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Katrosina
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Feb 3 2014, 08:47 PM
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It's been a crazy few days, spent the afternoon at the DMV. (fun stuff)
Nick keeps stealing the show. Cannot wait to see where this storyline goes. And loved the fact that EJ overheard Abigail talking to Adrienne about him. She refuses to see only the bad side of him. I think that is why he can't stay away from her. JMO
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Feb 3 2014, 08:51 PM
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If Sami can marry EJ after all EJ,Stefano,and Kristin have done to her and her immediate family including their children ,Abby has no reason to be ashamed because of what EJ did to Steve and Stefano.
Just because it's stupid in relation to Sami doesn't make it any less stupid in relation to Abby too. The Abby thing was particularly annoying today because she was acting high and mighty to Adrienne about EJ when Adrienne has tons of valid reasons to hate EJ. I was soooooo wanting Adrienne to go off on her. I swear Kayla is about the only person in Salem that reacts appropriately about him.
All roads always lead to Sami and her stupid decisions. Apparently, every character is justified in the way they react to a particular situation because of Sami or Will. Anyway, Adrianne hates EJ and reacts strongly to him, so, it would make sense if she tells us why she dislikes him so much, specially when her niece is being an ass to her. I am missing something.I have not seen Adrienne do/say anything recently demonstrating actual hatred or strong reaction to him.I only saw mild general objections to Justin working with EJ not impassioned conversation begging,pleading,or arguing with his decision to go into business with someone who has kidnapped Stephanie and/or brainwashed Steve.I have watched almost every show since 2009 and I think I would have remembered if she raised any strong objections to associating with EJ. I don't see asking your aunt to come to you if she is concerned about your behavior instead of going to your mother as if you are a teenager as acting like an ass.
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Feb 3 2014, 08:57 PM
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Just because it's stupid in relation to Sami doesn't make it any less stupid in relation to Abby too. The Abby thing was particularly annoying today because she was acting high and mighty to Adrienne about EJ when Adrienne has tons of valid reasons to hate EJ. I was soooooo wanting Adrienne to go off on her. I swear Kayla is about the only person in Salem that reacts appropriately about him.
All roads always lead to Sami and her stupid decisions. Apparently, every character is justified in the way they react to a particular situation because of Sami or Will. Anyway, Adrianne hates EJ and reacts strongly to him, so, it would make sense if she tells us why she dislikes him so much, specially when her niece is being an ass to her.
I am missing something.I have not seen Adrienne do/say anything recently demonstrating actual hatred or strong reaction to him.I only saw mild general objections to Justin working with EJ not impassioned conversation begging,pleading,or arguing with his decision to go into business with someone who has kidnapped Stephanie and/or brainwashed Steve.I have watched almost every show since 2009 and I think I would have remembered if she raised any strong objections to associating with EJ. I don't see asking your aunt to come to you if she is concerned about your behavior instead of going to your mother as if you are a teenager as acting like an ass. She showed some pretty strong reactions to him after his stupid empty threat to her last summer.
But even if she didn't, bad writing, lack of character motivation, and inconsistency last summer doesn't excuse bad writing, lack of character motivation, and inconsistency now.
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Feb 3 2014, 09:05 PM
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- elci525
- Feb 3 2014, 06:50 PM
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I have to say I am not big fan of that white thingy she is wearing. Its looks weird...?
Yeah it totally does. I love her dress though - she's giving some cleavage for EJ's benefit (perhaps a subconscious factor informing her outfit choice that morning) and the skirt is cute. I like the white sweater Abby is wearing.Lately she has been wearing a lot of clothes that give her an ethereal but sexy appearance like the long sleeve white sweater thing that was short in the front and slighly longer in the back,the chiffon looking green top with the leather skirt having the thigh high slit,and today long sleeve long on the side sweater thing with the low cut sleeveless black dress underneathning.I think it is going to be her signature look.I like it.
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Feb 3 2014, 09:08 PM
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Nick stole the show today! I knew he was playing all of them and today proved that without a doubt. But EJ is smart enough to realize it. I still get the feeling in the end Gabi will see her death thanks to Nick. I also don't see how Nick sticks around past this last arc, which is too bad because Blake fricken rocks as an actor!
I now agree with what Lysie was saying in another thread. After watching today, both Will and Sonny only exist to support other characters. I know they will be getting married but I don't see that as a true story. I think it sucks Days can't find a way to write them with their own story. Adrienne interacts more with Abby ad JJ more than Sonny. Just sad and pathetic writing. I do think though, today is signaling that maybe Adrienne tells Sonny that she saw Abby with EJ and Sonny puts together and two together..maybe even him and Will figure it out together. If not, I think Sonny will be keeping another secret from Will.
Maybe it's just me but I'm so over the JJ/Theresa story. I just have no interest in it anymore. It's boring and redundant. I'd rather just see Theresa stay in Brady's orbit Today I at least sense some kind of possible chemistry between them. Still think Days missed out. Theresa and Nick would have made a good couple. That is before they turned Nick way too psycho.
Magie and Julie just need to STFU. They are so concerned about Nick who is a homophobe, psycho and attempted rapest, yet they could care a less about what he did to Will, Sonny and Gabby (and I don't even like Gabby that much)..
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Feb 3 2014, 09:09 PM
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- ladyofthelake
- Feb 3 2014, 08:28 PM
Very excited for this Nick stuff. I personally think Blake Berris is awesome. One time I'm rooting for the bad guy! how do i "like" the blurb under your avi? ;)
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Feb 3 2014, 09:15 PM
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- Amanda_gayle
- Feb 3 2014, 08:12 PM
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- Feb 3 2014, 06:54 PM
Well I'm just speaking for myself. As I said in another post, I have watched on and off since I was 14 and I'm 38 now. With that said,
I missed a lot of the torment they (ejami) did to each other. I have only read it. Some people watched every bit if it, and you may feel strongly because you watched it as it happened.
I don't hate Abby, I've only known her as j&j's baby daughter. (I remember preggo jenn). So I see her going against what I believe she is.
As far as Sami, I remember her as a bad girl, just as I remember EJ as son if Satan Stefano. To me Lucas is too good for Sami, and Rafe as well.
So I guess my point is that i don't push aside the past, I am just basing my feelings on what I remember the characters to be. Maybe my opinion would be completely different if I saw it first hand. I could be wrong, but based on the people I have spoken with, it seems like a similar theme. It just depends in when you started watching.
I just don't get how people get so angry and nasty at each other (especially tweeters) over their difference of opinion. It's just a tv show. I swear some people believe it's real. but I LOVE reading and discussing it in this forum! So much fun!!! Thanks DR!!
Aha! So it wasn't just the merlot.Happy you are sticking around and having fun discussing the show.I'm with you.I am not going to verbally abuse real people because of their opinions of fictional characters.
Oh you remember the merlot! :drunk: When someone basically says either there is either intelligent conversation taking place or I am drunk,you don't forget it in a hurry.:)
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Feb 3 2014, 09:18 PM
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Just because it's stupid in relation to Sami doesn't make it any less stupid in relation to Abby too. The Abby thing was particularly annoying today because she was acting high and mighty to Adrienne about EJ when Adrienne has tons of valid reasons to hate EJ. I was soooooo wanting Adrienne to go off on her. I swear Kayla is about the only person in Salem that reacts appropriately about him.
All roads always lead to Sami and her stupid decisions. Apparently, every character is justified in the way they react to a particular situation because of Sami or Will. Anyway, Adrianne hates EJ and reacts strongly to him, so, it would make sense if she tells us why she dislikes him so much, specially when her niece is being an ass to her.
I am missing something.I have not seen Adrienne do/say anything recently demonstrating actual hatred or strong reaction to him.I only saw mild general objections to Justin working with EJ not impassioned conversation begging,pleading,or arguing with his decision to go into business with someone who has kidnapped Stephanie and/or brainwashed Steve.I have watched almost every show since 2009 and I think I would have remembered if she raised any strong objections to associating with EJ. I don't see asking your aunt to come to you if she is concerned about your behavior instead of going to your mother as if you are a teenager as acting like an ass. Because it wasn't telling Adrienne not to go to her mother that made her an ass. If it had been limited to THAT issue, then it would be a different story. It was acting as if Adrienne had no reason to dislike EJ and basically saying Adrienne had no basis to judge him or her friendship with him. That made Abby an ass because Adrienne has many, many, many reasons to dislike EJ and has a factual basis (based on things that happened onscreen) to judge him left and right. Abby's dismissal of that makes her a big ol' ass.
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Feb 3 2014, 09:22 PM
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All roads always lead to Sami and her stupid decisions. Apparently, every character is justified in the way they react to a particular situation because of Sami or Will. Anyway, Adrianne hates EJ and reacts strongly to him, so, it would make sense if she tells us why she dislikes him so much, specially when her niece is being an ass to her.
I am missing something.I have not seen Adrienne do/say anything recently demonstrating actual hatred or strong reaction to him.I only saw mild general objections to Justin working with EJ not impassioned conversation begging,pleading,or arguing with his decision to go into business with someone who has kidnapped Stephanie and/or brainwashed Steve.I have watched almost every show since 2009 and I think I would have remembered if she raised any strong objections to associating with EJ. I don't see asking your aunt to come to you if she is concerned about your behavior instead of going to your mother as if you are a teenager as acting like an ass.
She showed some pretty strong reactions to him after his stupid empty threat to her last summer. But even if she didn't, bad writing, lack of character motivation, and inconsistency last summer doesn't excuse bad writing, lack of character motivation, and inconsistency now. If I remember correctly, her feelings were so strong that she was willing to risk the desolation of her marriage over it. She didn't want Justin working with EJ and she was angry about it. She even asked him at one point why isn't he bothered by the fact that his son is "practically part of the Dimera family." Adrianne's feelings were not ambiguous but they were lacking background or motivation. If only the writers weren't bent on whitewashing EJ's sordid history, it would have been a great drama.
I don't understand why is EJ a sacred cow. The writers were not troubled by dredging up Jack's violent history, so, why not EJ's. It might actually make the Ejabby s/l more interesting. Abby could be struggling to reconcile the man she's beginning to care about to the man who caused her family so much pain.
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Feb 3 2014, 09:26 PM
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- Feb 3 2014, 07:21 PM
You know, I may be fanwanking but I really do love the choice that EJ got into Abigail's good graces pre-affair by praising Jack. Jack is a good role model for EJ, as he spent years being a total villain who was the town pariah to gradually becoming an upstanding citizen and atoning for his crimes. Yes, I know you can't compare the writing for EJ and Jack, but still, I like the idea that EJ would see something appealing in Jack's story.
And I like the fact that the loss of Abigail's father is finally being written as affecting her in a deep and psychological way. She was drawn to a sophisticated, well-educated guy with a very troubled past who praised her dead father who was a sophisticated, well-educated guy with a very troubled past. I can even fanwank that her obnoxious Daniel propping was some sort of psych 101 denial of loss, loss that has been uncorked now that she's with EJ.
So, when Aunt Adrienne questioned why she might be hanging out with EJ, sure it's about defending her lover in a visceral way but I hope it's also about finally being grateful that someone acknowledged to her that Jack was a special man - one who cannot immediately be replaced. Perhaps she should be thinking of EJ's past, but she wasn't. Didn't Chad also play the Jack card? What did that get him.
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Feb 3 2014, 09:30 PM
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All roads always lead to Sami and her stupid decisions. Apparently, every character is justified in the way they react to a particular situation because of Sami or Will. Anyway, Adrianne hates EJ and reacts strongly to him, so, it would make sense if she tells us why she dislikes him so much, specially when her niece is being an ass to her.
I am missing something.I have not seen Adrienne do/say anything recently demonstrating actual hatred or strong reaction to him.I only saw mild general objections to Justin working with EJ not impassioned conversation begging,pleading,or arguing with his decision to go into business with someone who has kidnapped Stephanie and/or brainwashed Steve.I have watched almost every show since 2009 and I think I would have remembered if she raised any strong objections to associating with EJ. I don't see asking your aunt to come to you if she is concerned about your behavior instead of going to your mother as if you are a teenager as acting like an ass.
She showed some pretty strong reactions to him after his stupid empty threat to her last summer. But even if she didn't, bad writing, lack of character motivation, and inconsistency last summer doesn't excuse bad writing, lack of character motivation, and inconsistency now. I saw fear when he made the statement not hatred and even then I did not see any questioning of Justin's continued involvement.I am not saying she should not hate EJ or have strong adverse feeling toward him,I was just responding to the portion of the post stating she hates him and reacts strongly and stating that the writing for her (good,bad,indifferent)did not show hatred or strong negative feeling only fear in that particular instance when he threatened her nothing related to Steve or Stephanie. I am just saying the writing and scenes did not show her feeling as cited in the post.I don't have high standards,I just roll with how the character is currently being written despite their history showing they should feel a different way about another character.Like Chloe/Nicole and Kristin/Jennifer being best friends.
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Feb 3 2014, 09:34 PM
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- Feb 3 2014, 09:22 PM
I don't understand why is EJ a sacred cow. The writers were not troubled by dredging up Jack's violent history, so, why not EJ's. It might actually make the Ejabby s/l more interesting. Abby could be struggling to reconcile the man she's beginning to care about to the man who caused her family so much pain. I've been asking this question about EJ since 2006.
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Feb 3 2014, 09:37 PM
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I want more Justin and Adrienne and the writers need to stop making Adrienne everyone's punching bag. I really miss Justin and Sonny's father/son relationship, and Adrienne and Sonny's relationship, before she became a Will hater.
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Feb 3 2014, 09:40 PM
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- Feb 3 2014, 09:08 PM
Nick stole the show today! I knew he was playing all of them and today proved that without a doubt. But EJ is smart enough to realize it. I still get the feeling in the end Gabi will see her death thanks to Nick. I also don't see how Nick sticks around past this last arc, which is too bad because Blake fricken rocks as an actor!
I now agree with what Lysie was saying in another thread. After watching today, both Will and Sonny only exist to support other characters. I know they will be getting married but I don't see that as a true story. I think it sucks Days can't find a way to write them with their own story. Adrienne interacts more with Abby ad JJ more than Sonny. Just sad and pathetic writing. I do think though, today is signaling that maybe Adrienne tells Sonny that she saw Abby with EJ and Sonny puts together and two together..maybe even him and Will figure it out together. If not, I think Sonny will be keeping another secret from Will.
Maybe it's just me but I'm so over the JJ/Theresa story. I just have no interest in it anymore. It's boring and redundant. I'd rather just see Theresa stay in Brady's orbit Today I at least sense some kind of possible chemistry between them. Still think Days missed out. Theresa and Nick would have made a good couple. That is before they turned Nick way too psycho.
Magie and Julie just need to STFU. They are so concerned about Nick who is a homophobe, psycho and attempted rapest, yet they could care a less about what he did to Will, Sonny and Gabby (and I don't even like Gabby that much).. I think Nick has evolved from his homophobia.I have seen nothing to indicate he is still clinging to that view.I don't think Julie or Maggie know about the homophobia, blackmail,or attack on Gabi.They only know that Jensen raped him then later tried to kill him so under the circumstances I can see why they would continue to support him.
I like Brady and Theresa because they see each other for who they really are, call each other out on it,and accept each other.I like drunk Brady because he says what he actually thinks about the people around him including Theresa.
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Feb 3 2014, 09:42 PM
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I don't understand why is EJ a sacred cow. The writers were not troubled by dredging up Jack's violent history, so, why not EJ's. It might actually make the Ejabby s/l more interesting. Abby could be struggling to reconcile the man she's beginning to care about to the man who caused her family so much pain.
I've been asking this question about EJ since 2006. It boils down to them not knowing how to write him. They want him to be a villain and they want him to be a romantic lead. Those two things can go together, but not when the villain is written like EJ has been. You can't go around torturing, attempting to murder, and kidnapping people then just walk around town and BFFs with the families of all your victims when you've shown no remorse, made no amends, and you continue to act like a victim of their bullying. If they'd just write him a freaking redemption story, they could avoid a lot of this, but that's clearly not going to happen. Redemption doesn't have to mean he turns into a saint, but it could help greatly to put a lot of the past behind us in stead of it continuing to be an elephant in every scene he enters. They want to have their cake and eat it too with EJ, and it just plain doesn't work. It would be to the characters benefit if they'd just freakin' write a real story.
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Anyone else get the feeling EJ will end up being JJ's substitute attorney?
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Feb 3 2014, 09:48 PM
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All roads always lead to Sami and her stupid decisions. Apparently, every character is justified in the way they react to a particular situation because of Sami or Will. Anyway, Adrianne hates EJ and reacts strongly to him, so, it would make sense if she tells us why she dislikes him so much, specially when her niece is being an ass to her.
I am missing something.I have not seen Adrienne do/say anything recently demonstrating actual hatred or strong reaction to him.I only saw mild general objections to Justin working with EJ not impassioned conversation begging,pleading,or arguing with his decision to go into business with someone who has kidnapped Stephanie and/or brainwashed Steve.I have watched almost every show since 2009 and I think I would have remembered if she raised any strong objections to associating with EJ. I don't see asking your aunt to come to you if she is concerned about your behavior instead of going to your mother as if you are a teenager as acting like an ass.
Because it wasn't telling Adrienne not to go to her mother that made her an ass. If it had been limited to THAT issue, then it would be a different story. It was acting as if Adrienne had no reason to dislike EJ and basically saying Adrienne had no basis to judge him or her friendship with him. That made Abby an ass because Adrienne has many, many, many reasons to dislike EJ and has a factual basis (based on things that happened onscreen) to judge him left and right. Abby's dismissal of that makes her a big ol' ass. I don't see Abby as an ass because I didn't see Abby as telling Adrienne to like EJ,she was just explaining how she herself saw EJ.Adrienne has a right to her opinon and feelings toward EJ but I feel Abby as a twenty something has a right to make her own decisions as to whom she finds acceptable.I don't see that Abby has to hate EJ because Adrienne has reason to and/or does hate him especially since it has not been shown that Abby knows what happened with Stephanie and Steve and Adrienne did not tell Justin or Sonny to stay away from EJ,hell EJ will probably be best man at the wedding when Sonny and Will get married.
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I am missing something.I have not seen Adrienne do/say anything recently demonstrating actual hatred or strong reaction to him.I only saw mild general objections to Justin working with EJ not impassioned conversation begging,pleading,or arguing with his decision to go into business with someone who has kidnapped Stephanie and/or brainwashed Steve.I have watched almost every show since 2009 and I think I would have remembered if she raised any strong objections to associating with EJ. I don't see asking your aunt to come to you if she is concerned about your behavior instead of going to your mother as if you are a teenager as acting like an ass.
She showed some pretty strong reactions to him after his stupid empty threat to her last summer. But even if she didn't, bad writing, lack of character motivation, and inconsistency last summer doesn't excuse bad writing, lack of character motivation, and inconsistency now.
I saw fear when he made the statement not hatred and even then I did not see any questioning of Justin's continued involvement.I am not saying she should not hate EJ or have strong adverse feeling toward him,I was just responding to the portion of the post stating she hates him and reacts strongly and stating that the writing for her (good,bad,indifferent)did not show hatred or strong negative feeling only fear in that particular instance when he threatened her nothing related to Steve or Stephanie. I am just saying the writing and scenes did not show her feeling as cited in the post.I don't have high standards,I just roll with how the character is currently being written despite their history showing they should feel a different way about another character.Like Chloe/Nicole and Kristin/Jennifer being best friends. Even before the stalking and the threat, Adrienne was against Justin getting involved with the Demira's. She was troubled by her husband's association with EJ. But long before that, she also showed that she despised EJ. When Will and Sonny where trying to make their mothers to get along, at Common Grounds, when Sami and Adrienne were about to shake hands, Adrianne saw the engagement ring and wasn't shy to show her disgust. Sonny even said to her that she was acting like Sami was marrying Jack the Ripper and Adrienne said: "Well she is, isn't she ... or at least Lord Voldemort.'' If that's not extreme dislike, I don't know what is.
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I am missing something.I have not seen Adrienne do/say anything recently demonstrating actual hatred or strong reaction to him.I only saw mild general objections to Justin working with EJ not impassioned conversation begging,pleading,or arguing with his decision to go into business with someone who has kidnapped Stephanie and/or brainwashed Steve.I have watched almost every show since 2009 and I think I would have remembered if she raised any strong objections to associating with EJ. I don't see asking your aunt to come to you if she is concerned about your behavior instead of going to your mother as if you are a teenager as acting like an ass.
Because it wasn't telling Adrienne not to go to her mother that made her an ass. If it had been limited to THAT issue, then it would be a different story. It was acting as if Adrienne had no reason to dislike EJ and basically saying Adrienne had no basis to judge him or her friendship with him. That made Abby an ass because Adrienne has many, many, many reasons to dislike EJ and has a factual basis (based on things that happened onscreen) to judge him left and right. Abby's dismissal of that makes her a big ol' ass.
I don't see Abby as an ass because I didn't see Abby as telling Adrienne to like EJ,she was just explaining how she herself saw EJ.Adrienne has a right to her opinon and feelings toward EJ but I feel Abby as a twenty something has a right to make her own decisions as to whom she finds acceptable.I don't see that Abby has to hate EJ because Adrienne has reason to and/or does hate him especially since it has not been shown that Abby knows what happened with Stephanie and Steve and Adrienne did not tell Justin or Sonny to stay about from EJ,hell EJ will probably be best man at the wedding when Sonny and Will get married. From Pat's recap:
"Abby - Excuse me, Aunt Adrienne, what do you know about him? You don't know anything about him so why don't you keep an open mind the way my parents have taught me . . ."
The bolded is what I am talking about. She's telling Adrienne that she doesn't know anything about EJ. It's not a family secret what EJ did to Steve and Abby was in town for it.
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I am missing something.I have not seen Adrienne do/say anything recently demonstrating actual hatred or strong reaction to him.I only saw mild general objections to Justin working with EJ not impassioned conversation begging,pleading,or arguing with his decision to go into business with someone who has kidnapped Stephanie and/or brainwashed Steve.I have watched almost every show since 2009 and I think I would have remembered if she raised any strong objections to associating with EJ. I don't see asking your aunt to come to you if she is concerned about your behavior instead of going to your mother as if you are a teenager as acting like an ass.
She showed some pretty strong reactions to him after his stupid empty threat to her last summer. But even if she didn't, bad writing, lack of character motivation, and inconsistency last summer doesn't excuse bad writing, lack of character motivation, and inconsistency now.
If I remember correctly, her feelings were so strong that she was willing to risk the desolation of her marriage over it. She didn't want Justin working with EJ and she was angry about it. She even asked him at one point why isn't he bothered by the fact that his son is "practically part of the Dimera family." Adrianne's feelings were not ambiguous but they were lacking background or motivation. If only the writers weren't bent on whitewashing EJ's sordid history, it would have been a great drama. I don't understand why is EJ a sacred cow. The writers were not troubled by dredging up Jack's violent history, so, why not EJ's. It might actually make the Ejabby s/l more interesting. Abby could be struggling to reconcile the man she's beginning to care about to the man who caused her family so much pain. I am enjoying Ejabby, and both Abby and EJ in the s/l (or plot twist, however you want to look at it), and I can rationalize all the actions taken from here till next month. But I do agree that Abby fully acknowledging the bad things EJ has done to her family and grappling with how she can square her passion and developing like for this man, while also being aware of the criminal he is, would make the story better. Of course it would, and maybe that is to come (maayyyybbeeee, although from spoilers the show seems more intent on showing how Abby is obsessed and can't let go, which is a shame imo). It's odd because this thing with EJ being called out as a "bad man" by Abby so often, you would think, would be tantamount to her outwardly acknowledging his history as a bad man. Jennifer has pointed out over and over again what bad news the DiMeras are, so I think this fact is definitely on Abby's brain. And I feel like I have seen her conflicted about how the "good character" she aims or purports to be, is in direct contradiction with her behavior. But it seems to be conflict about the illicitness of the affair, I guess, or how it's in violation of commandments, or how the DiMeras are "bad" in a vague, catch-all kind of way. We've had many of these "what am I doing/what is wrong with me" scenes. She has stated she realizes how out of her mind she's acting, but that might have more to do with the spontaneous sex than anything else. It would be great if she could give specific voice to how she can't help but see EJ differently now.
I think that's the voice that was speaking to Adrienne today, but in an overzealous, overly-assured, myopic kind of way. It just felt to me Abby was running on this high of ill-advised self-assuredness, maybe partly informed by the fact she's in possession of this big secret, maybe partly by a fool-hardy entitlement she thinks she has, because she certainly "knows" EJ in a way Adrienne doesn't. These are all hypotheticals of course, so I guess that means I am just fanwanking. But mix this kind of new confidence with her (more justifiable, imo) indignation that Adrienne would make an assumption, and then speak to Jennifer about it directly before speaking with Abby, gets you that confrontation from today. I am not saying Abby didn't act like an ass - I called her a twat - but I can see what motivated it (other than lazy writing).
Did I have a point here? Oh yeah, to say that Abby not whitewashing or conveniently forgetting what EJ has done to make him this "bad man" she likes to call him, would help anchor the story for sure.
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