That was pretty awesome. What about the time Carrie cheated on Austin with Mike
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Dec 2 2013, 04:42 PM
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See, I don't think not feeling bad about what she did is out of character at all for Sami (but the not freaking out is). She's consistently been pretty remorseless when she thinks another character is getting what they deserved (see her shooting of Alan, EJ or Bernardi). She may feel bad for the innocent people that get hurt in the process, but she's been pretty willing to dole out her own brand of justice in the past without feeling remorse. It's just that she is normally freaking out at the same time, as opposed to calmly taking action.
I don't agree regarding Alan, and I thought Bernardi was completely out of character too. EJ I'm up in the air on because he was alive before she had time to react like she normally would. But even then she freaked out, just in a different way. She even initially freaked out about Bernardi. That didn't change until she started realizing she was being accused of murder. But it's less about her feeling badly about what did and more that she used to have a little more regard for human life. That, IMO, was a distinct difference in both her and Kate and both her and Nicole.
I'll drop the Alan part. I don't remember lots of remorse, but I could be wrong since I haven't watched those scene since their initial airing. I definitely remember no remorse with either EJ or Bernardi, except for how it affected Johnny and Sydney, and Marge and Timmy (and even that wasn't played up that much). In that way, the lack of remorse isn't any kind of new development with this Nick story. And I still see a distinction from someone like Kate because of the level of crime that she thought that EJ, Bernardi and Nick were in the process of committing (kidnapping, murder, rape). This is different than Kate who tried to kill Chloe just because she was cheating on her son. Like I said, the remorse for Bernardi was very brief and was dropped as soon as she realized she was being accused of murder and I also thought that was out of character. She was remorseless with EJ too but I also addressed that. Regardless, Sami's character has been around a lot longer than what's happened with EJ and Bernardi. Historically, her lack of remorse has been for ruining people's lives, not ending them. That's where her conscience has generally kicked in. And that's why, unlike Kate and Nicole, she doesn't have a list of attempted murders. She's acting like she has Kate's history and she doesn't. Meanwhile, Kate is acting a little more like Sami than she is herself.
Kate didn't go after Chloe just because she cheated on Lucas. Who she cheated with was a big part of that.
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepThis is different than Kate who tried to kill Chloe just because she was cheating on her son.
A little OT but why didn't Kate try to kill Carrie for cheating on Lucas? I could have gotten behind that in a big way.
Cuz she was cheating with Austin, LOL. She did, however, give Carrie the knife when she was making googly eyes at Rafe. That was pretty awesome.
What about the time Carrie cheated on Austin with Mike Unless Kate was planning on sleeping with Mike, it's still not the same as what happened with Chloe.
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Dec 2 2013, 04:44 PM
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I'll drop the Alan part. I don't remember lots of remorse, but I could be wrong since I haven't watched those scene since their initial airing. I definitely remember no remorse with either EJ or Bernardi, except for how it affected Johnny and Sydney, and Marge and Timmy (and even that wasn't played up that much). In that way, the lack of remorse isn't any kind of new development with this Nick story. And I still see a distinction from someone like Kate because of the level of crime that she thought that EJ, Bernardi and Nick were in the process of committing (kidnapping, murder, rape). This is different than Kate who tried to kill Chloe just because she was cheating on her son.
A little OT but why didn't Kate try to kill Carrie for cheating on Lucas? I could have gotten behind that in a big way.
Kate was a caustin fan. I've always wondered why she didn't go after Carrie for cheating on Austin with Mike. Kate didn't try to kill Chloe 'just because she was cheating on her son.' Kate went homicidal because Chloe was cheating with Daniel, who had just been Kate's lover. She hated the idea of Daniel making her son look like a fool. So the plan was to frame Daniel for Chloe's murder. Like so much on DOOL, it was as much or more about Daniel than Chloe or anyone else. After a while Chloe began to seem like collateral damage in Kate's plan to get Daniel.
As for Carrie, Kate just never had enough built up layers of enmity to hate her like she did Sami and to spend the energy to be nefarious. A girl's gotta pick her murderous battles after all. :D
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See, I don't think not feeling bad about what she did is out of character at all for Sami (but the not freaking out is). She's consistently been pretty remorseless when she thinks another character is getting what they deserved (see her shooting of Alan, EJ or Bernardi). She may feel bad for the innocent people that get hurt in the process, but she's been pretty willing to dole out her own brand of justice in the past without feeling remorse. It's just that she is normally freaking out at the same time, as opposed to calmly taking action.
Sami was very remorseful over shooting Alan. She did not even mean to shoot him. She was trying to stop him from attacking her again. She also hated Franco but was remorseful the second she thought she killed him. She even helped to save Kate. Sami's brand of justice is mental torture. Murder was a line much like cheating Sami didn't cross. This is not maturing a character. You add layers to mature not remove them.
EXACTLY....this is more like DESTROYING a character... making a non cheater cheat just because making someone that once didn't truly 'like' murder do it for shits and giggles and not care Oh Alan deserved it, Bang, shoot them in the crotch! Hey, let's shoot all rapist there. Alan, Jack, Sami, Kristen, EJ and Stefano. (for what he did to Sami & EJ's mom (unless he really is the KING of rock I mean)) In the old days if you stole, they cut off your hand, lie your tongue, and if you raped you were able to hit those high notes.
Sami is a loving woman who over reacts in a sadistic way. That is the definition of Samanta Gene Brady. I watched the scene, they weren't trying to kill Nick, IMO, they were freaking out. Sami does seem scrambled hell, she was crawling around on her hands and knees, hey Sami... you missed the wallet. Can Theo, Ciara, & Johnny figure this out and start there own SBI (Salem Bureau of Investigations?)
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As for Carrie, Kate just never had enough built up layers of enmity to hate her like she did Sami and to spend the energy to be nefarious. A girl's gotta pick her murderous battles after all. :D She's a busy woman. Too busy to even send her own texts. There's no way she'd have time to kill or maim everyone who made her list.
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And again, covering a murder isn't something she has experience in, so the way she's behaving like an old pro doesn't even make sense.
I 'd say covering her own ass is what she has experience in. What annoys me about Sami is that she always seems to believe her actions are justified while she acts outraged and judgemental about everybody else's. Her hypocrisy has no end.
and when you think of it...she really doesn't have experience in covering her own ass either....look for Lucas to have done more of that for her in the 90s and for Rafe to have covered her ass for shooting Ej. and didn't the Kate wanting to kill Chloe have more to do with her obsession with Daniel that the fact that she was cheating on Lucas.... Sami just gets herself in more trouble, dig deeper Sami, dig deeper!!
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See, I don't think not feeling bad about what she did is out of character at all for Sami (but the not freaking out is). She's consistently been pretty remorseless when she thinks another character is getting what they deserved (see her shooting of Alan, EJ or Bernardi). She may feel bad for the innocent people that get hurt in the process, but she's been pretty willing to dole out her own brand of justice in the past without feeling remorse. It's just that she is normally freaking out at the same time, as opposed to calmly taking action.
Sami was very remorseful over shooting Alan. She did not even mean to shoot him. She was trying to stop him from attacking her again. She also hated Franco but was remorseful the second she thought she killed him. She even helped to save Kate. Sami's brand of justice is mental torture. Murder was a line much like cheating Sami didn't cross. This is not maturing a character. You add layers to mature not remove them.
EXACTLY....this is more like DESTROYING a character... making a non cheater cheat just because making someone that once didn't truly 'like' murder do it for shits and giggles and not care I don't think it's fair to say Sami is killing people just because. It's not like she took a gun down to HTS and started blowing people away. Sami has thought about killing people and attempted to kill people numerous times. But she's only actually murdered one person and that was unplanned. And the nightmares she's having could be considered a form of guilt.
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepThis is different than Kate who tried to kill Chloe just because she was cheating on her son.
A little OT but why didn't Kate try to kill Carrie for cheating on Lucas? I could have gotten behind that in a big way.
Kate was a caustin fan. I've always wondered why she didn't go after Carrie for cheating on Austin with Mike.
Kate didn't try to kill Chloe 'just because she was cheating on her son.' Kate went homicidal because Chloe was cheating with Daniel, who had just been Kate's lover. She hated the idea of Daniel making her son look like a fool. So the plan was to frame Daniel for Chloe's murder. Like so much on DOOL, it was as much or more about Daniel than Chloe or anyone else. After a while Chloe began to seem like collateral damage in Kate's plan to get Daniel. As for Carrie, Kate just never had enough built up layers of enmity to hate her like she did Sami and to spend the energy to be nefarious. A girl's gotta pick her murderous battles after all. :D LOL, I didn't expect her to kill Carrie (since that was long before Kate started trying to kill people for who they slept with), but she could have tried to ruin her life or stopped wanting her with Austin.
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Dec 2 2013, 05:00 PM
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The fact that Sami is so calm about all of this should be the biggest most obvious flashing light sign that it's not in character.
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Dec 2 2013, 05:01 PM
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I'm still trying to figure out what Theresa's angle is ... at least she didn't read that ridiculous trash that Anne had written for her.
What does it say when Sami and Kate are a 1000 times more interesting that Sami and EJ?
Sigh ... I did like that Rafe / Jordan kiss.
Now we're going to have Theo running around with that $30,000 (rolling my eyes) earring just like Ciara ran around with that envelope with the incriminating photo of Kristen for months on end.
Do you think Rory and Bev finally got JJ's message? I missed the kiss... :headbang: "must watch later, must watch later"
And I think Theresa is trying to tease JJ & Jennifer, mess with Dr Tan and he won't want her (poor dillusional Theresa) and she would screw herself with her family. Anne is little league and Theresa is big league.
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