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SOD: EJ to Abby: Move On
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I think there might be people who are drawn to the sinner & saint, good girl/bad girl type tho.
Yeah, I agree with that, it's just that, while I'm no JnJ expert, ISTM that Ejabby is like JnJ only in the most superficial sense, and if that's all that matters, then there are only three kinds of couples at all - sinners, saints, and saint/sinner.
I think some people are also drawn to the Romeo & Juliet type couples/stories.
Ejami have more in common with Romeo and Juliet than ejabby do.

My point is basically what Lysie said while I was typing. At this point, all the similarities are cliches that apply to numerous couples. If you really look beyond the surface, they don't have much in common.
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Yeah, I agree with that, it's just that, while I'm no JnJ expert, ISTM that Ejabby is like JnJ only in the most superficial sense, and if that's all that matters, then there are only three kinds of couples at all - sinners, saints, and saint/sinner.
I think some people are also drawn to the Romeo & Juliet type couples/stories.
Ejami have more in common with Romeo and Juliet than ejabby do.
There's no way in hell I see Ejabby as Romeo & Juliet.
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I think some people are also drawn to the Romeo & Juliet type couples/stories.
Ejami have more in common with Romeo and Juliet than ejabby do.
There's no way in hell I see Ejabby as Romeo & Juliet.
Oh, I thought you were making a different point. Well, Romeo/Juliet soap couples would fall under one of the three umbrellas of good guys, bad guys, or a mixed set. lol.
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I see Ejabby as hot sexy and refreshing. They are what brought
me back to Days. Plus I love Ej now and I didn't before. I am so
glad these two are together. I can not see Ej being able to stay away
from Abby. He has been Sami's lap dog far to long and he has had to
clean up her messes far to long. Honestly I think that's why Sami finally
went with Ej in the first place. Bc he had the means to clean up after her messes.
I think Ej will learn that she is not what he always dreamed about and we will
end up with Abby by choice. And I will say good for him.
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I really enjoyed a discussion earlier this month (on one of the daily threads).
And also on this thread.

This whole Ejabby situation has me agreeing/disagreeing with points of view I hadn't considered before!

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Well I already liked all of you as *people*.
But now I even like some *points of view* I never liked before!
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Yeah, I agree with that, it's just that, while I'm no JnJ expert, ISTM that Ejabby is like JnJ only in the most superficial sense, and if that's all that matters, then there are only three kinds of couples at all - sinners, saints, and saint/sinner.
I think some people are also drawn to the Romeo & Juliet type couples/stories.
Ejami have more in common with Romeo and Juliet than ejabby do.

My point is basically what Lysie said while I was typing. At this point, all the similarities are cliches that apply to numerous couples. If you really look beyond the surface, they don't have much in common.
For clarity's sake, I'm not sure if they are going for JnJ, I wondered about it. I think it's still too early and things are coincidental. IMO they are going more for 50 Shades than anything. Also, if they are, it doesn't mean they are doing a good job, sometimes things don't translate well. I've seen Ericole compared to The Thornbirds and the only similarity I see is that Eric is a priest. If they are going for Thornbirds imo they missed the mark but perhaps they weren't going for that at all. Ejabby might not be any deeper than just sex in the afternoon.

Just to throw it out there, I also can see how they would want to redeem EJ :x since they have a very hard time figuring out what to do with him.
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Oh, I thought you were making a different point. Well, Romeo/Juliet soap couples would fall under one of the three umbrellas of good guys, bad guys, or a mixed set. lol.
I don't remember R&J being broken down to good guys or bad guys. (It's been decades since I've read it.) I think breaking it down into those three groups is over simplified. For eg. some people really like age difference romances or arranged marriage romances.
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I think some people are also drawn to the Romeo & Juliet type couples/stories.
Ejami have more in common with Romeo and Juliet than ejabby do.

My point is basically what Lysie said while I was typing. At this point, all the similarities are cliches that apply to numerous couples. If you really look beyond the surface, they don't have much in common.
For clarity's sake, I'm not sure if they are going for JnJ, I wondered about it. I think it's still too early and things are coincidental. IMO they are going more for 50 Shades than anything. Also, if they are, it doesn't mean they are doing a good job, sometimes things don't translate well. I've seen Ericole compared to The Thornbirds and the only similarity I see is that Eric is a priest. If they are going for Thornbirds imo they missed the mark but perhaps they weren't going for that at all. Ejabby might not be any deeper than just sex in the afternoon.

Just to throw it out there, I also can see how they would want to redeem EJ :x since they have a very hard time figuring out what to do with him.
I don't know anything about 50 shades or Thornbirds, so I can't comment on that. I could see them trying to redeem EJ, too, and I could also see them making him even darker. I agree that it's too soon to say what the plan is.
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I think some people are also drawn to the Romeo & Juliet type couples/stories.
Ejami have more in common with Romeo and Juliet than ejabby do.

My point is basically what Lysie said while I was typing. At this point, all the similarities are cliches that apply to numerous couples. If you really look beyond the surface, they don't have much in common.
For clarity's sake, I'm not sure if they are going for JnJ, I wondered about it. I think it's still too early and things are coincidental. IMO they are going more for 50 Shades than anything. Also, if they are, it doesn't mean they are doing a good job, sometimes things don't translate well. I've seen Ericole compared to The Thornbirds and the only similarity I see is that Eric is a priest. If they are going for Thornbirds imo they missed the mark but perhaps they weren't going for that at all. Ejabby might not be any deeper than just sex in the afternoon.

Just to throw it out there, I also can see how they would want to redeem EJ :x since they have a very hard time figuring out what to do with him.
It's totally the 50 shades thing.

Y'all remember when JS was leading that poll for ten minutes on Today early one morning??

I guarantee you one of those idiots at Corday or NBC thought it would be a good idea to do a story like that.

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Ejami have more in common with Romeo and Juliet than ejabby do.

My point is basically what Lysie said while I was typing. At this point, all the similarities are cliches that apply to numerous couples. If you really look beyond the surface, they don't have much in common.
For clarity's sake, I'm not sure if they are going for JnJ, I wondered about it. I think it's still too early and things are coincidental. IMO they are going more for 50 Shades than anything. Also, if they are, it doesn't mean they are doing a good job, sometimes things don't translate well. I've seen Ericole compared to The Thornbirds and the only similarity I see is that Eric is a priest. If they are going for Thornbirds imo they missed the mark but perhaps they weren't going for that at all. Ejabby might not be any deeper than just sex in the afternoon.

Just to throw it out there, I also can see how they would want to redeem EJ :x since they have a very hard time figuring out what to do with him.
I don't know anything about 50 shades or Thornbirds, so I can't comment on that. I could see them trying to redeem EJ, too, and I could also see them making him even darker. I agree that it's too soon to say what the plan is.
50 Shades is skippable as a book, it's more the phenomenon that I like, it will be interesting to see how they make the movie. Which reminds me of a documentary I saw Tales from the Script where screenwriters talk about how far away from the original the screenplay is. One writer said when all was said and done, less than 20% of her work was onscreen and she's too embarrassed to even claim that much because the movie was so awful.

Anyway, Thornbirds was a GREAT miniseries. IDK if it holds up to the test of time though.
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Oh, I thought you were making a different point. Well, Romeo/Juliet soap couples would fall under one of the three umbrellas of good guys, bad guys, or a mixed set. lol.
I don't remember R&J being broken down to good guys or bad guys. (It's been decades since I've read it.) I think breaking it down into those three groups is over simplified. For eg. some people really like age difference romances or arranged marriage romances.
R&J wasn't broken down into good guys or bad guys. The point about the three groups wasn't a serious one. My real point is that if we're going to say Ejabby is like JnJ because they both fit into the broad category of bad person/good person, while ignoring the issue that Jack isn't the same kind of bad person that EJ is and that Jen isn't the same kind of good person that Abby is (and I hesitate to even call Abby a good person) then no pairing is actually unique. At present, ejaylor has more in common with JnJ than ejabby does.
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Feb 11 2014, 12:15 AM
Ejabby is the future...ejami is the past....plain and simple...once as leaves it will be Ejabby as a couple because of the reactions from both families. She will be the black sheep for loving a dimera and he will confuse his family for loving a "good"Horton. It's so good....some of the stories just write themselves.. Especially if she has a dimera baby..
Stories that write themselves aren't always good ones. I think that people would argue that about the EJami story or any of the setups on this show.
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Ejami have more in common with Romeo and Juliet than ejabby do.

My point is basically what Lysie said while I was typing. At this point, all the similarities are cliches that apply to numerous couples. If you really look beyond the surface, they don't have much in common.
For clarity's sake, I'm not sure if they are going for JnJ, I wondered about it. I think it's still too early and things are coincidental. IMO they are going more for 50 Shades than anything. Also, if they are, it doesn't mean they are doing a good job, sometimes things don't translate well. I've seen Ericole compared to The Thornbirds and the only similarity I see is that Eric is a priest. If they are going for Thornbirds imo they missed the mark but perhaps they weren't going for that at all. Ejabby might not be any deeper than just sex in the afternoon.

Just to throw it out there, I also can see how they would want to redeem EJ :x since they have a very hard time figuring out what to do with him.
I don't know anything about 50 shades or Thornbirds, so I can't comment on that. I could see them trying to redeem EJ, too, and I could also see them making him even darker. I agree that it's too soon to say what the plan is.
They constantly want to redeem EJ without actually redeeming EJ. They want him to suddenly be good without having him really address the things he's done. His "redemptions" never work because he still walks around like an entitled asshole daring his former victims to even vaguely reference that he's ever been less than perfect. He could never do a bad thing again and constantly walk around performing heroic acts all over Salem, and he still wouldn't be redeemed. These conversations always turn into a thing about Sami, but the thing is Sami is far from his only victim and most of his other victims are expected to walk around town and treat him kindly despite the things he's done (shooting them, stealing their kidneys, blowing up their cars, having them falsely imprisoned, etc.). EJ is never going to be redeemed because there is no way they're ever going to actually address his past. It's not that it needs to be constantly thrown in his face. It just needs to be dealt with and there needs to be a certain amount of admission and remorse for him to actually be redeemed. If they didn't bother to do that for him to hook him up with Sami, there's no way they'll do it to hook him up with Abby. All that t say, I don't think they're going to "try" to redeem him. If they want him redeemed, they're going to pretend like he is without writing it just like they have every other time.
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They constantly want to redeem EJ without actually redeeming EJ. They want him to suddenly be good without having him really address the things he's done. His "redemptions" never work because he still walks around like an entitled asshole daring his former victims to even vaguely reference that he's ever been less than perfect. He could never do a bad thing again and constantly walk around performing heroic acts all over Salem, and he still wouldn't be redeemed. These conversations always turn into a thing about Sami, but the thing is Sami is far from his only victim and most of his other victims are expected to walk around town and treat him kindly despite the things he's done (shooting them, stealing their kidneys, blowing up their cars, having them falsely imprisoned, etc.). EJ is never going to be redeemed because there is no way they're ever going to actually address his past. It's not that it needs to be constantly thrown in his face. It just needs to be dealt with and there needs to be a certain amount of admission and remorse for him to actually be redeemed. If they didn't bother to do that for him to hook him up with Sami, there's no way they'll do it to hook him up with Abby. All that t say, I don't think they're going to "try" to redeem him. If they want him redeemed, they're going to pretend like he is without writing it just like they have every other time.

This is true. Sadly.

I already like the electricity of the Ejabby sex scenes.

I like the *potential* of EJ+Abby in an actual STORY .. ... but --- what I've quoted you saying is why I don't trust the writers/directors to do it right.

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If "ejabby" ends up being ONLY shallow sex, then I want Abby to have a short brief fling, unapologetic, with no pregnancy complications ... and then I want her to recognize that it was just fun ... and let it go ... and then move on with her life in a great career.

I'm reminded of the movie "Peggy Sue gets married"

The backstory is that Peggy Sue is an adult remembering her teen years, and remembering all the many many years she had craved being the hottie badboy -- but never did. She had chosen to marry instead a seemingly 'adequate' fellow.

As Peggy Sue's looking back on her life and reflecting on this, something happens and ... She gets to go back in time and have a one-night-stand with this hottie badboy. And enjoys herself thoroughly. But she realizes the badboy is a good lay, but limited. She sees that it is ... nothing more than it is. She ends up choosing the same husband she had originally chosen.

Now Peggy Sue has the good adequate husband she truly loves ... AND has the memory of the HOT night with the badboy.

I would like Abby to find a great guy (but someone who is actually GREAT and not 'adequate'). And then look back and remember her time with EJ as ... that brief hot fling with the hottie badboy. She'll remember EJ thus but not want to go back to him.

Disclaimer: I might be remembering the movie inaccurately, but hopefully you get my idea.
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I don't think anything this show does is a coincidence....Emilio, I mean, Ben is arriving in Salem in about 2 weeks...he could play the piano, or any other instrument, but we already know he plays the guitar and sings ;)

I barely remember Emilio, did he play guitar? I remember him more from Fame.
Oh yeah...Emilio played guitar, Emilio was the good guy, the one who she could rely on to be there for her while Jack was the bad guy who she shouldn't love but did...Jen and Emilio were to marry, but in the end guess who rescued her out of that wedding? lol....

here is some dialogue from a scene Jack and Jen had about Emilio

Jen: "Well call me crazy but I think it's important for me to find the man that I'm going to spend the rest of my life with."

Jack: " what makes you think it's Emilio?"

Jen: "because Emilio is wonderful, and he's kind and he listens to me and he loves me and he wants me, guys like that are one in a million"

Jack: "okay..tell yourself that over and over again, maybe you'll convince yourself that's enough to build a marriage on. Maybe even some day you'll be convinced that you love him"


sigh.... :wub2: :wub2: :wub2: Old school JnJ flashbacks scenes! :wub2: :wub2: :wub2: Makes me want to roll my eyes at Dannifer even more

As for Ejabby, I personally think the writers needed some drama for Ejami and in classic soap tradition: "lets have one of them have an affair". They wrote EJ to be sex deprived by his fiance and her angry at him for months, etc. Then a sexy girl, who he genuinely likes as a person, made herself fully available. This isnt a love story for Ejabby, its just sex for him, this is about Ejami's soap drama. Now, who knows what will shift onscreen in 4 months, now that AS has announced her leaving the show though
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For the record, I don't see Ejabby anywhere remotely similar to JnJ. Ejabby fit that bad boy/good girl mold of course but they broke out of that by having them completely engage in a highly sexual affair before a solid foundation of love was established. Honestly, this distinction is one of the reasons I find them so interesting.
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I don't think anything this show does is a coincidence....Emilio, I mean, Ben is arriving in Salem in about 2 weeks...he could play the piano, or any other instrument, but we already know he plays the guitar and sings ;)

I barely remember Emilio, did he play guitar? I remember him more from Fame.
Oh yeah...Emilio played guitar, Emilio was the good guy, the one who she could rely on to be there for her while Jack was the bad guy who she shouldn't love but did...Jen and Emilio were to marry, but in the end guess who rescued her out of that wedding? lol....

here is some dialogue from a scene Jack and Jen had about Emilio

Jen: "Well call me crazy but I think it's important for me to find the man that I'm going to spend the rest of my life with."

Jack: " what makes you think it's Emilio?"

Jen: "because Emilio is wonderful, and he's kind and he listens to me and he loves me and he wants me, guys like that are one in a million"

Jack: "okay..tell yourself that over and over again, maybe you'll convince yourself that's enough to build a marriage on. Maybe even some day you'll be convinced that you love him"


sigh.... :wub2: :wub2: :wub2: Old school JnJ flashbacks scenes! :wub2: :wub2: :wub2: Makes me want to roll my eyes at Dannifer even more

As for Ejabby, I personally think the writers needed some drama for Ejami and in classic soap tradition: "lets have one of them have an affair". They wrote EJ to be sex deprived by his fiance and her angry at him for months, etc. Then a sexy girl, who he genuinely likes as a person, made herself fully available. This isnt a love story for Ejabby, its just sex for him, this is about Ejami's soap drama. Now, who knows what will shift onscreen in 4 months, now that AS has announced her leaving the show though
I concur.

And I'll be the first to say Ejami needed angst, but I think this was the worst direction to go.

None of the characters are "in character", well, except for EJ...he's had so many characterizations he's never out of character.
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I would say that Ashley Benson has been the most successful outside of Days. I don't watch Pretty Little Liars but she's everywhere and I'm always hearing about her. Plus she did that movie with James Franco. Shelly Hennig may have been in that CW show but I never hear about her and it was cancelled.
Thanks for the info.I don't watch Pretty Little Liars but see the information in SOD.I have not seen Ashley Benson elsewhere and I haven't watched CW since Nikita.
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Feb 11 2014, 12:51 AM
hope abby and ej aren't put together as a couple because abby doesn't know who she wanna be with one week it's chad next week it's Cameron or the some other who will come alone
Abby has not been shown to have thought about Cameron since she received his message that he was not returning to Salem and the same with Chad.Everytime someone suggests she is thinking about Chad,Abby has a "Chad who?' look on her face then hastily agrees its about Chad.
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