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Monday, February 3rd Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Feb 3 2014, 12:11 AM (22,309 Views)
lysie


BeeBee
Feb 3 2014, 11:50 PM
lysie
Feb 3 2014, 11:05 PM
BeeBee
Feb 3 2014, 11:01 PM
esp13
Feb 3 2014, 09:56 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepExcuse me, Aunt Adrienne, what do you know about him? You don't know anything about him so why don't you keep an open mind the way my parents have taught me . . ."

The bolded is what I am talking about. She's telling Adrienne that she doesn't know anything about EJ. It's not a family secret what EJ did to Steve and Abby was in town for it.
Well Maggie and I believe Julie were in Salem when Nick was exhibiting homophobic behavior,blackmailing Will,manipulating Gabi,and attacking Gabi but they don't know it happened.If Adrienne had replied,"I do know EJ and what he is capable of because he did ..... to my brother Steve and .....to my niece Stephanie."I might feel differently.
If Abby in fact knows what EJ did to Steve and Stephanie,why would she ask what Adrienne knew about him or say that Adrienne doesn't know anything about him?
Because she's an idiot. Just like Sami.
Atleast you're the one dragging Sami into this time.
She was already in it just not in these specific quotes, lol.
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I just wanted to say that I've enjoyed reading the discussion (re: Abby, etc) -- since around page 12 of this thread up til now.
Thank you all

So many of you have fascinating insights and opinions about the characters and the writing -- about what the show has implied, what was swept under the rug, what was thrown in our faces, and also ... what each of you as viewers guesses/interprets.

I appreciate the multi-layered discussion.
Edited by nananana7, Feb 4 2014, 01:09 AM.
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Feb 4 2014, 12:30 AM
I just don't get why Abby is held to a higher standard than Sami who actually has had evil deeds done directly to her by EJ himself. If I can accept Sami's love for EJ in spite of all the horrific things he's done actually to her, then I can accept Abby's possible ignorance of EJ's past deeds done to the Johnson side of the family (that we see such little interaction).
Obviously I'm not esp, but speaking for myself, I mean, I think Sami's pretty stupid too, and I've never been an EJ/Sami fan and never understood how Sami got over what EJ did to her. It's just pointless to talk about it on the board all the time because EJami is one of those hot button issues that never end well in conversation. The one thing I'd add is that Sami has always, apart from this bizarre promotion she got to CEO, been played as not very smart. She has a base cunning for sure, but she is notoriously stupid in other ways, and -- I say this with a weird sort of hate bordering on love -- it's kind of part of her charm. Watching her mess up and then manage to keep on going. Sami's always been a train wreck. From what I can tell Abby is supposed to be the brightest witch of her age or something, but she just comes across like a ninny fool to me. When Sami plays with fire she owns it. Abby meanwhile is fighting her supposed better judgment all the way (and that's part of the allure of EJ/Abby -- it's so dangerous and wrong and we all know it! But she can't say no!! etc). And even if she overcomes that, the whole "My family doesn't approve" plotline is not one of my personal favorites.

Right now I feel like the guy Abby's actually a perfect match for is Brady, they both have a knack for awful sex life decisions.
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Feb 4 2014, 01:14 AM
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Feb 4 2014, 12:30 AM
I just don't get why Abby is held to a higher standard than Sami who actually has had evil deeds done directly to her by EJ himself. If I can accept Sami's love for EJ in spite of all the horrific things he's done actually to her, then I can accept Abby's possible ignorance of EJ's past deeds done to the Johnson side of the family (that we see such little interaction).
Obviously I'm not esp, but speaking for myself, I mean, I think Sami's pretty stupid too, and I've never been an EJ/Sami fan and never understood how Sami got over what EJ did to her. It's just pointless to talk about it on the board all the time because EJami is one of those hot button issues that never end well in conversation. The one thing I'd add is that Sami has always, apart from this bizarre promotion she got to CEO, been played as not very smart. She has a base cunning for sure, but she is notoriously stupid in other ways, and -- I say this with a weird sort of hate bordering on love -- it's kind of part of her charm. Watching her mess up and then manage to keep on going. Sami's always been a train wreck. From what I can tell Abby is supposed to be the brightest witch of her age or something, but she just comes across like a ninny fool to me. When Sami plays with fire she owns it. Abby meanwhile is fighting her supposed better judgment all the way (and that's part of the allure of EJ/Abby -- it's so dangerous and wrong and we all know it! But she can't say no!! etc). And even if she overcomes that, the whole "My family doesn't approve" plotline is not one of my personal favorites.

Right now I feel like the guy Abby's actually a perfect match for is Brady, they both have a knack for awful sex life decisions.
I agree. I also want to add that several of the people involved in this conversation would make and have made similar arguments about Sami when it comes to her involvement with EJ. But ultimately I don't buy that Abby is ignorant of EJ's past. She was around for a lot of it, and none of it aside from what he did to John a couple of years ago is really a secret. Not to mention, her dialogue about him being a bad man is pretty much based on it, and she's been talking about the DiMeras since THE DAY she came back to town. I also want to emphasize that while this is a prevalent issue with EJ right now, it's not solely an EJ issue. Sami is apparently "friends" with people who should be punching her in the face every chance they get. Nicole got invited to the freaking book club. Stefano eats in the pub. Kate isn't particularly hated around town. People have amnesia about Nick. Jennifer still considers Kristen a friend. Yeah, yeah it's a soap, but it would be a much better soap if they would address all these things and allow these people to have feelings about each other and conflicts with each other that actually make sense based on history. This whole, "you're a judgmental hypocrite for not smiling sweetly at a person who has MAJORLY wronged you" thing the show has had going for so long really handicaps the potential for drama.
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leragan


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Feb 4 2014, 12:03 AM
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Feb 3 2014, 11:41 PM
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Feb 3 2014, 09:44 PM
Anyone else get the feeling EJ will end up being JJ's substitute attorney?
The same thought crossed my mind and I remember seeing a spoiler about Abby being in an uncomfortable situation with EJ due to Adrienne. I think that is it.
Didn't Adrienne say the lawyer is from Justin's firm? I doubt it will be EJ. I think it's Aidan.
I don't remember the details of who she said it would be except the person is supposed to be good or something close to that? all I know is EJ popped into my mind.
I can see EJ taking on JJ's case because he is Abigail's brother and he probably wants to be a hero for the woman he respects or loves or wants to string along. Is Aiden a lawyer? I missed that part. He looks like one, but everyone who wears a suit everyday does.
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Fan of EJ+ABBY!

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Feb 4 2014, 01:00 AM
*Sighs*, why can't he get a hair cut? It isn't very flattering at the moment. Makes him and hence EJ look older than what he really is. I am at his age range, I would have totally done so. :whistle:
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Feb 3 2014, 10:10 PM
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Feb 3 2014, 08:57 PM
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Feb 3 2014, 08:51 PM
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Feb 3 2014, 05:39 PM

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I am missing something.I have not seen Adrienne do/say anything recently demonstrating actual hatred or strong reaction to him.I only saw mild general objections to Justin working with EJ not impassioned conversation begging,pleading,or arguing with his decision to go into business with someone who has kidnapped Stephanie and/or brainwashed Steve.I have watched almost every show since 2009 and I think I would have remembered if she raised any strong objections to associating with EJ.
I don't see asking your aunt to come to you if she is concerned about your behavior instead of going to your mother as if you are a teenager as acting like an ass.
She showed some pretty strong reactions to him after his stupid empty threat to her last summer.

But even if she didn't, bad writing, lack of character motivation, and inconsistency last summer doesn't excuse bad writing, lack of character motivation, and inconsistency now.
Adrienne actually raised really big objections about him working with EJ. I remember at least two really big fights between her and Justin. They were on the outs for awhile because of it.
But not even once they had Adrianne mention what ej did to Steve and they try sell Adrianne problem was with more to do to Sami than ej.and Justin right and Adrianne wrong.it pretty much the entire storyline Justin and sonny treated Adrianne as unreasonable
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Feb 4 2014, 12:04 AM
Flirty/smitten EJ and Abby.So cute.Now,off to the shower.Supergirl,I am starting to agree with you.I really want to know how EJ and Abby get out of the shower without Sami finding out they were both in it.Also starting to wonder how Abby and EJ get from Sonny/Will/Gabi apartment and the mansion to the shower.
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Feb 4 2014, 12:04 AM
Love the fact that Nick is outsmarting Kate,EJ,and Sami who have been scheming a lot longer than he.Every conversation with anyone has a needle in it somewhere.I hope he somehow gets to stay in Salem.I really love BB as Nick.
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Feb 4 2014, 12:15 AM
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Feb 4 2014, 12:01 AM
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Feb 3 2014, 11:11 PM
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Feb 3 2014, 11:01 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepExcuse me, Aunt Adrienne, what do you know about him? You don't know anything about him so why don't you keep an open mind the way my parents have taught me . . .
Because the show wants to pretend it didn't happen. But Abby was there and, in fact, expressed sympathy to Kayla when Steve was in the mental hospital. It's impossible for me to believe she wasn't told the whole story by Stephanie if nobody else.
Abby might know the what but not who was involved.If you don't have an on screen conversation where EJ's name was specifically mentioned between Abby and Kayla or Abby and Stephanie or have the character mention what they were told by another character,you don't know that Abby actually knows EJ's role in what happened to Steve and/or Stephanie.
You would think that someone would have told Maggie,Julie,Jennifer,or Abby about Nick's homophobia and blackmailing of Will but based on the fact that none of them have said a word about either,I don't think they were told.
And, once again, shitty storytelling and plot holes in one story do not excuse them in another. I certainly agree that Julie, Maggie, and Hope should know whether they do or not. And if they don't know, that's just another piece of crap writing which only proves my point about the failure of the writers to tell the story. My criticism is the same either way. If Abby knows, she's being an ass. If she doesn't know, then she's clearly stupid. Either way, it makes me think the character kind of sucks.
How is she stupid for not knowing something she has not been shown to have been told? I would agree that the writers might be stupid for not writing that she was told but I don't see the character is stupid because she does not know something the writers have not had other characters tell her.Hope,Julie,Maggie,Abby,and Jennifer are not stupid because no one told them about Nick's homophobia and blackmailing of Will.I don't agree that Abby is stupid because Steve.Kayla,Stephanie,and Adrienne are not shown to have told her what EJ did to them.
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Feb 4 2014, 12:30 AM
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Feb 4 2014, 12:15 AM
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Feb 4 2014, 12:01 AM
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Feb 3 2014, 11:11 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepExcuse me, Aunt Adrienne, what do you know about him? You don't know anything about him so why don't you keep an open mind the way my parents have taught me . . .
Abby might know the what but not who was involved.If you don't have an on screen conversation where EJ's name was specifically mentioned between Abby and Kayla or Abby and Stephanie or have the character mention what they were told by another character,you don't know that Abby actually knows EJ's role in what happened to Steve and/or Stephanie.
You would think that someone would have told Maggie,Julie,Jennifer,or Abby about Nick's homophobia and blackmailing of Will but based on the fact that none of them have said a word about either,I don't think they were told.
And, once again, shitty storytelling and plot holes in one story do not excuse them in another. I certainly agree that Julie, Maggie, and Hope should know whether they do or not. And if they don't know, that's just another piece of crap writing which only proves my point about the failure of the writers to tell the story. My criticism is the same either way. If Abby knows, she's being an ass. If she doesn't know, then she's clearly stupid. Either way, it makes me think the character kind of sucks.
I think the problem is when characters are no longer on the show the writers act as if they never existed .
For example since Steve & Stephanie are no longer in Salem whatever happened to them is ignored.
They did the same thing when Kristen returned to Salem & Jen was her BFF despite what Kristen did to
Laura and the whole Peter thing was also ignored.
It is a stupid move by the writers because the stories make no sense since the audience knows what really happened.
I don't think the writers see it as a problem because quite a few viewers,myself included,do not know what happened in the past when the characters were on.I watched the show off an on in a very superficial way before 2009 so a lot of the information about the characters is new even though I knew of their existence.Because of that its easier for me to enjoy the show as it is currently being written.DR poster are way different from a lot of other sites I see.When you have people posting who remember sheets and wardrobe from ten to twenty years ago,you have a high bar to clear in keeping characters consistent.I bet there are quite a few posters here who know the show and its characters as well as or better than KC.
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lysie
Feb 4 2014, 12:43 AM
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Feb 3 2014, 11:50 PM
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Feb 3 2014, 11:05 PM
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Feb 3 2014, 11:01 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepExcuse me, Aunt Adrienne, what do you know about him? You don't know anything about him so why don't you keep an open mind the way my parents have taught me . . .
Because she's an idiot. Just like Sami.
Atleast you're the one dragging Sami into this time.
She was already in it just not in these specific quotes, lol.
Rats!One uppped again.:)
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With character like ej with stuff he done the only person he can friends it Stefano .even lexie ej beloved sister he pretty much responsibe for death since he order to take care herand that put her in tunnels which cause years later to her cancer despite the writers try to rewriting it make it been Andre or Stefano which pretty impossible at the time.
Look at ej close family without Stefano if you consider Sami and the kids as ej family
Sami the woman he raped let her think her baby is dead let psyco to pretend to be husband and I can go on about Sami. But this the highlights of the worse he done to Sami
Johny-ej son that born from the rape.told in past to crying Johnny his mom does not love him
Sydney-his daughter he kidnapped her and let mom think she dead
Alliehis fiance daughter.he used allie to the all fake rafe thing and put her in danger with fake rafe
Will-his fiance son.wrecking lucas and sami relationship with will many years want parents to together that should have ej in Will hate list.aside of all the bad stuff done to Sami. There also of ej trying to kill Lucas.ej threaten more than once to hurt will to Sami and even consider to do something to will until Stefano talk him out of it.will hate ej enough to shoot him but will hate to ej now disappeared
And they other people in Sami family ej hurt that would add up
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Feb 4 2014, 01:00 AM
If EJ keeps this up he is going to end up in a meeting with Maggie,Brady,and Theresa.
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Feb 4 2014, 03:07 AM
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Feb 4 2014, 01:00 AM
If EJ keeps this up he is going to end up in a meeting with Maggie,Brady,and Theresa.
with everything...errr...everyone he has to deal with, can you blame him? ;)
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Feb 4 2014, 01:51 AM
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Feb 3 2014, 11:50 PM
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Feb 3 2014, 11:41 PM

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Didn't Adrienne say the lawyer is from Justin's firm? I doubt it will be EJ. I think it's Aidan.
I don't remember the details of who she said it would be except the person is supposed to be good or something close to that? all I know is EJ popped into my mind.
I can see EJ taking on JJ's case because he is Abigail's brother and he probably wants to be a hero for the woman he respects or loves or wants to string along. Is Aiden a lawyer? I missed that part. He looks like one, but everyone who wears a suit everyday does.
Welcome to the discussion.I laughed at the everyone who wears a suit everyday looks like a lawyer because it's true.They are lawyers or some kind of business tycoon.
There is so much new stuff going on I can't recall clearly.I think a spoiler before he showed up on screen indicated that Aiden is a lawyer.Makes sense that they would make him an attorney so there would more opportunites for contact/conflict given that Hope is a police officer.
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Feb 4 2014, 03:21 AM
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Feb 4 2014, 03:07 AM
Supergirlx2
Feb 4 2014, 01:00 AM
If EJ keeps this up he is going to end up in a meeting with Maggie,Brady,and Theresa.
with everything...errr...everyone he has to deal with, can you blame him? ;)
Okay,what is up today? Its late (early?) but everyone has a great comeback.:)
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Feb 4 2014, 02:22 AM
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Feb 4 2014, 01:00 AM
*Sighs*, why can't he get a hair cut? It isn't very flattering at the moment. Makes him and hence EJ look older than what he really is. I am at his age range, I would have totally done so. :whistle:
He needs to keep it long.Abby needs something to grip.It like her thing.Everytime they kiss she goes straight for the hair and the belt buckle.
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Feb 4 2014, 12:30 AM
If I can accept Sami's love for EJ in spite of all the horrific things he's done actually to her, then I can accept Abby's possible ignorance of EJ's past deeds done to the Johnson side of the family (that we see such little interaction).
That might work for you, but many of us can't accept either, and therein lies the problem.
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