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Thursday, May 15th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: May 15 2014, 12:40 AM (18,914 Views)
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tomsawyer
May 15 2014, 04:24 PM
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May 15 2014, 03:56 PM
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May 15 2014, 03:43 PM
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May 15 2014, 03:40 PM

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but why the hell would that be news to him? It's not.....I saw a mix of sadness and resignation that the truth about him and Abby might actually come out if Hope continues to dig into Nick's murder.

his sadness comes in right at the end of the Ejabby scene....before that he's creepy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAP411FdyIE
Thanks for the clip. EJ comes off looking like a father's worst nightmare, he's gross. I agree with you LL, he does look like he wants to kiss her. However, I didn't see sadness at all at the end except for being upset he failed.
Seriously. Today's scenes just reminded me why Ejabby grossed me out so much. Abby looks like a young woman being manipulated by some creepy dad of one of her friends. Ewwwwww
I'm watching today's epi and my mom (who doesn't watch the show) just asked me why EJ was being scary with his daughter.
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May 15 2014, 04:05 PM
KAM
May 15 2014, 01:15 PM
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May 15 2014, 12:49 PM
OMG Jennifer, you think your words will hold some weight? Because you have such a great track record with your best friends *cough* Kristen *cough*

god, I dislike her. Does she have no insight or self reflection?
Ditto your dislike. She has not an iota of true self awareness now. It's Jen's World and the rest of Salem just lives in it.
The real problem is that they don't seem to mind and are suffering from the same lack of insight as she is.
That's because Salem is now JenWorld. Sometime while they were sleeping, the diverse citizens of Salem surrendered their intelligence and independent interests and became JenPeople. They still go about their own complicated daily lives...but their common, overriding goal now is to make sure that Jen gets all that Jen wants.. and that she remains completely happy with her desired consort Daniel, who is the most wonderful man in JenWorld, as long as he attends most dutifully to its queen in the manner that she dictates. Those few Salem subversives and nonbelievers who remain are handled in various ways in JenWorld: entreated to see the light, ostracized while they are obstructive, shamed by the bad consequences of their failure to conform, banished from the realm, or, for the truly incorrigible, identified and eliminated as the psychopaths they have shown themselves to be. And that's just the way it works now in JenWorld. :blink:
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james0479
May 15 2014, 01:49 PM
^^ I agree FS and GW have better chemistry than Chandlers version of Wilson. I loved Chandler's Will and I loved Wilson then but Guy and Freddie have better chemistry in my opinion. While I get the negative comments about Guys "blue steel" looks, I actually think he's a great actor doing a good job with his material. Not really getting the Guy hate but I hate Daniel so it is what it is. Lol. Guy was a worthy recast and if you don't enjoy him please know it could've been WAY worse!
I agree. Chandler was great in the dramatic scenes and I totally enjoyed WilSon when they were friends and eventually a couple. But the final 6 Months he was on (July through December) I felt he was not really enjoying the story and was just "there" putting in his time. He was blowing lines and sighing a lot and just did not seem interested. So by the time Guy started I was very pleased with how excited he seemed to be in the role. He and Freddie just seemed to click right away. And I really can tell a difference in his acting since he started. I feel that he has made Will a more mature and complex character.

I do agree with others that Guy seems more comfortable in the intimate scenes with Freddie's Sonny and they seem natural and playful in the way they interact with each other. I am not sure how comfortable he is with the little girls who play Ariana as we have not really had many scenes with just the two of them. Chandler always seemed very comfortable in his interactions with the baby but I read somewhere that he took time off set to be with the girls and spend time with them for the girls to get used to him. I do not know how much time Guy spends with the girls off set if at all so not sure what kind of relationship they have established. I think Freddie has become very comfortable with them and seems to be doing a great job with them as well.

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May 15 2014, 10:11 PM
My favorite part of today was the return of badass Detective Hope Brady grilling EJ. Nobody is buying his crap except Sami!

EJ and Abby are still hot and I'm disappointed he didn't "keep her quiet" like he did before.

The continued ruination of Nicole has me reaching for the barf bag. Just when I thought they cannot make Nicole more pathetic here it is.
I didn't think Hope was such a badass with EJ. I think she used up all her antagonism with Will. She was tougher and colder to Will than she was with EJ. But I get that because she's freshly grieving for Nick and is probably little bit angry with Will.
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mer4santo
May 15 2014, 10:18 PM
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May 15 2014, 04:24 PM
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May 15 2014, 03:56 PM
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May 15 2014, 03:43 PM

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Thanks for the clip. EJ comes off looking like a father's worst nightmare, he's gross. I agree with you LL, he does look like he wants to kiss her. However, I didn't see sadness at all at the end except for being upset he failed.
Seriously. Today's scenes just reminded me why Ejabby grossed me out so much. Abby looks like a young woman being manipulated by some creepy dad of one of her friends. Ewwwwww
I'm watching today's epi and my mom (who doesn't watch the show) just asked me why EJ was being scary with his daughter.
LOL

Your mom didn't think it was odd that he looked like he was going to make out with his daughter?
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May 15 2014, 10:14 PM
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May 15 2014, 09:01 PM
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May 15 2014, 08:55 PM
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May 15 2014, 08:44 PM

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Too true.I would give anything for another opportunity for an EJ/Abby baby before EJ leaves Salem.Interesting to see Abby and Chad deal with that issue.
OMG NO!!!
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That's how I feel watching EJ and Sami together. ;)
Absolutely. I swear every time I see Ej kiss Sami....somewhere a puppy dies.
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May 15 2014, 11:06 PM
mer4santo
May 15 2014, 10:18 PM
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May 15 2014, 04:24 PM
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May 15 2014, 03:56 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deephttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAP411FdyIE
Seriously. Today's scenes just reminded me why Ejabby grossed me out so much. Abby looks like a young woman being manipulated by some creepy dad of one of her friends. Ewwwwww
I'm watching today's epi and my mom (who doesn't watch the show) just asked me why EJ was being scary with his daughter.
LOL

Your mom didn't think it was odd that he looked like he was going to make out with his daughter?
Yep, that too!
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Why does everyone in Salem believe that a custody fight that hasn't even began is a motive to murder someone? And they don't even know about the blackmail. Why do they believe Will would've lost custody to his daughter and with such restricted visitation?
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Kaha
May 15 2014, 11:03 PM
3WishGenie
May 15 2014, 10:11 PM
My favorite part of today was the return of badass Detective Hope Brady grilling EJ. Nobody is buying his crap except Sami!

EJ and Abby are still hot and I'm disappointed he didn't "keep her quiet" like he did before.

The continued ruination of Nicole has me reaching for the barf bag. Just when I thought they cannot make Nicole more pathetic here it is.
I didn't think Hope was such a badass with EJ. I think she used up all her antagonism with Will. She was tougher and colder to Will than she was with EJ. But I get that because she's freshly grieving for Nick and is probably little bit angry with Will.
I think she was probably harder on Will because she sensed he wasn't being completely truthful with him. When it came to EJ, it was all about trying to get the info from him without getting played by him or believing some piece of fiction EJ was pulling out of his ass as he talked.
Is Hope's familial relation to Nick and the fact that she's grieving his death playing a part in how she's coming across during her interviews? Of course. Her extra toughness is a defense. She has to look professional.
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May 15 2014, 02:18 PM
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May 15 2014, 02:08 PM
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May 15 2014, 01:51 PM
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May 15 2014, 01:43 PM

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I agree. Being comfortable in romantic scenes doesn't make him a better actor . He's still not Will to me.
He's Will to me. I can't speak to any other incarnations of Will pre CM, as I didn't watch the show so I cannot compare any other actor who has played the role. So maybe that's why I'm more accepting and less critical of Guy. I've only been through one recast of the character and by the time Guy had taken over the role, I was over Chandler Massey's listless acting. In the beginning CM was amazing as vulnerable/emotionally battered Will and totally deserved those emmy's imo. But by the time he'd left even I, a most ardent supporter could see that he gave no shits about the character he was playing or the scenes he was filming. But that is jmo, and I wish CM well.

I'm not bothered by Guy's blue steel, I saw a candid photo of him and his sister and she has that blue steel look about her as well, so maybe some of it is just the way his face is. Personally, I do think Guy is a good actor and I'm glad that he stepped into take over a character that is important to me and to play 1/2 of a couple that is even more important to me. If the ptb's listened to some of CM's fans, then we wouldn't even have WilSon on screen any more as many of them thought Freddie should be written out and the two of the exit the show together.
I only came to Days with Freddie so I have no idea of the quality of Chandler's acting when he first started, but I am curious did he come in giving emmy worthy performances? I also think that acting in an atmosphere of filming more than one show a day and no retakes, and an attitude of if it is passable keep going would not be conducive to the best in the way of acting. Personally, I see GW as a good actor, but those are just some things to consider if your view is otherwise.
Chandler was quiet and shy at first but he seemed to grow more confident with the material he was given and he grew into a fine actor within the first year. The more dramatic material seemed to be challenging for him and he really did a great job with it. Of course there was the fluff stuff (summer beach beefcake stories) with no substance to it so he was not really challenged by it. But the stuff with shooting EJ and the blackmail/working for EJ and the coming out storylines is where he really shined.
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DawnElicia
May 15 2014, 08:58 PM
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May 15 2014, 04:31 PM
Matt
May 15 2014, 12:50 PM
Elope is the highlight of the episode.

Because love sometimes DOES hit you right over the head...
As much of a not fan of EJ as I am, I will say that I will miss Elope scenes! KA & JS played really well opposite each other (especially with that undertone of sexual attractedness).
I don't think there will be an Elope scene that will outdo the talk in the rectory where EJ kissed Hope's cheek & her knee unlocked. lol.
Is there a clip or a gif of that I dont remember that scene of EJ's
It's At the end of this short Eric and EJ scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_e-fL_aRwI
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Kaha
May 15 2014, 11:13 PM
Why does everyone in Salem believe that a custody fight that hasn't even began is a motive to murder someone? And they don't even know about the blackmail. Why do they believe Will would've lost custody to his daughter and with such restricted visitation?
Nick's involvement in the custody suit was the source of Will & Sonny's current anger towards Nick. And Sonny admitted to Hope that anger was a natural response when Nick was around, while Will admitted to Hope that he had gotten into a fight with Nick & even threatened his life. So it's not the custody agreement so much as it is Nick's involvement in the happenings in the Gabi/Will/Sonny household.
I don't think people believe that Will would've lost custody. But both Will & Sonny are trying to make it clear that Nick was trying to basically shut Will (& Sonny by extension) out of Ari's life.
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May 15 2014, 11:16 PM
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May 15 2014, 11:03 PM
3WishGenie
May 15 2014, 10:11 PM
My favorite part of today was the return of badass Detective Hope Brady grilling EJ. Nobody is buying his crap except Sami!

EJ and Abby are still hot and I'm disappointed he didn't "keep her quiet" like he did before.

The continued ruination of Nicole has me reaching for the barf bag. Just when I thought they cannot make Nicole more pathetic here it is.
I didn't think Hope was such a badass with EJ. I think she used up all her antagonism with Will. She was tougher and colder to Will than she was with EJ. But I get that because she's freshly grieving for Nick and is probably little bit angry with Will.
I think she was probably harder on Will because she sensed he wasn't being completely truthful with him. When it came to EJ, it was all about trying to get the info from him without getting played by him or believing some piece of fiction EJ was pulling out of his ass as he talked.
Is Hope's familial relation to Nick and the fact that she's grieving his death playing a part in how she's coming across during her interviews? Of course. Her extra toughness is a defense. She has to look professional.
I agree with you. I also think it's hard for her to suspect Will. I am sure she loves him and it's hard on her to be put in this position but she might be thinking she's the best person to investigate this, although I don't agree. It's interesting that Hope was easier and gentler with Sonny than Will. Maybe because she believes Will is a hothead while Sonny is more rational, so she took different tacktic with each based on their personality.

I thought both EJ and Will told unnecessary lies. EJ could've said that he went to see Nick about the custody. As Will's lawyer he was trying to reason with Nick or something like that. I think Will lied because he's trying to protect Sonny. Maybe he wants to make himself a suspect to take attention away from Sonny.
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Kaha
May 15 2014, 11:25 PM
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May 15 2014, 11:16 PM
Kaha
May 15 2014, 11:03 PM
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May 15 2014, 10:11 PM
My favorite part of today was the return of badass Detective Hope Brady grilling EJ. Nobody is buying his crap except Sami!

EJ and Abby are still hot and I'm disappointed he didn't "keep her quiet" like he did before.

The continued ruination of Nicole has me reaching for the barf bag. Just when I thought they cannot make Nicole more pathetic here it is.
I didn't think Hope was such a badass with EJ. I think she used up all her antagonism with Will. She was tougher and colder to Will than she was with EJ. But I get that because she's freshly grieving for Nick and is probably little bit angry with Will.
I think she was probably harder on Will because she sensed he wasn't being completely truthful with him. When it came to EJ, it was all about trying to get the info from him without getting played by him or believing some piece of fiction EJ was pulling out of his ass as he talked.
Is Hope's familial relation to Nick and the fact that she's grieving his death playing a part in how she's coming across during her interviews? Of course. Her extra toughness is a defense. She has to look professional.
I agree with you. I also think it's hard for her to suspect Will. I am sure she loves him and it's hard on her to be put in this position but she might be thinking she's the best person to investigate this, although I don't agree. It's interesting that Hope was easier and gentler with Sonny than Will. Maybe because she believes Will is a hothead while Sonny is more rational, so she took different tacktic with each based on their personality.

I thought both EJ and Will told unnecessary lies. EJ could've said that he went to see Nick about the custody. As Will's lawyer he was trying to reason with Nick or something like that. I think Will lied because he's trying to protect Sonny. Maybe he wants to make himself a suspect to take attention away from Sonny.
I don't think she was really gentler or easier on Sonny. She was pretty annoyed with him as well. He wasn't exactly giving her straight answers and he was even trying to avoid some questions. I think she's frustrated with both of them because she wants to eliminate them as suspects, but the answers they're giving and what they're saying to her (and somewhat what they're not saying) isn't giving her the reassurance that they didn't shoot Nick.
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May 15 2014, 11:23 PM
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May 15 2014, 11:13 PM
Why does everyone in Salem believe that a custody fight that hasn't even began is a motive to murder someone? And they don't even know about the blackmail. Why do they believe Will would've lost custody to his daughter and with such restricted visitation?
Nick's involvement in the custody suit was the source of Will & Sonny's current anger towards Nick. And Sonny admitted to Hope that anger was a natural response when Nick was around, while Will admitted to Hope that he had gotten into a fight with Nick & even threatened his life. So it's not the custody agreement so much as it is Nick's involvement in the happenings in the Gabi/Will/Sonny household.
I don't think people believe that Will would've lost custody. But both Will & Sonny are trying to make it clear that Nick was trying to basically shut Will (& Sonny by extension) out of Ari's life.
You can hate someone and be angry with them but that doesn't mean you'll kill them. If Hope found out about the blackmail stuff then yes, that gives them strong motivation. But all she has right now is Nick involving himself with a custody battle his involvement would've actually made Gabi's case less favorable. So, why would they think Will or Sonny would be so desperate to eliminate Nick. It's just too flimsy. And that's why I found Marlena's declaration that Will has a strong motive to kill Nick, really ridiculous. Unless, she knows about the blackmail stuff which I doubt.
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What year is this?

Lil
May 15 2014, 02:03 PM
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May 15 2014, 01:59 PM
Adding another opinion to the Guy Wilson comments: The thing I hate most about how far in advance Days films is when new people come on to the show, it takes them 5+ months to see their work on tv. Sure they may be able to watch some of their episodes beforehand on monitors or if they have access to "dailies" but it's prolly different when you are at home in front of your tv watching the show like everyone else does. There's certain things you see that were choices you made acting wise that maybe don't work how you intended and due to the shooting schedule, ya can't see if newer actors change their style after seeing themselves until 5+ months later!
Ah, but one would think a director could point such things out too.
Not to mention that certain other actors didn't seem to have this issue when first starting. Take Casey Moss, for example. Sure his character has been ruined by the forced worship of the Orange Shrine, but he jumped into his very first acting job as though he was a seasoned pro....a complete natural, who instantly came across as a very real person, not a stiff-as-a-board mannequin posing and mugging for the camera so hard that spitting his lines out comes across an afterthought. GW always seems like he is more concerned with how he is going to look onscreen than he is with the delivery of his lines. And it comes across that he is reciting memorized lines, very unnatural.....and that is NOT good acting

ETA: and while I agree with james that the recast could have been worse, I think it certainly could have been a hell of alot better. I completely relate to Lil about Guy ruining Will for me. I just don't like him, and that IS a damn shame, because I love the character and was invested in him and his relationships until Guy came along :-/ (and it probably doesn't help any that I don't find him remotely attractive either, lol)
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May 15 2014, 10:14 PM
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Too true.I would give anything for another opportunity for an EJ/Abby baby before EJ leaves Salem.Interesting to see Abby and Chad deal with that issue.
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That's how I feel watching EJ and Sami together. ;)
Touche!
Ejabby to me is gross. EJ's head always looks so big next to Abigail's. And i couldnt tell if he was being creepy or sexy today - his penis seemed confused :shrug:
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I thought the Ejabby affair was hot but I didnīt found them hot on thursdayīs show. I donīt see how it can be hot when Abby is being scared of him, and Iīm not sure if I liked EJ in those scenes or if he was creepy. In JS interview before it didnīt make sense when he talked about staying close to Abby just so he could controll her but he did it in these scenes.

I did like the EJ in the Elope scenes though.
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May 15 2014, 10:17 PM
How are Eric and Jennifer related? Eric's parents are Marlena and Roman. Marlena is not related to anyone but the Brady's by marriage. Jenn's parents are Bill and Laura. Bill is a Horton and Laura is a Spencer. What am I missing?

You are correct.
They aren't related at all.

This whole misunderstanding started when the discussion speculated that ThePowersThatBe might be heading towards a Jen/Eric pairing.

Someone wondered if they were cousins.
(It was clarified they are NOT cousins).

Someone wished for something -- anything -- to prevent any JenEric pairing,
because a JenEric pairing sounds blah.
Someone mentioned a *wishful* thinking that *if* they were cousins, they couldn't be paired.
But unfortunately they are NOT cousins, so therefore unfortunately TPTB *could* pair them.

The poster went on to point out ...
that Jen and Eric are in different generations.
Therefore, it would be weird to pair Jen and Eric, based on generational difference..
And emphasized they are NOT related.

However, meanwhile,
someone else quoted an earlier post which included the incorrect mention of cousins ...
and then that got requoted in a series of nested quotes --
meanwhile other members continued pointing out they are NOT cousins,
but the series of nested quotes kept getting repeated as other parts of the episode got mentioned ...
and yet others replying they are NOT cousins. Etc. etc. etc.

Repeat: Jen and Eric are not cousins. Not related! Not at all !
Edited by nananana7, May 16 2014, 04:33 AM.
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I never heard the word smarmy before so I looked it up. This site is very good for enhancing my english vocabulary - smarmy and douchebag lol.
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