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May 17 2014, 01:58 PM
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- May 17 2014, 01:46 PM
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- May 17 2014, 12:18 PM
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- May 17 2014, 12:02 PM
Late to the party, but here nevertheless. :)Loved all things WilSon (of course) especially the couch scene and declarations of ultimate love! At first, I thought Sonny was reading as the only one guilty of the pair, but today, Will seemed it too. But as Honeybees already stated up thread each one thinks it is the other and that they are protecting each other therefore, neither one is the murderer. The suspect pool is growing smaller, so small that it can really only be Gabi or Lucas who did the killing. I'm betting it will be Gabi, in the park with the Kiriakis gun. Kate's gun is missing, and Lucas is really the only one who could have taken it, and I'm betting he did, but never got the chance to use it. Or maybe he did use it and Gabi never got a chance to use her weapon! Ahhhh....okay I admit it, I'm liking this mystery despite there only being two suspects left. Another great day for KA fans, she was really good today, most of her acting was subtle, you could see how much Abigail's statement affected her. I think Hope expected negative comments from everyone she has talked to so far due to the custody stuff. But to hear that Abigail was afraid of Nick...in that moment when they were arguing and to hear from Abigail about the custody and the lawyer, well I think it just hit home for Hope that she really didn't know her cousin as well as she thought she did, and it hurt. I also thought KM was exceptionally good in these scenes too, I am liking her character more and more and even though she didn't know Ben's last name, she knew that he worked for Sonny, and Abigail trusts Sonny, no way would he would hire a crazy psycho! ;) And for the record, I do not think Abigail was a whore (insert favourite slur here) for kissing Ben. There I said it, and I'm also going to say I like the idea of Ben and Abi....would that then be BAbi? How annoying it must be for that pesky Nick's murder to come up right in the middle of Dan's bullying and manhandling of Nicole and his forcing her to tell Eric the truth. /snark. Okay, I don't get this sl at all. Why is Dan in the middle of it? The writers should have left this sl with Dan recommending to Nicole that she tell Eric the truth so that her marriage starts off 'clean'. Then, we could have had some nice angsty scene's of Nicole soul searching followed up by her confession. It would have been good for Eric to have made the choice between Nicole and his priest's collar but no...instead we get St. Dan lording over Nicole like he's never done anything shady before. I literally hate the character of Dan why do the writers love him so much! It's frustrating and I'm a new viewer, I can't even imagine having to put up with this guy for the entire time he's been on. And I am sorry to say, but there is soooo going to be a quadrangle featuring Eric/Nicole/Jen/Dan .... which is just ewwwww imo. Interesting but unimportant: When I see KM I can totally buy that she is cousins to Nick/Will and Sonny. She has the same lips/mouth as Nick, Sonny's big dark eyes (yes I know that the relationship comes from Adrienne and Jack and not the greek side but still....) and the same slim stature and fair colouring of Will....just makes them as cousins more believable to me.
I really didn't like Hope. She came off so unprofessionally. She was very cold to Will, mildly cold to Sonny but gentler with him, cowed by EJ and Kate who were both very dismissive to her, and she treated Abigail with kid gloves. Not a shinning moment for Detective Hope Brady! She made a point of calling Will, William and yet she refers to Nick as her cousin. Only in Salem and Port Charles would this kind of thing be allowed. I agree with everything else you said. Although, it's still hard for me to believe that Gabi would shoot anyone in cold blood. Gabi is selfish and always acts in self-interest but she's not a coldblooded killer.
I hate the term "in cold blood" and in this case, I don't even think it applies. I know the show is using it, but if Gabi killed Nick, which I think she did, I don't think it was cold-blooded at all. And honestly, she's the only possible suspect who I think had a real motive for murder (I think the others had motives for other crimes, but murder is kind of a jump). Dude tried to rape her and has been slowly and methodically trying to distance her from her family and friends. Maybe I'm wrong about how CB will leave, but if she goes to prison for this, I'm beyond annoyed....and I don't even like Gabi. I agree about Gabi having more of a legitimate motive than all the other contrived bulshit motives for other characters. But it's still not satisfactory. Unless there's a missing scene between Nick and Gabi, she doesn't know the worst of it. Last time she was with him or anyone talked to her about Nick, she looked frightened but resigned to her fate with Nick and his manipulation of her. I can see her killing him in the heat of the moment but not in a premeditated way.
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May 17 2014, 02:08 PM
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- May 17 2014, 12:02 PM
Late to the party, but here nevertheless. :)Loved all things WilSon (of course) especially the couch scene and declarations of ultimate love! At first, I thought Sonny was reading as the only one guilty of the pair, but today, Will seemed it too. But as Honeybees already stated up thread each one thinks it is the other and that they are protecting each other therefore, neither one is the murderer. The suspect pool is growing smaller, so small that it can really only be Gabi or Lucas who did the killing. I'm betting it will be Gabi, in the park with the Kiriakis gun. Kate's gun is missing, and Lucas is really the only one who could have taken it, and I'm betting he did, but never got the chance to use it. Or maybe he did use it and Gabi never got a chance to use her weapon! Ahhhh....okay I admit it, I'm liking this mystery despite there only being two suspects left. Another great day for KA fans, she was really good today, most of her acting was subtle, you could see how much Abigail's statement affected her. I think Hope expected negative comments from everyone she has talked to so far due to the custody stuff. But to hear that Abigail was afraid of Nick...in that moment when they were arguing and to hear from Abigail about the custody and the lawyer, well I think it just hit home for Hope that she really didn't know her cousin as well as she thought she did, and it hurt. I also thought KM was exceptionally good in these scenes too, I am liking her character more and more and even though she didn't know Ben's last name, she knew that he worked for Sonny, and Abigail trusts Sonny, no way would he would hire a crazy psycho! ;) And for the record, I do not think Abigail was a whore (insert favourite slur here) for kissing Ben. There I said it, and I'm also going to say I like the idea of Ben and Abi....would that then be BAbi? How annoying it must be for that pesky Nick's murder to come up right in the middle of Dan's bullying and manhandling of Nicole and his forcing her to tell Eric the truth. /snark. Okay, I don't get this sl at all. Why is Dan in the middle of it? The writers should have left this sl with Dan recommending to Nicole that she tell Eric the truth so that her marriage starts off 'clean'. Then, we could have had some nice angsty scene's of Nicole soul searching followed up by her confession. It would have been good for Eric to have made the choice between Nicole and his priest's collar but no...instead we get St. Dan lording over Nicole like he's never done anything shady before. I literally hate the character of Dan why do the writers love him so much! It's frustrating and I'm a new viewer, I can't even imagine having to put up with this guy for the entire time he's been on. And I am sorry to say, but there is soooo going to be a quadrangle featuring Eric/Nicole/Jen/Dan .... which is just ewwwww imo. Interesting but unimportant: When I see KM I can totally buy that she is cousins to Nick/Will and Sonny. She has the same lips/mouth as Nick, Sonny's big dark eyes (yes I know that the relationship comes from Adrienne and Jack and not the greek side but still....) and the same slim stature and fair colouring of Will....just makes them as cousins more believable to me. Great post!
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May 17 2014, 02:14 PM
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A few more after thoughts:
Sonny and EJ for some reason was a little bit wtf? for me. Sonny was all jumpy/distracted one minute and then the next he was Mr. casual conversation discussing custody with a very relaxed EJ....I feel like something was cut from those scenes...or did I just miss the intent of those scenes?
I did notice the different treatment each 'suspect' got from Hope....Interesting to say the least. I'm left wondering why Will got the harsh grilling and the rest of them not so much? Some underlying resentment at Will for Nick's no one will forgive me everyone in this town hate's me status? Yet she was very gentle with Abigail.
The Report on Hope's desk was interesting, a report for the requesting of a ballistics...something or other. Her hand was on it so it must be important. At any rate, nice to see Roman was going to light some fires under some one in the station. heh.
As soon as Will told Sonny that there was nothing to tie them to the gun, I thought I heard an anvil hit the ground.....Spoiler: click to toggle and knowing that spoilers say there will be a search of the Kiriakis mansion, I'm betting that the only fingerprint the Salem crime lab finds is Sonny's on the bullets or on the keyhole of the box or in some other place that makes him look guilty.
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May 17 2014, 02:17 PM
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- May 17 2014, 02:08 PM
Great post! Thanks :D
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May 17 2014, 02:35 PM
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Maybe John killed Nick, you know, so he could have more screen time. LOL
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May 17 2014, 03:04 PM
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Just rewatched Friday's show. When Sonny was talking to EJ I noticed he had no chest hair. Later in the show when Sonny and Will were talking in the apartment Sonny had suddenly grown chest hair. This was supposedly the same day in Salem. Just an observation.
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May 17 2014, 03:10 PM
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A few more after thoughts: Sonny and EJ for some reason was a little bit wtf? for me. Sonny was all jumpy/distracted one minute and then the next he was Mr. casual conversation discussing custody with a very relaxed EJ....I feel like something was cut from those scenes...or did I just miss the intent of those scenes? I did notice the different treatment each 'suspect' got from Hope....Interesting to say the least. I'm left wondering why Will got the harsh grilling and the rest of them not so much? Some underlying resentment at Will for Nick's no one will forgive me everyone in this town hate's me status? Yet she was very gentle with Abigail. The Report on Hope's desk was interesting, a report for the requesting of a ballistics...something or other. Her hand was on it so it must be important. At any rate, nice to see Roman was going to light some fires under some one in the station. heh. As soon as Will told Sonny that there was nothing to tie them to the gun, I thought I heard an anvil hit the ground..... Spoiler: click to toggle and knowing that spoilers say there will be a search of the Kiriakis mansion, I'm betting that the only fingerprint the Salem crime lab finds is Sonny's on the bullets or on the keyhole of the box or in some other place that makes him look guilty.
I have a strong feeling that Sonny will be arrested at some point. I also think Lucas will, and that will lead Will to finally come clean about shooting EJ. I will be curious to see if Hope is surprised to learn that Lucas did not shoot EJ.
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May 17 2014, 03:16 PM
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I'm still not ruling out Percy as the murderer.
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May 17 2014, 03:29 PM
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- May 17 2014, 09:50 AM
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Its weird that they write characters stating Sami is a great mother,then write her as acknowledging that Allie was so traumatized that she needed to see a therapist but deciding it is more important that she take care of a "work thing" than stay with her daughter and comforting her.She is the head of a department but she does not have an assistant who could bring material to her so she could work from home.Marlena gave Sami the card with the name of the therapist on it and the information so important to her that she referred to the therapist as "that woman" rather than by name or profession.She could easily have been written to refer to the person as "Allie's therapist".The writers don't even show Sami doing something so important that she had to leave Allie with EJ and Marleana.She appeared to know about her "work thing" when she was talking to Lucas.Why couldn't she ask Lucas to stay with Allie until she got back.The writers are not doing Sami any favors. I hope they are not going to make the hitman so stupid that he tells Sami that he is not the one who killed Nick.Why would someone who murders people for a living be so scrupulous that he would let the client know he is not the person who murdered the person he contracted to kill? Even if he had not been paid in full,he could just ask for the remainder of the money,how would EJ know he did not kill Nick? Why would he contact Sami? The only person he spoke with was EJ.Its not likely EJ told the hitman that he and Sami wanted to hire him.EJ might not want Sami to know he hired a hitman.For all he knows he is giving Sami information she could use against EJ.I will wait until Monday to see how it plays out but after the idiocy displayed by Nicole,Sami,and EJ,I don't hold out much hope that the hit man will be intelligent.
I thought it was beyond stupid that the hitman would approach Sami, not knowing she is even aware of the hit. It makes absolutely no sense. It would not only implicate Ej, he would be implicating himself as well to the daughter of the police commissioner no less. I am not sure if it is a thing against working mothers in general or just a Sami thing, but you seem to feel that mothers who tries to balance being a mom and having a career are bad moms. Samis is being crucified for leaving Allie with her loving step dad and grandmother for a short moment to attend an important meeting. Yet Lucas is given a pass for doing the exact same thing the night of the traumatic event. Except Lucas did not have any work obligation that night, he chose to leave Allie with Caroline (who has alzheimer) so he could run to the hospital for no valid reason other than plot point. This story is not character driven, it is plot driven. It is for it is. The writing for working Sami has been horrible. The last 2 times she went away for a day on a business trip, her fiancé was banging the babysitter and she doesn't have time to make cupcakes with her son. Now she's leaving her grief-stricken daughter for a meeting. Of course, she does have time to hang out with said babysitter, learning art history. :shrug:
I personally think the writers are pushing the bad working mom/woman image a bit much. I have the great fortune of not having to work outside the home(if you don't include the 20 hours a week I spend volunteering at school), but I can still understand a working mom taking offense to the message they are sending, intentional or not.
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May 17 2014, 05:27 PM
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- May 17 2014, 12:11 PM
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As a working mom, I can testify that I have had to leave my sick child home with either my husband or a relative to go to work countless times. You feel guilty about it and you check on them. But in the end, you do what you have to do knowing that your child is with trusted hands. Sami is not just a mom, but she is running a multimillion dollar corporation. She said she would only be gone for a very short time. Allie was with her loving step dad and her grandma. I don't see what the big deal is specially since she checked up on her and expressed genuine concern unlike Lucas who thinks that one visit to the doctor magically fixed Allie's trauma LOL.
Yea, NO. Her daughter saw her cousin shot and in the throws of dying, Ms. Multimillion dollar executive can take a day off.
It might've been something that was hard to re-schedule. A deal that she had to make with people who flew from Chicago to meet with her. And it's not like she left her daughter alone or with a sitter. She called her mother and left her in her care. Millions of working mothers make that hard choice everyday. I just think the show could've presented it better. Actually I don't really blame Sami. It's the stupid plot over character thing that Days always does. It was just weird and kind of ridiculous, but that's par for the course with this show. Now if they could have found a way to get the hit man into the DiMansion instead of having to get Sami out of the house to run into him... :D
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May 17 2014, 05:28 PM
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I have a question. Did Hope make a copy of Marlena's cell phone message from Nick? Because Marlena took her phone with her and I don't remember Hope making a copy. I would think the cops would have to confiscate the phone.
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May 17 2014, 06:12 PM
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hope said she'd have one of the techs make a copy, but of course, we didn't see that happen
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May 17 2014, 06:47 PM
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- May 17 2014, 01:58 PM
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Late to the party, but here nevertheless. :)Loved all things WilSon (of course) especially the couch scene and declarations of ultimate love! At first, I thought Sonny was reading as the only one guilty of the pair, but today, Will seemed it too. But as Honeybees already stated up thread each one thinks it is the other and that they are protecting each other therefore, neither one is the murderer. The suspect pool is growing smaller, so small that it can really only be Gabi or Lucas who did the killing. I'm betting it will be Gabi, in the park with the Kiriakis gun. Kate's gun is missing, and Lucas is really the only one who could have taken it, and I'm betting he did, but never got the chance to use it. Or maybe he did use it and Gabi never got a chance to use her weapon! Ahhhh....okay I admit it, I'm liking this mystery despite there only being two suspects left. Another great day for KA fans, she was really good today, most of her acting was subtle, you could see how much Abigail's statement affected her. I think Hope expected negative comments from everyone she has talked to so far due to the custody stuff. But to hear that Abigail was afraid of Nick...in that moment when they were arguing and to hear from Abigail about the custody and the lawyer, well I think it just hit home for Hope that she really didn't know her cousin as well as she thought she did, and it hurt. I also thought KM was exceptionally good in these scenes too, I am liking her character more and more and even though she didn't know Ben's last name, she knew that he worked for Sonny, and Abigail trusts Sonny, no way would he would hire a crazy psycho! ;) And for the record, I do not think Abigail was a whore (insert favourite slur here) for kissing Ben. There I said it, and I'm also going to say I like the idea of Ben and Abi....would that then be BAbi? How annoying it must be for that pesky Nick's murder to come up right in the middle of Dan's bullying and manhandling of Nicole and his forcing her to tell Eric the truth. /snark. Okay, I don't get this sl at all. Why is Dan in the middle of it? The writers should have left this sl with Dan recommending to Nicole that she tell Eric the truth so that her marriage starts off 'clean'. Then, we could have had some nice angsty scene's of Nicole soul searching followed up by her confession. It would have been good for Eric to have made the choice between Nicole and his priest's collar but no...instead we get St. Dan lording over Nicole like he's never done anything shady before. I literally hate the character of Dan why do the writers love him so much! It's frustrating and I'm a new viewer, I can't even imagine having to put up with this guy for the entire time he's been on. And I am sorry to say, but there is soooo going to be a quadrangle featuring Eric/Nicole/Jen/Dan .... which is just ewwwww imo. Interesting but unimportant: When I see KM I can totally buy that she is cousins to Nick/Will and Sonny. She has the same lips/mouth as Nick, Sonny's big dark eyes (yes I know that the relationship comes from Adrienne and Jack and not the greek side but still....) and the same slim stature and fair colouring of Will....just makes them as cousins more believable to me.
I really didn't like Hope. She came off so unprofessionally. She was very cold to Will, mildly cold to Sonny but gentler with him, cowed by EJ and Kate who were both very dismissive to her, and she treated Abigail with kid gloves. Not a shinning moment for Detective Hope Brady! She made a point of calling Will, William and yet she refers to Nick as her cousin. Only in Salem and Port Charles would this kind of thing be allowed. I agree with everything else you said. Although, it's still hard for me to believe that Gabi would shoot anyone in cold blood. Gabi is selfish and always acts in self-interest but she's not a coldblooded killer.
I hate the term "in cold blood" and in this case, I don't even think it applies. I know the show is using it, but if Gabi killed Nick, which I think she did, I don't think it was cold-blooded at all. And honestly, she's the only possible suspect who I think had a real motive for murder (I think the others had motives for other crimes, but murder is kind of a jump). Dude tried to rape her and has been slowly and methodically trying to distance her from her family and friends. Maybe I'm wrong about how CB will leave, but if she goes to prison for this, I'm beyond annoyed....and I don't even like Gabi.
I agree about Gabi having more of a legitimate motive than all the other contrived bulshit motives for other characters. But it's still not satisfactory. Unless there's a missing scene between Nick and Gabi, she doesn't know the worst of it. Last time she was with him or anyone talked to her about Nick, she looked frightened but resigned to her fate with Nick and his manipulation of her. I can see her killing him in the heat of the moment but not in a premeditated way. Well if Gabi was in the apartment when Wilson were talking about the gun and Sony mentioned what Nick said about her, I can see her confronting Nick and shooting him (except there was no confrontation as far as we could see :shrug: ). Gabi was starting to realize that Nick was unhinged and wanted to control her and Ari during their last scenes. So hearing Sony confirm her fears could send her over the edge.
I am in the minority, but I think Gabi capable of shooting someone to take back the power and protect her child. I just think it is a stupid move which will blow up in her face. She was not out of options. She had an army of people who cared about her, willing to help her and fight Nick on her behalf. If she felt she was running out of options, she could have turned to Rafe, Ejami, Kate, or Wilson.
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May 17 2014, 07:04 PM
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Its weird that they write characters stating Sami is a great mother,then write her as acknowledging that Allie was so traumatized that she needed to see a therapist but deciding it is more important that she take care of a "work thing" than stay with her daughter and comforting her.She is the head of a department but she does not have an assistant who could bring material to her so she could work from home.Marlena gave Sami the card with the name of the therapist on it and the information so important to her that she referred to the therapist as "that woman" rather than by name or profession.She could easily have been written to refer to the person as "Allie's therapist".The writers don't even show Sami doing something so important that she had to leave Allie with EJ and Marleana.She appeared to know about her "work thing" when she was talking to Lucas.Why couldn't she ask Lucas to stay with Allie until she got back.The writers are not doing Sami any favors. I hope they are not going to make the hitman so stupid that he tells Sami that he is not the one who killed Nick.Why would someone who murders people for a living be so scrupulous that he would let the client know he is not the person who murdered the person he contracted to kill? Even if he had not been paid in full,he could just ask for the remainder of the money,how would EJ know he did not kill Nick? Why would he contact Sami? The only person he spoke with was EJ.Its not likely EJ told the hitman that he and Sami wanted to hire him.EJ might not want Sami to know he hired a hitman.For all he knows he is giving Sami information she could use against EJ.I will wait until Monday to see how it plays out but after the idiocy displayed by Nicole,Sami,and EJ,I don't hold out much hope that the hit man will be intelligent.
I thought it was beyond stupid that the hitman would approach Sami, not knowing she is even aware of the hit. It makes absolutely no sense. It would not only implicate Ej, he would be implicating himself as well to the daughter of the police commissioner no less. I am not sure if it is a thing against working mothers in general or just a Sami thing, but you seem to feel that mothers who tries to balance being a mom and having a career are bad moms. Samis is being crucified for leaving Allie with her loving step dad and grandmother for a short moment to attend an important meeting. Yet Lucas is given a pass for doing the exact same thing the night of the traumatic event. Except Lucas did not have any work obligation that night, he chose to leave Allie with Caroline (who has alzheimer) so he could run to the hospital for no valid reason other than plot point. This story is not character driven, it is plot driven. It is for it is.
The writing for working Sami has been horrible. The last 2 times she went away for a day on a business trip, her fiancé was banging the babysitter and she doesn't have time to make cupcakes with her son. Now she's leaving her grief-stricken daughter for a meeting. Of course, she does have time to hang out with said babysitter, learning art history. :shrug: I personally think the writers are pushing the bad working mom/woman image a bit much. I have the great fortune of not having to work outside the home(if you don't include the 20 hours a week I spend volunteering at school), but I can still understand a working mom taking offense to the message they are sending, intentional or not.
I agree that the writing has not done Sami any favors. Both Sami and Ej have been hit really hard by the destructive plot driven writing for months. That is why although I am deeply sad they are leaving, I am also sort of relieved. I am tired of my favorites being used to further the plot with total disregard of their integrity. I guess that is the price you have to pay for being front burner.
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May 17 2014, 07:48 PM
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- Rosebud
- May 17 2014, 05:28 PM
I have a question. Did Hope make a copy of Marlena's cell phone message from Nick? Because Marlena took her phone with her and I don't remember Hope making a copy. I would think the cops would have to confiscate the phone.
- shellyj
- May 17 2014, 06:12 PM
hope said she'd have one of the techs make a copy, but of course, we didn't see that happen It's possible that Marlena gave her phone to one of the techs after she left Hope's office & they immediately made a copy. The message wasn't very long, so it wouldn't take that much time to make a copy. We don't actually know what happened between Marlena leaving Hope's office an being in the pub with Will.
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May 17 2014, 08:22 PM
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- May 17 2014, 09:50 AM
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Its weird that they write characters stating Sami is a great mother,then write her as acknowledging that Allie was so traumatized that she needed to see a therapist but deciding it is more important that she take care of a "work thing" than stay with her daughter and comforting her.She is the head of a department but she does not have an assistant who could bring material to her so she could work from home.Marlena gave Sami the card with the name of the therapist on it and the information so important to her that she referred to the therapist as "that woman" rather than by name or profession.She could easily have been written to refer to the person as "Allie's therapist".The writers don't even show Sami doing something so important that she had to leave Allie with EJ and Marleana.She appeared to know about her "work thing" when she was talking to Lucas.Why couldn't she ask Lucas to stay with Allie until she got back.The writers are not doing Sami any favors. I hope they are not going to make the hitman so stupid that he tells Sami that he is not the one who killed Nick.Why would someone who murders people for a living be so scrupulous that he would let the client know he is not the person who murdered the person he contracted to kill? Even if he had not been paid in full,he could just ask for the remainder of the money,how would EJ know he did not kill Nick? Why would he contact Sami? The only person he spoke with was EJ.Its not likely EJ told the hitman that he and Sami wanted to hire him.EJ might not want Sami to know he hired a hitman.For all he knows he is giving Sami information she could use against EJ.I will wait until Monday to see how it plays out but after the idiocy displayed by Nicole,Sami,and EJ,I don't hold out much hope that the hit man will be intelligent.
I thought it was beyond stupid that the hitman would approach Sami, not knowing she is even aware of the hit. It makes absolutely no sense. It would not only implicate Ej, he would be implicating himself as well to the daughter of the police commissioner no less. I am not sure if it is a thing against working mothers in general or just a Sami thing, but you seem to feel that mothers who tries to balance being a mom and having a career are bad moms. Samis is being crucified for leaving Allie with her loving step dad and grandmother for a short moment to attend an important meeting. Yet Lucas is given a pass for doing the exact same thing the night of the traumatic event. Except Lucas did not have any work obligation that night, he chose to leave Allie with Caroline (who has alzheimer) so he could run to the hospital for no valid reason other than plot point. This story is not character driven, it is plot driven. It is for it is. Lucas took Allie from the square to her great grandmother's residence then stayed with her until she was asleep then he went to the hospital where his son and dying cousin were at the time.Lucas then took his daughter to an appointment with a therapist before returning her to the residence where she lives with her mother who has primary custody of Allie because she stated in the the past she did not want Allie to be separated from her brother and sister which was the reason Lucas allowed Allie to live in the "mausolem of death" instead of taking Sami to court so he could gain primary custody of his daughter.Lucas then left Allie with her mother who said nothimg about being unable to remain with Allie because she had a "work thing"before Lucas left the mansion.If Sami had told Lucas she had a work thing,he would have had the option of staying with Allie but Sami did not tell Lucas about her work thing before he left the mansion. I have nothing against working mothers single or otherwise who must report to work because they have no sick days or family leave days or just cannnot afford to take an unpaid absences from work.Sami is the fiance of the CEO of the company for which she works and the head of a department.I cannot believe EJ would have refused to allow Sami to delegate whatever her work thing was or that he would have refused to allow a messenger to bring the material to Sami so she could work from home or or that EJ would have told Sami she had to go to work regardless of the traumatic experience of her daughter who is soon to be his step daughter,if Sami had asked him to do either of those things.Even EJ is not that big of an asshole.If he did decide to be that big of an asshole,there was nothing to stop Sami from asking Lucas to stay with Allie at the mansion until she finshed her "work thing" and could return home to be with her daughter.If Lucas said no he had aa work thing ,I would say Lucas is being written as a bad father given that he works for Kate and Kate would never tell Lucas that work was more important than Allie.Sami had problems because Marlena was "not there for her".Sami apparently did not feel that Caroline,who rarely if ever left the pub was a perfectly good substitute for her own mother or Sami would not have acted like a bitch about Marlena not being there for her so Sami should have done all she could to be there for Allie.She will willing to have a man killed so her son could have reasonable access to his daughther but she has to leave her traumatized daughter because she has a work thing that she needs to PDF to someone.Not great writing for someone who is supposedly a "good mother".If you re-read my posti I said the writers write characters saying Sami is a good mother then do not write dialogue/behavior that shows her to be a good mother.There are other examples of her bad mothering but I will confine my post to this most recent instance.
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May 17 2014, 08:39 PM
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- elci525
- May 16 2014, 09:06 PM
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Its weird that they write characters stating Sami is a great mother,then write her as acknowledging that Allie was so traumatized that she needed to see a therapist but deciding it is more important that she take care of a "work thing" than stay with her daughter and comforting her.She is the head of a department but she does not have an assistant who could bring material to her so she could work from home.Marlena gave Sami the card with the name of the therapist on it and the information so important to her that she referred to the therapist as "that woman" rather than by name or profession.She could easily have been written to refer to the person as "Allie's therapist".The writers don't even show Sami doing something so important that she had to leave Allie with EJ and Marleana.She appeared to know about her "work thing" when she was talking to Lucas.Why couldn't she ask Lucas to stay with Allie until she got back.The writers are not doing Sami any favors. I hope they are not going to make the hitman so stupid that he tells Sami that he is not the one who killed Nick.Why would someone who murders people for a living be so scrupulous that he would let the client know he is not the person who murdered the person he contracted to kill? Even if he had not been paid in full,he could just ask for the remainder of the money,how would EJ know he did not kill Nick? Why would he contact Sami? The only person he spoke with was EJ.Its not likely EJ told the hitman that he and Sami wanted to hire him.EJ might not want Sami to know he hired a hitman.For all he knows he is giving Sami information she could use against EJ.I will wait until Monday to see how it plays out but after the idiocy displayed by Nicole,Sami,and EJ,I don't hold out much hope that the hit man will be intelligent.
It really is odd how Sami seemed to have to do some urgent business matter, that involved her calling EJ from the HTS and then calling a mystery client from the park. She couldn't call from home? Or have someone email out these urgent and elusive PDF files? And yeah, she had to go as soon as Lucas left, so why she didn't tell Lucas that she had to leave make these PRESSING phone calls about town, I don't know. But, you know, Sami makes those concerned faces and rubs her daughter's head, so that's all the mothering one needs. I swear, I am so thrilled AS is leaving if it means never (or not for awhile) having to see those "look at me I am so concerned for my children" faces (scrunched face, sad eyes, tight lips, pitiful expression). I am not sure about the hitman, the most scrupulous one this side of the Mighty Mississippi apparently. I am guessing he is getting pressured from someone else, Stefano maybe? LOL I am looking forward to seeing how that plot point tries to unfold itself. You made me totally LOL @ the bolded! That was really snarky. I love it!
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May 17 2014, 08:40 PM
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- May 17 2014, 12:11 PM
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- May 17 2014, 08:54 AM
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As a working mom, I can testify that I have had to leave my sick child home with either my husband or a relative to go to work countless times. You feel guilty about it and you check on them. But in the end, you do what you have to do knowing that your child is with trusted hands. Sami is not just a mom, but she is running a multimillion dollar corporation. She said she would only be gone for a very short time. Allie was with her loving step dad and her grandma. I don't see what the big deal is specially since she checked up on her and expressed genuine concern unlike Lucas who thinks that one visit to the doctor magically fixed Allie's trauma LOL.
Yea, NO. Her daughter saw her cousin shot and in the throws of dying, Ms. Multimillion dollar executive can take a day off.
It might've been something that was hard to re-schedule. A deal that she had to make with people who flew from Chicago to meet with her. And it's not like she left her daughter alone or with a sitter. She called her mother and left her in her care. Millions of working mothers make that hard choice everyday. I just think the show could've presented it better. Your post is a perfect example my point. The writers could have had Sami said,"Oh my God.Lucas left and I have just remembered I have a meeting scheduled in thirty minutes with Ms/Mr Blah Blah who flew in from Rome,Paris,etc for a meeting.Please call Lucas and stay with Allie until he or I can be with her.
The writers wrote:I have to go out for a work thing.
The could have written Sami telephone conversation as a call to the mansion to check on Allie and tell them she on her way back but instead we had the PDF nonsense.
It wouldn't take that much effort to write Sami as the good mother they have everyone saying she is.
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May 17 2014, 08:47 PM
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- Supergirlx2
- May 17 2014, 07:48 PM
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- May 17 2014, 05:28 PM
I have a question. Did Hope make a copy of Marlena's cell phone message from Nick? Because Marlena took her phone with her and I don't remember Hope making a copy. I would think the cops would have to confiscate the phone.
- shellyj
- May 17 2014, 06:12 PM
hope said she'd have one of the techs make a copy, but of course, we didn't see that happen
It's possible that Marlena gave her phone to one of the techs after she left Hope's office & they immediately made a copy. The message wasn't very long, so it wouldn't take that much time to make a copy. We don't actually know what happened between Marlena leaving Hope's office an being in the pub with Will. I'm not tech savvy.My knowledge of what's possible is based on television shows.Don't phones have a removeable chip/card/disc/drive that stores voicemail message? I would think the police would need to keep the phone,chip,disc,drive or card for use as evidence at a murder trial.
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May 18 2014, 03:13 PM
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- lysie
- May 17 2014, 01:46 PM
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Late to the party, but here nevertheless. :)Loved all things WilSon (of course) especially the couch scene and declarations of ultimate love! At first, I thought Sonny was reading as the only one guilty of the pair, but today, Will seemed it too. But as Honeybees already stated up thread each one thinks it is the other and that they are protecting each other therefore, neither one is the murderer. The suspect pool is growing smaller, so small that it can really only be Gabi or Lucas who did the killing. I'm betting it will be Gabi, in the park with the Kiriakis gun. Kate's gun is missing, and Lucas is really the only one who could have taken it, and I'm betting he did, but never got the chance to use it. Or maybe he did use it and Gabi never got a chance to use her weapon! Ahhhh....okay I admit it, I'm liking this mystery despite there only being two suspects left. Another great day for KA fans, she was really good today, most of her acting was subtle, you could see how much Abigail's statement affected her. I think Hope expected negative comments from everyone she has talked to so far due to the custody stuff. But to hear that Abigail was afraid of Nick...in that moment when they were arguing and to hear from Abigail about the custody and the lawyer, well I think it just hit home for Hope that she really didn't know her cousin as well as she thought she did, and it hurt. I also thought KM was exceptionally good in these scenes too, I am liking her character more and more and even though she didn't know Ben's last name, she knew that he worked for Sonny, and Abigail trusts Sonny, no way would he would hire a crazy psycho! ;) And for the record, I do not think Abigail was a whore (insert favourite slur here) for kissing Ben. There I said it, and I'm also going to say I like the idea of Ben and Abi....would that then be BAbi? How annoying it must be for that pesky Nick's murder to come up right in the middle of Dan's bullying and manhandling of Nicole and his forcing her to tell Eric the truth. /snark. Okay, I don't get this sl at all. Why is Dan in the middle of it? The writers should have left this sl with Dan recommending to Nicole that she tell Eric the truth so that her marriage starts off 'clean'. Then, we could have had some nice angsty scene's of Nicole soul searching followed up by her confession. It would have been good for Eric to have made the choice between Nicole and his priest's collar but no...instead we get St. Dan lording over Nicole like he's never done anything shady before. I literally hate the character of Dan why do the writers love him so much! It's frustrating and I'm a new viewer, I can't even imagine having to put up with this guy for the entire time he's been on. And I am sorry to say, but there is soooo going to be a quadrangle featuring Eric/Nicole/Jen/Dan .... which is just ewwwww imo. Interesting but unimportant: When I see KM I can totally buy that she is cousins to Nick/Will and Sonny. She has the same lips/mouth as Nick, Sonny's big dark eyes (yes I know that the relationship comes from Adrienne and Jack and not the greek side but still....) and the same slim stature and fair colouring of Will....just makes them as cousins more believable to me.
I really didn't like Hope. She came off so unprofessionally. She was very cold to Will, mildly cold to Sonny but gentler with him, cowed by EJ and Kate who were both very dismissive to her, and she treated Abigail with kid gloves. Not a shinning moment for Detective Hope Brady! She made a point of calling Will, William and yet she refers to Nick as her cousin. Only in Salem and Port Charles would this kind of thing be allowed. I agree with everything else you said. Although, it's still hard for me to believe that Gabi would shoot anyone in cold blood. Gabi is selfish and always acts in self-interest but she's not a coldblooded killer.
I hate the term "in cold blood" and in this case, I don't even think it applies. I know the show is using it, but if Gabi killed Nick, which I think she did, I don't think it was cold-blooded at all. And honestly, she's the only possible suspect who I think had a real motive for murder (I think the others had motives for other crimes, but murder is kind of a jump). Dude tried to rape her and has been slowly and methodically trying to distance her from her family and friends. Maybe I'm wrong about how CB will leave, but if she goes to prison for this, I'm beyond annoyed....and I don't even like Gabi. Why don't you want her to go to prison?
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