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Monday, May 12th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: May 11 2014, 10:56 PM (23,592 Views)
PALMommy
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lysie
May 12 2014, 03:25 PM
Oh! One other thing. EJ is such a douchebag. I'd expect him to lie about his phone conversation, because duh. But to turn it on Sami like that? I'm starting to have doubts, but for the most part I'm not expecting a big break up when the Abby things comes out; however, the way he's been treating Sami since January has been pretty horrid, and it will be disappointing if Sami doesn't ever connect those dots and get to punch him repeatedly in the face for it. If she wanted to be with someone who was annoyed at having to clean up her messes, she could have stayed with Rafe.
It's days like today's Days that I revisit my theory that Sami has known about those photos for awhile and is playing EJ for the fool and biding her time. I mean look, she's able to get Nick killed for blackmailing her and the Coven by agreeing/encouraging EJ to proceed with the hit on Nick and IF she knows about Ejabby pics,she KNOWS why EJ really wants him dead. She could deny knowing about a hitman and he might actually go to jail for conspiracy to commit murder? And if in the meantime, EJ's cleaned up after Kate, Sami and Gabi . . .Yeah, it's a pipe dream of mine. . .
Edited by PALMommy, May 12 2014, 05:38 PM.
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iheartwilson
May 12 2014, 05:10 PM
Honeybees
May 12 2014, 01:46 PM
Kaha
May 12 2014, 12:57 PM
Will looked really pissed and Sonny looked sad and resigned. One of them will confess.
Red herrings! Will examined the gun and saw it had been fired. Sonny came home and saw Will with the gun. They both have reason to suspect one another but not Gabi.

Though it would not shock me if Will or Sonny confessed to protect the other.

But we all know it will be the baby. or Gabi.
Will could tell the gun had been fired? Well, that explains why I was confused by that scene.
Honeybees I don't think Will or Sonny confesses to protect the other however to protect the other I think one or both let out other have secrets that Nick was throwing in there faces or blackmail them with. I think that take focus completely off them I think they are innocent but I think the pull focus off the other one completely I going back on who Hope talks to after Will & Sonny because that were it seems to become very random the next selection
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In the same episode... there no specific reason these two would be the next point of focus unless one or both Will & Sonny let something slip about the secrets of the two of them. I think Will does so for sure , however sonny might as well. We hear nothing of Hope question
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Yoryla
May 12 2014, 04:28 PM
PALMommy
May 12 2014, 04:22 PM
Miss Rhi
May 12 2014, 12:04 PM
Stupid Sami quit telling your kid to "Look at you...." and turn her around like Kate did so she couldn't see Nick anymore.
Thank you! THIS! I actually yelled, "TURN HER AROUND, STUPID!" And then when Kate actually turned her away I said, "Thanks, Kate!" :blulaugh:

Note to self: stop talking to the tv.
Me too.

Sami had absolutely *no* idea what she should have been doing, whereas Kate very naturally and promptly took control of the situation and turned her away as she should have.
And it was a GREAT distraction too! I'm forever losing my phone in my purse and I know my kid could find it!
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Pookie
May 12 2014, 05:09 PM
Before anyone poo poos the 2 shooter theory, let's wait for the forensics report.
I'm on board for the two shooter theory, but y'all KNOW my theory. Furthermore, wouldn't be funny if the hitman SAW something but of course he can't testify or come forward??
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Kinay
May 12 2014, 04:54 PM
PALMommy
May 12 2014, 04:35 PM
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May 12 2014, 12:25 PM
Angelsmile
May 12 2014, 12:21 PM
And Gabitch returns. Just like the self-serving person she has always been she tries to pass on the blame.
How is that? All she did was cry and hardly said two words.
I'm gonna take a stab and say that first remark was because Gabi turned and looked over her shoulder at ". . .who'd wanna hurt/kill him?"
So looking over her shoulder at a room full of people who hated Nick makes her self serving and means she's laying the blame at other people's feet? I don't see it.
She didn't look over her shoulder at a room full of people. She looked at Will, Sonny, and Abi. It was in response to a question of who would want to kill Nick. I see it.
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Miss Rhi
May 12 2014, 12:04 PM
Stupid Sami quit telling your kid to "Look at you...." and turn her around like Kate did so she couldn't see Nick anymore.
Sami is not the sharpest tool in the shed.
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Kaha
May 12 2014, 12:15 PM
Sami should be wth her daughter right now. How disappointing that she left her.
Sami won't be winning any mother of the year awards.
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Yoryla
May 12 2014, 04:13 PM
I *LOVE* that Wilson are getting the "they both think the other one possibly did the deed and will now confess to protect the other" - supercouple treatment.
I'm really looking forward to the *someday* when they are not in a storyline connected to Nick.

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Pookie
May 12 2014, 05:09 PM
Before anyone poo poos the 2 shooter theory, let's wait for the forensics report.
I think there were two shooters too.
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Angelsmile
May 12 2014, 05:42 PM
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May 12 2014, 04:54 PM
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May 12 2014, 04:35 PM
Kinay
May 12 2014, 12:25 PM

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I'm gonna take a stab and say that first remark was because Gabi turned and looked over her shoulder at ". . .who'd wanna hurt/kill him?"
So looking over her shoulder at a room full of people who hated Nick makes her self serving and means she's laying the blame at other people's feet? I don't see it.
She didn't look over her shoulder at a room full of people. She looked at Will, Sonny, and Abi. It was in response to a question of who would want to kill Nick. I see it.
I will have to watch that scene again but I still don't think looking at them means she's blaming them. I actually think if Gabi did it, it is to protect them as much as Ari and herself. Gabby was really upset after Abbigail told her that Nick was blackmailing her and that might have been what made up her mind to do what she had to do. These are her friends that she cares about, I don't think she plans to have them take the fall for something she did, if she did indeed do it.
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Kinay
May 12 2014, 06:30 PM
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May 12 2014, 05:42 PM
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May 12 2014, 04:54 PM
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May 12 2014, 04:35 PM

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So looking over her shoulder at a room full of people who hated Nick makes her self serving and means she's laying the blame at other people's feet? I don't see it.
She didn't look over her shoulder at a room full of people. She looked at Will, Sonny, and Abi. It was in response to a question of who would want to kill Nick. I see it.
I will have to watch that scene again but I still don't think looking at them means she's blaming them. I actually think if Gabi did it, it is to protect them as much as Ari and herself. Gabby was really upset after Abbigail told her that Nick was blackmailing her and that might have been what made up her mind to do what she had to do. These are her friends that she cares about, I don't think she plans to have them take the fall for something she did, if she did indeed do it.
And remember, by forcing/blackmailing Gabi to be his girlfriend/wife/family - that's a passive form of rape as much as what EJ did to Sami was years ago (and a little bird told me has been a contentious subject in these parts ever since). We saw Nick actively try to rape her and she fought back. There's no reason to suggest she wouldn't actively try and protect herself again.

And I want to say I loved CB's nearly wordless performance today. Everything she did could have conveyed either guilt or just sadness/confusion/grief at the loss of a man she once loved. Or a mixture of both. But nothing there would stop Julie from projecting her starry eyed Dannifer-level of idealization.

I'm also on board with the second shooter theory. Perhaps the hit man. Perhaps someone else. I'm curious that both Jordan and Ben have been set up as suspects. I don't think this will ever be a serious possibility, but it might lead to a long overdue reveal of the Jordan secrets.
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May 12 2014, 05:15 PM
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May 12 2014, 04:35 PM
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May 12 2014, 12:25 PM

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I'm gonna take a stab and say that first remark was because Gabi turned and looked over her shoulder at ". . .who'd wanna hurt/kill him?"
So looking over her shoulder at a room full of people who hated Nick makes her self serving and means she's laying the blame at other people's feet? I don't see it.
Gabi= Always bad, evil, bitch, always wrong etc :eyeroll: :eyeroll:
I would say she is mostly wrongly perceived. Gabi is far from evil, she's not a selfish schemer or manipulator, just the opposite she is too easily manipulated and controlled. I think she was playing Nick all along out of fear for her child , herself and everybody involved. She is a loving mother to Ari and sister to Rafe, good friend to Abbigail, she loves Will and has learned to love Sonny and doesn't want to keep them from their daughter. I think that is how Gabi is supposed to be portrayed, not of her siding with Nick over her friends and family. Now has she been pushed far enough to take matters in her own hands and get rid of the threat to all of their lives, it remains to be seen. If she did at least it was for a good reason, to protect herself and those she loves. I even think her grief today was genuine for the Nick who once made her happy and she felt he was finally at peace from his demons.
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May 12 2014, 03:47 PM
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May 12 2014, 03:41 PM
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May 12 2014, 03:07 PM
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May 12 2014, 02:55 PM

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I have no problem with all of those things being exposed, mainly because I'm sick of seeing Will get blackmailed for shooting E.J. when he was a kid -- something that no jury would ever convict him of at this point, regardless of what Nick might have believed.

But, while I can agree with your "there are no innocent parties in this" statement on a purely surface-level basis, I have to disagree in the context of the original storyline involving Nick. Will was absolutely an innocent party in the beginning. Nick targeted Will simply because Will was gay and had dared to decide to raise a daughter as a gay man instead of handing that daughter over to Nick so that Nick could have a ready-made family to complete the white-picket-fence fantasy. E.J.'s shooting was none of Nick's business, but he made it his business because he needed a way to further his own agenda. Will never did anything to Nick to warrant the inexcusable behavior that Nick displayed toward Will, and Will was still a good enough person to put himself in danger and take a bullet while trying to save his miserable excuse for a cousin's life. And Nick's choices were made as an adult, not as a minor.
Abigail never did anything to Nick, either. This mistake so many people are cheering for her being called on? It was a big mistake, but one that wasn't on par with Nick's homphobic blackmailing (the first round, the one that Will and Sonny forgave him for) and Nick called her a whore to her face. Abigail was only concerned for Nick when he was missing and was a caring person toward him. Meanwhile, Nick absorbed forgiveness from Gabi, Will, Sonny and their families only to turn around and use all he knew against them.

I 100% agree that I want Will's shooting of EJ to come forward as it's been used too many times against Will. And the only reason Will hasn't come forward with the fact he shot EJ is to protect Lucas and Hope. He's tried to confess multiple times, only to be convinced not to for their sakes. Sonny & Will may have been wrong not to snitch on the Coven, but they didn't want to see Ari's mother, grandmother and great-grandmother sent to jail. It would have been in their best interest to do so from a legal perspective. If that had come forward, I'm sure we'd hear about how evil they were and how they only wanted to get Gabi out of the way so they could raise Ari. They didn't do that.

Since his return, Nick has never done one thing that wasn't in his best interest, and often he was outright enjoying hurting people. As much as I enjoy SSH's performance, I find Julie's obsession with Nick weird. Yes, she has acknowledged his wrong doing, but her crazy-eyes insistence that Gabi was his true love and that she loved him could almost be read as a parody of soap couple cheer leading. It's strange to say it, but CB's acting has become good enough that her expressions read fear and confusion when Julie talks them up. The Julie Williams I know as a character is good enough at reading people so that she would have noticed. Don't get me wrong, I love that she's been given a prominent role and I'm on board with the idea that Nick must have advocates (ones that don't know of his raping, manipulating and blackmailing ways). It's just that Julie is smart and sensitive, and it seems she's got serious blinders on here.

Hope?? When did she find out about Will shooting EJ?
We don't know for sure if she found out and sometimes it's strongly hinted that, "the family" knows what Nick did to Will. Everyone always says to Will a variation of "I know he hurt you so bad but you guys are getting along now right." And When Nick was ranting and raving at Abigail and calling her names, he talked about what Will did and how he got away with it and she didn't say: "what are you taking about." So, it's always been my assumption that all the Salem Hortons know about Nick blackmailing Will.

But to get to your original question... in his original blackmail, Nick threatened to send to prison or to end the careers of Will's family members (and some of Nick's since he included Lucas and Hope). He repeated that threat many times. In his smarmy winning ways, he told Will to go ahead and turn himself to the police if he wants to end Hope, Bo and Roman's careers (for supposedly botching the investigation on purpose to protect Will), and put Lucas in prison again (for perjury, cover up and misleading the investigation). Will initially wanted to go to the police but Nick blackmailed him with ruining his family members' lives. Lucas pleaded with Will not to sign over his rights and said that he didn't care if he went back to prison or not, but Nick reminded him of who else will get hurt in the process. So, Will signed away his rights. He then changed his mind and wanted to tell Gabi the whole thing. At that time Sonny pleaded with him and told him that he will be hurting Hope and the others as well, but Will was adamant to confess all, but on his way to see Gabi, he met Hope at the pub and felt guilty and changed his mind.
Edited by Kaha, May 12 2014, 07:35 PM.
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May 12 2014, 12:39 PM
Maggie, Julie, Hope, and even Gabi are doing some nice stuff here. Bonuses to Gabi if she's crying and she ends up being the killer.
I love the emotional beats they're playing here. The guy that people hated still has people who loved him. It's not all black and white. At the risk of getting reamed, I'm really sorry there are some who aren't enjoying this.
This is one of the better episodes in a while, in my viewpoint, just because of the emotional beats and showing both sides of the issue. Say what you will about Nick, he's from a tight family who's been through a lot of crap in the past 50 years, and they don't sell out on their own. And that is why the Hortons should still be the premiere family. You have a black sheep, you're going to have family members who are still going to think the best and hope for the best, no matter what.
And THAT is where Susan Seaforth Hayes is kicking major ass today.
You summed it up perfectly everything I wanted :applause: to say I cried and cheered Julie on today, can't wait to see how Hope proceeds with the investigation I will miss Nick Fallon immensely :rip:
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this was by far my favorite eppi so far this year. I'm so going to miss Blake and Nick.

Standout performances for me were,

-Julie (of course); why they don't use SSH & BH more is beyond me
-Hope; KA always knocks death scenes out of the park
-Gabi; I thought CB did really well in the scenes today; I'm going to miss her when she leaves
-Allie; ok, Ciara's got competition for best child performer now; she was so good today! literally had me crying.
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Julie should have been nick's mother, because she's tough and would've handle it so well and take care of nick's enemies once and for all. Both SSH and BB killed it. What a performance by both of them. I'm going to miss BB and nick fallon.
Edited by Ocean, May 12 2014, 07:59 PM.
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May 12 2014, 11:50 AM
Will asks if Sonny came home earlier. Will wants to return the gun...first thing. Will so knows it's been fired and clearly suspects Sonny. Sonny says everything is going to be all right.
Will knew Sonny came home earlier because he saw Sonny's jacket on the sofa. I do not remember Sonny wearing a jacket when he and Will left the apartment earlier.

I noticed that when Gabi was at the square she had the pink bag, but when she arrived at the hospital, she only had her purse. Also she SAID she had been waiting in the emergency room thinking that Nick would be brought there first. Hmmmm. Plenty of time to bring the gun back to the apartment and leave the pink bag there too...
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Gabi sure had a "death grip" on that diaper bag when Jordan ask her for a clean cloth or something didn't she? Why did Hope let all the suspects/witnesses leave? Why didn't she test them for gun powder residue? Ok I know those are stupid questions. Jordan seemed to understand Gabi's pain, even said something about once loving the person, hmmm she almost let her guard down. The actor who plays Ben seems scared to death ( not Ben, the actor). I wish nichol would be more like Kate, I know I have seen her like that before. So glad Dr. Dan was otherwise occupied.
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so, one thing, having Nick's doctor be someone random as opposed to Kayla or Daniel does give them more leeway to say that Stefano had his body put on ice if they ever want to bring Blake back.
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Just read through all the comments, I'm surprised everyone liked Kate's reactions so much. Yes, I suppose it's in character, but I could have done without her nonchalantly telling Maggie Nick got shot like that. I realize she doesn't like Nick, but she could have some compassion. I was really finding myself hoping she more than even Ejami would step of a cliff during the eppi.
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