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Jan 26 2014, 07:51 PM
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Everyone in the room, including the priest, knew about Will and Sonny, on other hand no one knew about Abby... Everyone commented how glad they were to have such a nice role model for Ari's godmother.... It was not disclosed she's sleeping with the baby's grandmother's fiance. They might not have chosen her if they knew. I feel some may not approve. This really is not about anyone but Abby, she took the vow.
What vow?
A promise I am asking what vow/promise Abby made/took that she has broken.
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Jan 26 2014, 07:54 PM
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I still think that Will and Gabi had the right to know, before the christening, that the baby's potential godmother is sleeping with the baby's grandmothers fiance. They may or may not have been OK with that...
If they decided on someone else...they would not have had to look too far to find a replacement who isn't fucking EJ. Perhaps Abby would not have accepted their offer if she knew that as far as they knew Gabi,Sami,and Kate killed Nick and Will was helping them conceal this.So if everyone put their cards on the table,I agree Abby would not likely have been little Ari's godmother.Gabi could also have told Abby about her role in the kidnapping and explosion in the interest of full disclosure.
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Jan 26 2014, 08:06 PM
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What vow?
A promise
I am asking what vow/promise Abby made/took that she has broken. Circular debate....let's just agree to disagree.. :cheers:
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Jan 26 2014, 08:24 PM
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Can a nun be a God Parent? Because that would have been their only other choice in Salem. When my children were christened (many moons ago), I did not know who or what their God parents were doing in bed. I chose them because I loved them and I knew they would look out for my children.
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Jan 26 2014, 08:30 PM
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What vow?
A promise
It's my understanding some Catholics take the godparent role pretty seriously. I used to think it was just so that the child would have someone lined up to take care of them should the parents die but from what I've been told it goes a lot deeper. The GP is promising to take care of the child's soul/spirituality. (I don't know jack about Catholicism, btw.) Which would all be fine except that the Catholic Church views homosexuality as a sin, just as bad or so worse than adultery or fornication between unmarried people (since EJ and Sami aren't married yet). So, in the eyes of the Church, Sonny is just as unfit as Abby. And, under your reasoning that the GP is vowing to care for the child's soul, can no more take that vow than Abby.
And,for the record, I wholeheartedly disagree with the Church's stand at that issue, but I don't see how somebody can say Abby is unfit to care for Ari's soul (under Curch doctrine) but Sonny is.
Mostly, I really don't care how Will feels about Abby. But painting Abby as somehow more immoral than anyone else in town is kind of laughable to me.
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Jan 26 2014, 08:32 PM
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Can a nun be a God Parent? Because that would have been their only other choice in Salem. When my children were christened (many moons ago), I did not know who or what their God parents were doing in bed. I chose them because I loved them and I knew they would look out for my children. How keen would you have been if your godmother was sleeping with you're mother's fiance....would this change how you felt about your choice?
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Jan 26 2014, 08:35 PM
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I still think that Will and Gabi had the right to know, before the christening, that the baby's potential godmother is sleeping with the baby's grandmothers fiance. They may or may not have been OK with that...
If they decided on someone else...they would not have had to look too far to find a replacement who isn't fucking EJ.
Perhaps Abby would not have accepted their offer if she knew that as far as they knew Gabi,Sami,and Kate killed Nick and Will was helping them conceal this.So if everyone put their cards on the table,I agree Abby would not likely have been little Ari's godmother.Gabi could also have told Abby about her role in the kidnapping and explosion in the interest of full disclosure. SO. MUCH. THIS.
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Jan 26 2014, 08:43 PM
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A promise
It's my understanding some Catholics take the godparent role pretty seriously. I used to think it was just so that the child would have someone lined up to take care of them should the parents die but from what I've been told it goes a lot deeper. The GP is promising to take care of the child's soul/spirituality. (I don't know jack about Catholicism, btw.)
Which would all be fine except that the Catholic Church views homosexuality as a sin, just as bad or so worse than adultery or fornication between unmarried people (since EJ and Sami aren't married yet). So, in the eyes of the Church, Sonny is just as unfit as Abby. And, under your reasoning that the GP is vowing to care for the child's soul, can no more take that vow than Abby. And,for the record, I wholeheartedly disagree with the Church's stand at that issue, but I don't see how somebody can say Abby is unfit to care for Ari's soul (under Curch doctrine) but Sonny is. Mostly, I really don't care how Will feels about Gabi. But painting Abby as somehow more immoral than anyone else in town is kind of laughable to me.
What is laughable to me is Abby's hypocrisy standing there taking all the praise of a good role model. Even thanked by the women whose granddaughter was being christened.
If Abby's so proud of herself, why not own it and not hide her affections for EJ. See she can't do that, it will damage her reputation.
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Jan 26 2014, 08:47 PM
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- Jan 26 2014, 08:32 PM
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Can a nun be a God Parent? Because that would have been their only other choice in Salem. When my children were christened (many moons ago), I did not know who or what their God parents were doing in bed. I chose them because I loved them and I knew they would look out for my children.
How keen would you have been if your godmother was sleeping with you're mother's fiance....would this change how you felt about your choice? Abby is not sleeping with Gabi's fiance.
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Jan 26 2014, 08:51 PM
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Can a nun be a God Parent? Because that would have been their only other choice in Salem. When my children were christened (many moons ago), I did not know who or what their God parents were doing in bed. I chose them because I loved them and I knew they would look out for my children.
How keen would you have been if your babys godmother was sleeping with you're mother's fiance....would this change how you felt about your choice?
Abby is not sleeping with Gabi's fiance. She is sleeping with wills mother fiance
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Jan 26 2014, 08:53 PM
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Sorry disagree, a godmother should be chosen as a person with good moral character and good role model for Christian upbringing......Abby is sleeping with the fiance of the baby's grandmother ......this would be not approved by the church. Will,if he had his mom's back, would not be happy. Honestly, Abby is responsible for her own vajay
Good moral character in Salem? Besides Father Matt and Father Eric? :blulaugh: Sorry. A female with good moral character: Hope Brady. (yes, even with the ONS with Patrick because she thought Bo had slept with Billie & told her in an email that he wanted a divorce.)
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Jan 26 2014, 08:53 PM
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Y'all are so cute trying to predict Will's response to the Ejabby affair based on what would be the logical reaction for his character to have. You know TomSell is going to have him react in whatever way is necessary to drive their next plot point. I like TomSell's writing because it's entertaining, but it's definitely about plots, not characters.
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Jan 26 2014, 08:53 PM
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It's my understanding some Catholics take the godparent role pretty seriously. I used to think it was just so that the child would have someone lined up to take care of them should the parents die but from what I've been told it goes a lot deeper. The GP is promising to take care of the child's soul/spirituality. (I don't know jack about Catholicism, btw.)
Which would all be fine except that the Catholic Church views homosexuality as a sin, just as bad or so worse than adultery or fornication between unmarried people (since EJ and Sami aren't married yet). So, in the eyes of the Church, Sonny is just as unfit as Abby. And, under your reasoning that the GP is vowing to care for the child's soul, can no more take that vow than Abby. And,for the record, I wholeheartedly disagree with the Church's stand at that issue, but I don't see how somebody can say Abby is unfit to care for Ari's soul (under Curch doctrine) but Sonny is. Mostly, I really don't care how Will feels about Gabi. But painting Abby as somehow more immoral than anyone else in town is kind of laughable to me.
What is laughable to me is Abby's hypocrisy standing there taking all the praise of a good role model. Even thanked by the women whose granddaughter was being christened. If Abby's so proud of herself, why not own it and not hide her affections for EJ. See she can't do that, it will damage her reputation. Who said Abby was proud of herself? Or should be?
I may fail to see how her WTFery with EJ renders her unfit to be a godparent (in the abstract), but I've never said she should be proud of it. Frankly, I think she's insane, but no more so than the rest of that family.
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Jan 26 2014, 08:56 PM
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A promise
It's my understanding some Catholics take the godparent role pretty seriously. I used to think it was just so that the child would have someone lined up to take care of them should the parents die but from what I've been told it goes a lot deeper. The GP is promising to take care of the child's soul/spirituality. (I don't know jack about Catholicism, btw.)
Which would all be fine except that the Catholic Church views homosexuality as a sin, just as bad or so worse than adultery or fornication between unmarried people (since EJ and Sami aren't married yet). So, in the eyes of the Church, Sonny is just as unfit as Abby. And, under your reasoning that the GP is vowing to care for the child's soul, can no more take that vow than Abby. And,for the record, I wholeheartedly disagree with the Church's stand at that issue, but I don't see how somebody can say Abby is unfit to care for Ari's soul (under Curch doctrine) but Sonny is. Mostly, I really don't care how Will feels about Abby. But painting Abby as somehow more immoral than anyone else in town is kind of laughable to me. My post was in reference to what vow/promise was being made.
FWIW I never said that Abby could not take that vow, that's a decision Will would have to make. I don't really care what position the church takes on who is suitable for GPing but the ball is in Will's court, not the Church's. I was never painting Abby to be more immoral than anyone else. Will might not care that Abby slept w/ EJ but he if he did he would have every right to because other people's immorality is irrelevant, they are not who he chose as GP.
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Jan 26 2014, 08:56 PM
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It's my understanding some Catholics take the godparent role pretty seriously. I used to think it was just so that the child would have someone lined up to take care of them should the parents die but from what I've been told it goes a lot deeper. The GP is promising to take care of the child's soul/spirituality. (I don't know jack about Catholicism, btw.)
Which would all be fine except that the Catholic Church views homosexuality as a sin, just as bad or so worse than adultery or fornication between unmarried people (since EJ and Sami aren't married yet). So, in the eyes of the Church, Sonny is just as unfit as Abby. And, under your reasoning that the GP is vowing to care for the child's soul, can no more take that vow than Abby. And,for the record, I wholeheartedly disagree with the Church's stand at that issue, but I don't see how somebody can say Abby is unfit to care for Ari's soul (under Curch doctrine) but Sonny is. Mostly, I really don't care how Will feels about Gabi. But painting Abby as somehow more immoral than anyone else in town is kind of laughable to me.
What is laughable to me is Abby's hypocrisy standing there taking all the praise of a good role model. Even thanked by the women whose granddaughter was being christened. If Abby's so proud of herself, why not own it and not hide her affections for EJ. See she can't do that, it will damage her reputation. Part of the reason I like Abby/EJ is that Abby is not proud of herself.When she went to see EJ at the mansion,she talked about how she had been preaching to JJ about being a better person but look at what she was doing.EJ told her to stop being so hard on herself.She said something similar at the cabin and again EJ told her she was not a bad person,she was just infatuated.Abby agreed that she should not call him anymore and said she would take the ferry when he offered to give her a ride in the boat.Abby is the one who halted the kissing and thigh rubbing at the cabin not EJ.She is always talking about how badly she is behaving and it is EJ who tells her she is a good person and not to be so hard on herself.It was Abby who walked away and went to Hope ,when EJ engaged in seductive behavior in the church.It actually bothers Abby that she wants EJ so badly she allowed that desire to cloud her judgment and caused her to deviate from her principles.
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I just really hope that Will & Sonny have an entertaining reaction. I can't see either of them getting too judgmental, but I do see Will being both hurt on behalf of his mother, frustrated and angry at EJ and worried for Abigail. Sonny will be more worried than anything else.
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Jan 26 2014, 08:59 PM
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Can a nun be a God Parent? Because that would have been their only other choice in Salem. When my children were christened (many moons ago), I did not know who or what their God parents were doing in bed. I chose them because I loved them and I knew they would look out for my children.
How keen would you have been if your babys godmother was sleeping with you're mother's fiance....would this change how you felt about your choice?
Abby is not sleeping with Gabi's fiance.
She is sleeping with wills mother fiance Sorry,misunderstood your post.For some reason I cannot explain why I thought you were directing the question to waterlily since that post referenced a personal experience.
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- Jan 26 2014, 08:53 PM
Y'all are so cute trying to predict Will's response to the Ejabby affair based on what would be the logical reaction for his character to have. You know TomSell is going to have him react in whatever way is necessary to drive their next plot point. I like TomSell's writing because it's entertaining, but it's definitely about plots, not characters. LOL
Honestly, I don't see Will caring that his mom was hurt or betrayed. The only thing I can picture him making an issue of is the sanctity of marriage thing but even then it's very unlikely. The most I see WilSon doing is gasping and that's it.
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Y'all are so cute trying to predict Will's response to the Ejabby affair based on what would be the logical reaction for his character to have. You know TomSell is going to have him react in whatever way is necessary to drive their next plot point. I like TomSell's writing because it's entertaining, but it's definitely about plots, not characters. With how many times during the event that Abby being a wonderful role model was mentioned....I predict this will be a plot point. At least the audience got a clear message that they all feel she is a wonderful role model as Ari's godmother.
The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
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- Jan 26 2014, 08:57 PM
I just really hope that Will & Sonny have an entertaining reaction. I can't see either of them getting too judgmental, but I do see Will being both hurt on behalf of his mother, frustrated and angry at EJ and worried for Abigail. Sonny will be more worried than anything else. Yeppers! This is all I care about too.
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