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Monday, May 12th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: May 11 2014, 10:56 PM (23,596 Views)
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I didn't love that Lucas left Allie in the pub either....it seems everyone thought her being asleep was reason enough to leave her alone. I guess he was really needed at the hospital to be with all the other suspects. I do like to think Allie was comforted in a way being at the pub, seeing as how she knows it's Nick's favorite place. I can believe Nick was her fave cousin but they should bring up more than just the science homework, maybe. And I just liked seeing Lucas speak to his daughter....and I loved him crouching down to talk to her. Also seemed right for Allie to keep saying NO! insisting on being with Nick....there's a lot more grit and moxie to this child than we ever knew.
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Of course Julie and Maggie are going to treat Nick differently, because neither of them knows about Nick's attempted rape of Gabi. You can't have EVERYBODY being against Nick, lol. There's gotta be some angst in it somehow.
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Kate Mansi is giving her all in these scenes, but DAMN is the dude she's being paired with boring as sin. Loved Abby's flashbacks to Nick. I think they're setting her up as a suspect even though it clearly is not her, lol.

Camila Banus has grown so much as an actress over the past four years. I never thought I'd say this, but I will miss Gabi.

Hmm... Do Will and Sonny both think the other shot Nick with the gun? I wonder if Gabi came back to the apartment and found it!
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elci525
May 12 2014, 02:46 PM
I didn't love that Lucas left Allie in the pub either....it seems everyone thought her being asleep was enough to leave her alone. I guess he was really needed at the hospital to be with all the other suspects. I do like to think Allie was comforted in a way being at the pub, seeing as how she knows it's Nick favorite place. I can believe Nick was her fave cousin but they should bring up more than just the science homework, maybe. And I just liked seeing Lucas speak to his daughter....and I liked him crouching down to talk to her. Also seemed right for Allie to keep saying NO! insisting on being with Nick....there's a lot more grit and moxie to this child than we ever knew.
It also annoyed me that she couldn't go home because they didn't want Johnny and Sydney to see her like that, so they took her to the pub where Ciara, Ari, and Joey could see her like that.
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lysie
May 12 2014, 02:53 PM
elci525
May 12 2014, 02:46 PM
I didn't love that Lucas left Allie in the pub either....it seems everyone thought her being asleep was enough to leave her alone. I guess he was really needed at the hospital to be with all the other suspects. I do like to think Allie was comforted in a way being at the pub, seeing as how she knows it's Nick favorite place. I can believe Nick was her fave cousin but they should bring up more than just the science homework, maybe. And I just liked seeing Lucas speak to his daughter....and I liked him crouching down to talk to her. Also seemed right for Allie to keep saying NO! insisting on being with Nick....there's a lot more grit and moxie to this child than we ever knew.
It also annoyed me that she couldn't go home because they didn't want Johnny and Sydney to see her like that, so they took her to the pub where Ciara, Ari, and Joey could see her like that.
LOL oh right. How many rooms does this pub have? Maybe they are in the back part totally separated from the Allie part.
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May 12 2014, 02:15 PM
If this storyline doesn't, at some point, involve Julie learning that her precious Nick was, among other things, a homophobe, an extortionist, and an attempted rapist, I'm going to be really annoyed.
I think she already knows. Everytime someone brings up what nick did, including Nick, Julie is all "that's so 2013. You apologized. What else do they want from you."
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May 12 2014, 02:15 PM
If this storyline doesn't, at some point, involve Julie learning that her precious Nick was, among other things, a homophobe, an extortionist, and an attempted rapist, I'm going to be really annoyed.
I want EVERYONE exposed! EJ and Abby's affair! Sami, Kate, and Gabi hiding the fact they "killed" Nick last fall. Will shooting EJ. Sonny helping cover up all of their crimes. Sami and EJ hiring a hitman. That's all I've wanted from the beginning. If one bad apple has to fall, all of the bad apples need to come tumbling down. There are no innocent parties in this, and I mean the adults, not baby Ari.
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I don't have a problem with Julie finding out everything Nick did.....just as long as everrything Sami, EJ, Kate and Gabi did comes front and center too. I wish we could get an honest to goodness real trial out of this with one reveal after another on the witness stand.
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cryin4days
May 12 2014, 02:55 PM
Will&Sonny
May 12 2014, 02:15 PM
If this storyline doesn't, at some point, involve Julie learning that her precious Nick was, among other things, a homophobe, an extortionist, and an attempted rapist, I'm going to be really annoyed.
I want EVERYONE exposed! EJ and Abby's affair! Sami, Kate, and Gabi hiding the fact they "killed" Nick last fall. Will shooting EJ. Sonny helping cover up all of their crimes. Sami and EJ hiring a hitman. That's all I've wanted from the beginning. If one bad apple has to fall, all of the bad apples need to come tumbling down. There are no innocent parties in this, and I mean the adults, not baby Ari.
You beat me to the punch. :D
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Okay, that ending was pretty wicked. Loved Julie listing the suspects as the camera panned over each and every one of them and the nurse covered Nick's head with the sheet.

All in all, great Sweeps episode. RIP, Nick Fallon!
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cryin4days
May 12 2014, 02:55 PM
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May 12 2014, 02:15 PM
If this storyline doesn't, at some point, involve Julie learning that her precious Nick was, among other things, a homophobe, an extortionist, and an attempted rapist, I'm going to be really annoyed.
I want EVERYONE exposed! EJ and Abby's affair! Sami, Kate, and Gabi hiding the fact they "killed" Nick last fall. Will shooting EJ. Sonny helping cover up all of their crimes. Sami and EJ hiring a hitman. That's all I've wanted from the beginning. If one bad apple has to fall, all of the bad apples need to come tumbling down. There are no innocent parties in this, and I mean the adults, not baby Ari.
I have no problem with all of those things being exposed, mainly because I'm sick of seeing Will get blackmailed for shooting E.J. when he was a kid -- something that no jury would ever convict him of at this point, regardless of what Nick might have believed.

But, while I can agree with your "there are no innocent parties in this" statement on a purely surface-level basis, I have to disagree in the context of the original storyline involving Nick. Will was absolutely an innocent party in the beginning. Nick targeted Will simply because Will was gay and had dared to decide to raise a daughter as a gay man instead of handing that daughter over to Nick so that Nick could have a ready-made family to complete the white-picket-fence fantasy. E.J.'s shooting was none of Nick's business, but he made it his business because he needed a way to further his own agenda. Will never did anything to Nick to warrant the inexcusable behavior that Nick displayed toward Will, and Will was still a good enough person to put himself in danger and take a bullet while trying to save his miserable excuse for a cousin's life. And Nick's choices were made as an adult, not as a minor.
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Gabi looked absolutely shaken. I think that the way they played those scenes points to her guilt. I also noticed that they didn't show us much of her with the body after that montage. I wonder what she would have said? Camilla played her scenes beautifully today.

I'm going to miss Nick. I loved when the family agreed that they could have done better by him and that he deserved happiness. That shows how layered the character was and should have been, that he wasn't always just this evil entity. Well done.

I was nearly in tears until Julie said "That SNAKE EJ Dimera." Then I cackled. Never change, Julie.

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Why did a casting call go out for a beautiful African American woman a few months ago when they already have one working on the show......the actress who played the nurse who told EJ about his and Nicole's son dying and today had scenes concerning Nick. Make MaryBeth her kid sister who she's raising and you have a new family and more diverisity.
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lysie


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May 12 2014, 03:07 PM
cryin4days
May 12 2014, 02:55 PM
Will&Sonny
May 12 2014, 02:15 PM
If this storyline doesn't, at some point, involve Julie learning that her precious Nick was, among other things, a homophobe, an extortionist, and an attempted rapist, I'm going to be really annoyed.
I want EVERYONE exposed! EJ and Abby's affair! Sami, Kate, and Gabi hiding the fact they "killed" Nick last fall. Will shooting EJ. Sonny helping cover up all of their crimes. Sami and EJ hiring a hitman. That's all I've wanted from the beginning. If one bad apple has to fall, all of the bad apples need to come tumbling down. There are no innocent parties in this, and I mean the adults, not baby Ari.
I have no problem with all of those things being exposed, mainly because I'm sick of seeing Will get blackmailed for shooting E.J. when he was a kid -- something that no jury would ever convict him of at this point, regardless of what Nick might have believed.

But, while I can agree with your "there are no innocent parties in this" statement on a purely surface-level basis, I have to disagree in the context of the original storyline involving Nick. Will was absolutely an innocent party in the beginning. Nick targeted Will simply because Will was gay and had dared to decide to raise a daughter as a gay man instead of handing that daughter over to Nick so that Nick could have a ready-made family to complete the white-picket-fence fantasy. E.J.'s shooting was none of Nick's business, but he made it his business because he needed a way to further his own agenda. Will never did anything to Nick to warrant the inexcusable behavior that Nick displayed toward Will, and Will was still a good enough person to put himself in danger and take a bullet while trying to save his miserable excuse for a cousin's life. And Nick's choices were made as an adult, not as a minor.
I agree in the smaller context as subplot that includes only Nick, Sonny, Will, and initially even Gabi. But once Sami, EJ, and Kate got involved they derailed the whole thing, IMO.
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Couldn't Sami have gone and sat with Allie until she fell asleep? Her and EJ didn't need to be at the hospital.
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May 12 2014, 03:14 PM
Couldn't Sami have gone and sat with Allie until she fell asleep? Her and EJ didn't need to be at the hospital.
She had to make sure Nick was good and dead.
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lysie
May 12 2014, 02:39 PM
So I watched the whole episode. I have some major issues with the story as a whole, but I tried to pretend I didn't.

First of all, Lucas and Sami looked like absolute idiots with Allie. And absolute ugh to Lucas then leaving her at the pub. Those nightmares you keep saying she's going to have? THEY'RE GOING TO HAPPEN WHILE SHE'S ASLEEP SO DON'T LEAVE HER AT THE PUB WITH AN OLD CRAZY LADY. But my goodness. The Rose twins have stepped.it.up. Johnny who? They or she or whoever did really, really well.

Sami and EJ couldn't look more guilty if they were wearing Kill Nick Fallon t-shirts. I can barely even comprehend the idiocy of them going to the hospital. And apparently the kids woke up because on Friday's episode they were asleep, and then today they needed to hear more stories.

It is flat out amazing how much more likable Maggie is with the Hortons than she is with Daniel and Brady. Put her with her actual family, and that's Aunt Maggie, and that's who I loved.

Sonny, Arianna is still too young for that cow's milk you went out to buy her. Give it 8 days.

I thought SSH was really good, especially in the square when she was "protecting" Nick from everyone. I wish they'd bring in some more of her specific family, so that the relationship doesn't seem so contrived.

I wonder if Hope being family is going to end up causing an issue.

I'm on the fence about Kate. Ultimately, it was perfectly in character, and I didn't think it was as much of a caricature as the stuff at the river did. The part where she told Maggie was great. I wish she hadn't gone to the hospital, though.

I liked how KM played Abby's reactions, and I like the complexity they added to that. Actually, with the way they did her flashbacks, I'd have believed they were setting her up to be more of a suspect, but I don't think that will be the case.

The end was set up well, but I didn't like how Julie listed Will and Lucas as Will Horton and Lucas Horton. It just sounded weird. I also wish they'd have had her be a little more hesitant about listing all the family members. Also, she forgot Allie, lol.

In case anyone was keeping up, currently Allie, Ciara, Arianna, and presumably Joey are all at the pub.

So, an old lady who lives above the pub and is dealing with a full blown Alzheimers is taking care of a baby and three other 3rd graders. The Bradys are abusing poor Caroline. Someone should call an elder abuse hotline.

Ugh... I just hated what a shitty parents both Lucas and Sami are. What was the point of going to the hospital when their little girl was so traumatised? At least Lucas was raised by Kate so he doesn't know any better but Sami should know better.

About Julie saying Will and Lucas' full names and not Abigail, it just highlights the way the Hortons feel about Lucas and his kids.
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May 12 2014, 03:14 PM
Couldn't Sami have gone and sat with Allie until she fell asleep? Her and EJ didn't need to be at the hospital.
To be fair, neither did Lucas, but I am glad he at least stayed with her until she did fall asleep.
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lysie
May 12 2014, 02:39 PM
So I watched the whole episode. I have some major issues with the story as a whole, but I tried to pretend I didn't.

First of all, Lucas and Sami looked like absolute idiots with Allie. And absolute ugh to Lucas then leaving her at the pub. Those nightmares you keep saying she's going to have? THEY'RE GOING TO HAPPEN WHILE SHE'S ASLEEP SO DON'T LEAVE HER AT THE PUB WITH AN OLD CRAZY LADY. But my goodness. The Rose twins have stepped.it.up. Johnny who? They or she or whoever did really, really well.

Sami and EJ couldn't look more guilty if they were wearing Kill Nick Fallon t-shirts. I can barely even comprehend the idiocy of them going to the hospital. And apparently the kids woke up because on Friday's episode they were asleep, and then today they needed to hear more stories.

It is flat out amazing how much more likable Maggie is with the Hortons than she is with Daniel and Brady. Put her with her actual family, and that's Aunt Maggie, and that's who I loved.

Sonny, Arianna is still too young for that cow's milk you went out to buy her. Give it 8 days.

I thought SSH was really good, especially in the square when she was "protecting" Nick from everyone. I wish they'd bring in some more of her specific family, so that the relationship doesn't seem so contrived.

I wonder if Hope being family is going to end up causing an issue.

I'm on the fence about Kate. Ultimately, it was perfectly in character, and I didn't think it was as much of a caricature as the stuff at the river did. The part where she told Maggie was great. I wish she hadn't gone to the hospital, though.

I liked how KM played Abby's reactions, and I like the complexity they added to that. Actually, with the way they did her flashbacks, I'd have believed they were setting her up to be more of a suspect, but I don't think that will be the case.

The end was set up well, but I didn't like how Julie listed Will and Lucas as Will Horton and Lucas Horton. It just sounded weird. I also wish they'd have had her be a little more hesitant about listing all the family members. Also, she forgot Allie, lol.

In case anyone was keeping up, currently Allie, Ciara, Arianna, and presumably Joey are all at the pub.

I took it that Arianna was with Grandma Marlena but yeah, if she is with Caroline ,she and Kayla sure have their hands full. Especially dealing with a child who has just seen her favorite cousin die before her eyes. In the meantime, cold hearted Grandma Kate is downstairs at the bar sipping wine with a smirk on her face. Poor Allie will be traumatized for life, not just because she saw so much blood but because she has such a heartless mother and grandmother.
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May 12 2014, 03:17 PM
lysie
May 12 2014, 02:39 PM
So I watched the whole episode. I have some major issues with the story as a whole, but I tried to pretend I didn't.

First of all, Lucas and Sami looked like absolute idiots with Allie. And absolute ugh to Lucas then leaving her at the pub. Those nightmares you keep saying she's going to have? THEY'RE GOING TO HAPPEN WHILE SHE'S ASLEEP SO DON'T LEAVE HER AT THE PUB WITH AN OLD CRAZY LADY. But my goodness. The Rose twins have stepped.it.up. Johnny who? They or she or whoever did really, really well.

Sami and EJ couldn't look more guilty if they were wearing Kill Nick Fallon t-shirts. I can barely even comprehend the idiocy of them going to the hospital. And apparently the kids woke up because on Friday's episode they were asleep, and then today they needed to hear more stories.

It is flat out amazing how much more likable Maggie is with the Hortons than she is with Daniel and Brady. Put her with her actual family, and that's Aunt Maggie, and that's who I loved.

Sonny, Arianna is still too young for that cow's milk you went out to buy her. Give it 8 days.

I thought SSH was really good, especially in the square when she was "protecting" Nick from everyone. I wish they'd bring in some more of her specific family, so that the relationship doesn't seem so contrived.

I wonder if Hope being family is going to end up causing an issue.

I'm on the fence about Kate. Ultimately, it was perfectly in character, and I didn't think it was as much of a caricature as the stuff at the river did. The part where she told Maggie was great. I wish she hadn't gone to the hospital, though.

I liked how KM played Abby's reactions, and I like the complexity they added to that. Actually, with the way they did her flashbacks, I'd have believed they were setting her up to be more of a suspect, but I don't think that will be the case.

The end was set up well, but I didn't like how Julie listed Will and Lucas as Will Horton and Lucas Horton. It just sounded weird. I also wish they'd have had her be a little more hesitant about listing all the family members. Also, she forgot Allie, lol.

In case anyone was keeping up, currently Allie, Ciara, Arianna, and presumably Joey are all at the pub.

I took it that Arianna was with Grandma Marlena but yeah, if she is with Caroline ,she and Kayla sure have their hands full. Especially dealing with a child who has just seen her favorite cousin die before her eyes. In the meantime, cold hearted Grandma Kate is downstairs at the bar sipping wine with a smirk on her face. Poor Allie will be traumatized for life, not just because she saw so much blood but because she has such a heartless mother and grandmother.
They had said earlier (before Will talked to "grandma") that she was at the pub.

At least Kayla is helping? Lol
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