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SOD: Sami faces off with Nicole
Topic Started: Feb 21 2014, 02:33 AM (5,936 Views)
Nicole Walker


PhilipCanDoBetter
Feb 21 2014, 10:01 AM
Here we go defending Sami fking Brady. Wish she would leave town now! No, someone need to take this btvh down. Can't stand her anymore.
Thank You. That witch can go crawl in a hole and die. Can't wait for her world to come tumbling down and I do hope Nicole laughs in her face.
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Ellie


LuvingLumi
Feb 21 2014, 09:49 AM
So are we all thinking that the deal she tries to make with stefano isn't to clear her son's name but to try to break up Nicole and Eric?
The article says that, yes. I mean I guess they're related, but as all of you are saying, it doesn't seem like Marlena would be so stupid to think that if Nicole weren't available (or whatever), Eric would suddenly vote for celibacy again.
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So is Marlena going to ask Stefano to put out a hit on NIcole?
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The whole Marlena going to Stefano to clear her son's name is absurd. What does she want Stefano to do, incriminate his sociopathic daughter? Is Marlena that delusional?
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Sariah
Feb 21 2014, 10:49 AM
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Feb 21 2014, 09:56 AM
LuvingLumi
Feb 21 2014, 09:52 AM
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Feb 21 2014, 09:47 AM
AZ is doing a bit of fanwanking. Nicole is much, much worse than Sami is. I completely understand why Marlena would try to keep Eric and Nicole apart. I'm annoyed that Days wouldn't let ericole date for one day before throwing a timebomb in their relationship. Nicole has put Eric's feelings ahead of hers since 2012. It was an example of the way ericole was different than all of her other relationships. I should have known these writers just couldn't have that.
Sami and Nicole are pretty much even in what they've done ...I don't agree whatsover that Nicole is much, much worse..sorry NO....they have both kidnapped, both schemed to get people they wanted that loved others, they have both tried to kill or killed someone, they have lied, cheated, etc....so how exactly is Sami much much better than Nicole? Please do tell, I'd love to hear this one, lol. I've liked both characters just the same and I think the reason i liked both once upon a time equally is because they are so similar....now I'm liking Nicole more due to story but when I liked both I knew why I liked them and it's because they were pretty much the same.
There's a difference between accidental killing, self defense and killing for money.
Is Victor the on purpose murder? If I recall correctly (and this was only because Philip had come back), Victor was very (VERY) abusive to Nicole - physically, mentally and emotionally - like locking her in her room and imprisoning her abusive. I never thought her planning to kill him was only about the money; he was abusing her. And that's a sore spot for Nicole given the abuse she suffered at her own father's hands.

How is it not premeditated for Sami Brady to get up in the middle of the night with a gun and go over to EJ's house and then shoot him in the head (with the intention of killing him) and then go screw Rafe right after? It's not like EJ walked into her house and in the heat of the moment she grabbed a gun. I mean, that's about as premeditated as you can get.

Sami kills to protect what Sami wants. It doesn't ever come from a "good" place. Sami Brady is the most selfish character on the show and I think all her attempted murders prove it. She's also proven how callous and narcissistic she is when it comes to those murders - immediately jumping into bed with Rafe or shooting the breeze with Kate while they got rid of Nick.
Gailwinters covered the incorrect details in this post about EJ's shooting, so I'll leave that alone, but Sami has only actually "killed" two people (LOL), and only one death was arguably murder. And she didn't directly benefit from either death. There are several times that it would have benefited her to have someone killed, but after a half a second's thought, she always realizes she wouldn't be able to go through with it.

Victor was definitely abusive to Nicole, but she didn't kill him because she wanted to stop the abuse. She could have stopped the abuse by getting help. She tried to kill him because she wanted to get out from under his thumb without anyone finding out she killed Colin. She killed people, then ordered hits on other innocent people to cover her tracks.

If the number of attempted murders a character has under their belts is an indication of how selfish they are, and we compare Sami and Nicole, Nicole would be the more selfish character.
Edited by six, Feb 21 2014, 11:59 AM.
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six
Feb 21 2014, 09:47 AM
AZ is doing a bit of fanwanking. Nicole is much, much worse than Sami is. I completely understand why Marlena would try to keep Eric and Nicole apart. I'm annoyed that Days wouldn't let ericole date for one day before throwing a timebomb in their relationship. Nicole has put Eric's feelings ahead of hers since 2012. It was an example of the way ericole was different than all of her other relationships. I should have known these writers just couldn't have that.
I disagree that Nicole is worse than Sami but I totally agree with the remainder of your post.Its extremely difficult for me to watch Nicole /Eric scenes since she shreaded the documents that would clear him.I feel as if i wasted the portion of the year I spent watching her grow as a person and clearly demonstrate her love by Eric by putting him before what she wanted.Now I cringe when he talks about loving her her.I don't want to see them kiss or for their relationshi to progress despite spending a year want to see just that.The writers destroyed a year in just two days.If I did not care about Abby/EJ,Nick,Sonny/Will,Lucas,John/Marlena,Rafe/Jordan,Kate,JJ,and drunk Brady with Theresa,I would no longer watch the show.I totally hate what they have done to Nicole because it was unnecessary.They had enough conflct with them being together because of Eric's family.They did not have to make them right about not wanting Nicole with Eric.
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I can't agree that Nicole is "way way worse" than Sami. I agree w/the poster who said they're about even.

They've done things differently. And how do you compare their deeds? Is trying to sell your sister on the blackmarket or stealing your rival's baby worse? Giving your rival a flesh eating bacteria or everything Sami's done to Carrie from faking amnesia to deformed babies?

Then again Nicole manages to make me feel sorry for her far more often than Sami does.
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I'm just about ready to do away with that whole branch of the Brady/Evans/Black family. Eric can stay because he brings the pretty and Ericole feels. Brady is a freaking moron, Sami is self-righteous/hypocritical/generally annoying, and I swear she gets it from Marlena. Sometimes she's fine but sometimes they write her to be so snooty and self-righteous, it drives me up a wall. She was the one dumb enough to align with Victor and use Nicole in the process, but suddenly Nicole isn't good enough for her son? All she's done is walk around whining about how she was wronged but she hasn't done anything to help him like Nicole has. This woman. I can stand her less than Sami sometimes.

Ready for all the dislikes.
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I hope they throw Sami a "Go Away" Party not "Going Away".. haha! When does the countdown start?!
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Add me to the list of people that loathes the choice to have Nicole destroy that evidence. It made no sense and I truly don't feel that's what Nicole would do at this point in her life. Some may say, "we'll where's the drama?"...we've had the drama! Or, idk, how bout soap writers come up with some that makes sense. What would've been true to the characters at this point would be for Ericole to go into the kiss and Nicole push him away, show him the evidence and now he has a real choice to make. All cards are on the table. Maybe he decides to go back to the priesthood, but the chemistry is too big to deny and shit happens. Boom drama. I just hate they went this route because its running the HUGE risk of having one side of this slow burn super couple come across as selfish, dishonest and nearly pathetic. And that's sad because Ericole 2.0 had a solid foundation in truth and a fight for each other. Days was doing so well until this. I hope they have something up their sleeves that'll make this make sense but I'm not holding my breath
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I think the biggest difference between Nicole and Sami is that Nicole suffered through a childhood with physical and sexual abuse that is still thrown in her face as if she were to blame for it. She went through a heartbreaking hell and the things she did were awful, but they were the wrong way she tried to overcome it. Some of the things she did are twisted to make her look worse, such as people claiming she dumped Eric for money when she only did it because Victor sent violent thugs after her who threatened to reveal the child porn she was forced into, and was ashamed of. She also suffers real consequences that stick when the things she has done come to light. People turn their back on her, she's treated like a leper. People will even attack her while she is on a suicide watch.

Sami didn't have it nearly as bad, and she had unconditional love from a large family to help her through it. She is surrounded by a network of love and support from people who refuse to turn their back on her no matter how much she hurts them with her selfish cruelty, and all they receive in return is to be treated like shit with a side of smug, self-righteous hypocrisy. She is forgiven even when she shows through her actions that she feels no remorse for her actions.
Edited by TreasureCove, Feb 21 2014, 02:04 PM.
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Both characters have done shitty things, felonious (sp?) things that should have led to being imprisoned for life. But, so has half of Salem, lol. My only question is didn't Marlena and Sami ask Eric how he feels? Wouldn't they respect his decision? I know they love him, but a part of that is letting him make his own life choices. :shrug:
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Sami needs to mind her own business but this will serve to distract her while EJ is busy with his side projects.
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TreasureCove
Feb 21 2014, 01:47 PM
I think the biggest difference between Nicole and Sami is that Nicole suffered through a childhood with physical and sexual abuse that is still thrown in her face as if she were to blame for it. She went through a heartbreaking hell and the things she did were awful, but they were the wrong way she tried to overcome it. Some of the things she did are twisted to make her look worse, such as people claiming she dumped Eric for money when she only did it because Victor sent violent thugs after her who threatened to reveal the child porn she was forced into, and was ashamed of. She also suffers real consequences that stick when the things she has done come to light. People turn their back on her, she's treated like a leper. People will even attack her while she is on a suicide watch.

Sami didn't have it nearly as bad, and she had unconditional love from a large family to help her through it. She is surrounded by a network of love and support from people who refuse to turn their back on her no matter how much she hurts them with her selfish cruelty, and all they receive in return is to be treated like shit with a side of smug, self-righteous hypocrisy. She is forgiven even when she shows through her actions that she feels no remorse for her actions.
I don't think people are twisting things to make Nicole look worse. Nicole took the $5 million dollars to pay off the people who were threatening her like 15 years ago, and when characters have brought it up since then, they never include the rest of the story.

I think Sami and Nicole have similar personalities, in that they're both selfish, largely immoral people. Sami just has more respect for human life. Neither of them are victims, in my view.
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six
Feb 21 2014, 11:57 AM
Sariah
Feb 21 2014, 10:49 AM
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Feb 21 2014, 09:56 AM
LuvingLumi
Feb 21 2014, 09:52 AM

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There's a difference between accidental killing, self defense and killing for money.
Is Victor the on purpose murder? If I recall correctly (and this was only because Philip had come back), Victor was very (VERY) abusive to Nicole - physically, mentally and emotionally - like locking her in her room and imprisoning her abusive. I never thought her planning to kill him was only about the money; he was abusing her. And that's a sore spot for Nicole given the abuse she suffered at her own father's hands.

How is it not premeditated for Sami Brady to get up in the middle of the night with a gun and go over to EJ's house and then shoot him in the head (with the intention of killing him) and then go screw Rafe right after? It's not like EJ walked into her house and in the heat of the moment she grabbed a gun. I mean, that's about as premeditated as you can get.

Sami kills to protect what Sami wants. It doesn't ever come from a "good" place. Sami Brady is the most selfish character on the show and I think all her attempted murders prove it. She's also proven how callous and narcissistic she is when it comes to those murders - immediately jumping into bed with Rafe or shooting the breeze with Kate while they got rid of Nick.
Gailwinters covered the incorrect details in this post about EJ's shooting, so I'll leave that alone, but Sami has only actually "killed" two people (LOL), and only one death was arguably murder. And she didn't directly benefit from either death. There are several times that it would have benefited her to have someone killed, but after a half a second's thought, she always realizes she wouldn't be able to go through with it.

Victor was definitely abusive to Nicole, but she didn't kill him because she wanted to stop the abuse. She could have stopped the abuse by getting help. She tried to kill him because she wanted to get out from under his thumb without anyone finding out she killed Colin. She killed people, then ordered hits on other innocent people to cover her tracks.

If the number of attempted murders a character has under their belts is an indication of how selfish they are, and we compare Sami and Nicole, Nicole would be the more selfish character.



But Nicole didn't kill Victor or Collin. They were both alive and part of Melaswen. So doesn't that give Nicole the same pass as Sami?

As far as Victor's abuse goes, I seem to remember him repeatedly telling her that she would never be allowed to leave him and constantly threatening her. I don't know what help she could have gotten to get out of her marriage to a very dangerous mobster. She felt trapped and you can't really blame her for that.

I'm with what TreasureCove said. Nicole's childhood was full of trauma and physical and sexual abuse, which the good citizens of Salem love to throw in her face. Sami had a happy childhood surrounded by a large and loving family who not only put up with all her crap, but constantly excuse and forgive everything she does. Nicole was always very poor (which helps me to understand her obsession with money) while Sami had it easy. Nicole is always unlucky in love while Sami typically has a queue of men waiting on her. Nicole loses babies she desperately wants and Sami pops them out and hands them over to relatives and servants.

I guess I'm willing to root for Nicole and give her a pass because she has always had it so much harder than Sami.

Plus, Nicole's not currently on an annual murder streak like Sami is. ;)

Edited by Sariah, Feb 21 2014, 02:53 PM.
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confusedbyitall
Feb 21 2014, 02:06 PM
Both characters have done shitty things, felonious (sp?) things that should have led to being imprisoned for life. But, so has half of Salem, lol. My only question is didn't Marlena and Sami ask Eric how he feels? Wouldn't they respect his decision? I know they love him, but a part of that is letting him make his own life choices. :shrug:
Yeah! Seems like her kids could do worse in picking mates. . . oh wait! Sami picked EJ and Brady picked Kristen - seems like only Belle's doing well and let's face it; that's probably only a matter of time. :blulaugh:

EJ and Kristen make Nicole look like a saint in comparison.
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Despite everything, we still don't know 100% about the evidence. I think the writers want us to think she shredded it, but I'm not convinced she shredded it all, but if she did....Nicole can still redeem herself by finding A. Her phone with Chyka's confession, or B. The unedited video.....AND NO WRITERS...I'M NOT GOING TO FORGET ABOUT EITHER ONE!!!

I just for once a damn happy ending for my favorite couple!!! The supercouple writing was perfect for 15 months...and then a complete 180...these writers better figure out how to fix it and put Nicole in a good light....or goodbye to DAYS for messing up the best thing to happen to DAYS in a long time: Ericole!!!
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Sariah
Feb 21 2014, 02:50 PM
six
Feb 21 2014, 11:57 AM
Sariah
Feb 21 2014, 10:49 AM
Kaha
Feb 21 2014, 09:56 AM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep
Is Victor the on purpose murder? If I recall correctly (and this was only because Philip had come back), Victor was very (VERY) abusive to Nicole - physically, mentally and emotionally - like locking her in her room and imprisoning her abusive. I never thought her planning to kill him was only about the money; he was abusing her. And that's a sore spot for Nicole given the abuse she suffered at her own father's hands.

How is it not premeditated for Sami Brady to get up in the middle of the night with a gun and go over to EJ's house and then shoot him in the head (with the intention of killing him) and then go screw Rafe right after? It's not like EJ walked into her house and in the heat of the moment she grabbed a gun. I mean, that's about as premeditated as you can get.

Sami kills to protect what Sami wants. It doesn't ever come from a "good" place. Sami Brady is the most selfish character on the show and I think all her attempted murders prove it. She's also proven how callous and narcissistic she is when it comes to those murders - immediately jumping into bed with Rafe or shooting the breeze with Kate while they got rid of Nick.
Gailwinters covered the incorrect details in this post about EJ's shooting, so I'll leave that alone, but Sami has only actually "killed" two people (LOL), and only one death was arguably murder. And she didn't directly benefit from either death. There are several times that it would have benefited her to have someone killed, but after a half a second's thought, she always realizes she wouldn't be able to go through with it.

Victor was definitely abusive to Nicole, but she didn't kill him because she wanted to stop the abuse. She could have stopped the abuse by getting help. She tried to kill him because she wanted to get out from under his thumb without anyone finding out she killed Colin. She killed people, then ordered hits on other innocent people to cover her tracks.

If the number of attempted murders a character has under their belts is an indication of how selfish they are, and we compare Sami and Nicole, Nicole would be the more selfish character.



But Nicole didn't kill Victor or Collin. They were both alive and part of Melaswen. So doesn't that give Nicole the same pass as Sami?

As far as Victor's abuse goes, I seem to remember him repeatedly telling her that she would never be allowed to leave him and constantly threatening her. I don't know what help she could have gotten to get out of her marriage to a very dangerous mobster. She felt trapped and you can't really blame her for that.

I'm with what TreasureCove said. Nicole's childhood was full of trauma and physical and sexual abuse, which the good citizens of Salem love to throw in her face. Sami had a happy childhood surrounded by a large and loving family who not only put up with all her crap, but constantly excuse and forgive everything she does. Nicole was always very poor (which helps me to understand her obsession with money) while Sami had it easy. Nicole is always unlucky in love while Sami typically has a queue of men waiting on her. Nicole loses babies she desperately wants and Sami pops them out and hands them over to relatives and servants.

I guess I'm willing to root for Nicole and give her a pass because she has always had it so much harder than Sami.

Plus, Nicole's not currently on an annual murder streak like Sami is. ;)

I'm at a loss for where Sami's getting a pass, when Nick's "death" as being counted as one of the murders, even though he actually survived. Nobody is getting a pass. Both of them have tried to murder people. One of them in the heat of the moment, and the other one, coldly and methodically. One of them sticks to trying to kill people who wronged her/someone she cares about. The other has tried to kill innocent folks who happened to know too much. And Nicole could have gone to the police instead of going to Larry and Jan. She was clearly out and about often enough to plot his death.

I can understand finding Nicole more sympathetic, because of the tragedies in her life, but that doesn't make this line - "Sami has done far worse things in her life" true.
Edited by six, Feb 21 2014, 03:36 PM.
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Sami and Nicole are one and the same.
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AmbernOK
Feb 21 2014, 03:24 PM
Despite everything, we still don't know 100% about the evidence. I think the writers want us to think she shredded it, but I'm not convinced she shredded it all, but if she did....Nicole can still redeem herself by finding A. Her phone with Chyka's confession, or B. The unedited video.....AND NO WRITERS...I'M NOT GOING TO FORGET ABOUT EITHER ONE!!!

I just for once a damn happy ending for my favorite couple!!! The supercouple writing was perfect for 15 months...and then a complete 180...these writers better figure out how to fix it and put Nicole in a good light....or goodbye to DAYS for messing up the best thing to happen to DAYS in a long time: Ericole!!!
Totally agreed about the 180, I just can't make any sense of it. There was plenty of "drama" on the horizon for Ericole between Marlena/Roman/Brady Clan's disapproval and Kristen's upcoming return. If they were going to go this route, it would have made more sense for the "hard evidence" to come into Nicole's hands sometime after they were in something of an established relationship.
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