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| Monday, February 3rd Daily Discussion | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 3 2014, 12:11 AM (22,310 Views) | |
| elci525 | Feb 3 2014, 11:28 PM Post #301 |
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Well yeah I definitely saw what the very obvious, simple plot "motivations" for Abby mouthing off to Adrienne about EJ today were. And for the record, I knew I was "fanwanking" or at least hole/motivation filling even though my post may have made it sound like I wasn't sure what my theories amounted to. I just can understand why Abby acted as cocksure and entitled with Adrienne as she did today in terms of knowing the "real" EJ or the EJ Adrienne doesn't know, and so I was explaining. I didn't feel myself trying to argue that in fact the sky is not blue it's secretly an invisible houndstooth pattern in order to make these inferences. It would be wonderful if the show more explicitly narrated these emotions and motivations rather than going full force on plot so that we have to fill in holes where we see deficits - no question! And, you know, at the end of the day maybe Abby just acted like a douche and Adrienne a busybody. That's ok too. But making interpretations about characters actions is something I do all the time, and I think that's part of being a thoughtful viewer. I am not claiming the scenes had anything to do with developing Abby's character, I guess, but I was trying to offer suggestions for WHY she defended EJ so stridently to the point of "forgetting" why Adrienne would know him well (based on his past actions to her family). That Abigail romanticizes EJ has been established, and I fully believe she was justifiably upset with Adrienne for the assumptions and tattling. And there have been a few moments when Abigail has sporadically wanted to assert her adulthood independence - such as her insistence right after cabinsexromp#1 that EJ didn't take advantage of her (which she then negated when she said he did, lol), or during her conversation with EJ in today's show where she insisted "if" the affair was over she'd be ok with it dammit!! So I use some of these instances to inform my interpretations. All of that doesn't excuse the lazy non-character driven storytelling or the show very pointedly wanting to ignore EJ's bad behavior (and I agree this comes from its inability to write him as a leading romantic hero as well as a villain), but forming opinions about why characters act as they do has forever been part of soap-watching for me. I guess I have been fan-wanking since 1995! Come to think of it, and this has probably been mentioned already, but Abby acting as if Adrienne had no basis to claim she knows EJ, wasn't as strange to me as Adrienne NOT coming back at her with exactly why young missything was totally wrong. Again, for Abby to be indignant and on her sassy-horse seems pretty in character for her imo, and I can buy she "forgot" EJ's crimes for that moment in the conversation (since she was on a mission to prove a different point). What made less sense to me was Adrienne not laying some truth back on her. This would have been great! In fact, I don't think we ever actually saw Adrienne observe Ejabby, have a moment of thoughtfulness and recognition, or speak to Jennifer, right? We only have Jennifer reporting what Adrienne told her? Well to me all of this happening off-camera instantly robs Adrienne of agency and reduces her to a meddling busybody, which is all the show seemed interested in painting her as today (which is why she wasn't allowed to "remember" or specify EJs crimes either, at least for that moment). So, yeah, I guess my point is I see the EJ-is-bad amnesia less a fault of Abby's and more a fault of the show, if that makes sense....but I agree it's still a problem whenever it happens. In this particular case, I can understand Abby "forgetting" in her rush to prove a point, but I understand less Adrienne "forgetting" since Abby's hyperbole put in her prime position to lay down some massive truth. In any event, I agree rather unequivocally with the overall point that the show should focus on character writing versus plot hopping - except for when the plot hops to places I enjoy ;) Edited by elci525, Feb 4 2014, 09:11 AM.
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| BeeBee | Feb 3 2014, 11:41 PM Post #302 |
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I won't dislike Abby unless the affair continues after EJ and Sami marry.I like the EJ/Abby story as written because I like both characters and don't know a lot of back story so I am not bothered by the same issues that bother others.This may very well be true of some new viewers.I have a better memory about what has happened since 2009 which is when I began to watch the show on a daily basis.I learn quite a bit about characters by reading the posts of others on this site who recall events in detail that occurred twenty years ago or more.I am happier watching the show because it is just a little escapism in the middle of the day.If I can suspend belief enought to accept Jack returning to Salem after having his organs harvested and donated to others,I am not going to quibble about out of character writing for the denizens of Salem when I am getting storylines I enjoy like EJ/Abby,Nicole/Eric,Sonny/Will,Rafe/Jordan,Hope/Aiden,Kate,Nick,Stefano,drunk Brady,JJ,and no Fetch.And I am looking forward to seeing John,Kristin,and Eve arrive.Too much to like for me to focus on what I dislike. |
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| Trevor | Feb 3 2014, 11:41 PM Post #303 |
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The same thought crossed my mind and I remember seeing a spoiler about Abby being in an uncomfortable situation with EJ due to Adrienne. I think that is it. |
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| Kaha | Feb 3 2014, 11:50 PM Post #304 |
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Didn't Adrienne say the lawyer is from Justin's firm? I doubt it will be EJ. I think it's Aidan. |
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| BeeBee | Feb 3 2014, 11:50 PM Post #305 |
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Atleast you're the one dragging Sami into this time. |
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| BeeBee | Feb 4 2014, 12:01 AM Post #306 |
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Abby might know the what but not who was involved.If you don't have an on screen conversation where EJ's name was specifically mentioned between Abby and Kayla or Abby and Stephanie or have the character mention what they were told by another character,you don't know that Abby actually knows EJ's role in what happened to Steve and/or Stephanie. You would think that someone would have told Maggie,Julie,Jennifer,or Abby about Nick's homophobia and blackmailing of Will but based on the fact that none of them have said a word about either,I don't think they were told. |
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| Trevor | Feb 4 2014, 12:03 AM Post #307 |
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I don't remember the details of who she said it would be except the person is supposed to be good or something close to that? all I know is EJ popped into my mind. |
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| Supergirlx2 | Feb 4 2014, 12:03 AM Post #308 |
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| Supergirlx2 | Feb 4 2014, 12:03 AM Post #309 |
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| esp13 | Feb 4 2014, 12:15 AM Post #314 |
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And, once again, shitty storytelling and plot holes in one story do not excuse them in another. I certainly agree that Julie, Maggie, and Hope should know whether they do or not. And if they don't know, that's just another piece of crap writing which only proves my point about the failure of the writers to tell the story. My criticism is the same either way. If Abby knows, she's being an ass. If she doesn't know, then she's clearly stupid. Either way, it makes me think the character kind of sucks. |
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| Kaha | Feb 4 2014, 12:24 AM Post #315 |
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Okay, I am beginning to get really tired of the non murder s/l. How many ways can Nick say to the Coven that he knows what they did to him? Just get it over with. It's becoming unbearable. I also, hate EJ's attitude towards the Coven, specially Gabi. The girl needs some perspective, and to stay away from the man who tortured her brother. I don't understand why all these women are acting like dumb damsels in distress running to EJ everytime someone says boo to them? |
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| trojangal | Feb 4 2014, 12:30 AM Post #316 |
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I think the problem is when characters are no longer on the show the writers act as if they never existed . For example since Steve & Stephanie are no longer in Salem whatever happened to them is ignored. They did the same thing when Kristen returned to Salem & Jen was her BFF despite what Kristen did to Laura and the whole Peter thing was also ignored. It is a stupid move by the writers because the stories make no sense since the audience knows what really happened. |
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| SaveDaysNow | Feb 4 2014, 12:30 AM Post #317 |
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I like Abby. But her "work" outfits are way too sexy for a hospital and unprofessional. I wonder why Anne hasn't sent her home. High slit leather skirts and deep v-necks makes it seem she's is dressing for potential run-ins with EJ. I don't recall her being in wardrobe so provacative pre-cabin tryst, but I could be wrong. DAYS wardrobe hates Gabi. And Kate. They both look like circus clowns most of the time, and that is something since Sami has always lacked in the style department but is making them look good. |
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| Tripp | Feb 4 2014, 12:30 AM Post #318 |
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Such different opinions. This whole "does Abby know or not know" doesn't really bother me at all. Do I wish the show would approach it? yes. But the show has always dropped the ball in regards to diving into past characters evil evil evil deeds. At least in the last 10 years or more. Ej isn't the first character they did this with, I remember Stephanie befriended Philip almost immediately without the slightest concern he terrorized her cousin Shawn (and Belle) or Victor's horrific treatment of the Johnsons. I just don't get why Abby is held to a higher standard than Sami who actually has had evil deeds done directly to her by EJ himself. If I can accept Sami's love for EJ in spite of all the horrific things he's done actually to her, then I can accept Abby's possible ignorance of EJ's past deeds done to the Johnson side of the family (that we see such little interaction). The whole reason I actually am drawn to Abby and EJ isnt because of their chemistry, it's the fact that EJ and Abby have had very little interaction between each other. All this time in Salem, all these years the characters have been on canvas, they have had no interaction other than civil remarks at social gatherings. You can take their story pretty much anywhere you want it to go as well pit EJ up with a new family (the Hortons). Will Abby become disillusioned with EJ as she gets to know him? Most probably. I'm curious to see how that goes. Or maybe they will take Abigail to the dark side which certainly would shake up the Hortons a bit. I see many more possibilities than a simple a redemption story (and with EJ, it can't be simple). If you break up Ejami, which now that AS is leaving you have to, pairing EJ back with Nicole won't work for me. They ruined that with all the shit he's done to her including making her freaking scared to death of him. Is EJ capable of treating a woman right? I dont know. He hasn't done that for his current relationships but I am curious to see if the Ejabby pairing will work. And finally, Ive said it before and say it again. I do not think Ejabby are anything like J/J. Jack and EJ are miles apart, even when Jack was his worst, he was never as despicable as EJ is at his worst. |
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| tomsawyer | Feb 4 2014, 12:33 AM Post #319 |
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Yes, now that I've post ad nauseum about the piss poor character writing for Abby, please allow me to turn my attention to Gabi. Here's my caveats before my diatribe. (1) it cracks me the fuck up every time EJ rolls his eyes at Gabi because that's how EJ SHOULD be responding when confronted with the annoying, naive behavior of one of Salem tweens (you know, as opposed to fucking them). (2) CB is killing it as clueless, over-reactionary Gabi and she's making her all kinds of hilarious. Ok, with that said, what in the FUCK is Gabi doing with the hero worship of EJ??? Seriously, this girl knows every damn thing he's done to her BELOVED brother over the past five years, including kidnapping him, erasing his memory and trying to kill him. Let me repeat that... kidnapping, erasing the memory of and trying to kill her BROTHER. It's beyond ridiculous that she'd stand to be in the same room with him, let alone extolling his praises and bringing him baskets of churros. Seriously, WTF!?!?!?!?! |
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| iheartwilson | Feb 4 2014, 12:38 AM Post #320 |
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That scarf looks really weird on Nick. |
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