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About.com interview with Kate Mansi
Topic Started: Jan 15 2014, 12:53 PM (22,562 Views)
somuchwhatever
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The slut shaming of Abigail is getting old. Seriously. She's not the engaged person here, and she's slept with exactly two men in her life.

There is nothing wrong, abnormal or shameful for a single woman in her 20s to enjoy or initiate sex with someone who has a choice in whether or not he wants to be there and keeps actively participating.

I get tired of the misogyny being thrown around when it comes to Abby. Please, stop it.
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somuchwhatever
Jan 20 2014, 12:20 AM
The slut shaming of Abigail is getting old. Seriously. She's not the engaged person here, and she's slept with exactly two men in her life.

There is nothing wrong, abnormal or shameful for a single woman in her 20s to enjoy or initiate sex with someone who has a choice in whether or not he wants to be there and keeps actively participating.

I get tired of the misogyny being thrown around when it comes to Abby. Please, stop it.
Meh. I'm not a fan of slut shaming any of the female characters, but the comments about Abby are pretty vanilla compared to things I've read about Sami and Nicole over the years. Every female character seems to get her turn on the DR whore train. I mean, I'm pretty sure Taylor had no other name than EasyLayTay on here.
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tomsawyer
Jan 20 2014, 12:24 AM
somuchwhatever
Jan 20 2014, 12:20 AM
The slut shaming of Abigail is getting old. Seriously. She's not the engaged person here, and she's slept with exactly two men in her life.

There is nothing wrong, abnormal or shameful for a single woman in her 20s to enjoy or initiate sex with someone who has a choice in whether or not he wants to be there and keeps actively participating.

I get tired of the misogyny being thrown around when it comes to Abby. Please, stop it.
Meh. I'm not a fan of slut shaming any of the female characters, but the comments about Abby are pretty vanilla compared to things I've read about Sami and Nicole over the years. Every female character seems to get her turn on the DR whore train. I mean, I'm pretty sure Taylor had no other name than EasyLayTay on here.
I missed Taylor discussion,it was prior to my arrival.When I began reading DR it was all about Slampig,Samwhore,and Sami's clowncar vagina.I knew I had found a home.:)
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spartan
Jan 19 2014, 07:19 PM
How is Abby "accepting of him even in his evilness?"

Abby has no idea the evil things EJ is doing right now, except the adultery. Abby hasn't accepted anything. Let EJ tell her all of his current nefarious schemes both personally and profesionally. Let him tell her every past nefarious deed. Then let's see Abby accept him. There is nothing on screen to indicate Abby is the one who is "accepting" EJ for who he is.

The only thing Abby is accepting of EJ right now is his dick.
Exactly. Abby had her granny panties in a twist over Chad's "lie" to Cameron. How can she be so accepting of all of EJ's misdeeds? EJ makes Chad look like a saint. Abby is in way over her head. She's not prepared to meet the real EJ - the selfish SOB.

As to the J&J similarities, I don't see it. Actually, I thought Chabby could have gone that way if CD stayed, but that was not to be, unfortunately.
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somuchwhatever
Jan 20 2014, 12:20 AM
The slut shaming of Abigail is getting old. Seriously.She's not the engaged person here, and she's slept with exactly two men in her life.

There is nothing wrong, abnormal or shameful for a single woman in her 20s to enjoy or initiate sex with someone who has a choice in whether or not he wants to be there and keeps actively participating.

I get tired of the misogyny being thrown around when it comes to Abby. Please, stop it.
She is not engaged, but she is willingly sleeping with someone who is. Both EJ AND Abby are responsible for their actions. EJ being engaged does not negate Abby's wrongdoing. I'm fine with Abby finding a single guy to date or sleep with ( hello T!!!), but imo, it is wrong to sleep with an engaged man. It doesn't make her a slut or a tramp, though. She is just in the wrong as much as EJ. I don't like slut shaming of the female characters either, for the record. :)
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Jan 19 2014, 08:28 AM
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Jan 18 2014, 12:28 PM
Re: the J&J and EJabby comparisons

I completetly disagree that ther is any comparison beyond the very surface of older "bad guy and younger girl." The entire essence of J&J was Jack's self-loathing. There was nearly a year of Jack finally accepting the responsibility for his actions, instead of blaming Steve and Kayla, and feeling remorse and self-hatred for it before things really started developing for he and Jennifer. She was a part of that early process, but it was really about him. Then, once that was developed, the love story really started.

There is nothing of that essence here. EJ hasn't accepted responsibility for his crimes, isn't feeling guilt or self-loathing about them, and certainly isn't remotely trying to make up for them (as Jack did by helping Steve and Kayla during the Marina storyline). And Abby isn't reluctantly seeing the "tiny little nugget" of good in EJ. She just wants to do him.

I really don't care about EJ and Abby, one way or another - except for the fact that it came out of nowhere and makes zero sense. But trying to shoehorn them into J&J or trying to make EJ and Jack similar characters is, IMO, ignoring and selling short the complexity of Jack and J&J's early history.
I guess we'll have to see if the show wants to redeem Ej or not. I don't think they do, but if the plan is to redeem him, then Abby falling for him could be the way to do it...and this is where I see some similarities in the story. As I've said before, the stories have similarities...(bad guy who does things just for the hell of it and hurts those he claims to love, vs Innocent rather virginal girl) The similarities at this point only like in the characters....that's it...they aren't the same and it's still too early in the Ejabby thing to tell if this is the avenue they use to redeem Ej or not. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Jack's period of self loathing begin when he started falling for Jennifer? Didn't it intensify when he realized he was in love with her and she was in love with him? and then Days truly hit it home and really drove the self loathing when he found out that Lawrence raped her? I think that people that are saying they see something similar to early J&J are saying it because they are seeing something with the characters and the potential of what it could be if the show decides to go there with these two in a more legit way down the road. Let's face it, we've seen Ej act and he could have easily picked up and left that cabin after Ejabby had sex the one time, but he didn't...he could have made her feel horrible and lousy but he didn't...he was rather uncharacteristically sweet with Abby which just makes me as a viewer wonder what the plan is. If it's to show EJ has a weakness for Abby then they've done it.....if it's to show that he's manipulating her in an attempt to help Sami then they completely failed. I'm just saying the show can use SOME of the similarities in the characters and create a story where EJ is seen in a different light to the audience through his behavior with Abby. Obviously these writers IMHO aren't capable of writing the type of redemptive storyline that they did for Jack but IMHO they can try and I wouldn't be too upset. I hated Jack with the fire of a thousands suns, pretty much the same way I hate Ej now....but I grew to love Jack and he's now one of my all time favorite characters....if it wasn't for the writing that would have never happened, hoping they can do the same with Ej here....that's all.
Actually, Jack's self-loathing started well before he realized he had feelings for Jennifer. It started in early 1989 when he was trying to make abbot steps towards his family, but kept getting rejected by Steve. Then Jack would get mad and backslide a bit. Anyway all of those steps occurred while Jennifer was still running around with Emilio. Jack took bigger steps in helping Steve and Kayla during the Marina storyline and Jen was supportive in that, but those steps were all about Jack making amends, not him trying to prove himself worthy of Jennifer.

Beyond that, I guess I'm not really debating about whether there COULD be similarities in the future if the show decides to write those similarities. Obviously, there could be. But I've seen several posts saying those similarities exist now and, IMO, they simply don't.
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BeeBee
Jan 20 2014, 12:32 AM
tomsawyer
Jan 20 2014, 12:24 AM
somuchwhatever
Jan 20 2014, 12:20 AM
The slut shaming of Abigail is getting old. Seriously. She's not the engaged person here, and she's slept with exactly two men in her life.

There is nothing wrong, abnormal or shameful for a single woman in her 20s to enjoy or initiate sex with someone who has a choice in whether or not he wants to be there and keeps actively participating.

I get tired of the misogyny being thrown around when it comes to Abby. Please, stop it.
Meh. I'm not a fan of slut shaming any of the female characters, but the comments about Abby are pretty vanilla compared to things I've read about Sami and Nicole over the years. Every female character seems to get her turn on the DR whore train. I mean, I'm pretty sure Taylor had no other name than EasyLayTay on here.
I missed Taylor discussion,it was prior to my arrival.When I began reading DR it was all about Slampig,Samwhore,and Sami's clowncar vagina.I knew I had found a home.:)
Thanks for the memories! :D
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peaches179
Jan 20 2014, 12:15 AM
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Jan 19 2014, 11:42 PM
spartan
Jan 19 2014, 07:19 PM
There is nothing on screen to indicate Abby is the one who is "accepting" EJ for who he is.

The only thing Abby is accepting of EJ right now is his dick.
Well, one has to start somewhere and thats as good a place as any.One thing at a time.:)

LOL!
LOL, indeed!! =) :D
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Deverauxfan
Jan 20 2014, 12:39 AM
spartan
Jan 19 2014, 07:19 PM
How is Abby "accepting of him even in his evilness?"

Abby has no idea the evil things EJ is doing right now, except the adultery. Abby hasn't accepted anything. Let EJ tell her all of his current nefarious schemes both personally and profesionally. Let him tell her every past nefarious deed. Then let's see Abby accept him. There is nothing on screen to indicate Abby is the one who is "accepting" EJ for who he is.

The only thing Abby is accepting of EJ right now is his dick.
Exactly. Abby had her granny panties in a twist over Chad's "lie" to Cameron. How can she be so accepting of all of EJ's misdeeds? EJ makes Chad look like a saint. Abby is in way over her head. She's not prepared to meet the real EJ - the selfish SOB.

As to the J&J similarities, I don't see it. Actually, I thought Chabby could have gone that way if CD stayed, but that was not to be, unfortunately.
You do not mind me asking but how Chad and Abby would have similar stuff to jack and Jennifer
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tomsawyer
Jan 20 2014, 12:24 AM
somuchwhatever
Jan 20 2014, 12:20 AM
The slut shaming of Abigail is getting old. Seriously. She's not the engaged person here, and she's slept with exactly two men in her life.

There is nothing wrong, abnormal or shameful for a single woman in her 20s to enjoy or initiate sex with someone who has a choice in whether or not he wants to be there and keeps actively participating.

I get tired of the misogyny being thrown around when it comes to Abby. Please, stop it.
Meh. I'm not a fan of slut shaming any of the female characters, but the comments about Abby are pretty vanilla compared to things I've read about Sami and Nicole over the years. Every female character seems to get her turn on the DR whore train. I mean, I'm pretty sure Taylor had no other name than EasyLayTay on here.
And it's tiring applied to them as well. I mean, there is a thesaurus online, after all.
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ladyofthelake
Jan 20 2014, 12:18 PM
tomsawyer
Jan 20 2014, 12:24 AM
somuchwhatever
Jan 20 2014, 12:20 AM
The slut shaming of Abigail is getting old. Seriously. She's not the engaged person here, and she's slept with exactly two men in her life.

There is nothing wrong, abnormal or shameful for a single woman in her 20s to enjoy or initiate sex with someone who has a choice in whether or not he wants to be there and keeps actively participating.

I get tired of the misogyny being thrown around when it comes to Abby. Please, stop it.
Meh. I'm not a fan of slut shaming any of the female characters, but the comments about Abby are pretty vanilla compared to things I've read about Sami and Nicole over the years. Every female character seems to get her turn on the DR whore train. I mean, I'm pretty sure Taylor had no other name than EasyLayTay on here.
And it's tiring applied to them as well. I mean, there is a thesaurus online, after all.
Right. Like I said I don't like the slutshaming of female characters which is why I don't do it. But namecalling of characters is allowed at DR and I knew that when I started posting here, so I'm not going to tell other posters to stop doing it.
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tomsawyer
Jan 20 2014, 12:24 PM
ladyofthelake
Jan 20 2014, 12:18 PM
tomsawyer
Jan 20 2014, 12:24 AM
somuchwhatever
Jan 20 2014, 12:20 AM
The slut shaming of Abigail is getting old. Seriously. She's not the engaged person here, and she's slept with exactly two men in her life.

There is nothing wrong, abnormal or shameful for a single woman in her 20s to enjoy or initiate sex with someone who has a choice in whether or not he wants to be there and keeps actively participating.

I get tired of the misogyny being thrown around when it comes to Abby. Please, stop it.
Meh. I'm not a fan of slut shaming any of the female characters, but the comments about Abby are pretty vanilla compared to things I've read about Sami and Nicole over the years. Every female character seems to get her turn on the DR whore train. I mean, I'm pretty sure Taylor had no other name than EasyLayTay on here.
And it's tiring applied to them as well. I mean, there is a thesaurus online, after all.
Right. Like I said I don't like the slutshaming of female characters which is why I don't do it. But namecalling of characters is allowed at DR and I knew that when I started posting here, so I'm not going to tell other posters to stop doing it.
True, but I can certainly express my distaste about it! LOL
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Jan 20 2014, 12:28 PM
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Jan 20 2014, 12:24 PM
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Jan 20 2014, 12:24 AM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepThere is nothing wrong, abnormal or shameful for a single woman in her 20s to enjoy or initiate sex with someone who has a choice in whether or not he wants to be there and keeps actively participating.
And it's tiring applied to them as well. I mean, there is a thesaurus online, after all.
Right. Like I said I don't like the slutshaming of female characters which is why I don't do it. But namecalling of characters is allowed at DR and I knew that when I started posting here, so I'm not going to tell other posters to stop doing it.
True, but I can certainly express my distaste about it! LOL
Absolutely!
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tomsawyer
Jan 20 2014, 12:24 AM
somuchwhatever
Jan 20 2014, 12:20 AM
The slut shaming of Abigail is getting old. Seriously. She's not the engaged person here, and she's slept with exactly two men in her life.

There is nothing wrong, abnormal or shameful for a single woman in her 20s to enjoy or initiate sex with someone who has a choice in whether or not he wants to be there and keeps actively participating.

I get tired of the misogyny being thrown around when it comes to Abby. Please, stop it.
Meh. I'm not a fan of slut shaming any of the female characters, but the comments about Abby are pretty vanilla compared to things I've read about Sami and Nicole over the years. Every female character seems to get her turn on the DR whore train. I mean, I'm pretty sure Taylor had no other name than EasyLayTay on here.
Sami never got off the whore train....deservedly so!
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Jan 19 2014, 11:24 PM
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Jan 19 2014, 10:56 AM

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He wanted the photographer to get a good shot! lol!
LOL,... you!

Well,.. you might be right. If it is EJ it wouldn't be something completely unheard of of him. Maybe thats why he set up the fire and tea and everything. LOL

I don't know,.. whoever is the photographer followed her from town so... I just imaged that it was Nick or even Ann. But yeah.. the writers was cleaver here. They got people arguing of who that person could be. =)
Well,I posted in the Friday thread, I think Stefano heard EJ and Abby talking before Sami arrived and had Ricardo follow Abby.I think Riecardo took the pictures Friday.
Ricardo wore gloves in all his scenes.Stefano knows you can never have too much blackmail material and the more people you can blackmail with the same information,the better.With those pictures he can blackmail EJ,Abby,and most of the Hortons.
I don't know how Stefano could blackmail Abby and the Hortons with this information. Yeah, it might be embarrassing to her but she didn't commit a crime and is not in a relationship herself. :shrug:
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Jan 20 2014, 12:24 PM
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Jan 20 2014, 12:18 PM
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Jan 20 2014, 12:24 AM
somuchwhatever
Jan 20 2014, 12:20 AM
The slut shaming of Abigail is getting old. Seriously. She's not the engaged person here, and she's slept with exactly two men in her life.

There is nothing wrong, abnormal or shameful for a single woman in her 20s to enjoy or initiate sex with someone who has a choice in whether or not he wants to be there and keeps actively participating.

I get tired of the misogyny being thrown around when it comes to Abby. Please, stop it.
Meh. I'm not a fan of slut shaming any of the female characters, but the comments about Abby are pretty vanilla compared to things I've read about Sami and Nicole over the years. Every female character seems to get her turn on the DR whore train. I mean, I'm pretty sure Taylor had no other name than EasyLayTay on here.
And it's tiring applied to them as well. I mean, there is a thesaurus online, after all.
Right. Like I said I don't like the slutshaming of female characters which is why I don't do it. But namecalling of characters is allowed at DR and I knew that when I started posting here, so I'm not going to tell other posters to stop doing it.
EasyLayTay. :wub2:

The good ole days.

Damn DR was fun back then.
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LOL,... you!

Well,.. you might be right. If it is EJ it wouldn't be something completely unheard of of him. Maybe thats why he set up the fire and tea and everything. LOL

I don't know,.. whoever is the photographer followed her from town so... I just imaged that it was Nick or even Ann. But yeah.. the writers was cleaver here. They got people arguing of who that person could be. =)
Well,I posted in the Friday thread, I think Stefano heard EJ and Abby talking before Sami arrived and had Ricardo follow Abby.I think Riecardo took the pictures Friday.
Ricardo wore gloves in all his scenes.Stefano knows you can never have too much blackmail material and the more people you can blackmail with the same information,the better.With those pictures he can blackmail EJ,Abby,and most of the Hortons.
I don't know how Stefano could blackmail Abby and the Hortons with this information. Yeah, it might be embarrassing to her but she didn't commit a crime and is not in a relationship herself. :shrug:
Exactly. The pictures are only useful against EJ and, to much less of degree, Abby. And while I'm sure Abby doesn't want the fling to come out and to have Sami on her ass, it's not like she really has much to lose. EJ is obviously the one that's going to be blackmailed with them because he's the one that will lose his fiancée when the truth comes out.
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I still don't get why the photographer was following Abby though. If the target was EJ, how would the person know she would hook up with him? I guess someone could have spotted EJ and Abby arriving back from Smith Island before and put 2 and 2 together, (Nick probably) but it's annoying when all the brilliant deductions are done offscreen.
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Jan 20 2014, 02:56 PM
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Jan 20 2014, 02:52 PM
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Jan 19 2014, 11:24 PM
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Jan 19 2014, 01:08 PM

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Well,I posted in the Friday thread, I think Stefano heard EJ and Abby talking before Sami arrived and had Ricardo follow Abby.I think Riecardo took the pictures Friday.
Ricardo wore gloves in all his scenes.Stefano knows you can never have too much blackmail material and the more people you can blackmail with the same information,the better.With those pictures he can blackmail EJ,Abby,and most of the Hortons.
I don't know how Stefano could blackmail Abby and the Hortons with this information. Yeah, it might be embarrassing to her but she didn't commit a crime and is not in a relationship herself. :shrug:
Exactly. The pictures are only useful against EJ and, to much less of degree, Abby. And while I'm sure Abby doesn't want the fling to come out and to have Sami on her ass, it's not like she really has much to lose. EJ is obviously the one that's going to be blackmailed with them because he's the one that will lose his fiancée when the truth comes out.
It's really tough! I noticed EJ turned again towards the window but it could be nothing. I'm starting to like the Stefano theory or even Kate hiring someone. She was suspicious of how EJ handled it with Abby. She could have hired someone to keep tabs on Abby for her. I can't wait to see who it is. Wonder if we will see him/her again...
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Jan 20 2014, 03:03 PM
I still don't get why the photographer was following Abby though. If the target was EJ, how would the person know she would hook up with him? I guess someone could have spotted EJ and Abby arriving back from Smith Island before and put 2 and 2 together, (Nick probably) but it's annoying when all the brilliant deductions are done offscreen.
And that person happens to have a camera with them and is not just taking pictures with a cell phone.
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