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Monday, May 12th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: May 11 2014, 10:56 PM (23,584 Views)
Will&Sonny


nananana7
May 13 2014, 11:32 PM
There is this, too:

Nick raised his bloody hand in the general direction of the clump of people. but he wasn't exactly pointing. His figures were somewhat outstretched unevenly, but the gesture was ambiguous -- he dropped his hand and died before he could finish the pointing or gesturing or whatever it was.

Julie *assumed* that he was starting to point out his killer. But was he?

He also could have been starting to reach out his hand like he was going to grab onto a rope to save himself -- metaphorically -- what I mean is, he could have been reaching out plaintively for help towards someone.

Or ... he could've been reaching out in friendship towards someone who had tried to help him at the park.

Well I don't really have any idea what is actual intent was. My point is that it wasn't a full gesture -- he dropped his hand and died before he could complete the gesture. We could assume he was pointing -- but maybe we'll find out someday it was something else. Who knows?

Julie thought Nick was trying to tell her something. But was he?
Yeah, the writers allowed E.J. to point this out in Monday's episode. He even suggested that Nick might have been too out of it at that point to hear or understand Julie's question ("Who did this to you?"), in which case Nick couldn't have been trying to answer that question with his gesture.
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lysie


BeeBee
May 13 2014, 11:34 PM
lysie
May 13 2014, 03:44 PM
Oh! I forgot to mention this yesterday. You know what else made them all look hella guilty? No one was worried that there might be a random killer on the loose.
Jensen came to Salem to kill Nick.After being in prison four years Nick could reasonably have given someone else from prison a reason to come to Salem to shoot him so I don't know that not worrying that Nick was not the only target would make anyone them look guilty especially since the police don't know about the blackmail.I wonder if Rafe recused himself from the investigation so that he would not have to reveal that he knew Nick was holding something over Gabi's head based on Gabi,Sami,and EJ telling him to leave the Nick situation alone.I have a feeling that "good guy/ good cop"Rafe is not going to mention this to Hope,Roman,or Abe.
I don't think any of that is at all relevant to what I said. Even if it was another Jensen, it's a criminal on the loose with a gun, and that should be cause for concern...unless you happen to know who the killer was.
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Will&Sonny


lysie
May 13 2014, 11:52 PM
BeeBee
May 13 2014, 11:34 PM
lysie
May 13 2014, 03:44 PM
Oh! I forgot to mention this yesterday. You know what else made them all look hella guilty? No one was worried that there might be a random killer on the loose.
Jensen came to Salem to kill Nick.After being in prison four years Nick could reasonably have given someone else from prison a reason to come to Salem to shoot him so I don't know that not worrying that Nick was not the only target would make anyone them look guilty especially since the police don't know about the blackmail.I wonder if Rafe recused himself from the investigation so that he would not have to reveal that he knew Nick was holding something over Gabi's head based on Gabi,Sami,and EJ telling him to leave the Nick situation alone.I have a feeling that "good guy/ good cop"Rafe is not going to mention this to Hope,Roman,or Abe.
I don't think any of that is at all relevant to what I said. Even if it was another Jensen, it's a criminal on the loose with a gun, and that should be cause for concern...unless you happen to know who the killer was.
While I agree and think that you raised an excellent point, I suspect that, at the very least, we're eventually going to hear Allie make another reference to the "bad man" Lucas told her was on the loose, since she doesn't know he was talking about Nick. She'll probably be the only one who gets to suggest that Nick's death could be the start of a string of random murders, though.
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Finally got around to watching it!

So, when Jordan said to Gabi something like "at times like these, you forget everything else and he becomes the man you love again" was that coming from personal experience? *edit* went back for her exact words "at times like this, no matter where you two are now, it just falls away and he just becomes the person that you loved once" (extremely pained look) "This shouldn't happen to anyone."

It seems like the writers are throwing in super super subtle clues for her- wonder when it's going to come out.

Best guess, she was seriously abused by a guy for a long time and Ben saved her during a fight, but killed the guy in the process. Obviously they didn't turn Ben in. Between her discussion with Rafe when he was first in therapy, all the ids, her issues with Ben, Ben's issues with men hitting women, and the weird faces she was making talking to Gabi, that's how it seems to fit together.

Gabi was looking at her funny... It would be a cool twist if she figures out Jordan's secret and Jordan kills her to keep her from telling Rafe lol.
Edited by Lady Evol, May 14 2014, 01:32 AM.
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BeeBee


lysie
May 13 2014, 11:52 PM
BeeBee
May 13 2014, 11:34 PM
lysie
May 13 2014, 03:44 PM
Oh! I forgot to mention this yesterday. You know what else made them all look hella guilty? No one was worried that there might be a random killer on the loose.
Jensen came to Salem to kill Nick.After being in prison four years Nick could reasonably have given someone else from prison a reason to come to Salem to shoot him so I don't know that not worrying that Nick was not the only target would make anyone them look guilty especially since the police don't know about the blackmail.I wonder if Rafe recused himself from the investigation so that he would not have to reveal that he knew Nick was holding something over Gabi's head based on Gabi,Sami,and EJ telling him to leave the Nick situation alone.I have a feeling that "good guy/ good cop"Rafe is not going to mention this to Hope,Roman,or Abe.
I don't think any of that is at all relevant to what I said. Even if it was another Jensen, it's a criminal on the loose with a gun, and that should be cause for concern...unless you happen to know who the killer was.
I guess when one lives/works in a large urban area where murders happen quite often,it doesn't occur to me that someone would worry about being a victim just because they know someone who was murdered.If there was a second murder of a member of a group and I shared characteristics of group members already killed,then I would worry.
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S loves EJ


Will&Sonny
May 13 2014, 07:43 PM
S loves EJ
May 13 2014, 04:31 AM
EJ hasnīt constantly been bashing Sami for the affair he brought it up once in the fake out but he wasnīt bashing Sami then he just explained why it happened that he did it for her. EJ has been rationalizing the affair in his mind but he hasnīt been bashing Sami for having to clean up her messes by sleeping with Abby he was happy to do it.
You're going to make me go back and dig out those scenes, aren't you? :lol:

Okay...just based on the limited resources I have at my disposal at the moment (without going back to watch multiple clips of the show)...during the January 9th episode, he snapped at Kate in the town square, saying that "this whole issue with Abigail wouldn't have happened, and I wouldn't have had to..." (he stopped himself at that point) if Kate and Sami had just bothered to keep Gabi informed about the fact that Kate had been sending text messages to people from Nick's cell phone.

After that, when Sami returned from her business trip in Chicago and caught E.J. and Abby talking about something at the DiMera mansion, they covered by telling her that they had been discussing Chad's lie about the brain tumor, which E.J. had helped Chad sell. After Abby left, Sami and E.J. got into a pretty major argument that involved him throwing her mistakes in her face multiple times. It happened during the January 14th episode, if you want to check it out. He said that he was sick and tired of saving Sami from herself. He asked if she had murdered anyone while in Chicago. He said that, compared to the things that Sami had done in the previous six months, he looked like Gandhi. He indirectly blamed her for what had happened with Abby. He complained that he had wants and needs of his own but was always being forced to set aside those things so that he could spend all of his time cleaning up messes of Sami's own making. It was a pretty ugly fight.

And I'm certain there were other times, as well. But that alone is pretty indicative of douchebag behavior. (Oh, and to answer your question in the simplest possible way, a douchebag is basically just a world-class jerk/asshole.)

Okey EJ did blame Sami on January 14 th episode but I think that was the only time time since the affair begann if he had done it constantly I think I would have remember it. I donīt think it was an ugly fight though they were not yelling at each other, so it doesnīt qualifies as a fight imo. Sami is also not blameless she was acting stupid when she trow Nick in the river and having EJ clean it up. As for blaming Kate on january 9 th that isnīt bashing Sami. I think they wrote EJ in a contradicting way if he thought it was so much trouble he shouldnīt have gone back to sleep with Abby.

Anyway when I said EJ been a good fianceeīto Sami in an other post I meant since they got back together he has been devoted to her since then.
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nananana7
May 12 2014, 11:07 PM

In past few days/weeks, Rafe had confided to Jordan that Nick was trying to control Gabi.

In today's episode, Jordan said to Gabi:
"In times like this, no matter where you two are now, it just falls away, and he just becomes the person that you loved once. This shouldn't happen to anyone."

The following is my interpretation of what Jordan meant:

Jordan really understood that Gabi really couldn't mourn the abusive side of Nick.

But at the same time, Jordan understood that Gabi could sincerely mourn losing Gabi's concept of her idealistic dream of what she'd wanted to have with Nick, and some of the good moments they'd had long ago.

If that's what Jordan meant, I think it was helpful. She gave Gabi permission to grieve her dreams ... and yet not have to embrace the abuse. It was okay to have mixed emotions. And I think Gabi really needed to be able to experience all those emotions.

When Gabi went in to view Nick's body, I saw her remembering those dreams, but then when she went to reach out toward his face, she recoiled as if in memory of his abuse.

I wondered if Jordan had been a victim of abuse, or if she had once counseled abused women.
Lady Evol
May 14 2014, 01:21 AM
Finally got around to watching it!

So, when Jordan said to Gabi something like "at times like these, you forget everything else and he becomes the man you love again" was that coming from personal experience? *edit* went back for her exact words "at times like this, no matter where you two are now, it just falls away and he just becomes the person that you loved once" (extremely pained look) "This shouldn't happen to anyone."

It seems like the writers are throwing in super super subtle clues for her- wonder when it's going to come out.

Best guess, she was seriously abused by a guy for a long time and Ben saved her during a fight, but killed the guy in the process. Obviously they didn't turn Ben in. Between her discussion with Rafe when he was first in therapy, all the ids, her issues with Ben, Ben's issues with men hitting women, and the weird faces she was making talking to Gabi, that's how it seems to fit together.

Gabi was looking at her funny... It would be a cool twist if she figures out Jordan's secret and Jordan kills her to keep her from telling Rafe lol.

My post on page 20 of this thread, and your post on page 25 of this thread -- seem to be the *only* two posts that mention this. I know because I went through every post on this thread to see if anyone else saw it! Thank you for speaking up. Now I know I wasn't imagining it!

I wonder if many DR members fast-forward through Jordan, or just assume she won't say anything interesting, so therefore didn't notice this? Or maybe it was simply because other characters on the screen were louder or giving out stronger emotions than Jordan was?

Jordan was so subtle that you had to watch for it. My focus was on Gabi, so that's how I caught it. (Camila Banus is doing a wonderful job showing Gabi's mixed emotions in the past week).

You make a good point about Ben's "spidey-sense" that something was *off* about Nick -- and his physicality in his trying to push Nick away from Abby. It really seems that this was from a prior history where he'd encountered an abusive man.

I had been wondering if perhaps Ben once had an abusive father or stepfather, or perhaps an abusive male teacher or role model. I thought perhaps that being raised or mentored by a violet man would have made Ben into someone who tends to react violently at first.

And then, separately, I had wondered more about Jordan's past from watching her scenes with Gabi after Nick was shot, as we are discussing here.

You're wondering if Ben had defended Jordan from an abusive boyfriend or husband.

Either way, I hadn't considered that Ben might have killed the abuser, but now that you mention it, you may be right..

Yeah it really does fit together!
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Will&Sonny


nananana7
May 14 2014, 04:08 AM
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nananana7
May 12 2014, 11:07 PM

In past few days/weeks, Rafe had confided to Jordan that Nick was trying to control Gabi.

In today's episode, Jordan said to Gabi:
"In times like this, no matter where you two are now, it just falls away, and he just becomes the person that you loved once. This shouldn't happen to anyone."

The following is my interpretation of what Jordan meant:

Jordan really understood that Gabi really couldn't mourn the abusive side of Nick.

But at the same time, Jordan understood that Gabi could sincerely mourn losing Gabi's concept of her idealistic dream of what she'd wanted to have with Nick, and some of the good moments they'd had long ago.

If that's what Jordan meant, I think it was helpful. She gave Gabi permission to grieve her dreams ... and yet not have to embrace the abuse. It was okay to have mixed emotions. And I think Gabi really needed to be able to experience all those emotions.

When Gabi went in to view Nick's body, I saw her remembering those dreams, but then when she went to reach out toward his face, she recoiled as if in memory of his abuse.

I wondered if Jordan had been a victim of abuse, or if she had once counseled abused women.
Lady Evol
May 14 2014, 01:21 AM
Finally got around to watching it!

So, when Jordan said to Gabi something like "at times like these, you forget everything else and he becomes the man you love again" was that coming from personal experience? *edit* went back for her exact words "at times like this, no matter where you two are now, it just falls away and he just becomes the person that you loved once" (extremely pained look) "This shouldn't happen to anyone."

It seems like the writers are throwing in super super subtle clues for her- wonder when it's going to come out.

Best guess, she was seriously abused by a guy for a long time and Ben saved her during a fight, but killed the guy in the process. Obviously they didn't turn Ben in. Between her discussion with Rafe when he was first in therapy, all the ids, her issues with Ben, Ben's issues with men hitting women, and the weird faces she was making talking to Gabi, that's how it seems to fit together.

Gabi was looking at her funny... It would be a cool twist if she figures out Jordan's secret and Jordan kills her to keep her from telling Rafe lol.

My post on page 20 of this thread, and your post on page 25 of this thread -- seem to be the *only* two posts that mention this. I know because I went through every post on this thread to see if anyone else saw it! Thank you for speaking up. Now I know I wasn't imagining it!

I wonder if many DR members fast-forward through Jordan, or just assume she won't say anything interesting, so therefore didn't notice this? Or maybe it was simply because other characters on the screen were louder or giving out stronger emotions than Jordan was?

Jordan was so subtle that you had to watch for it. My focus was on Gabi, so that's how I caught it. (Camila Banus is doing a wonderful job showing Gabi's mixed emotions in the past week).

You make a good point about Ben's "spidey-sense" that something was *off* about Nick -- and his physicality in his trying to push Nick away from Abby. It really seems that this was from a prior history where he'd encountered an abusive man.

I had been wondering if perhaps Ben once had an abusive father or stepfather, or perhaps an abusive male teacher or role model. I thought perhaps that being raised or mentored by a violet man would have made Ben into someone who tends to react violently at first.

And then, separately, I had wondered more about Jordan's past from watching her scenes with Gabi after Nick was shot, as we are discussing here.

You're wondering if Ben had defended Jordan from an abusive boyfriend or husband.

Either way, I hadn't considered that Ben might have killed the abuser, but now that you mention it, you may be right..

Yeah it really does fit together!
I noticed, I just didn't feel like it was worth mentioning. (Not that I think that you shouldn't have mentioned it, of course. I just wasn't really interested in doing so. Heh.)

I have, however, commented previously on Ben's reactions to violence against women and the possible implications of those reactions. I don't think that Ben (or Jordan) killed anyone, but that's based mainly on the fact that we know that

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Also, when Ben first arrived in Salem, he and Jordan had several cryptic conversations where Ben made references to a man. Most of those references were about Rafe -- "you don't want to leave Salem because of him, right?" and such -- but one conversation, which took place in one of the hospital break rooms, seemed to be about someone else. I took it as a reference to the person they were hiding from. It was something like "don't worry -- he's not going to find us", and obviously, a dead person can't find anyone. But I have no proof that I interpreted that the right way, obviously, and even if I did, we have no way of knowing if the whole storyline has changed since then, since Jordan's original storyline was scrapped at some point.

They also had a conversation in the secluded section of the town square that made it seem like, if anything, Jordan had protected Ben, not the other way around. That's why I have speculated in the past that their father might have abused her and that she took that abuse until he tried to repeat the cycle with Ben, at which point she fled with her brother in order to protect him. They could have then split up once he was old enough to take care of himself.
Edited by Will&Sonny, May 14 2014, 05:12 AM.
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S loves EJ
May 14 2014, 03:25 AM
Will&Sonny
May 13 2014, 07:43 PM
S loves EJ
May 13 2014, 04:31 AM
EJ hasnīt constantly been bashing Sami for the affair he brought it up once in the fake out but he wasnīt bashing Sami then he just explained why it happened that he did it for her. EJ has been rationalizing the affair in his mind but he hasnīt been bashing Sami for having to clean up her messes by sleeping with Abby he was happy to do it.
You're going to make me go back and dig out those scenes, aren't you? :lol:

Okay...just based on the limited resources I have at my disposal at the moment (without going back to watch multiple clips of the show)...during the January 9th episode, he snapped at Kate in the town square, saying that "this whole issue with Abigail wouldn't have happened, and I wouldn't have had to..." (he stopped himself at that point) if Kate and Sami had just bothered to keep Gabi informed about the fact that Kate had been sending text messages to people from Nick's cell phone.

After that, when Sami returned from her business trip in Chicago and caught E.J. and Abby talking about something at the DiMera mansion, they covered by telling her that they had been discussing Chad's lie about the brain tumor, which E.J. had helped Chad sell. After Abby left, Sami and E.J. got into a pretty major argument that involved him throwing her mistakes in her face multiple times. It happened during the January 14th episode, if you want to check it out. He said that he was sick and tired of saving Sami from herself. He asked if she had murdered anyone while in Chicago. He said that, compared to the things that Sami had done in the previous six months, he looked like Gandhi. He indirectly blamed her for what had happened with Abby. He complained that he had wants and needs of his own but was always being forced to set aside those things so that he could spend all of his time cleaning up messes of Sami's own making. It was a pretty ugly fight.

And I'm certain there were other times, as well. But that alone is pretty indicative of douchebag behavior. (Oh, and to answer your question in the simplest possible way, a douchebag is basically just a world-class jerk/asshole.)

Okey EJ did blame Sami on January 14 th episode but I think that was the only time time since the affair begann if he had done it constantly I think I would have remember it. I donīt think it was an ugly fight though they were not yelling at each other, so it doesnīt qualifies as a fight imo. Sami is also not blameless she was acting stupid when she trow Nick in the river and having EJ clean it up. As for blaming Kate on january 9 th that isnīt bashing Sami. I think they wrote EJ in a contradicting way if he thought it was so much trouble he shouldnīt have gone back to sleep with Abby.

Anyway when I said EJ been a good fianceeīto Sami in an other post I meant since they got back together he has been devoted to her since then.
Whether they were yelling at each other or not (I seem to recall that it wasn't all level tones and calm voices, but since I haven't seen those scenes since they originally aired, I won't argue that point too much), E.J. drove Sami to tears in the January 14th episode, and he said some really harsh things to her, so I'd definitely call that a fight, but that's just me. :shrug:

On January 9th, he was bashing Sami, he just wasn't doing it to her face.

Since they got back together, E.J. has continued to lie to Sami about not only the fling with Abby but also the stuff that he knows about Kristen raping Eric. I wouldn't consider that being a "good fiancé", but again...that's just me. You're certainly entitled to your own take on the matters.
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nananana7
May 14 2014, 04:08 AM
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nananana7
May 12 2014, 11:07 PM

In past few days/weeks, Rafe had confided to Jordan that Nick was trying to control Gabi.

In today's episode, Jordan said to Gabi:
"In times like this, no matter where you two are now, it just falls away, and he just becomes the person that you loved once. This shouldn't happen to anyone."

The following is my interpretation of what Jordan meant:

Jordan really understood that Gabi really couldn't mourn the abusive side of Nick.

But at the same time, Jordan understood that Gabi could sincerely mourn losing Gabi's concept of her idealistic dream of what she'd wanted to have with Nick, and some of the good moments they'd had long ago.

If that's what Jordan meant, I think it was helpful. She gave Gabi permission to grieve her dreams ... and yet not have to embrace the abuse. It was okay to have mixed emotions. And I think Gabi really needed to be able to experience all those emotions.

When Gabi went in to view Nick's body, I saw her remembering those dreams, but then when she went to reach out toward his face, she recoiled as if in memory of his abuse.

I wondered if Jordan had been a victim of abuse, or if she had once counseled abused women.
Lady Evol
May 14 2014, 01:21 AM
Finally got around to watching it!

So, when Jordan said to Gabi something like "at times like these, you forget everything else and he becomes the man you love again" was that coming from personal experience? *edit* went back for her exact words "at times like this, no matter where you two are now, it just falls away and he just becomes the person that you loved once" (extremely pained look) "This shouldn't happen to anyone."

It seems like the writers are throwing in super super subtle clues for her- wonder when it's going to come out.

Best guess, she was seriously abused by a guy for a long time and Ben saved her during a fight, but killed the guy in the process. Obviously they didn't turn Ben in. Between her discussion with Rafe when he was first in therapy, all the ids, her issues with Ben, Ben's issues with men hitting women, and the weird faces she was making talking to Gabi, that's how it seems to fit together.

Gabi was looking at her funny... It would be a cool twist if she figures out Jordan's secret and Jordan kills her to keep her from telling Rafe lol.

My post on page 20 of this thread, and your post on page 25 of this thread -- seem to be the *only* two posts that mention this. I know because I went through every post on this thread to see if anyone else saw it! Thank you for speaking up. Now I know I wasn't imagining it!

I wonder if many DR members fast-forward through Jordan, or just assume she won't say anything interesting, so therefore didn't notice this? Or maybe it was simply because other characters on the screen were louder or giving out stronger emotions than Jordan was?

Jordan was so subtle that you had to watch for it. My focus was on Gabi, so that's how I caught it. (Camila Banus is doing a wonderful job showing Gabi's mixed emotions in the past week).

You make a good point about Ben's "spidey-sense" that something was *off* about Nick -- and his physicality in his trying to push Nick away from Abby. It really seems that this was from a prior history where he'd encountered an abusive man.

I had been wondering if perhaps Ben once had an abusive father or stepfather, or perhaps an abusive male teacher or role model. I thought perhaps that being raised or mentored by a violet man would have made Ben into someone who tends to react violently at first.

And then, separately, I had wondered more about Jordan's past from watching her scenes with Gabi after Nick was shot, as we are discussing here.

You're wondering if Ben had defended Jordan from an abusive boyfriend or husband.

Either way, I hadn't considered that Ben might have killed the abuser, but now that you mention it, you may be right..

Yeah it really does fit together!
Wow, you guys talking about Jordan almost made her sound interesting :D ............... almost lol.
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Will&Sonny
May 14 2014, 05:24 AM
S loves EJ
May 14 2014, 03:25 AM
Will&Sonny
May 13 2014, 07:43 PM
S loves EJ
May 13 2014, 04:31 AM
EJ hasnīt constantly been bashing Sami for the affair he brought it up once in the fake out but he wasnīt bashing Sami then he just explained why it happened that he did it for her. EJ has been rationalizing the affair in his mind but he hasnīt been bashing Sami for having to clean up her messes by sleeping with Abby he was happy to do it.
You're going to make me go back and dig out those scenes, aren't you? :lol:

Okay...just based on the limited resources I have at my disposal at the moment (without going back to watch multiple clips of the show)...during the January 9th episode, he snapped at Kate in the town square, saying that "this whole issue with Abigail wouldn't have happened, and I wouldn't have had to..." (he stopped himself at that point) if Kate and Sami had just bothered to keep Gabi informed about the fact that Kate had been sending text messages to people from Nick's cell phone.

After that, when Sami returned from her business trip in Chicago and caught E.J. and Abby talking about something at the DiMera mansion, they covered by telling her that they had been discussing Chad's lie about the brain tumor, which E.J. had helped Chad sell. After Abby left, Sami and E.J. got into a pretty major argument that involved him throwing her mistakes in her face multiple times. It happened during the January 14th episode, if you want to check it out. He said that he was sick and tired of saving Sami from herself. He asked if she had murdered anyone while in Chicago. He said that, compared to the things that Sami had done in the previous six months, he looked like Gandhi. He indirectly blamed her for what had happened with Abby. He complained that he had wants and needs of his own but was always being forced to set aside those things so that he could spend all of his time cleaning up messes of Sami's own making. It was a pretty ugly fight.

And I'm certain there were other times, as well. But that alone is pretty indicative of douchebag behavior. (Oh, and to answer your question in the simplest possible way, a douchebag is basically just a world-class jerk/asshole.)

Okey EJ did blame Sami on January 14 th episode but I think that was the only time time since the affair begann if he had done it constantly I think I would have remember it. I donīt think it was an ugly fight though they were not yelling at each other, so it doesnīt qualifies as a fight imo. Sami is also not blameless she was acting stupid when she trow Nick in the river and having EJ clean it up. As for blaming Kate on january 9 th that isnīt bashing Sami. I think they wrote EJ in a contradicting way if he thought it was so much trouble he shouldnīt have gone back to sleep with Abby.

Anyway when I said EJ been a good fianceeīto Sami in an other post I meant since they got back together he has been devoted to her since then.
Whether they were yelling at each other or not (I seem to recall that it wasn't all level tones and calm voices, but since I haven't seen those scenes since they originally aired, I won't argue that point too much), E.J. drove Sami to tears in the January 14th episode, and he said some really harsh things to her, so I'd definitely call that a fight, but that's just me. :shrug:

On January 9th, he was bashing Sami, he just wasn't doing it to her face.

Since they got back together, E.J. has continued to lie to Sami about not only the fling with Abby but also the stuff that he knows about Kristen raping Eric. I wouldn't consider that being a "good fiancé", but again...that's just me. You're certainly entitled to your own take on the matters.

EJ was being a jerk on january 14 but I think itīs more of argument than a fight, but him being a jerk here doesnīt make him a jerk to Sami in every episode this year. In other episodes he has been wonderful and helping her with her children that isnīt his, so I think it even itself out. He only been a jerk as a plot point to make the affair happen when Ejami has been happy together he has been good to her. Plus I donīt think Sami is the perfect fiancee either she could have handle the situation by the river better and sometimes she screaming and stomping that makes me understand why EJ would feel tired of her. Anyway I wouldnīt say EJ is the perfect fiancee now but I think he and Sami worked out what Kristen did, and I donīt see him having much choice but to lie about the affair since he is convinced Sami would leave him if she were to find out, but I think he is written to be inlove with Sami and wanting to have a future with her, and what Abby was just a mistake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=042vIXj61p0

I only see EJ blaming Kate her not Sami.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wjxQbCBPEY

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May 13 2014, 08:19 PM
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May 13 2014, 04:13 PM
I didn't understand why Julie shouted "you all hated him". How could she be certain that was true?
Exactly - contrived!
I didn't think that was contrived at all. She's been saying that for a long time.

But why would Julie yell "you ALL" to a group that included Abby? ... Julie should know that Abby had always been a staunch supporter of Nick.

Abby had figured out only a few days ago that Nick could be menacing.

Abby did ask Maggie for help regarding Nick's involvement in the Arianna custody situation -- but Abby didn't present it as Abby hating Nick -- it was more "concern". And then Maggie talked to Nick and then Maggie talked to Julie.
But there was no way that Julie could have assumed that Abby hated Nick.


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Okey EJ did blame Sami on January 14 th episode but I think that was the only time time since the affair begann if he had done it constantly I think I would have remember it. I donīt think it was an ugly fight though they were not yelling at each other, so it doesnīt qualifies as a fight imo. Sami is also not blameless she was acting stupid when she trow Nick in the river and having EJ clean it up. As for blaming Kate on january 9 th that isnīt bashing Sami. I think they wrote EJ in a contradicting way if he thought it was so much trouble he shouldnīt have gone back to sleep with Abby.

Anyway when I said EJ been a good fianceeīto Sami in an other post I meant since they got back together he has been devoted to her since then.
Whether they were yelling at each other or not (I seem to recall that it wasn't all level tones and calm voices, but since I haven't seen those scenes since they originally aired, I won't argue that point too much), E.J. drove Sami to tears in the January 14th episode, and he said some really harsh things to her, so I'd definitely call that a fight, but that's just me. :shrug:

On January 9th, he was bashing Sami, he just wasn't doing it to her face.

Since they got back together, E.J. has continued to lie to Sami about not only the fling with Abby but also the stuff that he knows about Kristen raping Eric. I wouldn't consider that being a "good fiancé", but again...that's just me. You're certainly entitled to your own take on the matters.

EJ was being a jerk on january 14 but I think itīs more of argument than a fight, but him being a jerk here doesnīt make him a jerk to Sami in every episode this year.

I never said E.J. had been a jerk to Sami in every episode this year. He's certainly treated her like shit in more than one episode this year, though, as far as I'm concerned. I just cited one very clear example of that, but I'm positive that more are out there.

As for E.J.'s conversation with Kate, Sami also knew about the text messages that Kate was sending people from Nick's phone, so she could have informed Gabi of that plan just as easily as Kate could have. Therefore, one could (as I am) make the argument that when he complained about how things would have been different (and he wouldn't have had to [sleep with Abby]) if Gabi had been kept in the loop from the beginning, he was holding Kate and Sami equally responsible for neglecting to tell Gabi, even though he was only talking to Kate at that time. And his later fight (or argument, if you prefer to think of it that way...I don't see how that makes it any less ugly, though) with Sami supports that, since it makes it clear that he blames her for putting him in Abby's orbit in the first place in an effort to clean up one of Sami's messes.

And it doesn't really matter how many times he said that -- he shouldn't be blaming her for his decision to sleep with Abby, period. Not once, not twice, not ten times -- never. It's his fault, not Sami's. Suggesting otherwise even a single time is one too many.
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May 12 2014, 11:07 PM

In past few days/weeks, Rafe had confided to Jordan that Nick was trying to control Gabi.

In today's episode, Jordan said to Gabi:
"In times like this, no matter where you two are now, it just falls away, and he just becomes the person that you loved once. This shouldn't happen to anyone."

The following is my interpretation of what Jordan meant:

Jordan really understood that Gabi really couldn't mourn the abusive side of Nick.

But at the same time, Jordan understood that Gabi could sincerely mourn losing Gabi's concept of her idealistic dream of what she'd wanted to have with Nick, and some of the good moments they'd had long ago.

If that's what Jordan meant, I think it was helpful. She gave Gabi permission to grieve her dreams ... and yet not have to embrace the abuse. It was okay to have mixed emotions. And I think Gabi really needed to be able to experience all those emotions.

When Gabi went in to view Nick's body, I saw her remembering those dreams, but then when she went to reach out toward his face, she recoiled as if in memory of his abuse.

I wondered if Jordan had been a victim of abuse, or if she had once counseled abused women.
Lady Evol
May 14 2014, 01:21 AM
Finally got around to watching it!

So, when Jordan said to Gabi something like "at times like these, you forget everything else and he becomes the man you love again" was that coming from personal experience? *edit* went back for her exact words "at times like this, no matter where you two are now, it just falls away and he just becomes the person that you loved once" (extremely pained look) "This shouldn't happen to anyone."

It seems like the writers are throwing in super super subtle clues for her- wonder when it's going to come out.

Best guess, she was seriously abused by a guy for a long time and Ben saved her during a fight, but killed the guy in the process. Obviously they didn't turn Ben in. Between her discussion with Rafe when he was first in therapy, all the ids, her issues with Ben, Ben's issues with men hitting women, and the weird faces she was making talking to Gabi, that's how it seems to fit together.

Gabi was looking at her funny... It would be a cool twist if she figures out Jordan's secret and Jordan kills her to keep her from telling Rafe lol.
nananana7
May 14 2014, 04:08 AM
My post on page 20 of this thread, and your post on page 25 of this thread -- seem to be the *only* two posts that mention this. I know because I went through every post on this thread to see if anyone else saw it! Thank you for speaking up. Now I know I wasn't imagining it!

I wonder if many DR members fast-forward through Jordan, or just assume she won't say anything interesting, so therefore didn't notice this? Or maybe it was simply because other characters on the screen were louder or giving out stronger emotions than Jordan was?

Jordan was so subtle that you had to watch for it. My focus was on Gabi, so that's how I caught it. (Camila Banus is doing a wonderful job showing Gabi's mixed emotions in the past week).

You make a good point about Ben's "spidey-sense" that something was *off* about Nick -- and his physicality in his trying to push Nick away from Abby. It really seems that this was from a prior history where he'd encountered an abusive man.

I had been wondering if perhaps Ben once had an abusive father or stepfather, or perhaps an abusive male teacher or role model. I thought perhaps that being raised or mentored by a violet man would have made Ben into someone who tends to react violently at first.

And then, separately, I had wondered more about Jordan's past from watching her scenes with Gabi after Nick was shot, as we are discussing here.

You're wondering if Ben had defended Jordan from an abusive boyfriend or husband.

Either way, I hadn't considered that Ben might have killed the abuser, but now that you mention it, you may be right..

Yeah it really does fit together!
Will&Sonny
May 14 2014, 05:10 AM
I noticed, I just didn't feel like it was worth mentioning. (Not that I think that you shouldn't have mentioned it, of course. I just wasn't really interested in doing so. Heh.)

I have, however, commented previously on Ben's reactions to violence against women and the possible implications of those reactions. I don't think that Ben (or Jordan) killed anyone, but that's based mainly on the fact that we know that

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Also, when Ben first arrived in Salem, he and Jordan had several cryptic conversations where Ben made references to a man. Most of those references were about Rafe -- "you don't want to leave Salem because of him, right?" and such -- but one conversation, which took place in one of the hospital break rooms, seemed to be about someone else. I took it as a reference to the person they were hiding from. It was something like "don't worry -- he's not going to find us", and obviously, a dead person can't find anyone. But I have no proof that I interpreted that the right way, obviously, and even if I did, we have no way of knowing if the whole storyline has changed since then, since Jordan's original storyline was scrapped at some point.

They also had a conversation in the secluded section of the town square that made it seem like, if anything, Jordan had protected Ben, not the other way around. That's why I have speculated in the past that their father might have abused her and that she took that abuse until he tried to repeat the cycle with Ben, at which point she fled with her brother in order to protect him. They could have then split up once he was old enough to take care of himself.

Yoryla
May 14 2014, 06:03 AM
Wow, you guys talking about Jordan almost made her sound interesting :D ............... almost lol.

LOL,
What interested me most on May 12th was Jordan's interaction with Gabi -- as someone who understood Gabi's mixed emotions. And I thought it was a nice understated subtle note in contrast to Julie in that episode.

I had forgotten about the
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that I have lost track of whether the show still intends to do that or not. And we know that Chrishell said that Jordan's original story direction had been changed at some point along the way.
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Whether they were yelling at each other or not (I seem to recall that it wasn't all level tones and calm voices, but since I haven't seen those scenes since they originally aired, I won't argue that point too much), E.J. drove Sami to tears in the January 14th episode, and he said some really harsh things to her, so I'd definitely call that a fight, but that's just me. :shrug:

On January 9th, he was bashing Sami, he just wasn't doing it to her face.

Since they got back together, E.J. has continued to lie to Sami about not only the fling with Abby but also the stuff that he knows about Kristen raping Eric. I wouldn't consider that being a "good fiancé", but again...that's just me. You're certainly entitled to your own take on the matters.

EJ was being a jerk on january 14 but I think itīs more of argument than a fight, but him being a jerk here doesnīt make him a jerk to Sami in every episode this year.

I never said E.J. had been a jerk to Sami in every episode this year. He's certainly treated her like shit in more than one episode this year, though, as far as I'm concerned. I just cited one very clear example of that, but I'm positive that more are out there.

As for E.J.'s conversation with Kate, Sami also knew about the text messages that Kate was sending people from Nick's phone, so she could have informed Gabi of that plan just as easily as Kate could have. Therefore, one could (as I am) make the argument that when he complained about how things would have been different (and he wouldn't have had to [sleep with Abby]) if Gabi had been kept in the loop from the beginning, he was holding Kate and Sami equally responsible for neglecting to tell Gabi, even though he was only talking to Kate at that time. And his later fight (or argument, if you prefer to think of it that way...I don't see how that makes it any less ugly, though) with Sami supports that, since it makes it clear that he blames her for putting him in Abby's orbit in the first place in an effort to clean up one of Sami's messes.

And it doesn't really matter how many times he said that -- he shouldn't be blaming her for his decision to sleep with Abby, period. Not once, not twice, not ten times -- never. It's his fault, not Sami's. Suggesting otherwise even a single time is one too many.

It was Lysie who said EJ been horrid in the way he has treated Sami this year, and while I can see how he has been a jerk in a fiew episode I havenīt felt him being a jerk that much this year he was being more of a jerk last fall, and can I agree that he shouldnīt blame Sami for sleeping with Abby and take responsibility for his own actions but I think you exaggerated how bad it was if it only happend in one episode that is not constantly bashing her. Plus I think EJ knows what he did is on him he told Abby when he broke it off with her that he betrayed the woman he loves more than his own life and that it wouldnīt not happened again. If EJ didnīt think he didnīt anything wrong he wouldnīt have a problem with telling Sami about it, and he was gonna take resposibility for his child if Abby been pregnant.

Anyway I think the way the writers wrote EJ last fall is similar to have they now are writing Nicole. She is being a jerk with the shredded evidence and it makes no sense why she would do it if she loves Eric it just stupid plot point writing and most Nicole/Ericole fans will probably forgive her because they donīt agree with the writing, and that how I felt with the writing for EJ when he was being a jerk last fall saying Eric had consensual sex with Kristen etc. I do think EJ should be written to be a jerk but to others not Sami.
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May 14 2014, 08:41 AM
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May 12 2014, 11:07 PM

In past few days/weeks, Rafe had confided to Jordan that Nick was trying to control Gabi.

In today's episode, Jordan said to Gabi:
"In times like this, no matter where you two are now, it just falls away, and he just becomes the person that you loved once. This shouldn't happen to anyone."

The following is my interpretation of what Jordan meant:

Jordan really understood that Gabi really couldn't mourn the abusive side of Nick.

But at the same time, Jordan understood that Gabi could sincerely mourn losing Gabi's concept of her idealistic dream of what she'd wanted to have with Nick, and some of the good moments they'd had long ago.

If that's what Jordan meant, I think it was helpful. She gave Gabi permission to grieve her dreams ... and yet not have to embrace the abuse. It was okay to have mixed emotions. And I think Gabi really needed to be able to experience all those emotions.

When Gabi went in to view Nick's body, I saw her remembering those dreams, but then when she went to reach out toward his face, she recoiled as if in memory of his abuse.

I wondered if Jordan had been a victim of abuse, or if she had once counseled abused women.
Lady Evol
May 14 2014, 01:21 AM
Finally got around to watching it!

So, when Jordan said to Gabi something like "at times like these, you forget everything else and he becomes the man you love again" was that coming from personal experience? *edit* went back for her exact words "at times like this, no matter where you two are now, it just falls away and he just becomes the person that you loved once" (extremely pained look) "This shouldn't happen to anyone."

It seems like the writers are throwing in super super subtle clues for her- wonder when it's going to come out.

Best guess, she was seriously abused by a guy for a long time and Ben saved her during a fight, but killed the guy in the process. Obviously they didn't turn Ben in. Between her discussion with Rafe when he was first in therapy, all the ids, her issues with Ben, Ben's issues with men hitting women, and the weird faces she was making talking to Gabi, that's how it seems to fit together.

Gabi was looking at her funny... It would be a cool twist if she figures out Jordan's secret and Jordan kills her to keep her from telling Rafe lol.
nananana7
May 14 2014, 04:08 AM
My post on page 20 of this thread, and your post on page 25 of this thread -- seem to be the *only* two posts that mention this. I know because I went through every post on this thread to see if anyone else saw it! Thank you for speaking up. Now I know I wasn't imagining it!

I wonder if many DR members fast-forward through Jordan, or just assume she won't say anything interesting, so therefore didn't notice this? Or maybe it was simply because other characters on the screen were louder or giving out stronger emotions than Jordan was?

Jordan was so subtle that you had to watch for it. My focus was on Gabi, so that's how I caught it. (Camila Banus is doing a wonderful job showing Gabi's mixed emotions in the past week).

You make a good point about Ben's "spidey-sense" that something was *off* about Nick -- and his physicality in his trying to push Nick away from Abby. It really seems that this was from a prior history where he'd encountered an abusive man.

I had been wondering if perhaps Ben once had an abusive father or stepfather, or perhaps an abusive male teacher or role model. I thought perhaps that being raised or mentored by a violet man would have made Ben into someone who tends to react violently at first.

And then, separately, I had wondered more about Jordan's past from watching her scenes with Gabi after Nick was shot, as we are discussing here.

You're wondering if Ben had defended Jordan from an abusive boyfriend or husband.

Either way, I hadn't considered that Ben might have killed the abuser, but now that you mention it, you may be right..

Yeah it really does fit together!
Will&Sonny
May 14 2014, 05:10 AM
I noticed, I just didn't feel like it was worth mentioning. (Not that I think that you shouldn't have mentioned it, of course. I just wasn't really interested in doing so. Heh.)

I have, however, commented previously on Ben's reactions to violence against women and the possible implications of those reactions. I don't think that Ben (or Jordan) killed anyone, but that's based mainly on the fact that we know that

Spoiler: click to toggle


Also, when Ben first arrived in Salem, he and Jordan had several cryptic conversations where Ben made references to a man. Most of those references were about Rafe -- "you don't want to leave Salem because of him, right?" and such -- but one conversation, which took place in one of the hospital break rooms, seemed to be about someone else. I took it as a reference to the person they were hiding from. It was something like "don't worry -- he's not going to find us", and obviously, a dead person can't find anyone. But I have no proof that I interpreted that the right way, obviously, and even if I did, we have no way of knowing if the whole storyline has changed since then, since Jordan's original storyline was scrapped at some point.

They also had a conversation in the secluded section of the town square that made it seem like, if anything, Jordan had protected Ben, not the other way around. That's why I have speculated in the past that their father might have abused her and that she took that abuse until he tried to repeat the cycle with Ben, at which point she fled with her brother in order to protect him. They could have then split up once he was old enough to take care of himself.

Yoryla
May 14 2014, 06:03 AM
Wow, you guys talking about Jordan almost made her sound interesting :D ............... almost lol.

LOL,
What interested me most on May 12th was Jordan's interaction with Gabi -- as someone who understood Gabi's mixed emotions. And I thought it was a nice understated subtle note in contrast to Julie in that episode.

I had forgotten about the
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that I have lost track of whether the show still intends to do that or not. And we know that Chrishell said that Jordan's original story direction had been changed at some point along the way.
I think Jason recently confirmed

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but I'm not sure which thread it was mentioned in.

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EJ was being a jerk on january 14 but I think itīs more of argument than a fight, but him being a jerk here doesnīt make him a jerk to Sami in every episode this year.

I never said E.J. had been a jerk to Sami in every episode this year. He's certainly treated her like shit in more than one episode this year, though, as far as I'm concerned. I just cited one very clear example of that, but I'm positive that more are out there.

As for E.J.'s conversation with Kate, Sami also knew about the text messages that Kate was sending people from Nick's phone, so she could have informed Gabi of that plan just as easily as Kate could have. Therefore, one could (as I am) make the argument that when he complained about how things would have been different (and he wouldn't have had to [sleep with Abby]) if Gabi had been kept in the loop from the beginning, he was holding Kate and Sami equally responsible for neglecting to tell Gabi, even though he was only talking to Kate at that time. And his later fight (or argument, if you prefer to think of it that way...I don't see how that makes it any less ugly, though) with Sami supports that, since it makes it clear that he blames her for putting him in Abby's orbit in the first place in an effort to clean up one of Sami's messes.

And it doesn't really matter how many times he said that -- he shouldn't be blaming her for his decision to sleep with Abby, period. Not once, not twice, not ten times -- never. It's his fault, not Sami's. Suggesting otherwise even a single time is one too many.

It was Lysie who said EJ been horrid in the way he has treated Sami this year, and while I can see how he has been a jerk in a fiew episode I havenīt felt him being a jerk that much this year he was being more of a jerk last fall, and can I agree that he shouldnīt blame Sami for sleeping with Abby and take responsibility for his own actions but I think you exaggerated how bad it was if it only happend in one episode that is not constantly bashing her.
I only cited one episode (two, actually, although we're not in agreement about what the second episode proves) because that was all that I felt like looking for. :lol: As I said before, I'm certain that there are more examples that can be cited, I just didn't feel like digging through dozens of transcripts/recaps (or worse, watching hours of clips) to look for them. I think the January 14th episode that I cited proves my point pretty well on its own, but that's just me.

And in my initial post on the subject, I said "repeatedly", "multiple times", and "quite a few times", but not "constantly". Citing two examples proves the first two of those assertions, if not the third one.
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May 14 2014, 08:41 AM
I had forgotten about the
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that I have lost track of whether the show still intends to do that or not. And we know that Chrishell said that Jordan's original story direction had been changed at some point along the way.

Will&Sonny
May 14 2014, 09:17 AM
I think Jason recently confirmed

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but I'm not sure which thread it was mentioned in.

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Okay I found the "more info" Jason posted Jan. 11th here
warning spoilerish: http://daytimeroyaltyonline.com/topic/8944681/1/

Then on the March 4th episode this was shown: Lucas, Sheryl, Kate mention a visit to the factory in Missouri in the Ozarks, and Sheryl told Kate and Lucas that Sheryl had once (in the past) had asked Jordan to visit the Ozarks with her but Jordan had adamantly refused her. Later in same episode, Kate phoned her investigator Ortiz and asked him to research Jordan's many names in the Ozarks (but I guess he never found anything).

On April 11th, this happened:
A member asked Jason this and Jason gave this reply:
warning spoilerish: http://daytimeroyaltyonline.com/single/?p=9112979&t=9073123

I think that's all we know about that.
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May 12 2014, 11:07 PM

In past few days/weeks, Rafe had confided to Jordan that Nick was trying to control Gabi.

In today's episode, Jordan said to Gabi:
"In times like this, no matter where you two are now, it just falls away, and he just becomes the person that you loved once. This shouldn't happen to anyone."

The following is my interpretation of what Jordan meant:

Jordan really understood that Gabi really couldn't mourn the abusive side of Nick.

But at the same time, Jordan understood that Gabi could sincerely mourn losing Gabi's concept of her idealistic dream of what she'd wanted to have with Nick, and some of the good moments they'd had long ago.

If that's what Jordan meant, I think it was helpful. She gave Gabi permission to grieve her dreams ... and yet not have to embrace the abuse. It was okay to have mixed emotions. And I think Gabi really needed to be able to experience all those emotions.

When Gabi went in to view Nick's body, I saw her remembering those dreams, but then when she went to reach out toward his face, she recoiled as if in memory of his abuse.

I wondered if Jordan had been a victim of abuse, or if she had once counseled abused women.
Lady Evol
May 14 2014, 01:21 AM
Finally got around to watching it!

So, when Jordan said to Gabi something like "at times like these, you forget everything else and he becomes the man you love again" was that coming from personal experience? *edit* went back for her exact words "at times like this, no matter where you two are now, it just falls away and he just becomes the person that you loved once" (extremely pained look) "This shouldn't happen to anyone."

It seems like the writers are throwing in super super subtle clues for her- wonder when it's going to come out.

Best guess, she was seriously abused by a guy for a long time and Ben saved her during a fight, but killed the guy in the process. Obviously they didn't turn Ben in. Between her discussion with Rafe when he was first in therapy, all the ids, her issues with Ben, Ben's issues with men hitting women, and the weird faces she was making talking to Gabi, that's how it seems to fit together.

Gabi was looking at her funny... It would be a cool twist if she figures out Jordan's secret and Jordan kills her to keep her from telling Rafe lol.

My post on page 20 of this thread, and your post on page 25 of this thread -- seem to be the *only* two posts that mention this. I know because I went through every post on this thread to see if anyone else saw it! Thank you for speaking up. Now I know I wasn't imagining it!

I wonder if many DR members fast-forward through Jordan, or just assume she won't say anything interesting, so therefore didn't notice this? Or maybe it was simply because other characters on the screen were louder or giving out stronger emotions than Jordan was?

Jordan was so subtle that you had to watch for it. My focus was on Gabi, so that's how I caught it. (Camila Banus is doing a wonderful job showing Gabi's mixed emotions in the past week).

You make a good point about Ben's "spidey-sense" that something was *off* about Nick -- and his physicality in his trying to push Nick away from Abby. It really seems that this was from a prior history where he'd encountered an abusive man.

I had been wondering if perhaps Ben once had an abusive father or stepfather, or perhaps an abusive male teacher or role model. I thought perhaps that being raised or mentored by a violet man would have made Ben into someone who tends to react violently at first.

And then, separately, I had wondered more about Jordan's past from watching her scenes with Gabi after Nick was shot, as we are discussing here.

You're wondering if Ben had defended Jordan from an abusive boyfriend or husband.

Either way, I hadn't considered that Ben might have killed the abuser, but now that you mention it, you may be right..

Yeah it really does fit together!
Yay, someone else noticed too!

Sometimes when I'm reading on my phone, my sausage fingers skip pages so I must have missed your post, or I would have just quoted it- sorry!

But yeah they're definitely laying down tracks for Jordan to become more interesting. Which seems like it should have happened sooner. I guess because they changed her story? It will be interesting to see what happens with this "mystery mountain man." Haha.
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EJ was being a jerk on january 14 but I think itīs more of argument than a fight, but him being a jerk here doesnīt make him a jerk to Sami in every episode this year.

I never said E.J. had been a jerk to Sami in every episode this year. He's certainly treated her like shit in more than one episode this year, though, as far as I'm concerned. I just cited one very clear example of that, but I'm positive that more are out there.

As for E.J.'s conversation with Kate, Sami also knew about the text messages that Kate was sending people from Nick's phone, so she could have informed Gabi of that plan just as easily as Kate could have. Therefore, one could (as I am) make the argument that when he complained about how things would have been different (and he wouldn't have had to [sleep with Abby]) if Gabi had been kept in the loop from the beginning, he was holding Kate and Sami equally responsible for neglecting to tell Gabi, even though he was only talking to Kate at that time. And his later fight (or argument, if you prefer to think of it that way...I don't see how that makes it any less ugly, though) with Sami supports that, since it makes it clear that he blames her for putting him in Abby's orbit in the first place in an effort to clean up one of Sami's messes.

And it doesn't really matter how many times he said that -- he shouldn't be blaming her for his decision to sleep with Abby, period. Not once, not twice, not ten times -- never. It's his fault, not Sami's. Suggesting otherwise even a single time is one too many.

It was Lysie who said EJ been horrid in the way he has treated Sami this year, and while I can see how he has been a jerk in a fiew episode I havenīt felt him being a jerk that much this year he was being more of a jerk last fall, and can I agree that he shouldnīt blame Sami for sleeping with Abby and take responsibility for his own actions but I think you exaggerated how bad it was if it only happend in one episode that is not constantly bashing her. Plus I think EJ knows what he did is on him he told Abby when he broke it off with her that he betrayed the woman he loves more than his own life and that it wouldnīt not happened again. If EJ didnīt think he didnīt anything wrong he wouldnīt have a problem with telling Sami about it, and he was gonna take resposibility for his child if Abby been pregnant.

Anyway I think the way the writers wrote EJ last fall is similar to have they now are writing Nicole. She is being a jerk with the shredded evidence and it makes no sense why she would do it if she loves Eric it just stupid plot point writing and most Nicole/Ericole fans will probably forgive her because they donīt agree with the writing, and that how I felt with the writing for EJ when he was being a jerk last fall saying Eric had consensual sex with Kristen etc. I do think EJ should be written to be a jerk but to others not Sami.
I mean...he slept with someone else. That's being a jerk to Sami.
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