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Monday, February 24th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Feb 24 2014, 05:12 AM (18,705 Views)
SocRMum1
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

lysie
Feb 26 2014, 01:19 PM
SocRMum1
Feb 26 2014, 01:16 PM
lysie
Feb 26 2014, 12:59 PM
SocRMum1
Feb 26 2014, 12:41 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepToo bad Sami is the one and only one Ej has ever wanted. Ej is well aware of Sami's flaws just like Sami is well aware of his. They are perfectly imperfect for each other. Ej has put up a lot of shit for Sami over the years without blinking once I won't mention names of anyone he did want because it upsets my Soapy
I know it's what you claim but I don't think it's what you believe. Otherwise you wouldn't have felt the need to fly a shipper flag. ;) But that doesn't mean I don't think you're a fan. I'm not THAT stupid, lol, and that's not for me to say anyway (and I wouldn't say any of this if it wasn't you I was talking to). I don't believe EJ's dialogue that day negates the Taylor fiasco where he was barely even thinking about Sami. I also don't think it negates what followed at the beginning of MarDar's run when they barely crossed paths. Despite any dreams he had, I don't think he loved her after she shot him. There's also a period near the beginning when I don't think he wanted her (at the beginning of the flip floppy writing). Mostly, though, I don't think absolutes are true. He hasn't always loved her and he hasn't never loved her (BEAUTIFUL sentence structure).
It's like you don't even know me, LIEsee. :facepalm:

My need to fly a shipper flag is due to the fact that it confounds me that I still ship them no matter what. As much as I'd like to be able to step back and look at them objectively, I know I don't and I can't. That's why I fly the flag...I'm letting y'all know that what I'm about to spew is going to sound like nonsense to the people that don't love that pairing like I do - but here it comes anyway. :lol:

I'm admitting my unexplainable bias up front to save us all a little bit of time and effort. :shrug:

It doesn't mean that I don't agree with Soapy about wanting to deliver a swift kick to EJ's frank and beans...or however she put that yesterday. And after the shooting I spent months saying I hoped EJ would actually find someone else because I was sick of Sami stomping on our his heart. I mean, the bitch SHOT him in the HEAD for gosh sakes! :glare:

But yeah...I absolutely believe that EJ has loved Sami from right around the time of the whole 12/29 scenes. I've always said I feel like he thought he'd be able to just waltz out of Salem, mission accomplished and not worry about her again (aside from the fact that he'd have to make sure his planted seed took. :yuk: ) but after he was gone he realized differently. Even during Taylor and the various rounds of EJole and being the mayor and all that crap, I've always thought that EJ would have jumped at the chance to truly be with Sami and have her return his feelings. Even when he was so angry with her after the shooting and forcing her away from Johnny, etc. I felt like it was driven by his underlying hurt. And the hurt came from the fact that he still loved her even though there was absolutely no reason why he should. I like to think it probably pissed him off as much or more as my inability to stop shipping them has me. :$
Your explanation of your flag kind of proved my point but I'll let you go on as is, lol.
I feel like the criticle things missing from this conversation are a firepit, smores and most importantly, Brewy.
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Feb 26 2014, 01:29 PM
See, this is why I don't get all cliff jumping from Ejami's or celebrating from anti-Ejami's about this Ejabby storyline. To me, this is much less of a hiccup than Ejami has faced in the past. Back in early 2011, EJ had zero love for Sami, was in love with a scarf and hired a stranger to fuck her pretending to be her husband. Talk about a low point. Don't get me wrong, I HATE the Ejabby storyline, but it's still beyond obvious that EJ loves Sami in spite of his stupidity and that Sami loves EJ in spite of her daily screeching. Yes, cheating is bad, but compared to what they did to and how they felt about each other in the past, I don't get the big deal here. I mean, Ejami is obviously going to break up because AS is leaving, but if she wasn't, I'd just consider this another bump in the road.
It's definitely a minor issue compared to the other things that they've overcome, but this is a bit harder to take because it came out of nowhere. EJ's extreme overreactions to things that Sami did to him made a twisted kind of sense. This time, EJ just sabotaged himself for no good reason at all. I don't think this is the kind of thing that would end ejami for good, but it would have changed their relationship for good.
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Feb 26 2014, 12:59 PM
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Feb 26 2014, 12:41 PM
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Feb 26 2014, 11:49 AM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepToo bad Sami is the one and only one Ej has ever wanted. Ej is well aware of Sami's flaws just like Sami is well aware of his. They are perfectly imperfect for each other. Ej has put up a lot of shit for Sami over the years without blinking once I won't mention names of anyone he did want because it upsets my Soapy
I'm surprised you don't already know that's what I believe...I've never been shy about being an EJami fan.

There have been times when it's been damned hard to be one...and times when it's actually pissed me off that I can't seem to quit them...but much like I believe EJ's love for Sami has always been there, so has my fangirling for EJami. :wub:

I would not say the reverse is true of Sami's feelings for EJ, though. After the shooting I was convinced I would finally cut my ship loose...but the chemistry between JS and AS has always sucked me in, even during the shit times.
I know it's what you claim but I don't think it's what you believe. Otherwise you wouldn't have felt the need to fly a shipper flag. ;) But that doesn't mean I don't think you're a fan. I'm not THAT stupid, lol, and that's not for me to say anyway (and I wouldn't say any of this if it wasn't you I was talking to). I don't believe EJ's dialogue that day negates the Taylor fiasco where he was barely even thinking about Sami. I also don't think it negates what followed at the beginning of MarDar's run when they barely crossed paths. Despite any dreams he had, I don't think he loved her after she shot him. There's also a period near the beginning when I don't think he wanted her (at the beginning of the flip floppy writing). Mostly, though, I don't think absolutes are true. He hasn't always loved her and he hasn't never loved her (BEAUTIFUL sentence structure).
It's like you don't even know me, LIEsee. :facepalm:

My need to fly a shipper flag is due to the fact that it confounds me that I still ship them no matter what. As much as I'd like to be able to step back and look at them objectively, I know I don't and I can't. That's why I fly the flag...I'm letting y'all know that what I'm about to spew is going to sound like nonsense to the people that don't love that pairing like I do - but here it comes anyway. :lol:

I'm admitting my unexplainable bias up front to save us all a little bit of time and effort. :shrug:

It doesn't mean that I don't agree with Soapy about wanting to deliver a swift kick to EJ's frank and beans...or however she put that yesterday. And after the shooting I spent months saying I hoped EJ would actually find someone else because I was sick of Sami stomping on our his heart. I mean, the bitch SHOT him in the HEAD for gosh sakes! :glare:

But yeah...I absolutely believe that EJ has loved Sami from right around the time of the whole 12/29 scenes. I've always said I feel like he thought he'd be able to just waltz out of Salem, mission accomplished and not worry about her again (aside from the fact that he'd have to make sure his planted seed took. :yuk: ) but after he was gone he realized differently. Even during Taylor and the various rounds of EJole and being the mayor and all that crap, I've always thought that EJ would have jumped at the chance to truly be with Sami and have her return his feelings. Even when he was so angry with her after the shooting and forcing her away from Johnny, etc. I felt like it was driven by his underlying hurt. And the hurt came from the fact that he still loved her even though there was absolutely no reason why he should. I like to think it probably pissed him off as much or more as my inability to stop shipping them has me. :$
There's a wee little part of me that still feels the way you do, Soc. And I love that you can still fly your freaky shipper flag but I'm not feeling it currently.

Yes, I agree that it's always seemed as though EJ loved Sami, at least that's how JS played it. Even after Sami shot him in the head (PS She's still a bitch for that), he admitted that he loved her & even dreamt about kissing her. And since I am of the firm belief that most of 2010 & 2011 never happened, I can go along with him still loving Sami during this scarf sniffing mess y'all keep referring to, that I have no recollection of. B-)

However, I cannot, even if I think EJ still loves Sami, be okay with him letting Sprout climb his bean stalk...REPEATEDLY!! To me, this is on level with Bitch shooting him in the head. I was done with Sami then, & I'm pretty much done with EJ now. And, to add insult to injury, the fact that EJ is so incredibly HAWT, does not keep me from loathing him entirely.

I just think he's a freaking HAWT cad.

And this makes my Soapy heart sad.
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Feb 26 2014, 01:36 PM
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Feb 26 2014, 01:19 PM
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Feb 26 2014, 12:59 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepToo bad Sami is the one and only one Ej has ever wanted. Ej is well aware of Sami's flaws just like Sami is well aware of his. They are perfectly imperfect for each other. Ej has put up a lot of shit for Sami over the years without blinking once I won't mention names of anyone he did want because it upsets my Soapy
It's like you don't even know me, LIEsee. :facepalm:

My need to fly a shipper flag is due to the fact that it confounds me that I still ship them no matter what. As much as I'd like to be able to step back and look at them objectively, I know I don't and I can't. That's why I fly the flag...I'm letting y'all know that what I'm about to spew is going to sound like nonsense to the people that don't love that pairing like I do - but here it comes anyway. :lol:

I'm admitting my unexplainable bias up front to save us all a little bit of time and effort. :shrug:

It doesn't mean that I don't agree with Soapy about wanting to deliver a swift kick to EJ's frank and beans...or however she put that yesterday. And after the shooting I spent months saying I hoped EJ would actually find someone else because I was sick of Sami stomping on our his heart. I mean, the bitch SHOT him in the HEAD for gosh sakes! :glare:

But yeah...I absolutely believe that EJ has loved Sami from right around the time of the whole 12/29 scenes. I've always said I feel like he thought he'd be able to just waltz out of Salem, mission accomplished and not worry about her again (aside from the fact that he'd have to make sure his planted seed took. :yuk: ) but after he was gone he realized differently. Even during Taylor and the various rounds of EJole and being the mayor and all that crap, I've always thought that EJ would have jumped at the chance to truly be with Sami and have her return his feelings. Even when he was so angry with her after the shooting and forcing her away from Johnny, etc. I felt like it was driven by his underlying hurt. And the hurt came from the fact that he still loved her even though there was absolutely no reason why he should. I like to think it probably pissed him off as much or more as my inability to stop shipping them has me. :$
Your explanation of your flag kind of proved my point but I'll let you go on as is, lol.
I feel like the criticle things missing from this conversation are a firepit, smores and most importantly, Brewy.
I just think that a proclamation that you're not seeing things objectively is the same as a proclamation that you know it's not necessarily what aired. You leave room for other interpretations without mocking me and listing absolutes that can be easily argued (though maybe not by choice, lol) and I think that's great. The OP that started this did not and even including everything that you have said since then, I still find the op to be false. Even if he has wanted sami all along, he's also wanted others along the way too. Whether as much iir as intensely is certainly debatable, though in that debate I'd err on your side for the most part.
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Sigh. I accidentally deleted the part that said "that's why I love you." You'll have to guess where it went.
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

SoapGal1
Feb 26 2014, 01:43 PM
SocRMum1
Feb 26 2014, 01:16 PM
lysie
Feb 26 2014, 12:59 PM
SocRMum1
Feb 26 2014, 12:41 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepToo bad Sami is the one and only one Ej has ever wanted. Ej is well aware of Sami's flaws just like Sami is well aware of his. They are perfectly imperfect for each other. Ej has put up a lot of shit for Sami over the years without blinking once I won't mention names of anyone he did want because it upsets my Soapy
I know it's what you claim but I don't think it's what you believe. Otherwise you wouldn't have felt the need to fly a shipper flag. ;) But that doesn't mean I don't think you're a fan. I'm not THAT stupid, lol, and that's not for me to say anyway (and I wouldn't say any of this if it wasn't you I was talking to). I don't believe EJ's dialogue that day negates the Taylor fiasco where he was barely even thinking about Sami. I also don't think it negates what followed at the beginning of MarDar's run when they barely crossed paths. Despite any dreams he had, I don't think he loved her after she shot him. There's also a period near the beginning when I don't think he wanted her (at the beginning of the flip floppy writing). Mostly, though, I don't think absolutes are true. He hasn't always loved her and he hasn't never loved her (BEAUTIFUL sentence structure).
It's like you don't even know me, LIEsee. :facepalm:

My need to fly a shipper flag is due to the fact that it confounds me that I still ship them no matter what. As much as I'd like to be able to step back and look at them objectively, I know I don't and I can't. That's why I fly the flag...I'm letting y'all know that what I'm about to spew is going to sound like nonsense to the people that don't love that pairing like I do - but here it comes anyway. :lol:

I'm admitting my unexplainable bias up front to save us all a little bit of time and effort. :shrug:

It doesn't mean that I don't agree with Soapy about wanting to deliver a swift kick to EJ's frank and beans...or however she put that yesterday. And after the shooting I spent months saying I hoped EJ would actually find someone else because I was sick of Sami stomping on our his heart. I mean, the bitch SHOT him in the HEAD for gosh sakes! :glare:

But yeah...I absolutely believe that EJ has loved Sami from right around the time of the whole 12/29 scenes. I've always said I feel like he thought he'd be able to just waltz out of Salem, mission accomplished and not worry about her again (aside from the fact that he'd have to make sure his planted seed took. :yuk: ) but after he was gone he realized differently. Even during Taylor and the various rounds of EJole and being the mayor and all that crap, I've always thought that EJ would have jumped at the chance to truly be with Sami and have her return his feelings. Even when he was so angry with her after the shooting and forcing her away from Johnny, etc. I felt like it was driven by his underlying hurt. And the hurt came from the fact that he still loved her even though there was absolutely no reason why he should. I like to think it probably pissed him off as much or more as my inability to stop shipping them has me. :$
There's a wee little part of me that still feels the way you do, Soc. And I love that you can still fly your freaky shipper flag but I'm not feeling it currently.

Yes, I agree that it's always seemed as though EJ loved Sami, at least that's how JS played it. Even after Sami shot him in the head (PS She's still a bitch for that), he admitted that he loved her & even dreamt about kissing her. And since I am of the firm belief that most of 2010 & 2011 never happened, I can go along with him still loving Sami during this scarf sniffing mess y'all keep referring to, that I have no recollection of. B-)

However, I cannot, even if I think EJ still loves Sami, be okay with him letting Sprout climb his bean stalk...REPEATEDLY!! To me, this is on level with Bitch shooting him in the head. I was done with Sami then, & I'm pretty much done with EJ now. And, to add insult to injury, the fact that EJ is so incredibly HAWT, does not keep me from loathing him entirely.

I just think he's a freaking HAWT cad.

And this makes my Soapy heart sad.
THIS is pretty much exactly how I feel, Soapy.

I could spit fire at EJ these days. Even after he effectively flicked the buggar that is Abby off his finger the other day. I'm not sure I'll ever forgive him for this crap...even if Sami does.

But I've learned over the years that no matter how pissed off and disgusted I get with them...I still prefer them together than apart or with anyone else.

And I know I'll feel a whole lot better about things if we get to see Samantha Gene rain molten lava all over Eeeej's dangly bits after stringing Sprout upside down by her training bra in the middle of Horton Square before this is all said and done. But maybe that's just me. B-)
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Feb 26 2014, 01:41 PM
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Feb 26 2014, 01:29 PM
See, this is why I don't get all cliff jumping from Ejami's or celebrating from anti-Ejami's about this Ejabby storyline. To me, this is much less of a hiccup than Ejami has faced in the past. Back in early 2011, EJ had zero love for Sami, was in love with a scarf and hired a stranger to fuck her pretending to be her husband. Talk about a low point. Don't get me wrong, I HATE the Ejabby storyline, but it's still beyond obvious that EJ loves Sami in spite of his stupidity and that Sami loves EJ in spite of her daily screeching. Yes, cheating is bad, but compared to what they did to and how they felt about each other in the past, I don't get the big deal here. I mean, Ejami is obviously going to break up because AS is leaving, but if she wasn't, I'd just consider this another bump in the road.
It's definitely a minor issue compared to the other things that they've overcome, but this is a bit harder to take because it came out of nowhere. EJ's extreme overreactions to things that Sami did to him made a twisted kind of sense. This time, EJ just sabotaged himself for no good reason at all. I don't think this is the kind of thing that would end ejami for good, but it would have changed their relationship for good.
Kidnappings, shootings, cruelty and revenge are part of what make Ejami great. Cheating with the babysitter just takes them from larger than life to common.
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

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Feb 26 2014, 01:50 PM
Sigh. I accidentally deleted the part that said "that's why I love you." You'll have to guess where it went.
Ummm...I'm going to need you to go back and edit it so we can all know where you intended it.
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Feb 26 2014, 01:29 PM
See, this is why I don't get all cliff jumping from Ejami's or celebrating from anti-Ejami's about this Ejabby storyline. To me, this is much less of a hiccup than Ejami has faced in the past. Back in early 2011, EJ had zero love for Sami, was in love with a scarf and hired a stranger to fuck her pretending to be her husband. Talk about a low point. Don't get me wrong, I HATE the Ejabby storyline, but it's still beyond obvious that EJ loves Sami in spite of his stupidity and that Sami loves EJ in spite of her daily screeching. Yes, cheating is bad, but compared to what they did to and how they felt about each other in the past, I don't get the big deal here. I mean, Ejami is obviously going to break up because AS is leaving, but if she wasn't, I'd just consider this another bump in the road.
It's definitely a minor issue compared to the other things that they've overcome, but this is a bit harder to take because it came out of nowhere. EJ's extreme overreactions to things that Sami did to him made a twisted kind of sense. This time, EJ just sabotaged himself for no good reason at all. I don't think this is the kind of thing that would end ejami for good, but it would have changed their relationship for good.
I don't know, I just always feel like this show has been so overwhelmingly plot driven for the past six years that I find it hard to find any character absolutes or consistent motivations ever. This is just another story in a long line of WTF stories plaguing Ejami, and I'm sure it would've been eventually washed away like all the others if AS wasn't leaving. Regardless, of whether he loved Taylor in early 2011 or Nicole in late 2011-early 2012 (which I think he did), it's obvious to me that Sami has been the great love of his life. I don't need to believe that he always loved her to know that's true.
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Feb 26 2014, 01:54 PM
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Feb 26 2014, 01:29 PM
See, this is why I don't get all cliff jumping from Ejami's or celebrating from anti-Ejami's about this Ejabby storyline. To me, this is much less of a hiccup than Ejami has faced in the past. Back in early 2011, EJ had zero love for Sami, was in love with a scarf and hired a stranger to fuck her pretending to be her husband. Talk about a low point. Don't get me wrong, I HATE the Ejabby storyline, but it's still beyond obvious that EJ loves Sami in spite of his stupidity and that Sami loves EJ in spite of her daily screeching. Yes, cheating is bad, but compared to what they did to and how they felt about each other in the past, I don't get the big deal here. I mean, Ejami is obviously going to break up because AS is leaving, but if she wasn't, I'd just consider this another bump in the road.
It's definitely a minor issue compared to the other things that they've overcome, but this is a bit harder to take because it came out of nowhere. EJ's extreme overreactions to things that Sami did to him made a twisted kind of sense. This time, EJ just sabotaged himself for no good reason at all. I don't think this is the kind of thing that would end ejami for good, but it would have changed their relationship for good.
I don't know, I just always feel like this show has been so overwhelmingly plot driven for the past six years that I find it hard to find any character absolutes or consistent motivations ever. This is just another story in a long line of WTF stories plaguing Ejami, and I'm sure it would've been eventually washed away like all the others if AS wasn't leaving. Regardless, of whether he loved Taylor in early 2011 or Nicole in late 2011-early 2012 (which I think he did), it's obvious to me that Sami has been the great love of his life. I don't need to believe that he always loved her to know that's true.
Oh, I agree. The only reason I enjoy the show is a due to a combination of fanwanking, lowered expectations and just going for the ride that the writers have created. It's just that up until this point, the show always had Sami do something wrong (that the writers tried to spin as heroic) for EJ to react to. And it was easy for me to believe that they could deal with their issues, break the pattern, and make each other happy.
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Feb 26 2014, 12:59 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepToo bad Sami is the one and only one Ej has ever wanted. Ej is well aware of Sami's flaws just like Sami is well aware of his. They are perfectly imperfect for each other. Ej has put up a lot of shit for Sami over the years without blinking once I won't mention names of anyone he did want because it upsets my Soapy
It's like you don't even know me, LIEsee. :facepalm:

My need to fly a shipper flag is due to the fact that it confounds me that I still ship them no matter what. As much as I'd like to be able to step back and look at them objectively, I know I don't and I can't. That's why I fly the flag...I'm letting y'all know that what I'm about to spew is going to sound like nonsense to the people that don't love that pairing like I do - but here it comes anyway. :lol:

I'm admitting my unexplainable bias up front to save us all a little bit of time and effort. :shrug:

It doesn't mean that I don't agree with Soapy about wanting to deliver a swift kick to EJ's frank and beans...or however she put that yesterday. And after the shooting I spent months saying I hoped EJ would actually find someone else because I was sick of Sami stomping on our his heart. I mean, the bitch SHOT him in the HEAD for gosh sakes! :glare:

But yeah...I absolutely believe that EJ has loved Sami from right around the time of the whole 12/29 scenes. I've always said I feel like he thought he'd be able to just waltz out of Salem, mission accomplished and not worry about her again (aside from the fact that he'd have to make sure his planted seed took. :yuk: ) but after he was gone he realized differently. Even during Taylor and the various rounds of EJole and being the mayor and all that crap, I've always thought that EJ would have jumped at the chance to truly be with Sami and have her return his feelings. Even when he was so angry with her after the shooting and forcing her away from Johnny, etc. I felt like it was driven by his underlying hurt. And the hurt came from the fact that he still loved her even though there was absolutely no reason why he should. I like to think it probably pissed him off as much or more as my inability to stop shipping them has me. :$
There's a wee little part of me that still feels the way you do, Soc. And I love that you can still fly your freaky shipper flag but I'm not feeling it currently.

Yes, I agree that it's always seemed as though EJ loved Sami, at least that's how JS played it. Even after Sami shot him in the head (PS She's still a bitch for that), he admitted that he loved her & even dreamt about kissing her. And since I am of the firm belief that most of 2010 & 2011 never happened, I can go along with him still loving Sami during this scarf sniffing mess y'all keep referring to, that I have no recollection of. B-)

However, I cannot, even if I think EJ still loves Sami, be okay with him letting Sprout climb his bean stalk...REPEATEDLY!! To me, this is on level with Bitch shooting him in the head. I was done with Sami then, & I'm pretty much done with EJ now. And, to add insult to injury, the fact that EJ is so incredibly HAWT, does not keep me from loathing him entirely.

I just think he's a freaking HAWT cad.

And this makes my Soapy heart sad.
THIS is pretty much exactly how I feel, Soapy.

I could spit fire at EJ these days. Even after he effectively flicked the buggar that is Abby off his finger the other day. I'm not sure I'll ever forgive him for this crap...even if Sami does.

But I've learned over the years that no matter how pissed off and disgusted I get with them...I still prefer them together than apart or with anyone else.

And I know I'll feel a whole lot better about things if we get to see Samantha Gene rain molten lava all over Eeeej's dangly bits after stringing Sprout upside down by her training bra in the middle of Horton Square before this is all said and done. But maybe that's just me. B-)
This is why we're joined in cyber matrimony. :wub2:
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepToo bad Sami is the one and only one Ej has ever wanted. Ej is well aware of Sami's flaws just like Sami is well aware of his. They are perfectly imperfect for each other. Ej has put up a lot of shit for Sami over the years without blinking once I won't mention names of anyone he did want because it upsets my Soapy
It's like you don't even know me, LIEsee. :facepalm:

My need to fly a shipper flag is due to the fact that it confounds me that I still ship them no matter what. As much as I'd like to be able to step back and look at them objectively, I know I don't and I can't. That's why I fly the flag...I'm letting y'all know that what I'm about to spew is going to sound like nonsense to the people that don't love that pairing like I do - but here it comes anyway. :lol:

I'm admitting my unexplainable bias up front to save us all a little bit of time and effort. :shrug:

It doesn't mean that I don't agree with Soapy about wanting to deliver a swift kick to EJ's frank and beans...or however she put that yesterday. And after the shooting I spent months saying I hoped EJ would actually find someone else because I was sick of Sami stomping on our his heart. I mean, the bitch SHOT him in the HEAD for gosh sakes! :glare:

But yeah...I absolutely believe that EJ has loved Sami from right around the time of the whole 12/29 scenes. I've always said I feel like he thought he'd be able to just waltz out of Salem, mission accomplished and not worry about her again (aside from the fact that he'd have to make sure his planted seed took. :yuk: ) but after he was gone he realized differently. Even during Taylor and the various rounds of EJole and being the mayor and all that crap, I've always thought that EJ would have jumped at the chance to truly be with Sami and have her return his feelings. Even when he was so angry with her after the shooting and forcing her away from Johnny, etc. I felt like it was driven by his underlying hurt. And the hurt came from the fact that he still loved her even though there was absolutely no reason why he should. I like to think it probably pissed him off as much or more as my inability to stop shipping them has me. :$
Your explanation of your flag kind of proved my point but I'll let you go on as is, lol.
I feel like the criticle things missing from this conversation are a firepit, smores and most importantly, Brewy.
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Sigh. I accidentally deleted the part that said "that's why I love you." You'll have to guess where it went.
Ummm...I'm going to need you to go back and edit it so we can all know where you intended it.
And add "and Soapy" to the end of that quote.
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Sigh. I accidentally deleted the part that said "that's why I love you." You'll have to guess where it went.
Ummm...I'm going to need you to go back and edit it so we can all know where you intended it.
And add "and Soapy" to the end of that quote.
Not after your last post. :flipoff:
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

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Sigh. I accidentally deleted the part that said "that's why I love you." You'll have to guess where it went.
Ummm...I'm going to need you to go back and edit it so we can all know where you intended it.
And add "and Soapy" to the end of that quote.
Not after your last post. :flipoff:
And suddenly...my day is MADE. :cloud9:
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See, this is why I don't get all cliff jumping from Ejami's or celebrating from anti-Ejami's about this Ejabby storyline. To me, this is much less of a hiccup than Ejami has faced in the past. Back in early 2011, EJ had zero love for Sami, was in love with a scarf and hired a stranger to fuck her pretending to be her husband. Talk about a low point. Don't get me wrong, I HATE the Ejabby storyline, but it's still beyond obvious that EJ loves Sami in spite of his stupidity and that Sami loves EJ in spite of her daily screeching. Yes, cheating is bad, but compared to what they did to and how they felt about each other in the past, I don't get the big deal here. I mean, Ejami is obviously going to break up because AS is leaving, but if she wasn't, I'd just consider this another bump in the road.
It's definitely a minor issue compared to the other things that they've overcome, but this is a bit harder to take because it came out of nowhere. EJ's extreme overreactions to things that Sami did to him made a twisted kind of sense. This time, EJ just sabotaged himself for no good reason at all. I don't think this is the kind of thing that would end ejami for good, but it would have changed their relationship for good.
I don't know, I just always feel like this show has been so overwhelmingly plot driven for the past six years that I find it hard to find any character absolutes or consistent motivations ever. This is just another story in a long line of WTF stories plaguing Ejami, and I'm sure it would've been eventually washed away like all the others if AS wasn't leaving. Regardless, of whether he loved Taylor in early 2011 or Nicole in late 2011-early 2012 (which I think he did), it's obvious to me that Sami has been the great love of his life. I don't need to believe that he always loved her to know that's true.
Oh, I agree. The only reason I enjoy the show is a due to a combination of fanwanking, lowered expectations and just going for the ride that the writers have created. It's just that up until this point, the show always had Sami do something wrong (that the writers tried to spin as heroic) for EJ to react to. And it was easy for me to believe that they could deal with their issues, break the pattern, and make each other happy.
Yeah, I think in this case, EJ's motivation was a little flimsy, but at least the writers tried to give him one. They spent two months specifically (and about 7 months indirectly) building up to EJ feeling so rejected by Sami that he'd cheat on her. By Days' low standards, that's a HUGE amount of character build before a SHOCKING TWIST! I mean, look at EJ's motivation build up in comparison to Abby who just apparently randomly decided one day that casual sex with an almost-married criminal who had harmed many members of her family was a-okay! The lack of concern the writers have for Abby's character is hysterical.
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I don't know, I just always feel like this show has been so overwhelmingly plot driven for the past six years that I find it hard to find any character absolutes or consistent motivations ever. This is just another story in a long line of WTF stories plaguing Ejami, and I'm sure it would've been eventually washed away like all the others if AS wasn't leaving. Regardless, of whether he loved Taylor in early 2011 or Nicole in late 2011-early 2012 (which I think he did), it's obvious to me that Sami has been the great love of his life. I don't need to believe that he always loved her to know that's true.
Oh, I agree. The only reason I enjoy the show is a due to a combination of fanwanking, lowered expectations and just going for the ride that the writers have created. It's just that up until this point, the show always had Sami do something wrong (that the writers tried to spin as heroic) for EJ to react to. And it was easy for me to believe that they could deal with their issues, break the pattern, and make each other happy.
Yeah, I think in this case, EJ's motivation was a little flimsy, but at least the writers tried to give him one. They spent two months specifically (and about 7 months indirectly) building up to EJ feeling so rejected by Sami that he'd cheat on her. By Days' low standards, that's a HUGE amount of character build before a SHOCKING TWIST! I mean, look at EJ's motivation build up in comparison to Abby who just apparently randomly decided one day that casual sex with an almost-married criminal who had harmed many members of her family was a-okay! The lack of concern the writers have for Abby's character is hysterical.
Don't forget the connection he felt to Abby talking about angel wings. That's HUGE!
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Sigh. I accidentally deleted the part that said "that's why I love you." You'll have to guess where it went.
Ummm...I'm going to need you to go back and edit it so we can all know where you intended it.
And add "and Soapy" to the end of that quote.
Not after your last post. :flipoff:
This hurts my heart, Lizella.
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

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I don't know, I just always feel like this show has been so overwhelmingly plot driven for the past six years that I find it hard to find any character absolutes or consistent motivations ever. This is just another story in a long line of WTF stories plaguing Ejami, and I'm sure it would've been eventually washed away like all the others if AS wasn't leaving. Regardless, of whether he loved Taylor in early 2011 or Nicole in late 2011-early 2012 (which I think he did), it's obvious to me that Sami has been the great love of his life. I don't need to believe that he always loved her to know that's true.
Oh, I agree. The only reason I enjoy the show is a due to a combination of fanwanking, lowered expectations and just going for the ride that the writers have created. It's just that up until this point, the show always had Sami do something wrong (that the writers tried to spin as heroic) for EJ to react to. And it was easy for me to believe that they could deal with their issues, break the pattern, and make each other happy.
Yeah, I think in this case, EJ's motivation was a little flimsy, but at least the writers tried to give him one. They spent two months specifically (and about 7 months indirectly) building up to EJ feeling so rejected by Sami that he'd cheat on her. By Days' low standards, that's a HUGE amount of character build before a SHOCKING TWIST! I mean, look at EJ's motivation build up in comparison to Abby who just apparently randomly decided one day that casual sex with an almost-married criminal who had harmed many members of her family was a-okay! The lack of concern the writers have for Abby's character is hysterical.
But Tom...she KNOWS him.

That makes everything a-okay. :rolleyes:
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Oh, I agree. The only reason I enjoy the show is a due to a combination of fanwanking, lowered expectations and just going for the ride that the writers have created. It's just that up until this point, the show always had Sami do something wrong (that the writers tried to spin as heroic) for EJ to react to. And it was easy for me to believe that they could deal with their issues, break the pattern, and make each other happy.
Yeah, I think in this case, EJ's motivation was a little flimsy, but at least the writers tried to give him one. They spent two months specifically (and about 7 months indirectly) building up to EJ feeling so rejected by Sami that he'd cheat on her. By Days' low standards, that's a HUGE amount of character build before a SHOCKING TWIST! I mean, look at EJ's motivation build up in comparison to Abby who just apparently randomly decided one day that casual sex with an almost-married criminal who had harmed many members of her family was a-okay! The lack of concern the writers have for Abby's character is hysterical.
Don't forget the connection he felt to Abby talking about angel wings. That's HUGE!
Everytime Ejabby boinks an angel gets it's wings??
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