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Spoilers for the week of June 2nd; *updated 5/26*
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepcorrect
Like I said, E.J. instructed the cleaner not to tamper with the laptop, so there's nothing for any investigator -- decent or otherwise -- to determine there. Nick wasn't always as smart as he acted (and the writers tried to claim); he had a habit of getting too cocky and overplaying his hand. It's what got him killed in the first place. He was too confident that he had all of the power and that no one would ever be able to touch him. Gabi proved him wrong. And it doesn't matter how many copies of a particular piece of evidence he had if no one who matters is ever aware of their existence.
That is why cops investigate. If I we're Hope, I would launch a full on investigation of Nick's life and personal holdings. Not just rely on interrogating hostile witnesses who will never give her the whole truth.
She is investigating, though. The real murderer is about to confess, thus ending the investigation and closing the case. No one's going to agree to keep paying for her to investigate a case that has already been solved. And the police have presumably searched Nick's apartment -- they just (again, presumably) didn't find anything of interest. When E.J. talked to his cleaner, he specifically stated that the cleaner was "about fifteen minutes ahead of the police". So it seems like Hope hasn't neglected that part of the investigative process. We can go in circles for days like this. Yes, Hope did the natural first step of checking Nick's apartment. But, one would think, with a DiMera in the equation, she would delve a little deeper. By now they should automatically suspect the DiMera's could have sent in a cleaner.
In my opinion, I would look into more than just Nick's apartment and the belongings inside. I would check all of accounts, etc...
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May 26 2014, 10:01 AM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepcorrect motives in some cases, but the police don't know that. And either way, there's no guarantee that Nick had anything incriminating stored on his laptop. He was more of a flash drive guy, and the cleaner took those.
And Nick was probably counting on Percy to be his fail-safe -- the person who would leak all of the incriminating information in the event of Nick's death -- but E.J. took care of Percy, too, and there wasn't any time left between the time Nick found out about that and the time of the shooting for Nick to take out another insurance policy of sorts.
I don't buy that the police don't have reason to check Nick's lap top or check on his other holdings. Considering that they already know how many enemies that Nick had, that should be at the top of their list in building a case. The fact that the writers aren't doing that beat in the storyline is piss poor writing. I'm guessing they are skipping that step because doing so would logically expose Abigail and EJs secrets as well as Will, Sami, Kate and Sonny's misdeeds all at once. And they're only interested in throwing Gabi under the bus right now. ETA: When Will and the gang went through all that trouble to get his confession back from Nick, Nick quickly let them know that he had copies, and copies of those copies in other places. Considering Nick is this "genius," he would be the type to plan ahead for another attempt to steal his evidence. ETA2: also, any decent investigator would figure out that Nick's laptop was tampered with.
Like I said, E.J. instructed the cleaner not to tamper with the laptop, so there's nothing for any investigator -- decent or otherwise -- to determine there. Nick wasn't always as smart as he acted (and the writers tried to claim); he had a habit of getting too cocky and overplaying his hand. It's what got him killed in the first place. He was too confident that he had all of the power and that no one would ever be able to touch him. Gabi proved him wrong. And it doesn't matter how many copies of a particular piece of evidence he had if no one who matters is ever aware of their existence.
Nick NOT having back ups is inconsistent with his character. He's done it before. Also, this is a guy who planted a virus just to fuck with Kate when he planned on leaving Salem. I didn't say that he didn't have backups. I said that E.J. took them. He instructed the cleaner to search for flash drives and destroy them. If Nick had others hidden somewhere that E.J. wasn't aware of, like a safe deposit box in a bank that's under a fake name (any cleaner worth their salt would have checked Nick's real bank account, although I will note that we never heard anything on-screen about checking Nick's bank account -- from the police or from E.J.), it doesn't matter if the police have no way of ever knowing about that information.
If Nick had made a contingency plan -- like the stereotypical "give some evidence to a lawyer and instruct them to hand it over to the police in the event of death" sort of thing -- that would have been one thing, but it doesn't seem like he did anything like that. If anything, his contingency plan probably hinged on Percy's cooperation, and Percy has been taken out of the equation.
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May 26 2014, 10:01 AM
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Didn't they say the are bringing back that feisty DA again. Let's hope that she light a fire under the Salem PDs ass and prompts them to look deeper. I bet she's chomping at the bit to take down EJ and Sami.
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May 26 2014, 10:04 AM
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I wonder if this fight between John and Brady leaves him in the hosptial? For some reason I thought Theresa would the cause.
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May 26 2014, 10:21 AM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepcorrectnot to tamper with the laptop, so there's nothing for any investigator -- decent or otherwise -- to determine there.
Nick wasn't always as smart as he acted (and the writers tried to claim); he had a habit of getting too cocky and overplaying his hand. It's what got him killed in the first place. He was too confident that he had all of the power and that no one would ever be able to touch him. Gabi proved him wrong.
And it doesn't matter how many copies of a particular piece of evidence he had if no one who matters is ever aware of their existence.
That is why cops investigate. If I we're Hope, I would launch a full on investigation of Nick's life and personal holdings. Not just rely on interrogating hostile witnesses who will never give her the whole truth.
She is investigating, though. The real murderer is about to confess, thus ending the investigation and closing the case. No one's going to agree to keep paying for her to investigate a case that has already been solved. And the police have presumably searched Nick's apartment -- they just (again, presumably) didn't find anything of interest. When E.J. talked to his cleaner, he specifically stated that the cleaner was "about fifteen minutes ahead of the police". So it seems like Hope hasn't neglected that part of the investigative process.
We can go in circles for days like this. Yes, Hope did the natural first step of checking Nick's apartment. But, one would think, with a DiMera in the equation, she would delve a little deeper. By now they should automatically suspect the DiMera's could have sent in a cleaner. But Hope doesn't suspect that E.J. murdered Nick at this time. She suspects Lucas. Based on spoilers, she'll then suspect Will (or Sonny, or both -- it depends on when Will falsely confesses, I guess) before Gabi confesses. Since Hope only questioned E.J. and doesn't actually think that a DiMera is responsible for Nick's murder, there's no reason for her to treat the investigation like it's an investigation into a DiMera crime.
I'm really not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying that there are explanations for why the things you're mentioning haven't been done. Whether any individual believes that they're reasonable explanations is another matter entirely.
I haven't even mentioned the fact that Hope shouldn't even be handling this investigation in the first place, which is another plausible way to excuse away any mistakes she makes during the course of the investigation.
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May 26 2014, 10:29 AM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepcorrect motives in some cases, but the police don't know that. And either way, there's no guarantee that Nick had anything incriminating stored on his laptop. He was more of a flash drive guy, and the cleaner took those.
And Nick was probably counting on Percy to be his fail-safe -- the person who would leak all of the incriminating information in the event of Nick's death -- but E.J. took care of Percy, too, and there wasn't any time left between the time Nick found out about that and the time of the shooting for Nick to take out another insurance policy of sorts.
I don't buy that the police don't have reason to check Nick's lap top or check on his other holdings. Considering that they already know how many enemies that Nick had, that should be at the top of their list in building a case. The fact that the writers aren't doing that beat in the storyline is piss poor writing. I'm guessing they are skipping that step because doing so would logically expose Abigail and EJs secrets as well as Will, Sami, Kate and Sonny's misdeeds all at once. And they're only interested in throwing Gabi under the bus right now. ETA: When Will and the gang went through all that trouble to get his confession back from Nick, Nick quickly let them know that he had copies, and copies of those copies in other places. Considering Nick is this "genius," he would be the type to plan ahead for another attempt to steal his evidence. ETA2: also, any decent investigator would figure out that Nick's laptop was tampered with.
Like I said, E.J. instructed the cleaner not to tamper with the laptop, so there's nothing for any investigator -- decent or otherwise -- to determine there. Nick wasn't always as smart as he acted (and the writers tried to claim); he had a habit of getting too cocky and overplaying his hand. It's what got him killed in the first place. He was too confident that he had all of the power and that no one would ever be able to touch him. Gabi proved him wrong. And it doesn't matter how many copies of a particular piece of evidence he had if no one who matters is ever aware of their existence.
That is why cops investigate. If I we're Hope, I would launch a full on investigation of Nick's life and personal holdings. Not just rely on interrogating hostile witnesses who will never give her the whole truth. Nick NOT having back ups is inconsistent with his character. He's done it before. Also, this is a guy who planted a virus just to fuck with Kate when he planned on leaving Salem. The fact that Hope is zeroing on Lucas tells me she's off the mark. Her emotional involvement is clouding her judgment and is only leading her to focuse son on a Will and Nick's past clashes and the custody stuff. Once she eliminated Nick's past contacts from prison, looks like she put her focus on Lucas and Will. Out of all the people she interviewed she was hardest on them, which leads me to believe that her sole focus as a motive is the custody stuff. It's strange that she didn't interview Gabi as her first "suspect" or witness.
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May 26 2014, 10:30 AM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepcorrectnot
She is investigating, though. The real murderer is about to confess, thus ending the investigation and closing the case. No one's going to agree to keep paying for her to investigate a case that has already been solved. And the police have presumably searched Nick's apartment -- they just (again, presumably) didn't find anything of interest. When E.J. talked to his cleaner, he specifically stated that the cleaner was "about fifteen minutes ahead of the police". So it seems like Hope hasn't neglected that part of the investigative process.
We can go in circles for days like this. Yes, Hope did the natural first step of checking Nick's apartment. But, one would think, with a DiMera in the equation, she would delve a little deeper. By now they should automatically suspect the DiMera's could have sent in a cleaner.
But Hope doesn't suspect that E.J. murdered Nick at this time. She suspects Lucas. Based on spoilers, she'll then suspect Will (or Sonny, or both -- it depends on when Will falsely confesses, I guess) before Gabi confesses. Since Hope only questioned E.J. and doesn't actually think that a DiMera is responsible for Nick's murder, there's no reason for her to treat the investigation like it's an investigation into a DiMera crime. I'm really not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying that there are explanations for why the things you're mentioning haven't been done. Whether any individual believes that they're reasonable explanations is another matter entirely. I haven't even mentioned the fact that Hope shouldn't even be handling this investigation in the first place, which is another plausible way to excuse away any mistakes she makes during the course of the investigation. I'm still disappointed in the lazy writing. They could make this story far more compelling and it wouldn't even cost the production extra money to do so. I've been watching this Korean cop show called "You Are All Surrounded," and the level of detail they go into when investigating even small cases is impressive. And this is with 4 rookie detectives who are portrayed as bumbling fools. They put in 10 x more effort than I have EVER seen ANY member of the Salem PD do.
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Monday, June 2, 2014 Eric confronts Nicole over her deception! Jennifer ponders the fallout of her decision.
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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 Protective of Rafe, Sami rips into a stunned Jordan. Brady loses it when John tries to come between him and Theresa.
What does Sami know or think she knows that causes her to go after Jordan. John needs to let his ADULT son sink or swim on his own. Hmmm, if Brady puts John in the hospital, we can see a lot of Brady guilt--which he will no doubt "medicate" with booze, drugs, and sex.
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Wednesday, June 4, 2014 Nick’s murderer prepares for life in prison – but has one last confession to make. Ben is alarmed when Paige recognizes him.
Gabi confesses to save Will who confessed to save Sonny--so he thought. Gabi will probably also confess to her role in the Melanie fiasco--if TPTB have brains that is. I don't think she will revisit drowning Nick---That would take two important peeps away from Ari.
Enough of the Ben and Jordan mystery....it's been going on forever and EVERYONE is sick of it.
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May 26 2014, 10:34 AM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepcorrect
Like I said, E.J. instructed the cleaner not to tamper with the laptop, so there's nothing for any investigator -- decent or otherwise -- to determine there. Nick wasn't always as smart as he acted (and the writers tried to claim); he had a habit of getting too cocky and overplaying his hand. It's what got him killed in the first place. He was too confident that he had all of the power and that no one would ever be able to touch him. Gabi proved him wrong. And it doesn't matter how many copies of a particular piece of evidence he had if no one who matters is ever aware of their existence.
Nick NOT having back ups is inconsistent with his character. He's done it before. Also, this is a guy who planted a virus just to fuck with Kate when he planned on leaving Salem.
I didn't say that he didn't have backups. I said that E.J. took them. He instructed the cleaner to search for flash drives and destroy them. If Nick had others hidden somewhere that E.J. wasn't aware of, like a safe deposit box in a bank that's under a fake name (any cleaner worth their salt would have checked Nick's real bank account, although I will note that we never heard anything on-screen about checking Nick's bank account -- from the police or from E.J.), it doesn't matter if the police have no way of ever knowing about that information. If Nick had made a contingency plan -- like the stereotypical "give some evidence to a lawyer and instruct them to hand it over to the police in the event of death" sort of thing -- that would have been one thing, but it doesn't seem like he did anything like that. If anything, his contingency plan probably hinged on Percy's cooperation, and Percy has been taken out of the equation. I think Nick relied so much on Percy and he became too confident. Since EJ kept saying to the Coven that they should let Nick think he's completely in control, I guess he became too cocky. I guess, that strategy worked but time will tel.
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepcorrectnot to tamper with the laptop, so there's nothing for any investigator -- decent or otherwise -- to determine there.
Nick wasn't always as smart as he acted (and the writers tried to claim); he had a habit of getting too cocky and overplaying his hand. It's what got him killed in the first place. He was too confident that he had all of the power and that no one would ever be able to touch him. Gabi proved him wrong.
And it doesn't matter how many copies of a particular piece of evidence he had if no one who matters is ever aware of their existence.
Nick NOT having back ups is inconsistent with his character. He's done it before. Also, this is a guy who planted a virus just to fuck with Kate when he planned on leaving Salem.
I didn't say that he didn't have backups. I said that E.J. took them. He instructed the cleaner to search for flash drives and destroy them. If Nick had others hidden somewhere that E.J. wasn't aware of, like a safe deposit box in a bank that's under a fake name (any cleaner worth their salt would have checked Nick's real bank account, although I will note that we never heard anything on-screen about checking Nick's bank account -- from the police or from E.J.), it doesn't matter if the police have no way of ever knowing about that information. If Nick had made a contingency plan -- like the stereotypical "give some evidence to a lawyer and instruct them to hand it over to the police in the event of death" sort of thing -- that would have been one thing, but it doesn't seem like he did anything like that. If anything, his contingency plan probably hinged on Percy's cooperation, and Percy has been taken out of the equation.
I think Nick relied so much on Percy and he became too confident. Since EJ kept saying to the Coven that they should let Nick think he's completely in control, I guess he became too cocky. I guess, that strategy worked but time will tel. Even if that is true, the fact that Percy suddenly left town without a trace should raise some red flags. I think everyone knew that Percy was Nick's right hand man. Percy disappearing and Nick getting shot shortly after should prompt some questions.
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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 Protective of Rafe, Sami rips into a stunned Jordan. Brady loses it when John tries to come between him and Theresa.
What does Sami know or think she knows that causes her to go after Jordan. John needs to let his ADULT son sink or swim on his own. Hmmm, if Brady puts John in the hospital, we can see a lot of Brady guilt--which he will no doubt "medicate" with booze, drugs, and sex. - Quote:
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Wednesday, June 4, 2014 Nick’s murderer prepares for life in prison – but has one last confession to make. Ben is alarmed when Paige recognizes him.
Gabi confesses to save Will who confessed to save Sonny--so he thought. Gabi will probably also confess to her role in the Melanie fiasco--if TPTB have brains that is. I don't think she will revisit drowning Nick---That would take two important peeps away from Ari.
Enough of the Ben and Jordan mystery....it's been going on forever and EVERYONE is sick of it. Yep, I think Gabi will definitely confess once she finds out Will confessed. I wonder where Will and Sonny go from here though. Will there be any fallout between them because they each suspected the other?
Okay, time to get the Ben and Jordan sl moving, we've got a newBen so how about some actual story? I really don't like that Paige, a character I haven't like at all so far is heading their way, unless JJ goes too and we actually see 'something' for JJ to do other than support Dannifer's #blessed life.
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And, of course, there's still the matter of Gabi's role in Melanie's kidnapping to deal with before she exits the canvas. Yep.... and it *better* come out too..... that's the one thing Gabi really should pay, way more than about anything she ever did to Nick....
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepcorrectnotis investigating, though. The real murderer is about to confess, thus ending the investigation and closing the case. No one's going to agree to keep paying for her to investigate a case that has already been solved.
And the police have presumably searched Nick's apartment -- they just (again, presumably) didn't find anything of interest. When E.J. talked to his cleaner, he specifically stated that the cleaner was "about fifteen minutes ahead of the police". So it seems like Hope hasn't neglected that part of the investigative process.
We can go in circles for days like this. Yes, Hope did the natural first step of checking Nick's apartment. But, one would think, with a DiMera in the equation, she would delve a little deeper. By now they should automatically suspect the DiMera's could have sent in a cleaner.
But Hope doesn't suspect that E.J. murdered Nick at this time. She suspects Lucas. Based on spoilers, she'll then suspect Will (or Sonny, or both -- it depends on when Will falsely confesses, I guess) before Gabi confesses. Since Hope only questioned E.J. and doesn't actually think that a DiMera is responsible for Nick's murder, there's no reason for her to treat the investigation like it's an investigation into a DiMera crime. I'm really not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying that there are explanations for why the things you're mentioning haven't been done. Whether any individual believes that they're reasonable explanations is another matter entirely. I haven't even mentioned the fact that Hope shouldn't even be handling this investigation in the first place, which is another plausible way to excuse away any mistakes she makes during the course of the investigation.
I'm still disappointed in the lazy writing. They could make this story far more compelling and it wouldn't even cost the production extra money to do so. I've been watching this Korean cop show called "You Are All Surrounded," and the level of detail they go into when investigating even small cases is impressive. And this is with 4 rookie detectives who are portrayed as bumbling fools. They put in 10 x more effort than I have EVER seen ANY member of the Salem PD do. Really, it all just boils down to the fact that the writers simply weren't ready for those particular secrets to be revealed at the time that they were writing this story. As I've complained about many times in the past, Nick never should have been able to blackmail anyone in the first place -- either time -- because other characters had perfectly good, perfectly legitimate ways of neutralizing his attempts to do so, but those characters weren't allowed to do anything about Nick's blackmail because that wouldn't have fit into the agenda the writers were pursuing at those times. This is no different. Yes, they could have written it so that the secrets were revealed during this storyline. They had no interest in doing so. They want to save those secrets for a later point, if they're ever revealed at all. Revealing one secret during this story (Gabi's role in Melanie's kidnapping -- if that is indeed what is revealed right before she exits the canvas, as some of us suspect) and another at the same time in a separate story (Nicole's decision to shred the evidence that could have cleared Eric's name) is apparently enough for them at this time.
From what I can tell, it looks like You're All Surrounded is a twenty-episode show with self-contained stories in each episode. That's a far cry from a soap opera, so the pacing is going to be understandably different. Long-kept secrets are a soap opera staple. It can be frustrating at times, especially when you really want a certain secret to be revealed, but that's one of the ways that they are able to fill out hundreds more episodes per year than dramas like You're All Surrounded ever have to worry about.
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I didn't say that he didn't have backups. I said that E.J. took them. He instructed the cleaner to search for flash drives and destroy them. If Nick had others hidden somewhere that E.J. wasn't aware of, like a safe deposit box in a bank that's under a fake name (any cleaner worth their salt would have checked Nick's real bank account, although I will note that we never heard anything on-screen about checking Nick's bank account -- from the police or from E.J.), it doesn't matter if the police have no way of ever knowing about that information. If Nick had made a contingency plan -- like the stereotypical "give some evidence to a lawyer and instruct them to hand it over to the police in the event of death" sort of thing -- that would have been one thing, but it doesn't seem like he did anything like that. If anything, his contingency plan probably hinged on Percy's cooperation, and Percy has been taken out of the equation.
I think Nick relied so much on Percy and he became too confident. Since EJ kept saying to the Coven that they should let Nick think he's completely in control, I guess he became too cocky. I guess, that strategy worked but time will tel.
Even if that is true, the fact that Percy suddenly left town without a trace should raise some red flags. I think everyone knew that Percy was Nick's right hand man. Percy disappearing and Nick getting shot shortly after should prompt some questions. I don't think anyone outside of the group that Nick was threatening knew about or ever even saw Percy.
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May 26 2014, 11:11 AM
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- May 26 2014, 02:18 AM
Monday, June 2, 2014 Eric confronts Nicole over her deception! Jennifer ponders the fallout of her decision. Tuesday, June 3, 2014 Protective of Rafe, Sami rips into a stunned Jordan. Brady loses it when John tries to come between him and Theresa. Wednesday, June 4, 2014 Nick’s murderer prepares for life in prison – but has one last confession to make. Ben is alarmed when Paige recognizes him. Haaa - so that is the "thing" Jennifer does - she blabs everything to Eric without SuperDan's consent :lol: Bwaaah, and of course that will lead into the latest obstacle for life in Danniferland lol. And of course soon enough Dan and Nic will be hitting the sheets again (yuck :blulaugh: lol )
Sami :blulaugh: Bwaaaah, get a grip girl, why the hell is she up in Rafe's business again anyway :blulaugh:
Ben and Paige? LMAO. Talk about two of the most boring characters *ever*. Unless they're ALL related and are ALL the children Eve there nothing worth of interest here - lol.
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May 26 2014, 11:17 AM
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- May 26 2014, 07:29 AM
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- May 26 2014, 06:43 AM
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- May 26 2014, 06:32 AM
Sounds like Gabi is the killer. So predictable. I do think it's time for her to admit what happened with Melanie
This has been the lamest whodunit story ever. :toetap:
Eh. I'd be interested in knowing how it is playing out to people who are genuinely spoiler-free and have no idea that Camila Banus is set to exit the canvas in two weeks. I don't think that it's been bad, per se. It was just obvious from the start to anyone who knew that Camila was leaving (and was willing to accept that Gabi was the murderer without trying to look for another explanation simply for the sake of being surprised -- which is circular because they might have been surprised if they hadn't known that Camila was leaving) that Gabi would end up being the murderer. At least this murder actually happened, unlike the last "whodunit?" with Stefano. I think this murder story has been great. It wasn't really even a whodunit since the killer was clear as day from the beginning, but it's still been good. And personally I think it went on just approriately, considering how many other storylines there have been that have been dragged out for six months with still no resolve.
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May 26 2014, 11:17 AM
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Paige is the most boring character since Mia. So yea lets bring back Melanie. Melanie and Paige....I could sleep well on a bed made of live cockroaches and have the best night sleep ever. Blah.
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May 26 2014, 11:19 AM
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- May 26 2014, 11:17 AM
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- May 26 2014, 06:32 AM
Sounds like Gabi is the killer. So predictable. I do think it's time for her to admit what happened with Melanie
This has been the lamest whodunit story ever. :toetap:
Eh. I'd be interested in knowing how it is playing out to people who are genuinely spoiler-free and have no idea that Camila Banus is set to exit the canvas in two weeks. I don't think that it's been bad, per se. It was just obvious from the start to anyone who knew that Camila was leaving (and was willing to accept that Gabi was the murderer without trying to look for another explanation simply for the sake of being surprised -- which is circular because they might have been surprised if they hadn't known that Camila was leaving) that Gabi would end up being the murderer. At least this murder actually happened, unlike the last "whodunit?" with Stefano.
I think this murder story has been great. It wasn't really even a whodunit since the killer was clear as day from the beginning, but it's still been good. And personally I think it went on just approriately, considering how many other storylines there have been that have been dragged out for six months with still no resolve. Agreed!!! I've enjoyed it and there are folks out there who don't do what we do daily and watch the show with zero spoilers, etc. I think the correct person killed Nick and it's a bittersweet story Days style. I've been diggin it.
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May 26 2014, 11:20 AM
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I really have no desire to see any fist fight between Brady and John again, that's just insulting.
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May 26 2014, 11:26 AM
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- May 26 2014, 11:04 AM
- Pookie
- May 26 2014, 10:30 AM
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- May 26 2014, 10:21 AM
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- May 26 2014, 09:57 AM
Quoting limited to 4 levels deepcorrectnotis investigating, though. The real murderer is about to confess, thus ending the investigation and closing the case. No one's going to agree to keep paying for her to investigate a case that has already been solved.
And the police have
But Hope doesn't suspect that E.J. murdered Nick at this time. She suspects Lucas. Based on spoilers, she'll then suspect Will (or Sonny, or both -- it depends on when Will falsely confesses, I guess) before Gabi confesses. Since Hope only questioned E.J. and doesn't actually think that a DiMera is responsible for Nick's murder, there's no reason for her to treat the investigation like it's an investigation into a DiMera crime. I'm really not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying that there are explanations for why the things you're mentioning haven't been done. Whether any individual believes that they're reasonable explanations is another matter entirely. I haven't even mentioned the fact that Hope shouldn't even be handling this investigation in the first place, which is another plausible way to excuse away any mistakes she makes during the course of the investigation.
I'm still disappointed in the lazy writing. They could make this story far more compelling and it wouldn't even cost the production extra money to do so. I've been watching this Korean cop show called "You Are All Surrounded," and the level of detail they go into when investigating even small cases is impressive. And this is with 4 rookie detectives who are portrayed as bumbling fools. They put in 10 x more effort than I have EVER seen ANY member of the Salem PD do.
Really, it all just boils down to the fact that the writers simply weren't ready for those particular secrets to be revealed at the time that they were writing this story. As I've complained about many times in the past, Nick never should have been able to blackmail anyone in the first place -- either time -- because other characters had perfectly good, perfectly legitimate ways of neutralizing his attempts to do so, but those characters weren't allowed to do anything about Nick's blackmail because that wouldn't have fit into the agenda the writers were pursuing at those times. This is no different. Yes, they could have written it so that the secrets were revealed during this storyline. They had no interest in doing so. They want to save those secrets for a later point, if they're ever revealed at all. Revealing one secret during this story (Gabi's role in Melanie's kidnapping -- if that is indeed what is revealed right before she exits the canvas, as some of us suspect) and another at the same time in a separate story (Nicole's decision to shred the evidence that could have cleared Eric's name) is apparently enough for them at this time. From what I can tell, it looks like You're All Surrounded is a twenty-episode show with self-contained stories in each episode. That's a far cry from a soap opera, so the pacing is going to be understandably different. Long-kept secrets are a soap opera staple. It can be frustrating at times, especially when you really want a certain secret to be revealed, but that's one of the ways that they are able to fill out hundreds more episodes per year than dramas like You're All Surrounded ever have to worry about. I agree they are doing this to hold back some secrets for later. I already said as much a few posts back. I still say, if they were better writers they could do both. Hold onto a secret AND let the Salem PD be competent. I could accept a criminal being a few steps ahead of the police, but to not show the police demonstrating basic investigative techniques and ignoring the obvious is unacceptable to me. And making characters who are normally sharp and on top of things, suddenly become ignorant for plotting sake also is shit writing.
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