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Wednesday, December 11th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Dec 11 2013, 12:50 AM (13,434 Views)
AFaithL


"Days" needs to start taking some RISKS with their couples.....specifically those who are popular with others (EJ).

GH is doing a great job with a legitimate Sabrina/Patrick/Robin. It's got a lot of buzz right now and has fans riveted. Abby/EJ/Sami has the same potential to be heartwrenching and angst-ridden.
Edited by AFaithL, Dec 11 2013, 06:31 PM.
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Dec 11 2013, 12:23 PM
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Dec 11 2013, 12:14 PM
In Today's Episode:
Continuations: EJ/Sami, Will/Gabi, Kate/Rafe/Jordan, Theresa/JJ
Technically not scene continuations, so simply more of: Jen/Abby

So it's basically everyone from yesterday's episode, minus Dan, Parker, Hope, Ciara, & Theo, and no one new.
No Ericole again


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The lack of Ericole is making it difficult for me to concentrate on the other storylines, even though I don't hate them.

(And my browser's suckage is making it difficult for me to post anything properly.)
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But their problems reach far beyond EJ lies and Sami runs. What EJ did to Sami and her family wasn't lying to them. It was torture, rape, multiple attempted murders- Stephanie, Lucas, Rafe, Max, Belle-Sami being forced to tell her child that might be going blind she didn't even love him, and beyond- They are sweeping their actual history, problems, and issues under the rug, not dealing with them.
Yeah, all the things you mentioned aren't issues. They're past sins. You can't really "deal with" past sins because they already happened. The best you can do with sins is admit them, apologize for them and then deal with the underlying issues that caused you to commit the sins in the first place.

At this stage, I don't really get the point of or see the story in EJ and Sami walking through every single sin they committed against each other and apologizing for them. I mean, they could, but it would probably be the most boring episode ever. I'm much more interested in them dealing with the insecurities and issues in their dynamic that caused them to commit such horrible sins against each other in the first place.

ETA: @elci - Great post on the previous page. I don't always agree with you, but I love your arguments. I think you laid out the issue really well and I agree with you that there has to be some kind of breaking point eventually. EJ doesn't trust Sami's love enough to tell her the truth and Sami doesn't trust that EJ is capable of telling her the truth. They are obviously at an impasse and something has got to give. It makes sense to me that the breaches in trust so far haven't been great enough to create a real breaking point, but I would assume that's coming at some point in the coming months.
I feel the same about your posts, Tom. And the DR site might implode if we ever agreed on everything ;)

I wish I could hate on Ejami without being reasonable about what they are trying to get at, but I can't. I guess my issue with today is that I didn't find their fight all that mind-blowingly unique because I have seen these issues play out with MY FAVORITE COUPLE with slightly reversed roles. One could say Sami has in other relationships been the one fearful of telling the truth because she didn't trust the opposite party to stay - this all sounds very familiar to me (but I won't get into those comparisons AGAIN and I REALLY don't want to be starting anything on that front, so pretend I never mentioned it). The Ejami hatey-lovey antics don't do anything for me. That thing AS does where she is breathless and whispering and her voice trails off and then she says NO I CAN'T. Guh that all irritates the frakkk out of me. And even though I can acknowledge the Ejami talk today touched on "important" issues of truth and love and love without truth and truth without love and all of that, I didn't find it compelling - and that is why I am not a fan. I just don't care where they are involved. But I can acknowledge the meaty, substantive issues at the center. They don't grip me and I don't regard them as glorious or brilliant, but I can see they are there.

And main point was really to argue I can TOTALLY see a break happening, I can understand why it would happen, even expect it to happen, and in no way would I see the break as a running-away from the trust resolution stuff. It would just be another phase in the trust resolution labyrinth.

And also, Ejabby definitely interests me, so anything that Makes Room for Ejabby (was that a successful pun? no?) sounds good to me. But we prob disagree there :)

On bolded...funny you mentioned that because as I was watching the scenes I was thinking....this would be a PERFECT opportunity to do some real character growth in Sami and have her explore why she's had so many failed relationships and at the root of ALL of them was HER LYING. The one that had to battle the most was Lumi, because he didnt' trust her and she didn't trust him not to leave her when he found out her lie....same dance as Ejami are having now...Lumi came a long way to DEALING with their issues, they would have MEANINGFUL conversations where they actually would tackle the problems at hand and they did make headway and by the end of their 5 year relationship it was STILL the trust issues that tore them apart. What I mean by character growth on Sami's part, maybe now that she had someone she loves and he acts exactly the way she acted to those before when she loved them, that might prove to be what ultimately makes her realize that SHE was the culprit for a lot of the pain and heartache she's suffered through the years relationshipwise. She was terrified that Lucas would leave her, so she wouldn't tell him about this or that, he would end up leaving her when he found out but something stayed true...he would always come back...that is why he kept on telling her toward the end, "we should have trusted in our love"....it's kind of funny to have Sami behave just like Lucas behaves...I've always thought Lucas and Sami were the two most similar, the two liars that somehow now want to be with people that don't lie to them....it's hilarious if you think about just how similar they behave....the roles are completely reversed with Ejami and that is the way i've seen it for a long time...he's been playing the role Sami played all throughout her relationships all these years and she's turned into a combo of all her men combined.....it's kind of funny, kind of sad....if they were smart they'd use this to grow the character...but they aren't it's just another plot point to move the story along.
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Dec 11 2013, 05:32 PM
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Dec 11 2013, 01:25 PM
So...let me get this straight. Theresa is blackmailing JJ with a video, which would implicate his presence at her OD. Which would screw him over at his sentencing hearing or whateveritis. But if he gets caught helping her, he screws himself over. If he tells the truth, the same thing. Does she really have leverage here? Because being stealthy is something JJ seems to have forgotten about.
Yes, IMO, she does, as in 'Heads she wins, tails he loses.'

For as long as it lasts, Teresa has Jennifer's kid under her control, like a little slave, doing things that can get him into even more trouble. If he goes along and gets caught doing them, then Jennifer gets to deal with that legal fall out. If he does the right thing that he wants to do and comes clean to Jennifer about his and Daniel's roles on the OD night, then Jennifer also gets to know -- and see - her son doing drugs and having sex with Teresa, before the same legal fallout hits. And to Teresa's malicious glee, she didn't have to do a thing to get this leverage. 'Jenny' and JJ both walked into it all on their own.

The interesting thing is that the way Teresa can lose her leverage is if -- while she's tormenting him as her tool -- she keeps JJ around so much that she begins to fall for him. The kid is pretty darn appealing, after all.
She's already fallen for him--she's simply in denial. :)
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Dec 11 2013, 12:50 PM
Today's episode of Days of Our Lives features a guest-appearance by ScrunchyFace Sweeney.

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I think Jason needs to separately track appearances by that character. She may be challenging for the top-10.
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Yeah, all the things you mentioned aren't issues. They're past sins. You can't really "deal with" past sins because they already happened. The best you can do with sins is admit them, apologize for them and then deal with the underlying issues that caused you to commit the sins in the first place.

At this stage, I don't really get the point of or see the story in EJ and Sami walking through every single sin they committed against each other and apologizing for them. I mean, they could, but it would probably be the most boring episode ever. I'm much more interested in them dealing with the insecurities and issues in their dynamic that caused them to commit such horrible sins against each other in the first place.

ETA: @elci - Great post on the previous page. I don't always agree with you, but I love your arguments. I think you laid out the issue really well and I agree with you that there has to be some kind of breaking point eventually. EJ doesn't trust Sami's love enough to tell her the truth and Sami doesn't trust that EJ is capable of telling her the truth. They are obviously at an impasse and something has got to give. It makes sense to me that the breaches in trust so far haven't been great enough to create a real breaking point, but I would assume that's coming at some point in the coming months.
I feel the same about your posts, Tom. And the DR site might implode if we ever agreed on everything ;)

I wish I could hate on Ejami without being reasonable about what they are trying to get at, but I can't. I guess my issue with today is that I didn't find their fight all that mind-blowingly unique because I have seen these issues play out with MY FAVORITE COUPLE with slightly reversed roles. One could say Sami has in other relationships been the one fearful of telling the truth because she didn't trust the opposite party to stay - this all sounds very familiar to me (but I won't get into those comparisons AGAIN and I REALLY don't want to be starting anything on that front, so pretend I never mentioned it). The Ejami hatey-lovey antics don't do anything for me. That thing AS does where she is breathless and whispering and her voice trails off and then she says NO I CAN'T. Guh that all irritates the frakkk out of me. And even though I can acknowledge the Ejami talk today touched on "important" issues of truth and love and love without truth and truth without love and all of that, I didn't find it compelling - and that is why I am not a fan. I just don't care where they are involved. But I can acknowledge the meaty, substantive issues at the center. They don't grip me and I don't regard them as glorious or brilliant, but I can see they are there.

And main point was really to argue I can TOTALLY see a break happening, I can understand why it would happen, even expect it to happen, and in no way would I see the break as a running-away from the trust resolution stuff. It would just be another phase in the trust resolution labyrinth.

And also, Ejabby definitely interests me, so anything that Makes Room for Ejabby (was that a successful pun? no?) sounds good to me. But we prob disagree there :)

On bolded...funny you mentioned that because as I was watching the scenes I was thinking....this would be a PERFECT opportunity to do some real character growth in Sami and have her explore why she's had so many failed relationships and at the root of ALL of them was HER LYING. The one that had to battle the most was Lumi, because he didnt' trust her and she didn't trust him not to leave her when he found out her lie....same dance as Ejami are having now...Lumi came a long way to DEALING with their issues, they would have MEANINGFUL conversations where they actually would tackle the problems at hand and they did make headway and by the end of their 5 year relationship it was STILL the trust issues that tore them apart. What I mean by character growth on Sami's part, maybe now that she had someone she loves and he acts exactly the way she acted to those before when she loved them, that might prove to be what ultimately makes her realize that SHE was the culprit for a lot of the pain and heartache she's suffered through the years relationshipwise. She was terrified that Lucas would leave her, so she wouldn't tell him about this or that, he would end up leaving her when he found out but something stayed true...he would always come back...that is why he kept on telling her toward the end, "we should have trusted in our love"....it's kind of funny to have Sami behave just like Lucas behaves...I've always thought Lucas and Sami were the two most similar, the two liars that somehow now want to be with people that don't lie to them....it's hilarious if you think about just how similar they behave....the roles are completely reversed with Ejami and that is the way i've seen it for a long time...he's been playing the role Sami played all throughout her relationships all these years and she's turned into a combo of all her men combined.....it's kind of funny, kind of sad....if they were smart they'd use this to grow the character...but they aren't it's just another plot point to move the story along.
Well, you and Elci have summed up my thoughts rather more than adequately leaving me with little to add. Watching those scenes, there was definitely a sense of deja vu for me and apparently for the same reasons. They also made me fell rather weary because Sami is still embroiled in this same type of situation after all these years with no growth or self-awareness in sight.
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Dec 11 2013, 05:44 PM
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But their problems reach far beyond EJ lies and Sami runs. What EJ did to Sami and her family wasn't lying to them. It was torture, rape, multiple attempted murders- Stephanie, Lucas, Rafe, Max, Belle-Sami being forced to tell her child that might be going blind she didn't even love him, and beyond- They are sweeping their actual history, problems, and issues under the rug, not dealing with them.
Yeah, all the things you mentioned aren't issues. They're past sins. You can't really "deal with" past sins because they already happened. The best you can do with sins is admit them, apologize for them and then deal with the underlying issues that caused you to commit the sins in the first place.

At this stage, I don't really get the point of or see the story in EJ and Sami walking through every single sin they committed against each other and apologizing for them. I mean, they could, but it would probably be the most boring episode ever. I'm much more interested in them dealing with the insecurities and issues in their dynamic that caused them to commit such horrible sins against each other in the first place.

ETA: @elci - Great post on the previous page. I don't always agree with you, but I love your arguments. I think you laid out the issue really well and I agree with you that there has to be some kind of breaking point eventually. EJ doesn't trust Sami's love enough to tell her the truth and Sami doesn't trust that EJ is capable of telling her the truth. They are obviously at an impasse and something has got to give. It makes sense to me that the breaches in trust so far haven't been great enough to create a real breaking point, but I would assume that's coming at some point in the coming months.
You may find it boring, but to me, since this is a soap opera, not a porn film, I want to see family scenes and emotional connections, I want to see people delve into real emotional topics and have them out. I want to know why people do things, and how they feel about what they've done.

Dialog, whether to themselves or someone else, is a huge part of soap operas, along with simple family scenes, and I don't find that boring at all.

If someone is to be redeemed, this show is on five days a week, they have the time. To completely skip over it because some in the audience might be bored because there's no screaming or fucking involved... Well then it just turns into a man being rewarded with orgasms for the continuing and recent sins he's committed without remorse, by the one he violated the most. That doesn't bore me, it disgusts me.
I feel like you're creating a straw man argument since I said nothing about wanting to see a bunch of screaming and fucking rather than dialogue. My point is that I think the dialogue Ejami was having today is about the issues that caused them to do many of the bad things to each other you mentioned (save for EJ's pre-2007 BSC days). Their issues are obviously all rooted around a lack of trust and insecurities that are tied into that lack of trust that causes them to act in ways that are destructive to themselves and each other. I see zero point and, indeed, I would find it boring if they re-visited and apologized for every single sin. Like I said, what's more interesting to me is finding the common insecurities and issues that caused them to begin their destructive cycle of behavior against each other. That's what I feel like they're starting to do and to me that's much more interesting than their sin list.
Edited by tomsawyer, Dec 11 2013, 07:35 PM.
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Dec 11 2013, 06:22 PM
"Days" needs to start taking some RISKS with their couples.....specifically those who are popular with others (EJ).

GH is doing a great job with a legitimate Sabrina/Patrick/Robin. It's got a lot of buzz right now and has fans riveted. Abby/EJ/Sami has the same potential to be heartwrenching and angst-ridden.
IMO they are not. It does not have me riveted. Patrick looks silly and Robin is coming off pathetic while Sabrina is continually being propped :shrug:
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Yeah, all the things you mentioned aren't issues. They're past sins. You can't really "deal with" past sins because they already happened. The best you can do with sins is admit them, apologize for them and then deal with the underlying issues that caused you to commit the sins in the first place.

At this stage, I don't really get the point of or see the story in EJ and Sami walking through every single sin they committed against each other and apologizing for them. I mean, they could, but it would probably be the most boring episode ever. I'm much more interested in them dealing with the insecurities and issues in their dynamic that caused them to commit such horrible sins against each other in the first place.

ETA: @elci - Great post on the previous page. I don't always agree with you, but I love your arguments. I think you laid out the issue really well and I agree with you that there has to be some kind of breaking point eventually. EJ doesn't trust Sami's love enough to tell her the truth and Sami doesn't trust that EJ is capable of telling her the truth. They are obviously at an impasse and something has got to give. It makes sense to me that the breaches in trust so far haven't been great enough to create a real breaking point, but I would assume that's coming at some point in the coming months.
You may find it boring, but to me, since this is a soap opera, not a porn film, I want to see family scenes and emotional connections, I want to see people delve into real emotional topics and have them out. I want to know why people do things, and how they feel about what they've done.

Dialog, whether to themselves or someone else, is a huge part of soap operas, along with simple family scenes, and I don't find that boring at all.

If someone is to be redeemed, this show is on five days a week, they have the time. To completely skip over it because some in the audience might be bored because there's no screaming or fucking involved... Well then it just turns into a man being rewarded with orgasms for the continuing and recent sins he's committed without remorse, by the one he violated the most. That doesn't bore me, it disgusts me.
I feel like you're creating a straw man argument since I said nothing about wanting to see a bunch of screaming and fucking rather than dialogue. My point is that I think the dialogue Ejami was having today is about the issues that caused them to do many of the bad things to each other you mentioned (save for EJ's pre-2007 BSC days). Their issues are obviously all rooted around a lack of trust and insecurities that are tied into that lack of trust that causes them to act in ways that are destructive to themselves and each other. I see zero point and, indeed, I would find it boring if they re-visited and apologized for every single sin. Like I said, what's more interesting to me is finding the common insecurities and issues that caused them to begin their destructive cycle of behavior against each other. That's what I feel like they're starting to do and to me that's much more interesting than their sin list.
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I said nothing about wanting to see a bunch of screaming and fucking rather than dialogue


tomsawyer, when you say it like that, it makes me miss Sex and the City. :D
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Dec 11 2013, 06:22 PM
"Days" needs to start taking some RISKS with their couples.....specifically those who are popular with others (EJ).

GH is doing a great job with a legitimate Sabrina/Patrick/Robin. It's got a lot of buzz right now and has fans riveted. Abby/EJ/Sami has the same potential to be heartwrenching and angst-ridden.
IMO they are not. It does not have me riveted. Patrick looks silly and Robin is coming off pathetic while Sabrina is continually being propped :shrug:
That reminds me. I need to go over to a GH board to find out why Robin looked like the world's most exhausted gardener in those scenes. Chick was haggard.

I'll tune back in to GH just to see Thaao, just like I tuned in a for a few episodes to see Maura West. The show does nothing for me. To each their own.
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"Days" needs to start taking some RISKS with their couples.....specifically those who are popular with others (EJ).

GH is doing a great job with a legitimate Sabrina/Patrick/Robin. It's got a lot of buzz right now and has fans riveted. Abby/EJ/Sami has the same potential to be heartwrenching and angst-ridden.
IMO they are not. It does not have me riveted. Patrick looks silly and Robin is coming off pathetic while Sabrina is continually being propped :shrug:
Agreed. Days could benefit from doing some of the things GH does, but there's nothing to be learned from the Sabrina/Patrick/Robin "triangle." Although I guess it could be used as a step by step guide to running a story into the ground.
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I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I think the writers made up the "not trusting each other" and insecurity thing because they didn't want to deal with the real actual issues of why there is no trust. I didn't see insecurity around each other, I saw real enjoyment out of really hurting the other, not guilt or lashing out because of mistrust or insecurity, but ripping the soul out and loving it. They are whitewashing them. The not trusting each other was Lumi's problem that happened after betrayals and lies that ended their honest friendship, and they really worked through the whys, and hows and forgiveness, and I didn't find that boring at all. E;ami began as lies, and escalated from there to open destruction and sadism. That's why I say they're not dealing with the issues.

Listing the sins and apologizing would be boring. I don't think having an in depth discussion about such agonizing subject matter would be boring.
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Dec 11 2013, 02:30 PM
How about being a junkie, stealing from her place of employment, throwing herself at men for drugs, acting skanky around men, trying to entice a young boy, lying, faking , overdosing, not doing her job, blackmailing and just plain being a nasty little bitch to everyone. Why would anybody want to kiss her ass.
You just described Jennifer. :D
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I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I think the writers made up the "not trusting each other" and insecurity thing because they didn't want to deal with the real actual issues of why there is no trust. They are whitewashing them. The not trusting each other was Lumi's problem that happened after betrayals and lies that ended their honest friendship, and they really worked through the whys, and hows and forgiveness, and I didn't find that boring at all. E;ami began as lies, and escalated from there to open destruction and sadism. That's why I say they're not dealing with the issues.

Listing the sins and apologizing would be boring. I don't think having an in depth discussion about such agonizing subject matter would be boring.
Okay, I can understand why you don't believe that today's show was starting to get to their real issues. So if it's not a lack of trust and associated insecurities, what do you think are the underlying issues behind Ejami's destructive and sadistic behavior toward each other that they need to deal with?
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EJami were KILLING me today......and I loved it.

This internal angst between them makes sense. Their volatile history is coming to a head and watching them trying to navigate their way thru their insecurities and dysfunction is heartbreakingly beautiful.

Holding onto each other and exchanging "I miss you's"..........GAAAAAH! :'( This is the good sort of gut wrenching soapy angst that I fell in love with when watching Jack & Jen during their early years.

I get where both EJ and Sami are coming from. I could argue either point of view today.

Can Melissa Salmons just write an EJami spinoff series? Seriously.

JS and AS nailed it! Loved every angsty minute today.

I haven't even watched the rest of the show yet because I know I'm going to need to rewatch EJami scenes a few times before I will be able to focus on anything else happening.
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Since I'm not among their fans, I don't usually care enough to wade into EJami commentary. However, I did find the fight scenes today to be interesting. I like the way Tomsell is continuing to make waves in the umbrella story line of Kristen's drugging and rape of Eric. The post-reveal angst is evolving for a lot of major characters and starting to impact other story lines .

Today it brought EJami to a dramatic impasse. I liked the way Melissa Salmons had EJ run through pretty much his whole bag of tricks to dominate Sami: dazzle her with brilliance, baffle her with bullshit, shout her down with sarcasm, call her bluff by saying she should leave, and his usually most effective ploy, overcome her will through her lust. It was a nice touch to see that last one turned around on EJ. About time the sexual power dynamic for this dysfunctional duo is called out, IMO.

For me, the crux of the EJami story right now is their difficulty in forming a fully bonded family unit due to the baggage of their Brady-Dimera family history. EJ continues to support his sister, even though she committed a crime against Sami's innocent twin brother. Even given his diminished Dimera moral capacity, EJ was shown as viewing Kristen's actions toward a priest as despicable. He was also shown as somewhat resentful of Sami's admiration for her brother's goodness. Sami's unshakable belief in Eric's honesty seems to disturb EJ in some fundamental way. His continued, often snide, insistence that Kristen and Eric had consensual sex-- thus calling out Eric as a lying hypocrite -- is galling to Sami on a primal level.

EJ clings to his family roots instead of helping Sami undo part of the wrong done by Kristen to Eric. She knows in her heart that EJ knows more and lies to her. If he just would, EJ could provide details told him by Kristen to her, to the church, to the police that would clear Eric's reputation. But EJ won't reveal the wrong done by his family to right the wrong done to hers.

So what is the next fallout from today's episode? IDK for sure, but...desperate Eric has decided to go forward with additional medical tests that Daniel said could be very risky. Jason has said that Eric ends up in a hospital room. So I'm guessing there is a connection there...and Eric's life is put at risk from trying to uncover information that EJ could have provided by finding Dr. Chyka and revealing his actions. I'm more than ready for that phase of the story to commence.
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Dec 11 2013, 08:27 PM
EJami were KILLING me today......and I loved it.

This internal angst between them makes sense. Their volatile history is coming to a head and watching them trying to navigate their way thru their insecurities and dysfunction is heartbreakingly beautiful.

Holding onto each other and exchanging "I miss you's"..........GAAAAAH! :'( This is the good sort of gut wrenching soapy angst that I fell in love with when watching Jack & Jen during their early years.

I get where both EJ and Sami are coming from. I could argue either point of view today.

Can Melissa Salmons just write an EJami spinoff series? Seriously.

JS and AS nailed it! Loved every angsty minute today.

I haven't even watched the rest of the show yet because I know I'm going to need to rewatch EJami scenes a few times before I will be able to focus on anything else happening.
She seriously needs to write everything for them or at least all of their key moments.
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I too loved the EJami scenes today...Melissa Salmons' writing is so spot on and James & Ali really bring out the best in each other. Yes, Sami's scrunchy face made an appearance, but so did stubborn, take no prisoners, not gonna give an inch Sami. EJ let his anger get the best of him and did some major screaming, but in the end he he just wants Sami to trust him again and he's just so scared that she never will.

The vulnerability on James face when he ticked off all that he has done for her and when she hugged him said it all. EJ desperately wants to tell her everything but every time the truth comes out, Sami bails. And Ali with the initial stiffness of the hug, that turned into a real hug said that Sami also wants to mend the situation, but just can't bring herself to trust him.

I can't wait to see how they finally resolve this mess...hopefully it won't drag out too much longer.
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Today was great!

Ejami was hot fiyah! :rockon: So many emotions! Great job by JS/AS! :applause: I was cheering Sami on for most of the episode! Damn, she slapped him HARD! That's probably what JS referred to in MF's DOD interview. By the end of it, I was probably just as teary eyed as them, and pissed at EJ for not telling the truth. :facepalm:

Theresa is one COLD PIECE!!! OMG I LOVE HER!! Poor JJ, tho. :shame:

Jordan and her Olivia Pope- esque coat was gorgeous as always. I wasn't sure if Rafe was clueless or a jerk today. It's probably both. I wish Kate would cut her losses and let Rafe go. She's a flawfree woman in a fur coat. She can do better!

Sorry, Will. No one is thinking about you or your birthday.

If Tad knows what's good for him, he needs to stay away from Gabi. She's a walking disaster. :ermm:
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Dec 11 2013, 08:11 PM
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Dec 11 2013, 07:53 PM
I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I think the writers made up the "not trusting each other" and insecurity thing because they didn't want to deal with the real actual issues of why there is no trust. They are whitewashing them. The not trusting each other was Lumi's problem that happened after betrayals and lies that ended their honest friendship, and they really worked through the whys, and hows and forgiveness, and I didn't find that boring at all. E;ami began as lies, and escalated from there to open destruction and sadism. That's why I say they're not dealing with the issues.

Listing the sins and apologizing would be boring. I don't think having an in depth discussion about such agonizing subject matter would be boring.
Okay, I can understand why you don't believe that today's show was starting to get to their real issues. So if it's not a lack of trust and associated insecurities, what do you think are the underlying issues behind Ejami's destructive and sadistic behavior toward each other that they need to deal with?
For a start Sami could straight up ask him why he did some of those things, and not accept any dodging or bullshit answers. The majority of what Sami did was in direct retaliation for threats and attacks against herself and her family.

EJ threw it into Sami's face that she raped Austin when she was 16 and the Devil told her that it would make Austin love her. She was wrong for what she did those years ago, and right there was a point when she could have brought up Arnold, and demanded some real answers from him about why he broke the promise he made to God in exchange for Johnny's sight, and why he took such joy in her pain, and in scaring her daughter.

They were supposed to work through a truce together, for Johnny. At that point they were supposed to work on forgiving. Instead, EJ gave the go ahead for Allie, a complete innocent, to be kidnapped.
Edited by TreasureCove, Dec 11 2013, 09:55 PM.
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