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S loves EJ
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Feb 4 2014, 04:50 AM
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Hmmm... seems like lots of foreshadowing in these Ejabby scenes today.
In what way??! So I am desperate over here....still stuck in the seventh circle of NYC Storm Update hell over here.
EJ's big concern was keeping the affair a secret and essentially he told her to stop talking about him. Abby got offended and made a comment about his big ego. Then she made a comment before she left about "if this is over" and EJ responded "If?" As in why is is there an "if?" Let's just say, EJ seemed focused on covering up the affair, while Abby seemed focused on EJ.
Spoiler: click to toggle I agree that EJ wanted to make sure the affair didnīt came out but if EJ wanted the affair to be over he should let Abby join him in the shower.
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If I can accept Sami's love for EJ in spite of all the horrific things he's done actually to her, then I can accept Abby's possible ignorance of EJ's past deeds done to the Johnson side of the family (that we see such little interaction).
That might work for you, but many of us can't accept either, and therein lies the problem.
Do you have a problem with Lumi being together despite that Sami lied about Willīs paternity and about Lucas hitting Will, and Lucas went along with Kateīs plan to frame Sami for francoīs murder. There are more reasons why Lumi shouldnīt be together than Ejabby. I suppose they could find a woman for EJ who isnīt related to anyone EJ hurt but EJ need to have chemistry with the woman too which may not be that easy to find and Ejabby have off the chart chemistry, so Abby being related to Steve and Stefanie seems like a tiny detail especially compared to Ejamiīs history. I suppose they could have Adrienne brought up EJīs history with the Johnnsons but then maybe Abby would have looked stupid for still wanting him. Sometimes you shouldnīt let the past stand in the way of new fresh storylines.
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Feb 4 2014, 04:53 AM
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Also, it's no secret that I don't really care for Blake Berris as an actor. I've always maintained that he's only just "okay" at best and that there are much better actors on the show. But I've never called him "campy" before. Since Nick's return from the dead (and especially on Friday and Monday's episodes), Blake has been very campy.
I can't stand campy acting in soaps, so this is making me hate his presence on the show even more than I did before.
What in the world does 'campy' mean? I think BB is a great actor.
IDK what it officially means but think Passions. Ridiculous, corny, OTT. Basically, yes. This is a pretty good definition of it, if you want one (most other definitions seem to hint that "campiness" is somehow synonymous with "gay" characteristics, something that I vehemently object to), but in essence, it's a reference to something (in this case, a style of acting) that is exaggerated, over-the-top, and showy. People who aren't fans of soap operas in general often associate them with campy, bad acting, so it always annoys me when I see that sort of thing on soaps.
Blake Berris isn't playing his scenes straight -- all of his lines (especially on Friday and Monday's episodes, as I said earlier) are being delivered in this very exaggerated, "look at me!" way, complete with over-the-top gestures and facial expressions that make it seem like he isn't taking anything that is happening in the scenes seriously at all. His scenes and dialogue do not in any way warrant the behavior that he is exhibiting on-screen, IMO. Despite any other issues that I might have with Blake as an actor or Nick as a character (and as I'm sure that everyone can tell, I have many), I have never before felt like Blake was intentionally being silly or playing his scenes for laughs, and now it suddenly feels like he is, which I don't appreciate.
James Scott can also be a very campy actor at times, although to his credit, he has dialed back on that a lot lately (I still think that he's a terrible actor, but I usually no longer think that because of his campiness). Drake Hogestyn can be campy at times. Eileen Davidson's Susan is a very campy character, but at least in that case, she's meant to be. Matt Ashford's most recent stints as Jack have had a lot of campy elements, but again, the writing usually requires him to act that way, so in those cases, I do give the actors a bit of a break. Camila Banus has been a bit campy lately, with all of Gabi's panicked reactions to every little thing that occurs, but again, that's how her character is meant to be acting right now. Susan Seaforth Hayes is perhaps the worst offender of campy acting in the entire cast, past or present, and that was never more apparent than during her most recent stint on the show, when she was extremely over-the-top in those scenes at the christening -- "WAIT! NICK! DON'T GOOOOO!" -- and I did criticize her last week for the same thing that I'm criticizing Blake for now.
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Feb 4 2014, 05:29 AM
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If I can accept Sami's love for EJ in spite of all the horrific things he's done actually to her, then I can accept Abby's possible ignorance of EJ's past deeds done to the Johnson side of the family (that we see such little interaction).
That might work for you, but many of us can't accept either, and therein lies the problem.
Do you have a problem with Lumi being together despite that Sami lied about Willīs paternity and about Lucas hitting Will, and Lucas went along with Kateīs plan to frame Sami for francoīs murder. There are more reasons why Lumi shouldnīt be together than Ejabby. If Lucas and Sami were actually together at the moment, and if they had actually done things to each other that were even remotely as bad as the things that E.J. has done to Sami's family and Abby's family, and if that history had actually been swept under the rug instead of being dealt with, then sure, I'd have the same complaints about it that I have about E.J. and Sami and E.J. and Abby's so-called relationships.
But Lucas and Sami aren't together, and they haven't actually done things to each other that are even remotely as bad as the things that E.J. has done to Sami's family and Abby's family, and that history hasn't actually been swept under the rug instead of being dealt with (since it doesn't actually exist), so it's a pointless debate.
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Feb 4 2014, 06:19 AM
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- S loves EJ
- Feb 4 2014, 04:50 AM
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If I can accept Sami's love for EJ in spite of all the horrific things he's done actually to her, then I can accept Abby's possible ignorance of EJ's past deeds done to the Johnson side of the family (that we see such little interaction).
That might work for you, but many of us can't accept either, and therein lies the problem.
Do you have a problem with Lumi being together despite that Sami lied about Willīs paternity and about Lucas hitting Will, and Lucas went along with Kateīs plan to frame Sami for francoīs murder. There are more reasons why Lumi shouldnīt be together than Ejabby. I suppose they could find a woman for EJ who isnīt related to anyone EJ hurt but EJ need to have chemistry with the woman too which may not be that easy to find and Ejabby have off the chart chemistry, so Abby being related to Steve and Stefanie seems like a tiny detail especially compared to Ejamiīs history. I suppose they could have Adrienne brought up EJīs history with the Johnnsons but then maybe Abby would have looked stupid for still wanting him. Sometimes you shouldnīt let the past stand in the way of new fresh storylines. Also, re: the bolded: "off-the-charts chemistry" (which, I will point out, is completely subjective -- I personally don't think that James Scott has "off-the-charts chemistry" with anyone, since I don't like him) should never be used as an excuse to throw logic out the window. Many people believed that Chandler Massey and James Scott had "off-the-charts chemistry" (excluding me) and that Chandler and Casey Deidrick had "off-the-charts chemistry" (including me, although I probably wouldn't have described it as "off-the-charts"), but that didn't mean that it would have made sense for the writers to suddenly turn E.J. or Chad gay simply to take advantage of that chemistry.
If the writers want to explore "fresh new storylines", fine, but they should do so in a logical, organic way instead of employing plot contrivance after plot contrivance to achieve their goals. E.J. and Abby's relationship, from start to present day, has been one plot contrivance after another, and while some people are able to just accept that and roll with it, others (including me) simply find it annoying and ridiculous. There is absolutely nothing stopping the writers from writing a storyline for E.J. and Abby -- or E.J. and Sami, for that matter -- that gives them a relationship while also dealing with their history -- both direct (E.J. and Sami) and indirect (E.J. and Abby) -- in a way that makes sense -- or at least tries to make sense -- to long-term viewers and anyone else who bothers to read up on the history of each character, but the writers have just never bothered to take the time to do so (with E.J. and Sami, anyway, and I have not yet seen anything that makes me believe that they'll do a better job with E.J. and Abby). Hell, at this point, if a viewer had just started watching the show last year and didn't know anything about Jack or E.J. beyond what the show has said about both characters during that time, they'd probably think that Jack was a worse man than E.J. is, because the show has at least spent some time dealing with Jack's sins recently, whereas with E.J., it's basically just "people hate him because he's a DiMera".
If the writers aren't going to respect their characters' histories and instead expect us to just forget about those histories, then they might as well just change to some sort of telenovela/choose-your-own-adventure hybrid where the actors play completely different characters every three months or so based on the whims of "chemistry" and "plot requirements" instead of sticking to the same characters all of the time and being "burdened" with those characters' long, storied histories.
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Feb 4 2014, 06:28 AM
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- S loves EJ
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If I can accept Sami's love for EJ in spite of all the horrific things he's done actually to her, then I can accept Abby's possible ignorance of EJ's past deeds done to the Johnson side of the family (that we see such little interaction).
That might work for you, but many of us can't accept either, and therein lies the problem.
Do you have a problem with Lumi being together despite that Sami lied about Willīs paternity and about Lucas hitting Will, and Lucas went along with Kateīs plan to frame Sami for francoīs murder. There are more reasons why Lumi shouldnīt be together than Ejabby. If Lucas and Sami were actually together at the moment, and if they had actually done things to each other that were even remotely as bad as the things that E.J. has done to Sami's family and Abby's family, and if that history had actually been swept under the rug instead of being dealt with, then sure, I'd have the same complaints about it that I have about E.J. and Sami and E.J. and Abby's so-called relationships. But Lucas and Sami aren't together, and they haven't actually done things to each other that are even remotely as bad as the things that E.J. has done to Sami's family and Abby's family, and that history hasn't actually been swept under the rug instead of being dealt with (since it doesn't actually exist), so it's a pointless debate.
We shouldnīt start some big debate about it since it would just derail the thread, and I know Ejamiīs history is a lot worse than Lumiīs but I donīt think Lumiīs are perfect either. When I started watching all I got from them was fighting over Will and hating each other not that I have a problem with them being paired I have liked them as a couple.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YfJdP09GUU
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Feb 4 2014, 08:40 AM
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If I can accept Sami's love for EJ in spite of all the horrific things he's done actually to her, then I can accept Abby's possible ignorance of EJ's past deeds done to the Johnson side of the family (that we see such little interaction).
That might work for you, but many of us can't accept either, and therein lies the problem.
Do you have a problem with Lumi being together despite that Sami lied about Willīs paternity and about Lucas hitting Will, and Lucas went along with Kateīs plan to frame Sami for francoīs murder. There are more reasons why Lumi shouldnīt be together than Ejabby. I suppose they could find a woman for EJ who isnīt related to anyone EJ hurt but EJ need to have chemistry with the woman too which may not be that easy to find and Ejabby have off the chart chemistry, so Abby being related to Steve and Stefanie seems like a tiny detail especially compared to Ejamiīs history. I suppose they could have Adrienne brought up EJīs history with the Johnnsons but then maybe Abby would have looked stupid for still wanting him. Sometimes you shouldnīt let the past stand in the way of new fresh storylines.
Also, re: the bolded: "off-the-charts chemistry" (which, I will point out, is completely subjective -- I personally don't think that James Scott has "off-the-charts chemistry" with anyone, since I don't like him) should never be used as an excuse to throw logic out the window. Many people believed that Chandler Massey and James Scott had "off-the-charts chemistry" (excluding me) and that Chandler and Casey Deidrick had "off-the-charts chemistry" (including me, although I probably wouldn't have described it as "off-the-charts"), but that didn't mean that it would have made sense for the writers to suddenly turn E.J. or Chad gay simply to take advantage of that chemistry. If the writers want to explore "fresh new storylines", fine, but they should do so in a logical, organic way instead of employing plot contrivance after plot contrivance to achieve their goals. E.J. and Abby's relationship, from start to present day, has been one plot contrivance after another, and while some people are able to just accept that and roll with it, others (including me) simply find it annoying and ridiculous. There is absolutely nothing stopping the writers from writing a storyline for E.J. and Abby -- or E.J. and Sami, for that matter -- that gives them a relationship while also dealing with their history -- both direct (E.J. and Sami) and indirect (E.J. and Abby) -- in a way that makes sense -- or at least tries to make sense -- to long-term viewers and anyone else who bothers to read up on the history of each character, but the writers have just never bothered to take the time to do so (with E.J. and Sami, anyway, and I have not yet seen anything that makes me believe that they'll do a better job with E.J. and Abby). Hell, at this point, if a viewer had just started watching the show last year and didn't know anything about Jack or E.J. beyond what the show has said about both characters during that time, they'd probably think that Jack was a worse man than E.J. is, because the show has at least spent some time dealing with Jack's sins recently, whereas with E.J., it's basically just "people hate him because he's a DiMera". If the writers aren't going to respect their characters' histories and instead expect us to just forget about those histories, then they might as well just change to some sort of telenovela/choose-your-own-adventure hybrid where the actors play completely different characters every three months or so based on the whims of "chemistry" and "plot requirements" instead of sticking to the same characters all of the time and being "burdened" with those characters' long, storied histories.
I do think they could have done a better job dealing with Ejamiīs past and Iīm not oppose to Ejabby dealing with EJīs crimes against the Johnssons, but Iīm not sure if itīs possible without doing a redemption story for EJ, and I donīt think he is a character that should be redeemed he works best as a villain.
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Feb 4 2014, 10:50 AM
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I don't remember the details of who she said it would be except the person is supposed to be good or something close to that? all I know is EJ popped into my mind.
I can see EJ taking on JJ's case because he is Abigail's brother and he probably wants to be a hero for the woman he respects or loves or wants to string along. Is Aiden a lawyer? I missed that part. He looks like one, but everyone who wears a suit everyday does.
Welcome to the discussion.I laughed at the everyone who wears a suit everyday looks like a lawyer because it's true.They are lawyers or some kind of business tycoon. There is so much new stuff going on I can't recall clearly.I think a spoiler before he showed up on screen indicated that Aiden is a lawyer.Makes sense that they would make him an attorney so there would more opportunites for contact/conflict given that Hope is a police officer. I think it was the casting call that indicated that Aiden's a lawyer. It hasn't been confirmed on screen yet. But there are only so many soap-relevant jobs that result in men running around in suits.
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Feb 4 2014, 10:51 AM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepeither, and therein lies the problem.
Do you have a problem with Lumi being together despite that Sami lied about Willīs paternity and about Lucas hitting Will, and Lucas went along with Kateīs plan to frame Sami for francoīs murder. There are more reasons why Lumi shouldnīt be together than Ejabby. If Lucas and Sami were actually together at the moment, and if they had actually done things to each other that were even remotely as bad as the things that E.J. has done to Sami's family and Abby's family, and if that history had actually been swept under the rug instead of being dealt with, then sure, I'd have the same complaints about it that I have about E.J. and Sami and E.J. and Abby's so-called relationships. But Lucas and Sami aren't together, and they haven't actually done things to each other that are even remotely as bad as the things that E.J. has done to Sami's family and Abby's family, and that history hasn't actually been swept under the rug instead of being dealt with (since it doesn't actually exist), so it's a pointless debate.
We shouldnīt start some big debate about it since it would just derail the thread, and I know Ejamiīs history is a lot worse than Lumiīs but I donīt think Lumiīs are perfect either. When I started watching all I got from them was fighting over Will and hating each other not that I have a problem with them being paired I have liked them as a couple. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YfJdP09GUU Nobody said that Lumi's history was perfect. That's the point, they didn't laugh over what they did to each other. They dealt with it for ten years before they forgave. That's what made their forgiveness believable, it gave it a depth that was meaningful.
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Feb 4 2014, 10:58 AM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepExcuse me, Aunt Adrienne, what do you know about him? You don't know anything about him so why don't you keep an open mind the way my parents have taught me . . .
Abby might know the what but not who was involved.If you don't have an on screen conversation where EJ's name was specifically mentioned between Abby and Kayla or Abby and Stephanie or have the character mention what they were told by another character,you don't know that Abby actually knows EJ's role in what happened to Steve and/or Stephanie. You would think that someone would have told Maggie,Julie,Jennifer,or Abby about Nick's homophobia and blackmailing of Will but based on the fact that none of them have said a word about either,I don't think they were told.
And, once again, shitty storytelling and plot holes in one story do not excuse them in another. I certainly agree that Julie, Maggie, and Hope should know whether they do or not. And if they don't know, that's just another piece of crap writing which only proves my point about the failure of the writers to tell the story. My criticism is the same either way. If Abby knows, she's being an ass. If she doesn't know, then she's clearly stupid. Either way, it makes me think the character kind of sucks.
Such different opinions. This whole "does Abby know or not know" doesn't really bother me at all. Do I wish the show would approach it? yes. But the show has always dropped the ball in regards to diving into past characters evil evil evil deeds. At least in the last 10 years or more. Ej isn't the first character they did this with, I remember Stephanie befriended Philip almost immediately without the slightest concern he terrorized her cousin Shawn (and Belle) or Victor's horrific treatment of the Johnsons. I just don't get why Abby is held to a higher standard than Sami who actually has had evil deeds done directly to her by EJ himself. If I can accept Sami's love for EJ in spite of all the horrific things he's done actually to her, then I can accept Abby's possible ignorance of EJ's past deeds done to the Johnson side of the family (that we see such little interaction). The whole reason I actually am drawn to Abby and EJ isnt because of their chemistry, it's the fact that EJ and Abby have had very little interaction between each other. All this time in Salem, all these years the characters have been on canvas, they have had no interaction other than civil remarks at social gatherings. You can take their story pretty much anywhere you want it to go as well pit EJ up with a new family (the Hortons). Will Abby become disillusioned with EJ as she gets to know him? Most probably. I'm curious to see how that goes. Or maybe they will take Abigail to the dark side which certainly would shake up the Hortons a bit. I see many more possibilities than a simple a redemption story (and with EJ, it can't be simple). If you break up Ejami, which now that AS is leaving you have to, pairing EJ back with Nicole won't work for me. They ruined that with all the shit he's done to her including making her freaking scared to death of him. Is EJ capable of treating a woman right? I dont know. He hasn't done that for his current relationships but I am curious to see if the Ejabby pairing will work. And finally, Ive said it before and say it again. I do not think Ejabby are anything like J/J. Jack and EJ are miles apart, even when Jack was his worst, he was never as despicable as EJ is at his worst. Honestly, as I said before, if the show wants to pretend certain things never happened, then so be it. But they can't do that AND throw it in my face at the same time. If Abby's smackdown of Adrienne had been limited to Adrienne talking to Jennifer, I could have lived with that and I would have never had said anything. What upsets me is that they pretend nothing happened and then have characters it actually happened to get chewed out for not liking the person who did those things that apparently we have to pretend didn't happen. It drives me crazy and I am so very thankful that at least MBE is allowed to play Kayla's utter disdain for EJ, even if we never mention why that is. So, yes, the show plays fast and loose with history. But I don't think we saw Stephanie telling Shawn D. that he didn't know anything about Philip and who was he to judge anyway. That's the difference and that's what quite frankly pisses me off.
As for Sami being judged differently than Abby, it's because it's Sami. She's always been a selfish, self-absorbed, semi psychopathic person anyway. Of course what she wants is more important than what her family has been through - it certainly was when she was putting them through her own brand of hell. And I've criticized this show plenty of times for putting EJ and Sami together despite the crimes committed against each other.
But Abby is not supposed to be selfish, self-absorbed or semi psychopathic. And if that is the way they are going, then I'll probably come to hate her just as much as I hate Sami now. Or they could actually tell the story and acknowledge history and, just maybe, the whole thing might be interesting and make sense. But I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen.
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Feb 4 2014, 11:09 AM
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Ej isn't the first character they did this with, I remember Stephanie befriended Philip almost immediately without the slightest concern he terrorized her cousin Shawn (and Belle) or Victor's horrific treatment of the Johnsons. I dont consider Adrienne a victim as much as an indirect victim. If Kayla had tried to talk to Abigail about Ej, and Abigail asked what she knew of EJ, she could damn well tell her as she's actually a victim herself. I think that was a missed opportunity.
And considering Adriennes tirade several months ago with her OTT reactions to Sonny dating Will because he's Sami's son, I really don't have a problem with Abby dismissing Adrienne's opinion on this.
The real problem with the show is EJ is no longer seen as such a despicable guy. Hell he was mayor of the town for awhile. So it's difficult to judge what Abigail knows or doesn't know. And my point is, even if she had heard most of it, I think it's perfectly reasonable for her to try to make her own decision about himself and not be persuaded by other people's opinions. Jennifer was like that too (and I swear that is the only comparison I would make between them and J/J).
Abigail is naive and the show plus KM and JS have made a point to say that several times. And she's being naive here too but I don't think it's a huge fault to hold against her for an extended period of time, especially when other characters (not just Sami) have had more to chew on about EJ but never have.
What I was disappointed in with Abigail was a long time when she realized EJ had blackmailed Chad to move back into the Dimansion. I was hoping she would be disgusted to some extent over that, yes she was angry with Chad but the fact EJ used Chads own mistake to blackmail him should show her what kind of person he's capable of being. When the show dropped that ball, then I knew most of EJs history wouldn't be a problem, at least for a while.
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Okay, I swear I am not talking about this anymore after this post.
I don't consider Adrienne an indirect victim because she was in that mental hospital, trying to rescue Steve and EJ made some very direct threats to her. But even without that, I find it a bit hard to accept that because EJ only did things to her brother, she doesn't have the right to have a negative opinion of the guy.
As for Abby forming her own opinions, like Jen, there is a major, major difference. Jen acknowledged what Jack had done and was totally wary of him for quite a while. I am quite certain that had Jack failed to express any remorse for his bad deeds, the Jack/Jen relationship would not have been what it was. But, if Abby is truly aware of his past and doesn't care, that's not exactly an endorsement of her character for me.
And yes I know it is the writing that is the problem. I get it. Sometimes it doesn't bother me all that much (or more precisely I don't care enough to be bothered) and sometimes it does. This time it did.
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If Lucas and Sami were actually together at the moment, and if they had actually done things to each other that were even remotely as bad as the things that E.J. has done to Sami's family and Abby's family, and if that history had actually been swept under the rug instead of being dealt with, then sure, I'd have the same complaints about it that I have about E.J. and Sami and E.J. and Abby's so-called relationships. But Lucas and Sami aren't together, and they haven't actually done things to each other that are even remotely as bad as the things that E.J. has done to Sami's family and Abby's family, and that history hasn't actually been swept under the rug instead of being dealt with (since it doesn't actually exist), so it's a pointless debate.
We shouldnīt start some big debate about it since it would just derail the thread, and I know Ejamiīs history is a lot worse than Lumiīs but I donīt think Lumiīs are perfect either. When I started watching all I got from them was fighting over Will and hating each other not that I have a problem with them being paired I have liked them as a couple. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YfJdP09GUU
Nobody said that Lumi's history was perfect. That's the point, they didn't laugh over what they did to each other. They dealt with it for ten years before they forgave. That's what made their forgiveness believable, it gave it a depth that was meaningful.
It sounded like someone did to me. Anyway when Lumi was written as enemies I didnīt see them dealing with what they did to one an other I donīt think the show saw them as a future love couple at the time. Someone else told me before that Lumi dealt with their past the year before putting them together which might be true but I donīt have any memory of it all I remember is that I was very suprised when they put Lumi together and my first reaction was - What those two hate each other, so either the show did a poorly job dealing with it or I didnīt pay enough attention to it since I didnīt like Lucas at the time even if I like him now.
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Feb 4 2014, 11:41 AM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepExcuse me, Aunt Adrienne, what do you know about him? You don't know anything about him so why don't you keep an open mind the way my parents have taught me . . .
And, once again, shitty storytelling and plot holes in one story do not excuse them in another. I certainly agree that Julie, Maggie, and Hope should know whether they do or not. And if they don't know, that's just another piece of crap writing which only proves my point about the failure of the writers to tell the story. My criticism is the same either way. If Abby knows, she's being an ass. If she doesn't know, then she's clearly stupid. Either way, it makes me think the character kind of sucks.
Such different opinions. This whole "does Abby know or not know" doesn't really bother me at all. Do I wish the show would approach it? yes. But the show has always dropped the ball in regards to diving into past characters evil evil evil deeds. At least in the last 10 years or more. Ej isn't the first character they did this with, I remember Stephanie befriended Philip almost immediately without the slightest concern he terrorized her cousin Shawn (and Belle) or Victor's horrific treatment of the Johnsons. I just don't get why Abby is held to a higher standard than Sami who actually has had evil deeds done directly to her by EJ himself. If I can accept Sami's love for EJ in spite of all the horrific things he's done actually to her, then I can accept Abby's possible ignorance of EJ's past deeds done to the Johnson side of the family (that we see such little interaction). The whole reason I actually am drawn to Abby and EJ isnt because of their chemistry, it's the fact that EJ and Abby have had very little interaction between each other. All this time in Salem, all these years the characters have been on canvas, they have had no interaction other than civil remarks at social gatherings. You can take their story pretty much anywhere you want it to go as well pit EJ up with a new family (the Hortons). Will Abby become disillusioned with EJ as she gets to know him? Most probably. I'm curious to see how that goes. Or maybe they will take Abigail to the dark side which certainly would shake up the Hortons a bit. I see many more possibilities than a simple a redemption story (and with EJ, it can't be simple). If you break up Ejami, which now that AS is leaving you have to, pairing EJ back with Nicole won't work for me. They ruined that with all the shit he's done to her including making her freaking scared to death of him. Is EJ capable of treating a woman right? I dont know. He hasn't done that for his current relationships but I am curious to see if the Ejabby pairing will work. And finally, Ive said it before and say it again. I do not think Ejabby are anything like J/J. Jack and EJ are miles apart, even when Jack was his worst, he was never as despicable as EJ is at his worst.
Honestly, as I said before, if the show wants to pretend certain things never happened, then so be it. But they can't do that AND throw it in my face at the same time. If Abby's smackdown of Adrienne had been limited to Adrienne talking to Jennifer, I could have lived with that and I would have never had said anything. What upsets me is that they pretend nothing happened and then have characters it actually happened to get chewed out for not liking the person who did those things that apparently we have to pretend didn't happen. It drives me crazy and I am so very thankful that at least MBE is allowed to play Kayla's utter disdain for EJ, even if we never mention why that is. So, yes, the show plays fast and loose with history. But I don't think we saw Stephanie telling Shawn D. that he didn't know anything about Philip and who was he to judge anyway. That's the difference and that's what quite frankly pisses me off. As for Sami being judged differently than Abby, it's because it's Sami. She's always been a selfish, self-absorbed, semi psychopathic person anyway. Of course what she wants is more important than what her family has been through - it certainly was when she was putting them through her own brand of hell. And I've criticized this show plenty of times for putting EJ and Sami together despite the crimes committed against each other. But Abby is not supposed to be selfish, self-absorbed or semi psychopathic. And if that is the way they are going, then I'll probably come to hate her just as much as I hate Sami now. Or they could actually tell the story and acknowledge history and, just maybe, the whole thing might be interesting and make sense. But I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen. It was way worse when they had smackdown by Justin and sonny to Adrianne last year They no reason for Adrianne not tell her son and husband.and Abby despite it seem weak may not what ej done she been on her last months on Salem when ej done his bad stuff but she left before everyone one in Salem.Abby never was really to Johnson side in the family and parent were in London. Last year ej smackdown to hope of what Nick did to will and while they did not let hope fight back in dialogue and tired to paint ej as wrongly judged by the police.I never like most of ej and Lucas scences because ej can bring stuff up but not lucas like in 2012 ej brought lucas being China while lucas could not bring fake rafe that put allie in danger.Will smackdown to lucas about ej and pretty bad how will gush about ej and compared lucas is like Stefano in his talk to others. And about Sami being selfish it more worse of her forgetting what ej done to her as someone that self absorbed that does not care about bad stuff to him it not add up
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Did anyone else notice that Abby's office (or whoever's office it was that EJabby had their chat in) was the hospital room re-dressed? I guess we should be glad it wasn't the standard blue wall room, but honestly, some of these walls have been used for years. If there isn't enough money in the budget to create new rooms, can they at least re-shuffle the walls or something to make the rooms look less similar/identical?
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Did anyone else notice that Abby's office (or whoever's office it was that EJabby had their chat in) was the hospital room re-dressed? I guess we should be glad it wasn't the standard blue wall room, but honestly, some of these walls have been used for years. If there isn't enough money in the budget to create new rooms, can they at least re-shuffle the walls or something to make the rooms look less similar/identical? Me and my superficial viewing.When EJ and Abby are on my screen,the last thing I am looking at are room walls but I think you already know this based on my standing gif requests.
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If Lucas and Sami were actually together at the moment, and if they had actually done things to each other that were even remotely as bad as the things that E.J. has done to Sami's family and Abby's family, and if that history had actually been swept under the rug instead of being dealt with, then sure, I'd have the same complaints about it that I have about E.J. and Sami and E.J. and Abby's so-called relationships. But Lucas and Sami aren't together, and they haven't actually done things to each other that are even remotely as bad as the things that E.J. has done to Sami's family and Abby's family, and that history hasn't actually been swept under the rug instead of being dealt with (since it doesn't actually exist), so it's a pointless debate.
We shouldnīt start some big debate about it since it would just derail the thread, and I know Ejamiīs history is a lot worse than Lumiīs but I donīt think Lumiīs are perfect either. When I started watching all I got from them was fighting over Will and hating each other not that I have a problem with them being paired I have liked them as a couple. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YfJdP09GUU
Nobody said that Lumi's history was perfect. That's the point, they didn't laugh over what they did to each other. They dealt with it for ten years before they forgave. That's what made their forgiveness believable, it gave it a depth that was meaningful. BINGO...it was all out on the table..they called everything out...Lucas would point it out, Sami would point it out..heck Will would point it out....there was never a time that something in their history wasn't brought up...even when they hated one another, even when they became friendly later on and even after they got back together.....there issues where dealt with because we saw them deal with them....real time, on our screen....and to this day the BIGGEST Issue is the one they almost tackled but never really got over...their trust issues was what broke them.
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepeitherIf Lucas and Sami were actually together at the moment, and if they had actually done things to each other that were even remotely as bad as the things that E.J. has done to Sami's family and Abby's family, and if that history had actually been swept under the rug instead of being dealt with, then sure, I'd have the same complaints about it that I have about E.J. and Sami and E.J. and Abby's so-called relationships.
But Lucas and Sami aren't together, and they haven't actually done things to each other that are even remotely as bad as the things that E.J. has done to Sami's family and Abby's family, and that history hasn't actually been swept under the rug instead of being dealt with (since it doesn't actually exist), so it's a pointless debate.
We shouldnīt start some big debate about it since it would just derail the thread, and I know Ejamiīs history is a lot worse than Lumiīs but I donīt think Lumiīs are perfect either. When I started watching all I got from them was fighting over Will and hating each other not that I have a problem with them being paired I have liked them as a couple. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YfJdP09GUU
Nobody said that Lumi's history was perfect. That's the point, they didn't laugh over what they did to each other. They dealt with it for ten years before they forgave. That's what made their forgiveness believable, it gave it a depth that was meaningful.
It sounded like someone did to me. Anyway when Lumi was written as enemies I didnīt see them dealing with what they did to one an other I donīt think the show saw them as a future love couple at the time. Someone else told me before that Lumi dealt with their past the year before putting them together which might be true but I donīt have any memory of it all I remember is that I was very suprised when they put Lumi together and my first reaction was - What those two hate each other, so either the show did a poorly job dealing with it or I didnīt pay enough attention to it since I didnīt like Lucas at the time even if I like him now. You do realize that this scene you just posted happened AFTER they fell in love right? You are SEEING them deal with the issue at hand....it's in that dialogue...Lucas wanted Sami to realize how her being Stan hurt not only him but Will and anyone she loved, but she didn't see it that way...instead of just flipping the switch and forgiving her 2 months down the road, they took a good year if not more to put Lumi back together after these scenes....they would get back together in October of 2006....
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*Sighs*, why can't he get a hair cut? It isn't very flattering at the moment. Makes him and hence EJ look older than what he really is. I am at his age range, I would have totally done so. :whistle: Oh well you know how he ended up with short hair last time - maybe you'll get your wish soon.
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Did anyone else notice that Abby's office (or whoever's office it was that EJabby had their chat in) was the hospital room re-dressed? I guess we should be glad it wasn't the standard blue wall room, but honestly, some of these walls have been used for years. If there isn't enough money in the budget to create new rooms, can they at least re-shuffle the walls or something to make the rooms look less similar/identical?
Me and my superficial viewing.When EJ and Abby are on my screen,the last thing I am looking at are room walls but I think you already know this based on my standing gif requests. well, considering I made the GIFs, I had a bit more time to observe things non-EJabby. lol.
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepeither, and therein lies the problem.
Do you have a problem with Lumi being together despite that Sami lied about Willīs paternity and about Lucas hitting Will, and Lucas went along with Kateīs plan to frame Sami for francoīs murder. There are more reasons why Lumi shouldnīt be together than Ejabby. If Lucas and Sami were actually together at the moment, and if they had actually done things to each other that were even remotely as bad as the things that E.J. has done to Sami's family and Abby's family, and if that history had actually been swept under the rug instead of being dealt with, then sure, I'd have the same complaints about it that I have about E.J. and Sami and E.J. and Abby's so-called relationships. But Lucas and Sami aren't together, and they haven't actually done things to each other that are even remotely as bad as the things that E.J. has done to Sami's family and Abby's family, and that history hasn't actually been swept under the rug instead of being dealt with (since it doesn't actually exist), so it's a pointless debate.
We shouldnīt start some big debate about it since it would just derail the thread, and I know Ejamiīs history is a lot worse than Lumiīs but I donīt think Lumiīs are perfect either. When I started watching all I got from them was fighting over Will and hating each other not that I have a problem with them being paired I have liked them as a couple. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YfJdP09GUU Yeah. They always dealt with their past and their (mostly Lucas) trust issues. One of the things I loved most about Lumi were their conversations. How Lucas would talk about how Sami's hatred/anger was not only hurting her family but herself. She would talk about how Lucas just could not get past his mistrust. They talked about every scheme they pulled on others and each other. They put it all out there.
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