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Feb 3 2014, 05:01 PM
Also, it's no secret that I don't really care for Blake Berris as an actor. I've always maintained that he's only just "okay" at best and that there are much better actors on the show. But I've never called him "campy" before. Since Nick's return from the dead (and especially on Friday and Monday's episodes), Blake has been very campy.

I can't stand campy acting in soaps, so this is making me hate his presence on the show even more than I did before.
What in the world does 'campy' mean?

I think BB is a great actor.
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She showed some pretty strong reactions to him after his stupid empty threat to her last summer.

But even if she didn't, bad writing, lack of character motivation, and inconsistency last summer doesn't excuse bad writing, lack of character motivation, and inconsistency now.
If I remember correctly, her feelings were so strong that she was willing to risk the desolation of her marriage over it. She didn't want Justin working with EJ and she was angry about it. She even asked him at one point why isn't he bothered by the fact that his son is "practically part of the Dimera family." Adrianne's feelings were not ambiguous but they were lacking background or motivation. If only the writers weren't bent on whitewashing EJ's sordid history, it would have been a great drama.

I don't understand why is EJ a sacred cow. The writers were not troubled by dredging up Jack's violent history, so, why not EJ's. It might actually make the Ejabby s/l more interesting. Abby could be struggling to reconcile the man she's beginning to care about to the man who caused her family so much pain.
I am enjoying Ejabby, and both Abby and EJ in the s/l (or plot twist, however you want to look at it), and I can rationalize all the actions taken from here till next month. But I do agree that Abby fully acknowledging the bad things EJ has done to her family and grappling with how she can square her passion and developing like for this man, while also being aware of the criminal he is, would make the story better. Of course it would, and maybe that is to come (maayyyybbeeee, although from spoilers the show seems more intent on showing how Abby is obsessed and can't let go, which is a shame imo). It's odd because this thing with EJ being called out as a "bad man" by Abby so often, you would think, would be tantamount to her outwardly acknowledging his history as a bad man. Jennifer has pointed out over and over again what bad news the DiMeras are, so I think this fact is definitely on Abby's brain. And I feel like I have seen her conflicted about how the "good character" she aims or purports to be, is in direct contradiction with her behavior. But it seems to be conflict about the illicitness of the affair, I guess, or how it's in violation of commandments, or how the DiMeras are "bad" in a vague, catch-all kind of way. We've had many of these "what am I doing/what is wrong with me" scenes. She has stated she realizes how out of her mind she's acting, but that might have more to do with the spontaneous sex than anything else. It would be great if she could give specific voice to how she can't help but see EJ differently now.

I think that's the voice that was speaking to Adrienne today, but in an overzealous, overly-assured, myopic kind of way. It just felt to me Abby was running on this high of ill-advised self-assuredness, maybe partly informed by the fact she's in possession of this big secret, maybe partly by a fool-hardy entitlement she thinks she has, because she certainly "knows" EJ in a way Adrienne doesn't. These are all hypotheticals of course, so I guess that means I am just fanwanking. But mix this kind of new confidence with her (more justifiable, imo) indignation that Adrienne would make an assumption, and then speak to Jennifer about it directly before speaking with Abby, gets you that confrontation from today. I am not saying Abby didn't act like an ass - I called her a twat - but I can see what motivated it (other than lazy writing).

Did I have a point here? Oh yeah, to say that Abby not whitewashing or conveniently forgetting what EJ has done to make him this "bad man" she likes to call him, would help anchor the story for sure.
You make great points and your rational is sound.

I wouldn't even mind if she was the catalyst for his redumption. But they cannot ignore EJ's past, specially since he inflicted unspeakable pain on people who are very close to her. You cannot tell me that Abby cares about her third cousin Nick and goes on and on about the meaning of family, yet she doesn't really care about uncle Steve or cousin Stephanie. She was an adult and in town when EJ harmed her cousin Stephanie. But the show is choosing to portray Adrienne as a busybody who's gossiping about silly things, instead of someone who has a legitimate greavance about the man who hurt her family.
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Feb 3 2014, 08:57 PM
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Feb 3 2014, 05:24 PM

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All roads always lead to Sami and her stupid decisions. Apparently, every character is justified in the way they react to a particular situation because of Sami or Will.

Anyway, Adrianne hates EJ and reacts strongly to him, so, it would make sense if she tells us why she dislikes him so much, specially when her niece is being an ass to her.
I am missing something.I have not seen Adrienne do/say anything recently demonstrating actual hatred or strong reaction to him.I only saw mild general objections to Justin working with EJ not impassioned conversation begging,pleading,or arguing with his decision to go into business with someone who has kidnapped Stephanie and/or brainwashed Steve.I have watched almost every show since 2009 and I think I would have remembered if she raised any strong objections to associating with EJ.
I don't see asking your aunt to come to you if she is concerned about your behavior instead of going to your mother as if you are a teenager as acting like an ass.
She showed some pretty strong reactions to him after his stupid empty threat to her last summer.

But even if she didn't, bad writing, lack of character motivation, and inconsistency last summer doesn't excuse bad writing, lack of character motivation, and inconsistency now.
Adrienne actually raised really big objections about him working with EJ. I remember at least two really big fights between her and Justin. They were on the outs for awhile because of it.
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Because it wasn't telling Adrienne not to go to her mother that made her an ass. If it had been limited to THAT issue, then it would be a different story. It was acting as if Adrienne had no reason to dislike EJ and basically saying Adrienne had no basis to judge him or her friendship with him. That made Abby an ass because Adrienne has many, many, many reasons to dislike EJ and has a factual basis (based on things that happened onscreen) to judge him left and right. Abby's dismissal of that makes her a big ol' ass.
I don't see Abby as an ass because I didn't see Abby as telling Adrienne to like EJ,she was just explaining how she herself saw EJ.Adrienne has a right to her opinon and feelings toward EJ but I feel Abby as a twenty something has a right to make her own decisions as to whom she finds acceptable.I don't see that Abby has to hate EJ because Adrienne has reason to and/or does hate him especially since it has not been shown that Abby knows what happened with Stephanie and Steve and Adrienne did not tell Justin or Sonny to stay about from EJ,hell EJ will probably be best man at the wedding when Sonny and Will get married.
From Pat's recap:

"Abby - Excuse me, Aunt Adrienne, what do you know about him? You don't know anything about him so why don't you keep an open mind the way my parents have taught me . . ."

The bolded is what I am talking about. She's telling Adrienne that she doesn't know anything about EJ. It's not a family secret what EJ did to Steve and Abby was in town for it.


And this is the part that I feel Abigail is forgotten to be a Johnson. If Ej had tortured a Horton, you bet dollars to donuts she would know about it.

But I feel like the Johnson clan, especially Steve and Kayla, get segmented away from the rest of their family. I nearly fell off my chair when Sonny mentioned Abby was his cousin. Usually when Wilson is around, she is referred to as Will's cousin.

I think overall elci525's take on it is what the writers have in mind. That Abby is not exactly completely rationale when defending EJ but her point that Adrienne should have come to her first instead of tattle telling her mom would have been the better way to go. And Abby's new "insights" into EJ have her believe she knows him better than most people do in Salem and she's not exactly wrong there either.

The real problem is, other than they tiptoeing around EJ's "true past" is Abigail is seeing things in terms of black and white from her limited knowledge of EJ. EJ's seemingly understanding of her father's psyche, his "protection of Gabi over Nick" (which she goes back and forth in believing) and the passion she feels when she's with him are clouding her judgement on him and honestly, that's completely believable. It's the inability of others to define their stance on why they "know" EJ is a "bad man" that gives us weak moments in the storyline.
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Kayla makes her first appearance in 2014 later this week; Ian Patrick Williams' character (The Gentleman) finally has his name, Percy Ruggles said on air, and Jonathon Trent makes his debut as Rory's older brother, Kurt.

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If I remember correctly, her feelings were so strong that she was willing to risk the desolation of her marriage over it. She didn't want Justin working with EJ and she was angry about it. She even asked him at one point why isn't he bothered by the fact that his son is "practically part of the Dimera family." Adrianne's feelings were not ambiguous but they were lacking background or motivation. If only the writers weren't bent on whitewashing EJ's sordid history, it would have been a great drama.

I don't understand why is EJ a sacred cow. The writers were not troubled by dredging up Jack's violent history, so, why not EJ's. It might actually make the Ejabby s/l more interesting. Abby could be struggling to reconcile the man she's beginning to care about to the man who caused her family so much pain.
I am enjoying Ejabby, and both Abby and EJ in the s/l (or plot twist, however you want to look at it), and I can rationalize all the actions taken from here till next month. But I do agree that Abby fully acknowledging the bad things EJ has done to her family and grappling with how she can square her passion and developing like for this man, while also being aware of the criminal he is, would make the story better. Of course it would, and maybe that is to come (maayyyybbeeee, although from spoilers the show seems more intent on showing how Abby is obsessed and can't let go, which is a shame imo). It's odd because this thing with EJ being called out as a "bad man" by Abby so often, you would think, would be tantamount to her outwardly acknowledging his history as a bad man. Jennifer has pointed out over and over again what bad news the DiMeras are, so I think this fact is definitely on Abby's brain. And I feel like I have seen her conflicted about how the "good character" she aims or purports to be, is in direct contradiction with her behavior. But it seems to be conflict about the illicitness of the affair, I guess, or how it's in violation of commandments, or how the DiMeras are "bad" in a vague, catch-all kind of way. We've had many of these "what am I doing/what is wrong with me" scenes. She has stated she realizes how out of her mind she's acting, but that might have more to do with the spontaneous sex than anything else. It would be great if she could give specific voice to how she can't help but see EJ differently now.

I think that's the voice that was speaking to Adrienne today, but in an overzealous, overly-assured, myopic kind of way. It just felt to me Abby was running on this high of ill-advised self-assuredness, maybe partly informed by the fact she's in possession of this big secret, maybe partly by a fool-hardy entitlement she thinks she has, because she certainly "knows" EJ in a way Adrienne doesn't. These are all hypotheticals of course, so I guess that means I am just fanwanking. But mix this kind of new confidence with her (more justifiable, imo) indignation that Adrienne would make an assumption, and then speak to Jennifer about it directly before speaking with Abby, gets you that confrontation from today. I am not saying Abby didn't act like an ass - I called her a twat - but I can see what motivated it (other than lazy writing).

Did I have a point here? Oh yeah, to say that Abby not whitewashing or conveniently forgetting what EJ has done to make him this "bad man" she likes to call him, would help anchor the story for sure.
You make great points and your rational is sound.

I wouldn't even mind if she was the catalyst for his redumption. But they cannot ignore EJ's past, specially since he inflicted unspeakable pain on people who are very close to her. You cannot tell me that Abby cares about her third cousin Nick and goes on and on about the meaning of family, yet she doesn't really care about uncle Steve or cousin Stephanie. She was an adult and in town when EJ harmed her cousin Stephanie. But the show is choosing to portray Adrienne as a busybody who's gossiping about silly things, instead of someone who has a legitimate greavance about the man who hurt her family.
Considering how their "relationship" is starting, I don't see how Abby could possibly be the catalyst for his redemption. Definitely not in a well written story (so there's my answer). She's too wrong about him to redeem him.
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Feb 3 2014, 10:26 PM
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I am enjoying Ejabby, and both Abby and EJ in the s/l (or plot twist, however you want to look at it), and I can rationalize all the actions taken from here till next month. But I do agree that Abby fully acknowledging the bad things EJ has done to her family and grappling with how she can square her passion and developing like for this man, while also being aware of the criminal he is, would make the story better. Of course it would, and maybe that is to come (maayyyybbeeee, although from spoilers the show seems more intent on showing how Abby is obsessed and can't let go, which is a shame imo). It's odd because this thing with EJ being called out as a "bad man" by Abby so often, you would think, would be tantamount to her outwardly acknowledging his history as a bad man. Jennifer has pointed out over and over again what bad news the DiMeras are, so I think this fact is definitely on Abby's brain. And I feel like I have seen her conflicted about how the "good character" she aims or purports to be, is in direct contradiction with her behavior. But it seems to be conflict about the illicitness of the affair, I guess, or how it's in violation of commandments, or how the DiMeras are "bad" in a vague, catch-all kind of way. We've had many of these "what am I doing/what is wrong with me" scenes. She has stated she realizes how out of her mind she's acting, but that might have more to do with the spontaneous sex than anything else. It would be great if she could give specific voice to how she can't help but see EJ differently now.

I think that's the voice that was speaking to Adrienne today, but in an overzealous, overly-assured, myopic kind of way. It just felt to me Abby was running on this high of ill-advised self-assuredness, maybe partly informed by the fact she's in possession of this big secret, maybe partly by a fool-hardy entitlement she thinks she has, because she certainly "knows" EJ in a way Adrienne doesn't. These are all hypotheticals of course, so I guess that means I am just fanwanking. But mix this kind of new confidence with her (more justifiable, imo) indignation that Adrienne would make an assumption, and then speak to Jennifer about it directly before speaking with Abby, gets you that confrontation from today. I am not saying Abby didn't act like an ass - I called her a twat - but I can see what motivated it (other than lazy writing).

Did I have a point here? Oh yeah, to say that Abby not whitewashing or conveniently forgetting what EJ has done to make him this "bad man" she likes to call him, would help anchor the story for sure.
You make great points and your rational is sound.

I wouldn't even mind if she was the catalyst for his redumption. But they cannot ignore EJ's past, specially since he inflicted unspeakable pain on people who are very close to her. You cannot tell me that Abby cares about her third cousin Nick and goes on and on about the meaning of family, yet she doesn't really care about uncle Steve or cousin Stephanie. She was an adult and in town when EJ harmed her cousin Stephanie. But the show is choosing to portray Adrienne as a busybody who's gossiping about silly things, instead of someone who has a legitimate greavance about the man who hurt her family.
Considering how their "relationship" is starting, I don't see how Abby could possibly be the catalyst for his redemption. Definitely not in a well written story (so there's my answer). She's too wrong about him to redeem him.
The way the s/l is going, you are correct but they can still write an interesting storyline. But they won't. It'll be a silly story where we will hate both women. Sami will act like a clueless idiot and Abby will pretent that she knows EJ more than anyone. Every other character will be sacrificed because no one is allowed to mention why they don't like EJ and don't want him with Abby.
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Feb 3 2014, 09:44 PM
Anyone else get the feeling EJ will end up being JJ's substitute attorney?
no. it'll probably be Aiden.
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Feb 3 2014, 10:27 PM
The new guy is probably the one playing Rory's brother
Yes, it says that in my post!! He'll be playing Rory's older brother, Kurt.
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I am enjoying Ejabby, and both Abby and EJ in the s/l (or plot twist, however you want to look at it), and I can rationalize all the actions taken from here till next month. But I do agree that Abby fully acknowledging the bad things EJ has done to her family and grappling with how she can square her passion and developing like for this man, while also being aware of the criminal he is, would make the story better. Of course it would, and maybe that is to come (maayyyybbeeee, although from spoilers the show seems more intent on showing how Abby is obsessed and can't let go, which is a shame imo). It's odd because this thing with EJ being called out as a "bad man" by Abby so often, you would think, would be tantamount to her outwardly acknowledging his history as a bad man. Jennifer has pointed out over and over again what bad news the DiMeras are, so I think this fact is definitely on Abby's brain. And I feel like I have seen her conflicted about how the "good character" she aims or purports to be, is in direct contradiction with her behavior. But it seems to be conflict about the illicitness of the affair, I guess, or how it's in violation of commandments, or how the DiMeras are "bad" in a vague, catch-all kind of way. We've had many of these "what am I doing/what is wrong with me" scenes. She has stated she realizes how out of her mind she's acting, but that might have more to do with the spontaneous sex than anything else. It would be great if she could give specific voice to how she can't help but see EJ differently now.

I think that's the voice that was speaking to Adrienne today, but in an overzealous, overly-assured, myopic kind of way. It just felt to me Abby was running on this high of ill-advised self-assuredness, maybe partly informed by the fact she's in possession of this big secret, maybe partly by a fool-hardy entitlement she thinks she has, because she certainly "knows" EJ in a way Adrienne doesn't. These are all hypotheticals of course, so I guess that means I am just fanwanking. But mix this kind of new confidence with her (more justifiable, imo) indignation that Adrienne would make an assumption, and then speak to Jennifer about it directly before speaking with Abby, gets you that confrontation from today. I am not saying Abby didn't act like an ass - I called her a twat - but I can see what motivated it (other than lazy writing).

Did I have a point here? Oh yeah, to say that Abby not whitewashing or conveniently forgetting what EJ has done to make him this "bad man" she likes to call him, would help anchor the story for sure.
You make great points and your rational is sound.

I wouldn't even mind if she was the catalyst for his redumption. But they cannot ignore EJ's past, specially since he inflicted unspeakable pain on people who are very close to her. You cannot tell me that Abby cares about her third cousin Nick and goes on and on about the meaning of family, yet she doesn't really care about uncle Steve or cousin Stephanie. She was an adult and in town when EJ harmed her cousin Stephanie. But the show is choosing to portray Adrienne as a busybody who's gossiping about silly things, instead of someone who has a legitimate greavance about the man who hurt her family.
Considering how their "relationship" is starting, I don't see how Abby could possibly be the catalyst for his redemption. Definitely not in a well written story (so there's my answer). She's too wrong about him to redeem him.
Exactly. That was my point when folks were making the Ejabby and J&J comparisons. The show is moving in the exact OPPOSITE direction of a redemptive love story with Ejabby. Instead, it's all sex and he's dirtying her up.
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I don't see Abby as an ass because I didn't see Abby as telling Adrienne to like EJ,she was just explaining how she herself saw EJ.Adrienne has a right to her opinon and feelings toward EJ but I feel Abby as a twenty something has a right to make her own decisions as to whom she finds acceptable.I don't see that Abby has to hate EJ because Adrienne has reason to and/or does hate him especially since it has not been shown that Abby knows what happened with Stephanie and Steve and Adrienne did not tell Justin or Sonny to stay about from EJ,hell EJ will probably be best man at the wedding when Sonny and Will get married.
From Pat's recap:

"Abby - Excuse me, Aunt Adrienne, what do you know about him? You don't know anything about him so why don't you keep an open mind the way my parents have taught me . . ."

The bolded is what I am talking about. She's telling Adrienne that she doesn't know anything about EJ. It's not a family secret what EJ did to Steve and Abby was in town for it.


And this is the part that I feel Abigail is forgotten to be a Johnson. If Ej had tortured a Horton, you bet dollars to donuts she would know about it.

But I feel like the Johnson clan, especially Steve and Kayla, get segmented away from the rest of their family. I nearly fell off my chair when Sonny mentioned Abby was his cousin. Usually when Wilson is around, she is referred to as Will's cousin.

I think overall elci525's take on it is what the writers have in mind. That Abby is not exactly completely rationale when defending EJ but her point that Adrienne should have come to her first instead of tattle telling her mom would have been the better way to go. And Abby's new "insights" into EJ have her believe she knows him better than most people do in Salem and she's not exactly wrong there either.

The real problem is, other than they tiptoeing around EJ's "true past" is Abigail is seeing things in terms of black and white from her limited knowledge of EJ. EJ's seemingly understanding of her father's psyche, his "protection of Gabi over Nick" (which she goes back and forth in believing) and the passion she feels when she's with him are clouding her judgement on him and honestly, that's completely believable. It's the inability of others to define their stance on why they "know" EJ is a "bad man" that gives us weak moments in the storyline.
Oh no - does this mean I understand the minds of these Days writers? That a bit of a scary thought, lol! ;)
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You make great points and your rational is sound.

I wouldn't even mind if she was the catalyst for his redumption. But they cannot ignore EJ's past, specially since he inflicted unspeakable pain on people who are very close to her. You cannot tell me that Abby cares about her third cousin Nick and goes on and on about the meaning of family, yet she doesn't really care about uncle Steve or cousin Stephanie. She was an adult and in town when EJ harmed her cousin Stephanie. But the show is choosing to portray Adrienne as a busybody who's gossiping about silly things, instead of someone who has a legitimate greavance about the man who hurt her family.
Considering how their "relationship" is starting, I don't see how Abby could possibly be the catalyst for his redemption. Definitely not in a well written story (so there's my answer). She's too wrong about him to redeem him.
Exactly. That was my point when folks were making the Ejabby and J&J comparisons. The show is moving in the exact OPPOSITE direction of a redemptive love story with Ejabby. Instead, it's all sex and he's dirtying her up.
What a way to make things worse is to redeem EJ.
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Feb 3 2014, 10:02 PM
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Also, it's no secret that I don't really care for Blake Berris as an actor. I've always maintained that he's only just "okay" at best and that there are much better actors on the show. But I've never called him "campy" before. Since Nick's return from the dead (and especially on Friday and Monday's episodes), Blake has been very campy.

I can't stand campy acting in soaps, so this is making me hate his presence on the show even more than I did before.
What in the world does 'campy' mean?

I think BB is a great actor.
IDK what it officially means but think Passions. Ridiculous, corny, OTT.

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She showed some pretty strong reactions to him after his stupid empty threat to her last summer.

But even if she didn't, bad writing, lack of character motivation, and inconsistency last summer doesn't excuse bad writing, lack of character motivation, and inconsistency now.
If I remember correctly, her feelings were so strong that she was willing to risk the desolation of her marriage over it. She didn't want Justin working with EJ and she was angry about it. She even asked him at one point why isn't he bothered by the fact that his son is "practically part of the Dimera family." Adrianne's feelings were not ambiguous but they were lacking background or motivation. If only the writers weren't bent on whitewashing EJ's sordid history, it would have been a great drama.

I don't understand why is EJ a sacred cow. The writers were not troubled by dredging up Jack's violent history, so, why not EJ's. It might actually make the Ejabby s/l more interesting. Abby could be struggling to reconcile the man she's beginning to care about to the man who caused her family so much pain.
I am enjoying Ejabby, and both Abby and EJ in the s/l (or plot twist, however you want to look at it), and I can rationalize all the actions taken from here till next month. But I do agree that Abby fully acknowledging the bad things EJ has done to her family and grappling with how she can square her passion and developing like for this man, while also being aware of the criminal he is, would make the story better. Of course it would, and maybe that is to come (maayyyybbeeee, although from spoilers the show seems more intent on showing how Abby is obsessed and can't let go, which is a shame imo). It's odd because this thing with EJ being called out as a "bad man" by Abby so often, you would think, would be tantamount to her outwardly acknowledging his history as a bad man. Jennifer has pointed out over and over again what bad news the DiMeras are, so I think this fact is definitely on Abby's brain. And I feel like I have seen her conflicted about how the "good character" she aims or purports to be, is in direct contradiction with her behavior. But it seems to be conflict about the illicitness of the affair, I guess, or how it's in violation of commandments, or how the DiMeras are "bad" in a vague, catch-all kind of way. We've had many of these "what am I doing/what is wrong with me" scenes. She has stated she realizes how out of her mind she's acting, but that might have more to do with the spontaneous sex than anything else. It would be great if she could give specific voice to how she can't help but see EJ differently now.

I think that's the voice that was speaking to Adrienne today, but in an overzealous, overly-assured, myopic kind of way. It just felt to me Abby was running on this high of ill-advised self-assuredness, maybe partly informed by the fact she's in possession of this big secret, maybe partly by a fool-hardy entitlement she thinks she has, because she certainly "knows" EJ in a way Adrienne doesn't. These are all hypotheticals of course, so I guess that means I am just fanwanking. But mix this kind of new confidence with her (more justifiable, imo) indignation that Adrienne would make an assumption, and then speak to Jennifer about it directly before speaking with Abby, gets you that confrontation from today. I am not saying Abby didn't act like an ass - I called her a twat - but I can see what motivated it (other than lazy writing).

Did I have a point here? Oh yeah, to say that Abby not whitewashing or conveniently forgetting what EJ has done to make him this "bad man" she likes to call him, would help anchor the story for sure.
It's fanwanking, elci, but it's good fanwanking. That is, I think you are articulating some logical and well thought out reasoning for why Abby is behaving as she is. But the problem and the reason why it's fanwanking is that's not the story they're bothering to put on-screen. And really, the bigger issue is that the writers aren't thinking a tenth as much about Abby's character motivation as you are. I can pretty much guarantee that today's scenes between Adrienne and Abby had NOTHING to do with trying to further develop and demonstrate Abby's POV and motivation for how she's feeling or acting at this moment, and EVERYTHING to do with setting up some plot point that will happen in the future. TomSell are good at that. They're good plot writers. They know how to pace a story and create twists. But they're horrible character writers. And that's why they'll never be great because the great soap writers can do both. Plots entertain me. Days usually entertains me. But great character writing moves me. And the only time I've been moved in the last 18 months is with Ericole. That's is, just two characters and one story out of the dozens and dozens over the last year. That's too bad because great soap can and should move you.
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Because it wasn't telling Adrienne not to go to her mother that made her an ass. If it had been limited to THAT issue, then it would be a different story. It was acting as if Adrienne had no reason to dislike EJ and basically saying Adrienne had no basis to judge him or her friendship with him. That made Abby an ass because Adrienne has many, many, many reasons to dislike EJ and has a factual basis (based on things that happened onscreen) to judge him left and right. Abby's dismissal of that makes her a big ol' ass.
I don't see Abby as an ass because I didn't see Abby as telling Adrienne to like EJ,she was just explaining how she herself saw EJ.Adrienne has a right to her opinon and feelings toward EJ but I feel Abby as a twenty something has a right to make her own decisions as to whom she finds acceptable.I don't see that Abby has to hate EJ because Adrienne has reason to and/or does hate him especially since it has not been shown that Abby knows what happened with Stephanie and Steve and Adrienne did not tell Justin or Sonny to stay about from EJ,hell EJ will probably be best man at the wedding when Sonny and Will get married.
From Pat's recap:

"Abby - Excuse me, Aunt Adrienne, what do you know about him? You don't know anything about him so why don't you keep an open mind the way my parents have taught me . . ."

The bolded is what I am talking about. She's telling Adrienne that she doesn't know anything about EJ. It's not a family secret what EJ did to Steve and Abby was in town for it.
Well Maggie and I believe Julie were in Salem when Nick was exhibiting homophobic behavior,blackmailing Will,manipulating Gabi,and attacking Gabi but they don't know it happened.If Adrienne had replied,"I do know EJ and what he is capable of because he did ..... to my brother Steve and .....to my niece Stephanie."I might feel differently.
If Abby in fact knows what EJ did to Steve and Stephanie,why would she ask what Adrienne knew about him or say that Adrienne doesn't know anything about him?
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I don't see Abby as an ass because I didn't see Abby as telling Adrienne to like EJ,she was just explaining how she herself saw EJ.Adrienne has a right to her opinon and feelings toward EJ but I feel Abby as a twenty something has a right to make her own decisions as to whom she finds acceptable.I don't see that Abby has to hate EJ because Adrienne has reason to and/or does hate him especially since it has not been shown that Abby knows what happened with Stephanie and Steve and Adrienne did not tell Justin or Sonny to stay about from EJ,hell EJ will probably be best man at the wedding when Sonny and Will get married.
From Pat's recap:

"Abby - Excuse me, Aunt Adrienne, what do you know about him? You don't know anything about him so why don't you keep an open mind the way my parents have taught me . . ."

The bolded is what I am talking about. She's telling Adrienne that she doesn't know anything about EJ. It's not a family secret what EJ did to Steve and Abby was in town for it.
Well Maggie and I believe Julie were in Salem when Nick was exhibiting homophobic behavior,blackmailing Will,manipulating Gabi,and attacking Gabi but they don't know it happened.If Adrienne had replied,"I do know EJ and what he is capable of because he did ..... to my brother Steve and .....to my niece Stephanie."I might feel differently.
If Abby in fact knows what EJ did to Steve and Stephanie,why would she ask what Adrienne knew about him or say that Adrienne doesn't know anything about him?
Because she's an idiot. Just like Sami.
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I don't see Abby as an ass because I didn't see Abby as telling Adrienne to like EJ,she was just explaining how she herself saw EJ.Adrienne has a right to her opinon and feelings toward EJ but I feel Abby as a twenty something has a right to make her own decisions as to whom she finds acceptable.I don't see that Abby has to hate EJ because Adrienne has reason to and/or does hate him especially since it has not been shown that Abby knows what happened with Stephanie and Steve and Adrienne did not tell Justin or Sonny to stay about from EJ,hell EJ will probably be best man at the wedding when Sonny and Will get married.
From Pat's recap:

"Abby - Excuse me, Aunt Adrienne, what do you know about him? You don't know anything about him so why don't you keep an open mind the way my parents have taught me . . ."

The bolded is what I am talking about. She's telling Adrienne that she doesn't know anything about EJ. It's not a family secret what EJ did to Steve and Abby was in town for it.
Well Maggie and I believe Julie were in Salem when Nick was exhibiting homophobic behavior,blackmailing Will,manipulating Gabi,and attacking Gabi but they don't know it happened.If Adrienne had replied,"I do know EJ and what he is capable of because he did ..... to my brother Steve and .....to my niece Stephanie."I might feel differently.
If Abby in fact knows what EJ did to Steve and Stephanie,why would she ask what Adrienne knew about him or say that Adrienne doesn't know anything about him?
Because the show wants to pretend it didn't happen. But Abby was there and, in fact, expressed sympathy to Kayla when Steve was in the mental hospital. It's impossible for me to believe she wasn't told the whole story by Stephanie if nobody else.
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Abby is a stupid horny little girl. It's hilarious how this story is supposed to age her up, when all it does for me is emphasize how painfully young and naive she still is. If they'd just let her be a normal 21st century girl who thinks sex is normal (like it is) she wouldn't have been so repressed and turned gaga by a stiff dick. The only way this is remotely like Jack and Jennifer is that he's a man in a neat suit with a dark past and she's a petite blonde good girl. With Jack and Jennifer, the bad man corrupting the virginal angel was played as a joke tagline from the back of a romance novel, which never actually came true. EJabby is that actual joke. Everything Abby ever said about being a smart woman with more important priorities in her life than mooning over men is a joke as well.

Of course I can't stand James Scott so this story was never going to be for me anyway.
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