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Monday, May 12th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: May 11 2014, 10:56 PM (23,586 Views)
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Kate and Lucas:

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May 13 2014, 01:49 PM
I was actually irritated that Kate was so callous about Nick because of Allie witnessing it. I didn't find it believable that she could disconnect concerned grandmother with her distaste for Nick so mechanically. Kate being callous alone I could buy and I understand why it was entertaining for some. It was distracting for me with the added layer of Allie's trauma.
I thought Kate did a great job of expressing her concern for Allie. She was the one that took the correct steps to distract Allie from looking at Nick. Also, the scene with her coming into the pub shows her concern for Allie. She was bothered about how traumatized she believed Allie was. The fact is, for her the bad thing about Nick's being shot was Allie seeing it. She didn't care about him at all she just cared how it affected Allie.
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May 13 2014, 11:54 AM
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May 13 2014, 10:18 AM
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May 13 2014, 09:29 AM
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May 13 2014, 02:02 AM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep[...]" and the women didn't "try" to drown him. They "tried" to dispose of what they believed was a dead body. When they dumped that body in the river, the cold water revived Nick, and they realized that he wasn't dead. He tried to grab them, they recoiled in understandable shock and fear, and the current dragged him under and swept him away, all in a matter of a couple of seconds or so. They could not have done anything to save him themselves at that point, and they couldn't have reported the incident to the police at that point because it would have looked even worse than it had looked to begin with. But at no point did they "try" to drown him. They "tried" to cover up a self-defense attack, yes -- and I'll even agree that it was stupid of them to do so, although they had their reasons (Gabi had been seen arguing with Nick earlier that night and saying things that could have given her a motive to kill him and claim self-defense). They "tried" to hide a dead body, yes. They "tried" to cover up an accidental drowning when that dead body turned out to be less dead than they had originally believed, yes. But they never "tried" to drown Nick, because one cannot try to murder, by drowning or otherwise, a person one believes is already dead. If they had been convicted of anything for their actions on that particular night, it would have been manslaughter, not murder.

It's just a pet peeve of mine. :soapbox:
They were wrong for not getting medical help. They were wrong to dump the "body". They were wrong not to report it. They are stupid and horrible people.

I was reading about a similar incident in the newspaper a few months ago, minus the self defense part. It was disgusting reading about it TBH.
But it's a soap and we like our bad people. If they were always doing the socially acceptable thing or the decent thing they would stop being entertaining. Sometimes though, I wish they at least don't play fast and loose with legal stuff. Every now and then characters should pay for their crimes.

I read what a fan wrote about Nick Fallon and how she identifies with him and I was actually weirded out. She might be identifying with "his demons," i.e. feeling alone, unhappy and unloved, despite clearly being loved by a lot of people. But I was weirded out because she doesn't seem to take his wrong doing all that seriously.
Fans can enjoy what Sami, Kate and Gabby did but what they did was wrong, they are bad people. I don't have a problem with people enjoying them…I'm an EJ and Sami fan after all!! lol As much as I would love for Sami to get her sweevil on, I can't even get onboard with this action because it's so stupid which is a different issue.

What about putting out a hit on Nick isnīt that stupid too, and even though it is iīm okey with Sami being part of it since it makes her right for EJ. She wouldnīt be right for him if she canīt accept his dark side, and even though I have loved Ejamiīs chemistry itīs something that I beeen having doubts about regarding them and that she would turn him into Everett. Itīs not just Ejole I have been having doubts about even though it has more to to with doubting whether or not they have enough Chemistry in their case. Hopefully my doubts about Ejami can be layed to rest now and maybe my doubts about Ejole would have gone away to if JS just have stayed and they would have gone down that road.
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May 13 2014, 02:54 PM
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May 13 2014, 11:54 AM
Kaha
May 13 2014, 10:18 AM
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May 13 2014, 09:29 AM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep[...]" and the women didn't "try" to drown him. They "tried" to dispose of what they believed was a dead body. When they dumped that body in the river, the cold water revived Nick, and they realized that he wasn't dead. He tried to grab them, they recoiled in understandable shock and fear, and the current dragged him under and swept him away, all in a matter of a couple of seconds or so. They could not have done anything to save him themselves at that point, and they couldn't have reported the incident to the police at that point because it would have looked even worse than it had looked to begin with. But at no point did they "try" to drown him. They "tried" to cover up a self-defense attack, yes -- and I'll even agree that it was stupid of them to do so, although they had their reasons (Gabi had been seen arguing with Nick earlier that night and saying things that could have given her a motive to kill him and claim self-defense). They "tried" to hide a dead body, yes. They "tried" to cover up an accidental drowning when that dead body turned out to be less dead than they had originally believed, yes. But they never "tried" to drown Nick, because one cannot try to murder, by drowning or otherwise, a person one believes is already dead
But it's a soap and we like our bad people. If they were always doing the socially acceptable thing or the decent thing they would stop being entertaining. Sometimes though, I wish they at least don't play fast and loose with legal stuff. Every now and then characters should pay for their crimes.

I read what a fan wrote about Nick Fallon and how she identifies with him and I was actually weirded out. She might be identifying with "his demons," i.e. feeling alone, unhappy and unloved, despite clearly being loved by a lot of people. But I was weirded out because she doesn't seem to take his wrong doing all that seriously.
Fans can enjoy what Sami, Kate and Gabby did but what they did was wrong, they are bad people. I don't have a problem with people enjoying them…I'm an EJ and Sami fan after all!! lol As much as I would love for Sami to get her sweevil on, I can't even get onboard with this action because it's so stupid which is a different issue.

What about putting out a hit on Nick isnīt that stupid too, and even though it is iīm okey with Sami being part of it since it makes her right for EJ. She wouldnīt be right for him if she canīt accept his dark side, and even though I have loved Ejamiīs chemistry itīs something that I beeen having doubts about regarding them and that she would turn him into Everett. Itīs not just Ejole I have been having doubts about even though it has more to to with doubting whether or not they have enough Chemistry in their case. Hopefully my doubts about Ejami can be layed to rest now and maybe my doubts about Ejole would have gone away to if JS just have stayed and they would have gone down that road.
I wanted Ejami to kill Nick a year ago but I always wanted them to use their head.
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May 13 2014, 02:34 PM
Keith
May 13 2014, 01:49 PM
I was actually irritated that Kate was so callous about Nick because of Allie witnessing it. I didn't find it believable that she could disconnect concerned grandmother with her distaste for Nick so mechanically. Kate being callous alone I could buy and I understand why it was entertaining for some. It was distracting for me with the added layer of Allie's trauma.
I thought Kate did a great job of expressing her concern for Allie. She was the one that took the correct steps to distract Allie from looking at Nick. Also, the scene with her coming into the pub shows her concern for Allie. She was bothered about how traumatized she believed Allie was. The fact is, for her the bad thing about Nick's being shot was Allie seeing it. She didn't care about him at all she just cared how it affected Allie.
I agree that that's what was intended, but that's not what played. Kate shouldn't have been able to drop her concern for Allie (which worked so well) just because she doesn't give a fig about Nick.
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lysie
May 13 2014, 12:37 PM
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May 13 2014, 12:29 PM
Yea... I gotta say, now that Mitch chimed in about it, I mean, I think SSH was pretty much as she always is. I mean, I don't think she was bad, but I just can kinda see her going the same way about a kicked puppy somewhere... In some cases it's sometimes more nicer of a surprise if someone's understated, and in this case SSH fits that bill pretty well......
I thought she was much more understated than she usually is (which might give you an idea of how OTT I think she is the rest of the time). I expect Julie to be OTT because that's just who she is, but I liked how SSH played it yesterday. The one exception being the Julie/Maggie scene, and it was actually SR that I thought blew that.
SSH is just not a strong actress...she was ridiculous in those screaming scenes...oh and don't even get me started on quiver lip Suzanne Rogers.

These older actresses are TERRIBLE.

I love Julie, and I like that she is OTT most of the time, but when the content is dealing with a loved one who has died, she just cannot deliver.
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Also...Alison Sweeney's acting during the whole "we must protect Allie by SHIELDING her view of Nick"....is the exact reason why I CANNOT WAIT for her to exit this show. Sweeney is just so terrible...laughably bad.

The writing was ridiculous...who lets their child just stand there...take the fucking kid away (i know they eventually did, but it was not immediate).

Ugh this episode irked me like no other...and I was really looking forward to it based on everybody's raves about it.

I HATE contrived writing and this episode was "contrived" writing on FULL-BORE....I was already laughing as everyone seemed to just HAPPEN upon the HTS right before Nick comes stumbling out of some alley way...I mean

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I thought SSH was good but IMO Suzanne Rogers ruined their scenes.
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Oh! I forgot to mention this yesterday. You know what else made them all look hella guilty? No one was worried that there might be a random killer on the loose.
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I don't know that everyone in HTS is contrived writing, as much as it is contrived story line. Not necessarily MS's writing, but her problem to deal with as the episode unfolded.

As far as Allie seeing Nick, it's just continuing down the line with Sami's kids following in her footsteps and witnessing traumatic events. Will took a minute to watch EJami on the couch, Allie needed her extra minute to take in the whole tableau as well. Extra damage for extra angst for when she & Ciara are battling it out as teenagers. That is if the show lasts that long, which I seriously doubt. Next up is Johnny...maybe a wedding disaster as he feared.
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May 13 2014, 03:47 PM

As far as Allie seeing Nick, it's just continuing down the line with Sami's kids following in her footsteps and witnessing traumatic events. Will took a minute to watch EJami on the couch, Allie needed her extra minute to take in the whole tableau as well.
Boy, that's a damaging minute. lol
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May 13 2014, 03:44 PM
Oh! I forgot to mention this yesterday. You know what else made them all look hella guilty? No one was worried that there might be a random killer on the loose.
The police was not concerned about it either. Nick is an ex-con who was kidnapped and almost killed last year by an ex-con associate, should Hope be exploring that first instead of thinking her family members would kill him over his interference on Will and Gabi's custody? She doesn't even know about the blackmail. And last year Will risked his life to save Nick yet Julie believes he's capable of murdering him this year? What's her proof? That he didn't invite him to his wedding and he's not happy about his interference? Abigail as a suspect is even more preposterous.
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I didn't understand why Julie shouted "you all hated him". How could she be certain that was true?
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CB was by far the best thing about this episode. She rocked her scenes, and I could feel her pain and guilt( in my opinion). It seems to me Gabi played Nick to protect Ari and couldn't tell anyone what she was doing or it wouldn't be realistic, probably because she felt guilt that she brought Nick into their lives. But she was also mourning the Nick she once loved. I don't think she's evil and conniving. She doesn't set out to hurt anyone intentionally. CB has come a long way. Great epi for her.
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May 13 2014, 04:13 PM
I didn't understand why Julie shouted "you all hated him". How could she be certain that was true?
Exactly - contrived!
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I agree that Susan Seaforth Hayes was campy and over-the-top in Monday's episode, but I've been saying that about her for a while now, and I've come to expect it from her to the point where I didn't even think to mention it until I saw Mitchapalooza's post on the matter. That massive heaving sigh/deep breath thing she did at one point, where her breasts practically raised over her head, was particularly cringe-worthy.

I will say this, though -- Blake Berris wasn't campy in his scenes as a corpse! Now, don't say I never gave him any credit. :sarcasm: :mutley:
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Last week or whenever it was -- when Nick taunted Abby -- and Abby realized Nick knew that Ejabby had happened, Abby notified EJ that she planned to tell her mother as a "damage control" so that if Nick revealed the truth, her mother would already know -- thus removing Nick from having any power over Abby.'

But EJ stopped Abby, telling her not to worry and that he could guarantee that Nick wouldn't be a problem anymore (or words to that effect).

At the time, I think Abby just thought EJ was placating her.

Then later, Abby was at the club talking with Ben, and Ben asked if Abby was still worried/scared/whatever about Nick. And Abby paused for a moment -- and thought about it ... and then Abby said to Ben: No, it is fine now, I think this won't be a problem anymore. (or words to that effect).

At that point, (when Abby was having that conversation with Ben), I saw that Abby had understood that EJ had done something to keep Nick in line, or that EJ had inside information that something else was keeping Nick in line. My impression was that Abby had *NO IDEA* that EJ would ever have Nick killed. Abby understood that EJ was assuring her that *something* was keeping Nick from making the problem worse. Abby probably thought that EJ was blackmailing Nick back, or making counterthreats, etc. But not violence.

I don't think Abby thought about it very deeply, but she was satisfied that everything would be okay. As I said, I got this impression from the look on her face last week when she was reassuring Ben that everything was fine -- I sensed that she was remembering her conversation with EJ.

Anyhow. On Monday May 12th episode, after the shooting and the scenes at the hospital, Ben brought Abby home. As soon as Ben left and Abby went inside and shut the door -- I saw a look on Abby's face. I think she *now* is wondering if EJ had Nick killed.
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May 13 2014, 04:31 AM
EJ hasnīt constantly been bashing Sami for the affair he brought it up once in the fake out but he wasnīt bashing Sami then he just explained why it happened that he did it for her. EJ has been rationalizing the affair in his mind but he hasnīt been bashing Sami for having to clean up her messes by sleeping with Abby he was happy to do it.
You're going to make me go back and dig out those scenes, aren't you? :lol:

Okay...just based on the limited resources I have at my disposal at the moment (without going back to watch multiple clips of the show)...during the January 9th episode, he snapped at Kate in the town square, saying that "this whole issue with Abigail wouldn't have happened, and I wouldn't have had to..." (he stopped himself at that point) if Kate and Sami had just bothered to keep Gabi informed about the fact that Kate had been sending text messages to people from Nick's cell phone.

After that, when Sami returned from her business trip in Chicago and caught E.J. and Abby talking about something at the DiMera mansion, they covered by telling her that they had been discussing Chad's lie about the brain tumor, which E.J. had helped Chad sell. After Abby left, Sami and E.J. got into a pretty major argument that involved him throwing her mistakes in her face multiple times. It happened during the January 14th episode, if you want to check it out. He said that he was sick and tired of saving Sami from herself. He asked if she had murdered anyone while in Chicago. He said that, compared to the things that Sami had done in the previous six months, he looked like Gandhi. He indirectly blamed her for what had happened with Abby. He complained that he had wants and needs of his own but was always being forced to set aside those things so that he could spend all of his time cleaning up messes of Sami's own making. It was a pretty ugly fight.

And I'm certain there were other times, as well. But that alone is pretty indicative of douchebag behavior. (Oh, and to answer your question in the simplest possible way, a douchebag is basically just a world-class jerk/asshole.)
Edited by Will&Sonny, May 13 2014, 07:45 PM.
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May 13 2014, 05:03 PM
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May 13 2014, 04:13 PM
I didn't understand why Julie shouted "you all hated him". How could she be certain that was true?
Exactly - contrived!
I didn't think that was contrived at all. She's been saying that for a long time.
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May 13 2014, 08:11 PM
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May 13 2014, 05:03 PM
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May 13 2014, 04:13 PM
I didn't understand why Julie shouted "you all hated him". How could she be certain that was true?
Exactly - contrived!
I didn't think that was contrived at all. She's been saying that for a long time.

But why would Julie yell "you ALL" to a group that included Abby? ... Julie should know that Abby had always been a staunch supporter of Nick.

Abby had figured out only a few days ago that Nick could be menacing.

Abby did ask Maggie for help regarding Nick's involvement in the Arianna custody situation -- but Abby didn't present it as Abby hating Nick -- it was more "concern". And then Maggie talked to Nick and then Maggie talked to Julie.
But there was no way that Julie could have assumed that Abby hated Nick.
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