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May 10 2014, 05:46 PM
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Yeah. I just don't like Eric and Nicole together. I thought they were a boring mis-match from the start.
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May 10 2014, 06:04 PM
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Personally, the reason I put some blame on Fetch for the Ericole story sucking is because of how it's written. Ericole's scenes are rarely about them. The dialogue props Fetch constantly. They're not even allowed to have a marriage proposal without talking about Dan and Jen. Nicole's story would still suck, but at least they could talk about their own relationship and their individual issues. Instead, they're talking about how great Dan is. All. the. time. There's plenty of real drama for Eric and Nicole -- how is Eric dealing with his rape or with leaving the church, how is Nicole helping him adjust to a physical relationship, how about his family's dislike of her? We haven't gotten any of that yet, but we have gotten Ericole being audience members at The Dan and Jen Show.
Yes, the Ericole story sucks right now on its own, but it was going okay until they changed them to understudies in their own plot.
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May 10 2014, 06:12 PM
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Personally, the reason I put some blame on Fetch for the Ericole story sucking is because of how it's written. Ericole's scenes are rarely about them. The dialogue props Fetch constantly. They're not even allowed to have a marriage proposal without talking about Dan and Jen. Nicole's story would still suck, but at least they could talk about their own relationship and their individual issues. Instead, they're talking about how great Dan is. All. the. time. There's plenty of real drama for Eric and Nicole -- how is Eric dealing with his rape or with leaving the church, how is Nicole helping him adjust to a physical relationship, how about his family's dislike of her? We haven't gotten any of that yet, but we have gotten Ericole being audience members at The Dan and Jen Show.
Yes, the Ericole story sucks right now on its own, but it was going okay until they changed them to understudies in their own plot. I don't like the four characters being tied at the hip, and I'm tired of Daniel being the hero in every storyine, but it still doesn't change the fact that Nicole destroyed the evidence, killed a man for self-serving reasons, is lying, and will now apparently sleep with Eric without him knowing the full extent of the situation.
Nicole would be reverting back to her old ways of being a desperate, conniving schemer without Fetch being involved. That's on her.
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May 10 2014, 06:29 PM
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But still, my God, on the 5/1 episode, Nicole is in the hospital waiting for her x-ray and Eric is all worried about her and loving her and as soon as he leaves the room all she can think about is how to get the original photo and smashing that phone with the chair............. what is she the devil incarnate...... major side-eye at the writing.........
Nicole was always WAY more like Kristen than she wants to admit. She took a brief reprieve from it last year, but she's ALWAYS been more villainous than heroine. Forgetting kidnapping Sami's daugter, this is the same woman who put a hit out on Marlena. And yeah, she's become very unlikeable lately. Of course, I never liked her pairing with Eric in the first place, so I'm fine with it being over. I like Nicole as the bad girl. Now just give her a martini and a man as devious as her, and we're in business.
Yeah I know what you mean. I also don't really mind if characters are written to be bad or villains, but it's the hypocrisy is that isn't going to sit well with me. That's the most when I'm at my dislikement for certain characters, when they get up on their high horses and pretend they're better than someone else. That I can't accept. (But I'm trying to avoid turning this to be about Kristen lol, because I'm trying to defend the awful writing for Nicole and I don't want that thwarted by anything Kristen vs. Nicole because then I can't be on Team Nicole anymore lol) RE Kristen vs Nicole.
But just think how good the game will be.
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May 10 2014, 06:30 PM
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Personally, the reason I put some blame on Fetch for the Ericole story sucking is because of how it's written. Ericole's scenes are rarely about them. The dialogue props Fetch constantly. They're not even allowed to have a marriage proposal without talking about Dan and Jen. Nicole's story would still suck, but at least they could talk about their own relationship and their individual issues. Instead, they're talking about how great Dan is. All. the. time. There's plenty of real drama for Eric and Nicole -- how is Eric dealing with his rape or with leaving the church, how is Nicole helping him adjust to a physical relationship, how about his family's dislike of her? We haven't gotten any of that yet, but we have gotten Ericole being audience members at The Dan and Jen Show.
Yes, the Ericole story sucks right now on its own, but it was going okay until they changed them to understudies in their own plot.
I don't like the four characters being tied at the hip, and I'm tired of Daniel being the hero in every storyine, but it still doesn't change the fact that Nicole destroyed the evidence, killed a man for self-serving reasons, is lying, and will now apparently sleep with Eric without him knowing the full extent of the situation. Nicole would be reverting back to her old ways of being a desperate, conniving schemer without Fetch being involved. That's on her. She didn't kill Liam.
He fell back on a tree branch.
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May 10 2014, 06:34 PM
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Personally, the reason I put some blame on Fetch for the Ericole story sucking is because of how it's written. Ericole's scenes are rarely about them. The dialogue props Fetch constantly. They're not even allowed to have a marriage proposal without talking about Dan and Jen. Nicole's story would still suck, but at least they could talk about their own relationship and their individual issues. Instead, they're talking about how great Dan is. All. the. time. There's plenty of real drama for Eric and Nicole -- how is Eric dealing with his rape or with leaving the church, how is Nicole helping him adjust to a physical relationship, how about his family's dislike of her? We haven't gotten any of that yet, but we have gotten Ericole being audience members at The Dan and Jen Show.
Yes, the Ericole story sucks right now on its own, but it was going okay until they changed them to understudies in their own plot.
I don't like the four characters being tied at the hip, and I'm tired of Daniel being the hero in every storyine, but it still doesn't change the fact that Nicole destroyed the evidence, killed a man for self-serving reasons, is lying, and will now apparently sleep with Eric without him knowing the full extent of the situation. Nicole would be reverting back to her old ways of being a desperate, conniving schemer without Fetch being involved. That's on her. But I do find the parallels between Nicole and EJ amusing. I just don't know if I should give the writers credit for this or whether it is entirely coincidental.
"but it still doesn't change the fact that Nicole destroyed the evidence, killed a man for self-serving reasons, is lying, and will now apparently sleep with Eric without him knowing the full extent of the situation"
We could almost apply filters.
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May 10 2014, 06:50 PM
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Personally, the reason I put some blame on Fetch for the Ericole story sucking is because of how it's written. Ericole's scenes are rarely about them. The dialogue props Fetch constantly. They're not even allowed to have a marriage proposal without talking about Dan and Jen. Nicole's story would still suck, but at least they could talk about their own relationship and their individual issues. Instead, they're talking about how great Dan is. All. the. time. There's plenty of real drama for Eric and Nicole -- how is Eric dealing with his rape or with leaving the church, how is Nicole helping him adjust to a physical relationship, how about his family's dislike of her? We haven't gotten any of that yet, but we have gotten Ericole being audience members at The Dan and Jen Show.
Yes, the Ericole story sucks right now on its own, but it was going okay until they changed them to understudies in their own plot.
I don't like the four characters being tied at the hip, and I'm tired of Daniel being the hero in every storyine, but it still doesn't change the fact that Nicole destroyed the evidence, killed a man for self-serving reasons, is lying, and will now apparently sleep with Eric without him knowing the full extent of the situation. Nicole would be reverting back to her old ways of being a desperate, conniving schemer without Fetch being involved. That's on her. We get it, you really don't like Nicole.
She didn't kill anyone, though. Liam was killed by a tree (or something).
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May 10 2014, 06:59 PM
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Personally, the reason I put some blame on Fetch for the Ericole story sucking is because of how it's written. Ericole's scenes are rarely about them. The dialogue props Fetch constantly. They're not even allowed to have a marriage proposal without talking about Dan and Jen. Nicole's story would still suck, but at least they could talk about their own relationship and their individual issues. Instead, they're talking about how great Dan is. All. the. time. There's plenty of real drama for Eric and Nicole -- how is Eric dealing with his rape or with leaving the church, how is Nicole helping him adjust to a physical relationship, how about his family's dislike of her? We haven't gotten any of that yet, but we have gotten Ericole being audience members at The Dan and Jen Show.
Yes, the Ericole story sucks right now on its own, but it was going okay until they changed them to understudies in their own plot.
I don't like the four characters being tied at the hip, and I'm tired of Daniel being the hero in every storyine, but it still doesn't change the fact that Nicole destroyed the evidence, killed a man for self-serving reasons, is lying, and will now apparently sleep with Eric without him knowing the full extent of the situation. Nicole would be reverting back to her old ways of being a desperate, conniving schemer without Fetch being involved. That's on her.
She didn't kill Liam. He fell back on a tree branch. Ok, she attempted to kill him for self-serving reasons. I'm just tired of some trying to shift the blame away from Nicole and onto Daniel and Jennifer. They aren't th problem. If this story was Brady/Theresa/Eric/Nicole, instead of Fetch, it would still be Nicole's problem and responsibility. Removing Fetch doesn't change Nicole's character regression. [/b]
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May 10 2014, 07:12 PM
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Personally, the reason I put some blame on Fetch for the Ericole story sucking is because of how it's written. Ericole's scenes are rarely about them. The dialogue props Fetch constantly. They're not even allowed to have a marriage proposal without talking about Dan and Jen. Nicole's story would still suck, but at least they could talk about their own relationship and their individual issues. Instead, they're talking about how great Dan is. All. the. time. There's plenty of real drama for Eric and Nicole -- how is Eric dealing with his rape or with leaving the church, how is Nicole helping him adjust to a physical relationship, how about his family's dislike of her? We haven't gotten any of that yet, but we have gotten Ericole being audience members at The Dan and Jen Show.
Yes, the Ericole story sucks right now on its own, but it was going okay until they changed them to understudies in their own plot.
I don't like the four characters being tied at the hip, and I'm tired of Daniel being the hero in every storyine, but it still doesn't change the fact that Nicole destroyed the evidence, killed a man for self-serving reasons, is lying, and will now apparently sleep with Eric without him knowing the full extent of the situation. Nicole would be reverting back to her old ways of being a desperate, conniving schemer without Fetch being involved. That's on her.
She didn't kill Liam. He fell back on a tree branch.
Ok, she attempted to kill him for self-serving reasons. I'm just tired of some trying to shift the blame away from Nicole and onto Daniel and Jennifer. They aren't th problem. If this story was Brady/Theresa/Eric/Nicole, instead of Fetch, it would still be Nicole's problem and responsibility. Removing Fetch doesn't change Nicole's character regression. [/b] She didn't go to the cabin with the intention of killing Liam. She went there to stop him from exposing her to Jennifer, which is a lot different from wanting to kill him. Seriously. Liam was the one who pulled a gun on her and Jennifer.
And I don't see anyone trying to blame Jennifer and Daniel for Nicole's mistakes. What I see are people frustrated with Dannifer's enormous role in a story that is supposed to be about Eric & Nicole.
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May 10 2014, 07:19 PM
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She didn't kill Liam. He fell back on a tree branch.
Ok, she attempted to kill him for self-serving reasons. I'm just tired of some trying to shift the blame away from Nicole and onto Daniel and Jennifer. They aren't th problem. If this story was Brady/Theresa/Eric/Nicole, instead of Fetch, it would still be Nicole's problem and responsibility. Removing Fetch doesn't change Nicole's character regression. [/b]
She didn't go to the cabin with the intention of killing Liam. She went there to stop him from exposing her to Jennifer, which is a lot different from wanting to kill him. Seriously. Liam was the one who pulled a gun on her and Jennifer. And I don't see anyone trying to blame Jennifer and Daniel for Nicole's mistakes. What I see are people frustrated with Dannifer's enormous role in a story that is supposed to be about Eric & Nicole. Well I've seen some people, especially in the article threads, say that the story got crappy for Eric and Nicole once Dannifer got involved. As if Nicole shredding evidence or lying wasn't the problem. Or as if she wouldn't have regressed without Dannifer being there. It's trying to deflect blame.
Some of y'all are making me defend Dan and Jenn, and I don't like it.
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May 10 2014, 07:28 PM
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Ok, she attempted to kill him for self-serving reasons. I'm just tired of some trying to shift the blame away from Nicole and onto Daniel and Jennifer. They aren't th problem. If this story was Brady/Theresa/Eric/Nicole, instead of Fetch, it would still be Nicole's problem and responsibility. Removing Fetch doesn't change Nicole's character regression. [/b]
She didn't go to the cabin with the intention of killing Liam. She went there to stop him from exposing her to Jennifer, which is a lot different from wanting to kill him. Seriously. Liam was the one who pulled a gun on her and Jennifer. And I don't see anyone trying to blame Jennifer and Daniel for Nicole's mistakes. What I see are people frustrated with Dannifer's enormous role in a story that is supposed to be about Eric & Nicole.
Well I've seen some people, especially in the article threads, say that the story got crappy for Eric and Nicole once Dannifer got involved. As if Nicole shredding evidence or lying wasn't the problem. Or as if she wouldn't have regressed without Dannifer being there. It's trying to deflect blame. Some of y'all are making me defend Dan and Jenn, and I don't like it. People complaining about Dannifer ruining Ericole's story does not mean that they think Nicole is innocent or that they are to blame for what she did. I just think a lot of Nicole/Ericole fans just feel that they would still be able to enjoy the Ericole scenes if Daniel and Jennifer weren't being propped to the high heavens. As someone else mentioned, even when Eric proposed to Nicole, the two of them still would not shut up about Daniel & Jennifer.
Nothing wrong with defending Dannifer in this case, they had nothing to do with what Nicole did. I'm just tired of them being front and center in a storyline that is not supposed to be about them.
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May 10 2014, 07:42 PM
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Personally, the reason I put some blame on Fetch for the Ericole story sucking is because of how it's written. Ericole's scenes are rarely about them. The dialogue props Fetch constantly. They're not even allowed to have a marriage proposal without talking about Dan and Jen. Nicole's story would still suck, but at least they could talk about their own relationship and their individual issues. Instead, they're talking about how great Dan is. All. the. time. There's plenty of real drama for Eric and Nicole -- how is Eric dealing with his rape or with leaving the church, how is Nicole helping him adjust to a physical relationship, how about his family's dislike of her? We haven't gotten any of that yet, but we have gotten Ericole being audience members at The Dan and Jen Show.
Yes, the Ericole story sucks right now on its own, but it was going okay until they changed them to understudies in their own plot.
I don't like the four characters being tied at the hip, and I'm tired of Daniel being the hero in every storyine, but it still doesn't change the fact that Nicole destroyed the evidence, killed a man for self-serving reasons, is lying, and will now apparently sleep with Eric without him knowing the full extent of the situation. Nicole would be reverting back to her old ways of being a desperate, conniving schemer without Fetch being involved. That's on her.
She didn't kill Liam. He fell back on a tree branch.
Ok, she attempted to kill him for self-serving reasons. I'm just tired of some trying to shift the blame away from Nicole and onto Daniel and Jennifer. They aren't th problem. If this story was Brady/Theresa/Eric/Nicole, instead of Fetch, it would still be Nicole's problem and responsibility. Removing Fetch doesn't change Nicole's character regression. [/b] I'm not really worried about whether Nicole is doing bad things ( I didn't like the shredding the evidence segway it seemed to come out of nowhere and be a bad turn) that doesn't worry me. I don't blame Dan and Jen for wrecking Nicole's relationship with Eric that's all on her ( and his indecisiveness and lack of being able to convey what he feels strongly enough for her to have faith in him).
I complain about Dan and Jen because I don't like watching them. I don't like them interrupting the storyline of Eric and Nicole. I don't find Nicole and Eric going on about what great people they are entertaining. I'd just really rather not see Dan and Jen.
Imagine John and Marlena are getting back together. John does something irredeemably stupid out of left field and then Dan and Jen are inserted into the storyline. People are desperate to see Marlena and John work through their issues but they don'y do that because they spend all their time talking about what great people Dan and Jen are and what they need to do to help Dan and Jen stay together. And you are just sitting on the edge of your seat waiting for John to confess what he did wrong and to see whether Marlena loves him enough to forgive him but you don't get that you get Dan forcing John to tell the truth.
Removing Fetch doesn't change Nicole's character regression but it does make it a lot more interesting to watch.
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May 10 2014, 07:51 PM
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I completely understand that point of view, not wanting Daniel and Jennifer involved because you don't find them entertaining, and becaue everything ends up being about them.
I was addressing those who think Daniel and Jennifer's interaction is the reason why Ericole now sucks. Ericole now sucks because of what Nicole did. I personally want her back with Brady anyway, so it doesn't bother me.
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May 10 2014, 07:58 PM
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May 10 2014, 08:10 PM
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Ericole's scenes are rarely about them. The dialogue props Fetch constantly. They're not even allowed to have a marriage proposal without talking about Dan and Jen.
WilSon wasn't allowed to have a honeymoon without discussing Nick's influence on Gabi. It was a valid concern, but really?
I blame tiic for all this. (the constant interference in both Ericole and WilSon)
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May 10 2014, 08:26 PM
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Ericole's scenes are rarely about them. The dialogue props Fetch constantly. They're not even allowed to have a marriage proposal without talking about Dan and Jen.
WilSon wasn't allowed to have a honeymoon without discussing Nick's influence on Gabi. It was a valid concern, but really? I blame tiic for all this. (the constant interference in both Ericole and WilSon) Edited a few times for clarity. But now Nick's dead , Gabi is leaving soon and EJ & Sami are leaving coming fall some time in October maybe early November with Sami.
Nick's the biggest interfere and he is dead so at some point Wilson should balance out till Adrienne opts to meddle maybe due to the fact its Will & Sonny w Arianna and w out basically a female influences so Adrienne interferes with her two cent even through Adrienne raised all boys. I could see Adrienne trying to sort of meddle because she missed out of having a daughter and Will & Sonny have Will's daughter in their care.
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May 10 2014, 11:17 PM
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Ericole's scenes are rarely about them. The dialogue props Fetch constantly. They're not even allowed to have a marriage proposal without talking about Dan and Jen.
WilSon wasn't allowed to have a honeymoon without discussing Nick's influence on Gabi. It was a valid concern, but really? I blame tiic for all this. (the constant interference in both Ericole and WilSon) Edited a few times for clarity. Oh, totally. There are some seriously questionable decisions being made by tiic. I like WilSon, but I find it hard to watch them because their scenes are about Nick and Gabi.
I feel your pain.
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and I feel your pain.
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I also agree that they threw years of story out the window by not allowing Nicole to have EJ's baby. Ejole didn't have to get back together, there would be many other storyline possibilities. Instead they decided to cut all ties between the characters. Not very soapy, if you ask me.
Other characters interact with their exes on a monthly basis, but EJ & Nicole haven't had a scene together since September 2013 (yes, I checked). I'm not gonna suddenly think they're reuniting or see it as "false hope" if they share a few scenes every month. I'd enjoy the scenes for what they were. Why waste the chemistry between the actors, not to mention the years of story they shared?
I do think it was wrong to kill off DR and that Nicole should have a baby, and itīs possible that it could have create interesting drama between Ej/Sami/Nicole and Eric, but if the Ejole scenes would have existed of just EJ dropping of or picking up DR it would have been pointless scenes for him and for him to have a child with a woman he doesnīt have a future with. Then itīs probably better for Nicole to have a child with Eric.
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May 11 2014, 04:06 AM
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But still, my God, on the 5/1 episode, Nicole is in the hospital waiting for her x-ray and Eric is all worried about her and loving her and as soon as he leaves the room all she can think about is how to get the original photo and smashing that phone with the chair............. what is she the devil incarnate...... major side-eye at the writing.........
Nicole was always WAY more like Kristen than she wants to admit. She took a brief reprieve from it last year, but she's ALWAYS been more villainous than heroine. Forgetting kidnapping Sami's daugter, this is the same woman who put a hit out on Marlena. And yeah, she's become very unlikeable lately. Of course, I never liked her pairing with Eric in the first place, so I'm fine with it being over. I like Nicole as the bad girl. Now just give her a martini and a man as devious as her, and we're in business.
Yeah I know what you mean. I also don't really mind if characters are written to be bad or villains, but it's the hypocrisy is that isn't going to sit well with me. That's the most when I'm at my dislikement for certain characters, when they get up on their high horses and pretend they're better than someone else. That I can't accept. (But I'm trying to avoid turning this to be about Kristen lol, because I'm trying to defend the awful writing for Nicole and I don't want that thwarted by anything Kristen vs. Nicole because then I can't be on Team Nicole anymore lol)
RE Kristen vs Nicole. But just think how good the game will be. Oh I definitely think it'll be good :D
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