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Spoilers for the week of May 26th; *updated 5/19*
Topic Started: May 15 2014, 09:06 AM (31,300 Views)
james0479
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We should all take the cue from Hamilton and start tweeting, Facebooking, etc #FreeNicole to @nbcdays!!! We can mention that we don't want her freed of Eric (if you are an Ericole fan) but freed by the horrendous destruction the writing has done to a character loved by many who was in the best part of a killer overall redemption story when the writing went stupid.
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If the gun that killed that Nick had been used in a previous crime and the police had those ballistics on file then couldn't they trace the gun that way? At least it works that way on Law and Order./
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leela46
May 15 2014, 01:48 PM
If the gun that killed that Nick had been used in a previous crime and the police had those ballistics on file then couldn't they trace the gun that way? At least it works that way on Law and Order./
Sadly the Salem PD compared to the detective work of Law and Order is like comparing an orange to a giraffe. There's literally nothing in common with the two. ;)
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:thumbsdown: I'm not happy that Nicole is going to come crashing down because you know there will be a line of townspeople there shouting "burn her! Burn the witch!" There's always a chance that Ericole will talk this out amongst themselves, but JJ's involvement doesn't give me much hope.

What I would like to see:
* Nicole finally tells Eric the truth.
* The two of them argue, fight, hash it out, talk about Nicole's insecurities and their issues.
* Others find out what happened if necessary.

I'm torn about where the blame lies. I tend to yell at the writers for absolutely trashing this character. On-screen, Nicole is ultimately to blame, but Eric has not made this easy for her. On the day Eric returned from the most boring retreat ever and Nicole came back with the evidence, she was ready to give it to him. He interrupted her with the news that he had chosen her and, frankly, he initially gave the impression that he was choosing her over the church as if the latter option was still on the table. On the following episode (a Monday), he told her "I want to be with you, I can't live without you, I choose you" but then started hedging and adding that the church wasn't an option any more. He was sending her some really mixed signals.

Other characters/people might have had enough confidence or faith to give him a chance to choose her, but this is Nicole. Someone else said it upthread -- the one thing she wants in the whole world is someone to love her completely and without qualification. Without meaning to, Eric's hedging about the church played on all of her insecurities. So, yeah, the consequences are on Nicole, but Eric really didn't make her decision easy and she's not confident enough in her worthiness of being loved to make a hard decision like that one.

ETA: Just to be clear, I'm not putting blame on Eric. Nicole is responsible for her own actions and I'm pissed they didn't let the story play out naturally. I just think Eric doesn't quite understand either Nicole or himself very well and inadvertently made things worse.
Edited by Ophelia, May 15 2014, 01:55 PM.
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leela46
May 15 2014, 01:48 PM
If the gun that killed that Nick had been used in a previous crime and the police had those ballistics on file then couldn't they trace the gun that way? At least it works that way on Law and Order./
Yeah but as someone said I think it should simply be a matter of comparing the bullet to guns that are registered in that area. I mean, surely police has access to such details these days. And once they would see that one of those guns were registered to Victor, I'm sure there really wouldn't be anything else to it. I think it should be as simple as that.
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Ophelia
May 15 2014, 01:52 PM
:thumbsdown: I'm not happy that Nicole is going to come crashing down because you know there will be a line of townspeople there shouting "burn her! Burn the witch!" There's always a chance that Ericole will talk this out amongst themselves, but JJ's involvement doesn't give me much hope.

What I would like to see:
* Nicole finally tells Eric the truth.
* The two of them argue, fight, hash it out, talk about Nicole's insecurities and their issues.
* Others find out what happened if necessary.

I'm torn about where the blame lies. I tend to yell at the writers for absolutely trashing this character. On-screen, Nicole is ultimately to blame, but Eric has not made this easy for her. On the day Eric returned from the most boring retreat ever and Nicole came back with the evidence, she was ready to give it to him. He interrupted her with the news that he had chosen her and, frankly, he initially gave the impression that he was choosing her over the church as if the latter option was still on the table. On the following episode (a Monday), he told her "I want to be with you, I can't live without you, I choose you" but then started hedging and adding that the church wasn't an option any more. He was sending her some really mixed signals.

Other characters/people might have had enough confidence or faith to give him a chance to choose her, but this is Nicole. Someone else said it upthread -- the one thing she wants in the whole world is someone to love her completely and without qualification. Without meaning to, Eric's hedging about the church played on all of her insecurities. So, yeah, the consequences are on Nicole, but Eric really didn't make her decision easy and she's not confident enough in her worthiness of being loved to make a hard decision like that one.

ETA: Just to be clear, I'm not putting blame on Eric. Nicole is responsible for her own actions and I'm pissed they didn't let the story play out naturally. I just think Eric doesn't quite understand either Nicole or himself very well and inadvertently made things worse.
As much as I want to see Nicole happy what she did with the evidence does fit the character. She finally has a chance for the real happiness that she has always longed for with Eric. But then she gets a bit of mixed message from him and isn't sure if he would return to the church if he had the evidence. So she decides to destroy the evidence so she can have her happily ever after. She doesn't see it as hurting Eric because she knows that she loves him and would make him happy. I think that eventually they will make it through this. But she has to start trusting Eric's love for for her and quit sabotaging herself.
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Ophelia
May 15 2014, 01:52 PM
ETA: Just to be clear, I'm not putting blame on Eric. Nicole is responsible for her own actions and I'm pissed they didn't let the story play out naturally. I just think Eric doesn't quite understand either Nicole or himself very well and inadvertently made things worse.
Yep, and this is why I never saw how these two would fit together in the first place. They are not only worlds apart and totally different, to me, they don't really even understand how the other's mind would work and why. I mean, Eric is a calm rationalist, who does things in certain ways. He's kind and considerate, but he's never going to really be on the same level with Nicole. And even though they would both know that and try to think about ways to co-exist it would always be trying on some level. I mean, it's visible already, Nicole is continuosly trying to be "the kind of woman Eric wants her to be" but that cannot last in the long haul. To me I could in some ways equate it to Sami and Rafe. With Rafe, Sami was always trying, she could never really just "be". I kind of see the same for Nicole and Eric. It's sort of an "achievement" for Nicole to be able to be with a man like Eric, but that cannot be what you build your whole life on. People can build their career and jobs on achievements and trying, but in your personal life you're just going to want to "be" at times and not try something.
Edited by Yoryla, May 15 2014, 02:10 PM.
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Totally off topic but Yoryla...every time I see a post of yours I get giddy because I'm SO freaking excited for Eileen Davidson to be back on my screen as Kristen on Days!! I love her soooooooo much. ;)
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james0479
May 15 2014, 02:10 PM
Totally off topic but Yoryla...every time I see a post of yours I get giddy because I'm SO freaking excited for Eileen Davidson to be back on my screen as Kristen on Days!! I love her soooooooo much. ;)
Aww :D Thanks, so glad I can help :D You probably couldn't have guessed this but I'm pretty excited too! :D
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Yoryla
May 15 2014, 02:09 PM
Ophelia
May 15 2014, 01:52 PM
ETA: Just to be clear, I'm not putting blame on Eric. Nicole is responsible for her own actions and I'm pissed they didn't let the story play out naturally. I just think Eric doesn't quite understand either Nicole or himself very well and inadvertently made things worse.
Yep, and this is why I never saw how these two would fit together in the first place. They are not only worlds apart and totally different, to me, they don't really even understand how the other's mind would work and why. I mean, Eric is a calm rationalist, who does things in certain ways. He's kind and considerate, but he's never going to really be on the same level with Nicole. And even though they would both know that and try to think about ways to co-exist it would always be trying on some level. I mean, it's visible already, Nicole is continuosly trying to be "the kind of woman Eric wants her to be" but that cannot last in the long haul. To me I could in some ways equate it to Sami and Rafe. With Rafe, Sami was always trying, she could never really just "be". I kind of see the same for Nicole and Eric. It's sort of an "achievement" for Nicole to be able to be with a man like Eric, but that cannot be what you build your whole life on. People can build their career and jobs on achievements and trying, but in your personal life you're just going to want to "be" at times and not try something.
I can't begin to describe how badly I wanted the personality clashes you described to play out in small doses on-screen after Ericole was together and after the honeymoon period was over. It feels like we're going to get Jeneric instead and that feels like Greta/Eric 2.0, which I HATED. (I wasn't on the boards during that time -- what was their portmanteau? Erta? Geriatric?)

Anyhow, their chemistry and history make me root for them to figure it out. I do think that both of them need to do a little soul-searching. Eric has always seemed as though he was running to the priesthood out of a sense of guilt and obligation, rather than as a true calling. It wouldn't surprise me if he became a lot less subdued once he realizes that. Nicole has a laundry list of issues and she's a passionate person, but she would be a lot better off if she dealt with the source of her anger and self-loathing. I don't know, I think there's a middle ground for them.

I don't disagree with your point. I just think Ericole is a lot more fun to watch that Jeneric or Danicole would be. :)
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Yoryla
May 15 2014, 02:09 PM
Ophelia
May 15 2014, 01:52 PM
ETA: Just to be clear, I'm not putting blame on Eric. Nicole is responsible for her own actions and I'm pissed they didn't let the story play out naturally. I just think Eric doesn't quite understand either Nicole or himself very well and inadvertently made things worse.
Yep, and this is why I never saw how these two would fit together in the first place. They are not only worlds apart and totally different, to me, they don't really even understand how the other's mind would work and why. I mean, Eric is a calm rationalist, who does things in certain ways. He's kind and considerate, but he's never going to really be on the same level with Nicole. And even though they would both know that and try to think about ways to co-exist it would always be trying on some level. I mean, it's visible already, Nicole is continuosly trying to be "the kind of woman Eric wants her to be" but that cannot last in the long haul. To me I could in some ways equate it to Sami and Rafe. With Rafe, Sami was always trying, she could never really just "be". I kind of see the same for Nicole and Eric. It's sort of an "achievement" for Nicole to be able to be with a man like Eric, but that cannot be what you build your whole life on. People can build their career and jobs on achievements and trying, but in your personal life you're just going to want to "be" at times and not try something.
:applause: :applause: :applause:
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Yoryla
May 15 2014, 02:12 PM
james0479
May 15 2014, 02:10 PM
Totally off topic but Yoryla...every time I see a post of yours I get giddy because I'm SO freaking excited for Eileen Davidson to be back on my screen as Kristen on Days!! I love her soooooooo much. ;)
Aww :D Thanks, so glad I can help :D You probably couldn't have guessed this but I'm pretty excited too! :D
Your signature is really awesome. :). I think, I've already asked you not to change it. Not ever :D! (Just in case you've forgotten it :D)
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May 15 2014, 01:21 PM
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May 15 2014, 01:09 PM
Wouldn't it be a cool twist if Lucas really did turn out to be the killer? I'm totally excited about the search warrant and Kiriakis mansion spoiler, must mean they are zeroing in on Sonny. I really hope that Victor is there badgering the csi crew as they search. Heh that would be fun. :)
No, because I don't want to see Bryan leave the show.
I was thinking we'd get to see more of Bryan because it would be a sl for him. We'd get to see the trial ect...then at the end of the trial he'd somehow be exhonerated or found not guilty to due to extreme circumstances or something like that.
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I fuggin hate Dr Tan! His character is in my top five most hated along with that daughter of his with the big toothies! :flipoff: :flipoff: :flipoff: :flipoff:
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May 15 2014, 09:30 AM
Well damn, the WilSon stuff and the Nick murder stuff sounds really interesting. Looking forward to see how it goes down.
I wonder if Sami would feel guilt. If Will false confesses to spare Sonny and they are separated.

But as usual it's pretty clear the hitman had nothing to do with it because Sami always wins.
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Yoryla
May 15 2014, 10:36 AM
I wonder what JJ will do to cause Nicole's downfall. I also wonder why they are involving him in this, will this mean something in the future or are they just trying to get other some storyline for him.

Kind of lol at the fact that Ciara or Theo or any of the kids did not get their hands on the evidence. :blulaugh:

Would have loved to see what Ciara would have done with it :blulaugh:
Great just what I need Paige and JJ added to the Ericole storyline.

Aren't we carrying enough dead weight already.


Bring back Brady & Kristen.
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May 15 2014, 12:02 PM
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May 15 2014, 10:23 AM
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May 15 2014, 10:11 AM
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May 15 2014, 09:34 AM

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It is partially his fault Nicole did what she did. She asked him several times if there was evidence to clear him, would he still choose her over the church. Not to mention, he did accuse her of rape, and she forgave him. It's time for Eric to not fall into the trap of being like his hypocritical family ready to sit there and bash Nicole. If he really loves her, then he will talk it out in private with her and keep others out. Standing around and allowing people to degrade the woman you love does not show love!!!
Whether he was going to choose her or the church ,it was not Nicole' s decision to make. Her motives were selfish. Now she finds hwrself deep in this mess because she told one lie after another to save he r own butt. Maybe she should move on if she can' t handle being honest.
Damn, I hate agreeing on this, but I do. The possibilities.......If only Nicole had turned it over, we could have had beautiful angst with Eric trying to decide between the church and Nicole...
Does that mean I would have had to sit through Brother Timmy all over again.


I think I'll take the shredded evidence.
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May 15 2014, 03:39 PM
Does that mean I would have had to sit through Brother Timmy all over again.


I think I'll take the shredded evidence.
I like to imagine it as Eric goes back to the priesthood, but he can't stop thinking about Nicole. <insert lots of nekkid GV dream sequences> In the meantime, she and Brady date casually so we can get a nice Brady/Nicole interlude with Eric pining. Eric finally does some actual soul-searching, realizes that he's been trying to absolve his guilt about what happened in Africa by joining the priesthood, chooses to leave the Church because he's in it for the wrong reasons and rushes to declare his love for Nicole. There are all sorts of possibilities for angst and character development all around and it would certainly be a lot less painful than we got.

Plus, that part about GV being nekkid in Eric's sexy time dreams about Nicole.

ETA: Yeah, I know I'm fanwanking, but this story has taken such a rotten turn that I occasionally need to pretend they're going to pull it out of the crapper.
Edited by Ophelia, May 15 2014, 04:13 PM.
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It's probably JJ finding more information when he's doing community service
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phloe3
May 15 2014, 04:14 PM
It's probably JJ finding more information when he's doing community service
I will cry if this happens. Because he'll undoubtedly take it right to Jen and she'll show it to Dan and everyone will be in on Ericole's business.
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