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Wednesday, May 21st Daily Discussion
Topic Started: May 20 2014, 11:58 PM (10,211 Views)
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marie1969
May 21 2014, 09:07 PM
Eric needs to STFU. He is such an idiot. I am going to laugh when he learns the truth so he can feel like a total fool. Eric is such first class hypocrite. Not too long ago, he was talking trash about Ej, meddling in Ejami's relationship and pressuring Sami to be with Rafe instead of Ej, yet now he gets pissed because Sami is doing the same thing. It seems to me that Eric can dish it out but he can't take.

Eric why the fuck would ej do anything to help you after the way you treated him? Ej does not owe you a damn thing. Stop whining like a bitch because Ej did not give you your life back. Ej was not put on this earth to solve your problem. Nicole your perfect fiancee could have given you your life back too, but she chose to stab you in the back you moron. Chew on that you moron.

Sami has every right to be upset about her twin marrying the woman who kidnapped her daughter. Ej is no saint, but he has not done anything to Eric. Nicole on the other hand has hurt multiple times. I realize that Sami has done things too, but she has not kidnapped Nicole's child. So there is no comparison here.

But it is OK because we all know that Sami is right about Nicole and Eric will end up with egg on his face. It could not happen to a more deserving guy. At the end of the day, I hope Sami finally realizes that Eric was not worth jeopardizing her relationship over because he does not give a damn about her and would never jeopardizing his relationship with Nicole out of loyalty for her. Sami kicked Ej out of her bed and put their relationship on hold for months for Eric, Sami needs to face the fact that Eric would never do anything like that for her.

I hate that hypocrite and I wish Sami would stop giving a damn about him because he does not deserve it.
Sami's a whiney self absorbed bitch who is just like Nicole. But its ok for Sami to be that way cause she's a brady and with Elvis gimme a fuckin break . I like Nicole though I guess it's cause Ari Z can actually act well unlike Ali Sweeney.
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May 21 2014, 11:30 PM
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May 21 2014, 11:27 PM
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May 21 2014, 11:03 PM
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May 21 2014, 10:14 PM

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Well,EJ stole her baby (Sydney) and made her think Sydney was dead and she forgave him.EJ also raped Sami,blackmailed Sami into giving up custody of her children, forced her to tell he son she did not love him,put her in danger by allowing a convicted felon murdered to live with her and have sex with her,and blackmailed her older son among other things and she was able to forgive him so I don't see why she can't tolerate her brother marrying Nicole.
Oh I know all about Ejami's history LOL. I don't want to get too much into this since it has been discussed to death already and we will never resolve it. but I will just say that Ej kidnapped Sydney because Sami tried to keep him from his own child and even gave her to Rafe (a complete stranger at the time) just because she was scorned about Ejole.

I don't condone what Ej did, but I understand it was in retaliation for what Sami did to him. I think taking Sydney was justifiable because that is exactly what Sami was going to do to him, but Ej took it way too far. In any case, they were both wrong and they worked through it.

Besides, a parent taking a child is different than a stranger or a deranged crazed woman kidnapped a child. Sami kidnapped Will once when they were disputing custody and Lucas tried to kidnap Will after he shot Franco. Parents kidnapping a child in soap is no big deal, just another soap staple. A random crazy woman kidnapping someone's child is a monster in my book.
Well she wasn't really random. She was the child's stepmother.
Yes, the first time she took the baby home to her father and the second time the baby probably felt closer to Nicole than anyone else in the world. And EJ went on to marry this crazy, deranged bitch after both of these kidnapping occured and trusted his children in her care. Sydney loves her Mommie Nicole.
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May 21 2014, 08:36 AM
Eugenia! This show really was OTT in the past but whatever they wrote then is STILL 100X more entertaining than anything they have tried to put out after. JER had his disappointing moments but at least he knew how to tell a story, there was a beginning a middle and an end....a build up to a reveal....I miss him so
JER was great with the pay-offs...even in his suckier s/l's...Especially compared to the zero payoff we get now.
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Oh I know all about Ejami's history LOL. I don't want to get too much into this since it has been discussed to death already and we will never resolve it. but I will just say that Ej kidnapped Sydney because Sami tried to keep him from his own child and even gave her to Rafe (a complete stranger at the time) just because she was scorned about Ejole.

I don't condone what Ej did, but I understand it was in retaliation for what Sami did to him. I think taking Sydney was justifiable because that is exactly what Sami was going to do to him, but Ej took it way too far. In any case, they were both wrong and they worked through it.

Besides, a parent taking a child is different than a stranger or a deranged crazed woman kidnapped a child. Sami kidnapped Will once when they were disputing custody and Lucas tried to kidnap Will after he shot Franco. Parents kidnapping a child in soap is no big deal, just another soap staple. A random crazy woman kidnapping someone's child is a monster in my book.
Well she wasn't really random. She was the child's stepmother.
Yes, the first time she took the baby home to her father and the second time the baby probably felt closer to Nicole than anyone else in the world. And EJ went on to marry this crazy, deranged bitch after both of these kidnapping occured and trusted his children in her care. Sydney loves her Mommie Nicole.
Why are most of Nicole's relationships forced and contrived. When Sami reclaimed her baby, Sidney was not even one year old. She cannot remember Nicole, especially since was not in the child's life after that. This whole mamma Nicole is just a joke.
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Well she wasn't really random. She was the child's stepmother.
Yes, the first time she took the baby home to her father and the second time the baby probably felt closer to Nicole than anyone else in the world. And EJ went on to marry this crazy, deranged bitch after both of these kidnapping occured and trusted his children in her care. Sydney loves her Mommie Nicole.
Why are most of Nicole's relationships forced and contrived. When Sami reclaimed her baby, Sidney was not even one year old. She cannot remember Nicole, especially since was not in the child's life after that. This whole mamma Nicole is just a joke.
She was in her life after that.

Remember when Elvis blackmailed Sami for full custody of the kids because she shot him.

Then they had shared custody after he worked out a plan to get rid of Rafe.

Before he realised what a sadistic bastard he was and that the kids were better off without him and gave full custody back to Sami.

I think it was about December 2010 through to July/August 2011.
Nicole was with her through most of that period, think she bailed in June.

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I was on another board and they got into a discussion about all the bad things Nicole had done and one poster mention that she had tried to murder Victor and someone else said that she tried to murder him only after he had raped her because he was jealous and mad about her affair with Colin Murphy. Did Victor rape Nicole?
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Well I don't like watching rape scenes, but the title of the video saids 'Victor rapes Nicole' so I guess he did. So why does a rapist get to constantly bad mouth his victim?
I had no idea about this.
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May 22 2014, 04:00 PM
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I was on another board and they got into a discussion about all the bad things Nicole had done and one poster mention that she had tried to murder Victor and someone else said that she tried to murder him only after he had raped her because he was jealous and mad about her affair with Colin Murphy. Did Victor rape Nicole?
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Well I don't like watching rape scenes, but the title of the video saids 'Victor rapes Nicole' so I guess he did. So why does a rapist get to constantly bad mouth his victim?
I had no idea about this.
Not only did he rape her, but he emotionally and mentally abused her. One time he imprisoned her in her room, and if I'm remembering correctly, Philip had to break her door down to free her.

She gets a pass from me on that one for trying to kill Victor.

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Well I don't like watching rape scenes, but the title of the video saids 'Victor rapes Nicole' so I guess he did. So why does a rapist get to constantly bad mouth his victim?
I had no idea about this.
Not only did he rape her, but he emotionally and mentally abused her. One time he imprisoned her in her room, and if I'm remembering correctly, Philip had to break her door down to free her.

She gets a pass from me on that one for trying to kill Victor.

In that case, she should've shot the twisted old man in the groin.
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Yes, the first time she took the baby home to her father and the second time the baby probably felt closer to Nicole than anyone else in the world. And EJ went on to marry this crazy, deranged bitch after both of these kidnapping occured and trusted his children in her care. Sydney loves her Mommie Nicole.
Why are most of Nicole's relationships forced and contrived. When Sami reclaimed her baby, Sidney was not even one year old. She cannot remember Nicole, especially since was not in the child's life after that. This whole mamma Nicole is just a joke.
She was in her life after that.

Remember when Elvis blackmailed Sami for full custody of the kids because she shot him.

Then they had shared custody after he worked out a plan to get rid of Rafe.

Before he realised what a sadistic bastard he was and that the kids were better off without him and gave full custody back to Sami.

I think it was about December 2010 through to July/August 2011.
Nicole was with her through most of that period, think she bailed in June.

I forgot about that. Still, Syndey had no contact with Nicole after June 2011 and Sami obviously will not remind her of Nicole so for Syd to still call Nicle "mamma Nicole," is just silly.
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Well,EJ stole her baby (Sydney) and made her think Sydney was dead and she forgave him.EJ also raped Sami,blackmailed Sami into giving up custody of her children, forced her to tell he son she did not love him,put her in danger by allowing a convicted felon murdered to live with her and have sex with her,and blackmailed her older son among other things and she was able to forgive him so I don't see why she can't tolerate her brother marrying Nicole.
Oh I know all about Ejami's history LOL. I don't want to get too much into this since it has been discussed to death already and we will never resolve it. but I will just say that Ej kidnapped Sydney because Sami tried to keep him from his own child and even gave her to Rafe (a complete stranger at the time) just because she was scorned about Ejole.

I don't condone what Ej did, but I understand it was in retaliation for what Sami did to him. I think taking Sydney was justifiable because that is exactly what Sami was going to do to him, but Ej took it way too far. In any case, they were both wrong and they worked through it.

Besides, a parent taking a child is different than a stranger or a deranged crazed woman kidnapped a child. Sami kidnapped Will once when they were disputing custody and Lucas tried to kidnap Will after he shot Franco. Parents kidnapping a child in soap is no big deal, just another soap staple. A random crazy woman kidnapping someone's child is a monster in my book.
Well she wasn't really random. She was the child's stepmother.


Ejole were not married when Nicole kidnapped Sami's baby girl. Even if she had been her stepmother, that does give her the right to steal another woman's child. Child kidnapping is still an heinous crime no matter how it is spinned.
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Why are most of Nicole's relationships forced and contrived. When Sami reclaimed her baby, Sidney was not even one year old. She cannot remember Nicole, especially since was not in the child's life after that. This whole mamma Nicole is just a joke.
She was in her life after that.

Remember when Elvis blackmailed Sami for full custody of the kids because she shot him.

Then they had shared custody after he worked out a plan to get rid of Rafe.

Before he realised what a sadistic bastard he was and that the kids were better off without him and gave full custody back to Sami.

I think it was about December 2010 through to July/August 2011.
Nicole was with her through most of that period, think she bailed in June.

I forgot about that. Still, Syndey had no contact with Nicole after June 2011 and Sami obviously will not remind her of Nicole so for Syd to still call Nicle "mamma Nicole," is just silly.
EJ allowed NIcole to give Sydney a Christmas gift I believe the year before last and helped her call Nicole to thank her for the gift. She knows who her Mommie Nicole is and loves her. And I think Sydney and Johnny had a scene with Nicole at the Brady Pub last Christmas with Johnny running to go grab her hand and to stop her from leaving with Sami snorting steam in the background. :D
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Why are most of Nicole's relationships forced and contrived. When Sami reclaimed her baby, Sidney was not even one year old. She cannot remember Nicole, especially since was not in the child's life after that. This whole mamma Nicole is just a joke.
She was in her life after that.

Remember when Elvis blackmailed Sami for full custody of the kids because she shot him.

Then they had shared custody after he worked out a plan to get rid of Rafe.

Before he realised what a sadistic bastard he was and that the kids were better off without him and gave full custody back to Sami.

I think it was about December 2010 through to July/August 2011.
Nicole was with her through most of that period, think she bailed in June.

I forgot about that. Still, Syndey had no contact with Nicole after June 2011 and Sami obviously will not remind her of Nicole so for Syd to still call Nicle "mamma Nicole," is just silly.
The whole thing between Nicole and sydney is not only contrived, it is utterly ridiculous. Sydney was a baby when Nicole got busted and returned to her real mom. There is no way she could possibly remember her as her mommy. When Ejole had that fake marriage, they only had Sydney for a short period of times before Sami got her back. By that time, Sami and Sydney had already bonded and she knew and loved sami as her real mom.

Case in point, Lexie raised Zack for a year I think, yet when he was returned to Hope, there was no contrived Lexie and Zack BS, Zack did not even remember that Lexie was once his mom. everybody moved on as they should. Truth be told, Lezack had a real bond and Lexie was a really good mom to Zack as opposed to Nicole who merely used Sydney as a pawn to trap Ej.

I get why they try to fabricate contrived relationships for Nicole in Salem. She is completely alone and has no real family connection with anyone in town. They should bring back her sister or her brother long term and develop the relationship. They should also give her a child, preferably a long lost teenager that she gave up for adoption during her porn years (just for the potential stories). Anything to give her a real connection with someone else instead of those contrived friendships. Sadly the writers are too lazy to do that. It is easier to throw 2 people with nothing in common but some messed up past and call it a day.
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She was in her life after that.

Remember when Elvis blackmailed Sami for full custody of the kids because she shot him.

Then they had shared custody after he worked out a plan to get rid of Rafe.

Before he realised what a sadistic bastard he was and that the kids were better off without him and gave full custody back to Sami.

I think it was about December 2010 through to July/August 2011.
Nicole was with her through most of that period, think she bailed in June.

I forgot about that. Still, Syndey had no contact with Nicole after June 2011 and Sami obviously will not remind her of Nicole so for Syd to still call Nicle "mamma Nicole," is just silly.
EJ allowed NIcole to give Sydney a Christmas gift I believe the year before last and helped her call Nicole to thank her for the gift. She knows who her Mommie Nicole is and loves her. And I think Sydney and Johnny had a scene with Nicole at the Brady Pub last Christmas with Johnny running to go grab her hand and to stop her from leaving with Sami snorting steam in the background. :D


I think Ej felt sorry for Nicole because she was all alone for Christmas which shows that Ej is not such a bad guy after all.

Nicole is not Sydney's mommy by any means. She never was. Kidnapping a child does not make you her mommy, it merely makes you her kidnapper. In any case, they don't share scenes together except once a year during the holidays as a way to throw a bone at Nicole. That is what makes the whole thing contrived.

It is time they give Nicole a life of her own instead of her trying to have Sami's life. She wanted Ej because he was Sami's. then she wanted Sami's daughter for herself. Not to mention she has slept with every male member of Sami's family including her father, stepbrother and her twin brother. Nicole is obsessed with Sami LOL.

I wish the writers would give her a life all of her own. After all these years, she has earned and deserves it.
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She was in her life after that.

Remember when Elvis blackmailed Sami for full custody of the kids because she shot him.

Then they had shared custody after he worked out a plan to get rid of Rafe.

Before he realised what a sadistic bastard he was and that the kids were better off without him and gave full custody back to Sami.

I think it was about December 2010 through to July/August 2011.
Nicole was with her through most of that period, think she bailed in June.

I forgot about that. Still, Syndey had no contact with Nicole after June 2011 and Sami obviously will not remind her of Nicole so for Syd to still call Nicle "mamma Nicole," is just silly.
EJ allowed NIcole to give Sydney a Christmas gift I believe the year before last and helped her call Nicole to thank her for the gift. She knows who her Mommie Nicole is and loves her. And I think Sydney and Johnny had a scene with Nicole at the Brady Pub last Christmas with Johnny running to go grab her hand and to stop her from leaving with Sami snorting steam in the background. :D
All that is immaterial. It's fake and contrived. They just want Nicole share of the Christmas festivities which she should share. But instead of creating a fake relationship with Sami and EJ's kids, they need to connect her with Abe and Theo. She has more of a natural familial connection with them.
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It wasn't a fake relationship though. Nicole was Johnny and Sydney's stepmother.
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I forgot about that. Still, Syndey had no contact with Nicole after June 2011 and Sami obviously will not remind her of Nicole so for Syd to still call Nicle "mamma Nicole," is just silly.
EJ allowed NIcole to give Sydney a Christmas gift I believe the year before last and helped her call Nicole to thank her for the gift. She knows who her Mommie Nicole is and loves her. And I think Sydney and Johnny had a scene with Nicole at the Brady Pub last Christmas with Johnny running to go grab her hand and to stop her from leaving with Sami snorting steam in the background. :D
All that is immaterial. It's fake and contrived. They just want Nicole share of the Christmas festivities which she should share. But instead of creating a fake relationship with Sami and EJ's kids, they need to connect her with Abe and Theo. She has more of a natural familial connection with them.
Is Rafe's connection to them fake and contrived?
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EJ allowed NIcole to give Sydney a Christmas gift I believe the year before last and helped her call Nicole to thank her for the gift. She knows who her Mommie Nicole is and loves her. And I think Sydney and Johnny had a scene with Nicole at the Brady Pub last Christmas with Johnny running to go grab her hand and to stop her from leaving with Sami snorting steam in the background. :D
All that is immaterial. It's fake and contrived. They just want Nicole share of the Christmas festivities which she should share. But instead of creating a fake relationship with Sami and EJ's kids, they need to connect her with Abe and Theo. She has more of a natural familial connection with them.
Is Rafe's connection to them fake and contrived?
Rafe spent longer time with the kids and they lived full-time with him and Sami. Part of the time they were with Nicole and EJ the children's lives were full of upheaval and unhappiness. And they don't call Rafe "Papa Rafe". If they did, then I would consider that contrived.
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All that is immaterial. It's fake and contrived. They just want Nicole share of the Christmas festivities which she should share. But instead of creating a fake relationship with Sami and EJ's kids, they need to connect her with Abe and Theo. She has more of a natural familial connection with them.
Is Rafe's connection to them fake and contrived?
Rafe spent longer time with the kids and they lived full-time with him and Sami. Part of the time they were with Nicole and EJ the children's lives were full of upheaval and unhappiness. And they don't call Rafe "Papa Rafe". If they did, then I would consider that contrived.
Are you sure?

Rafe would have spent the time between Sami shooting EJ and EJ getting full custody with the kids with them. (September to November 22) Hardly a time of peace and harmony.

And then EJ gave them back to them July 21st 2011 and Rafe moved out early 2012 during which time Rafe and Sami were bickering like wildcats and Johnny got kidnapped.

Plus a good period of the time with shared Custody it wasn't Rafe it was Arnold.

3 months plus 6 months = 9 months.

Nicole was there from October 2008 through to September 2009 Sami didn't come back from witness protection until February 25th 2009.
Then Nicole was living with them from November 25 2011 through to end of January when Sami agreed to shared custody by which time Rafe was Fafe.

9 months (sydney) (5 months Johnny) plus 2 months (November 25 2011 - January 2012)

But the mummy Nicole thing is contrived and I can't remember her ever being called that until Tomsell took over.
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