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Topic Started: May 21 2014, 12:36 PM (39,013 Views)
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May 28 2014, 11:05 AM
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May 28 2014, 10:31 AM

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I think Gabi knew exactly what she was doing. She intended to hire a pretend stalker, Andrew and she went out of her way to try and get Chad to break up with Melanie which didn't work.
Yes. Gabi hired Andrew to stalk Melanie. She didn't hire him to kidnap her. Andrew went psycho. That's what I mean. You can't really compare Gabi hiring Andrew to Nick's multiple blackmails. And you can't blame Gabi completely for Andrew's actions. Yes, she's the one that introduced him into people's lives, but she never intended for what ultimately happened to happen.
Actually didn't Gabi hire Andrew to stalk HER (Gabi)?
sure. lol. why not.
if Gabi hired Andrew to stalk herself, then whatever he did to Melanie was even less her fault. (i'm not sure that's grammatically phrased properly, but i don't really care. lol.)
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May 28 2014, 10:31 AM
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May 28 2014, 10:06 AM
I get a thumbs down just because I wrote I don't like Gabi. I think a lot of people are in agreement with me, jeeze. She was horrible to Melanie. You don't do that to your friend.



I wouldn't take people's thumbs up/thumbs down so seriously. If I had to take a guess, I'd say that people probably hit the thumbs down because you compared what Gabi did to Melanie (which, as I remember, was actually simply a situation that got out of control & was never what Gabi had intended) to what Nick did to Will/Sonny/Kate/Sami/EJ/Abby.
And Melanie was a scheming bitch when she first arrived in town. She went after Phillip over and over again when he was with Stefanie and she got involved with Chad when he was still with Abby, her best friend at the time. She was every bit conniving as Gabi.
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May 28 2014, 10:50 AM
Gabi is responsible for everything that happened with the Andrew story line. As I have said before..if you hire a person to rob a house and someone is killed in that house then YOU are also held as an accessory. Simple and legal fact. So she IS responsible for the deaths that followed the explosions in the tunnels. If she had not hired Andrew then he would never have taken Melanie hostage and went in the tunnels and I do remember when she found out that he took Melanie she said Melanie can never be let loose or something to that effect.
Exactly. It doesn't matter one iota what Gabi intended or did not intend to do, the simple fact is that she hired someone who was clearly a loose cannon to set up a sham, and a person has to know that whoever could be hired to do such a thing might not have any qualms about taking their own show on the road. Also, not only that, but she *knew* all the time what was happening when Melanie was kidnapped, and there was no reason why she couldn't have come clean about everything, yet she didn't. And them being in the tunnels caused the explosion and at least it could have happened another time without them there. And to this day she has been lying about everything still. The fact is, if there is anything Gabi should pay for, it's that, much much more than for anything she ever did to Nick.
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May 28 2014, 12:47 PM
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May 28 2014, 10:50 AM
Gabi is responsible for everything that happened with the Andrew story line. As I have said before..if you hire a person to rob a house and someone is killed in that house then YOU are also held as an accessory. Simple and legal fact. So she IS responsible for the deaths that followed the explosions in the tunnels. If she had not hired Andrew then he would never have taken Melanie hostage and went in the tunnels and I do remember when she found out that he took Melanie she said Melanie can never be let loose or something to that effect.
Exactly. It doesn't matter one iota what Gabi intended or did not intend to do, the simple fact is that she hired someone who was clearly a loose cannon to set up a sham, and a person has to know that whoever could be hired to do such a thing might not have any qualms about taking their own show on the road. Also, not only that, but she *knew* all the time what was happening when Melanie was kidnapped, and there was no reason why she couldn't have come clean about everything, yet she didn't. And them being in the tunnels caused the explosion and at least it could have happened another time without them there. And to this day she has been lying about everything still. The fact is, if there is anything Gabi should pay for, it's that, much much more than for anything she ever did to Nick.
Stefano brought Kristin to Salem.Is he responsible for Eric's rape.Should he pay?Stefano and EJ paid for Arnold,a convicted felon,to have plastic surgery so he looked like Rafe then kidnapped Rafe so that Arnold could replace him.Are EJ and Stefano responsible for Sami's rape and the murder of Fay Walker? Should EJ and Stefano pay or should they have a HEA with Sami and Kate?
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May 28 2014, 02:20 PM
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May 28 2014, 12:47 PM
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May 28 2014, 10:50 AM
Gabi is responsible for everything that happened with the Andrew story line. As I have said before..if you hire a person to rob a house and someone is killed in that house then YOU are also held as an accessory. Simple and legal fact. So she IS responsible for the deaths that followed the explosions in the tunnels. If she had not hired Andrew then he would never have taken Melanie hostage and went in the tunnels and I do remember when she found out that he took Melanie she said Melanie can never be let loose or something to that effect.
Exactly. It doesn't matter one iota what Gabi intended or did not intend to do, the simple fact is that she hired someone who was clearly a loose cannon to set up a sham, and a person has to know that whoever could be hired to do such a thing might not have any qualms about taking their own show on the road. Also, not only that, but she *knew* all the time what was happening when Melanie was kidnapped, and there was no reason why she couldn't have come clean about everything, yet she didn't. And them being in the tunnels caused the explosion and at least it could have happened another time without them there. And to this day she has been lying about everything still. The fact is, if there is anything Gabi should pay for, it's that, much much more than for anything she ever did to Nick.
Stefano brought Kristin to Salem.Is he responsible for Eric's rape.Should he pay?Stefano and EJ paid for Arnold,a convicted felon,to have plastic surgery so he looked like Rafe then kidnapped Rafe so that Arnold could replace him.Are EJ and Stefano responsible for Sami's rape and the murder of Fay Walker? Should EJ and Stefano pay or should they have a HEA with Sami and Kate?
The Kristen & Eric thing is too indirect for Stefano to have to pay. He didn't hire Kristen to go after anyone. Stefano hiring Arnold & what Arnold did is definitely directly related. EJ didn't officially hire Arnold, Stefano did so that might be a little muddier as far as it being legal responsibility. EJ definitely has a moral responsibility for Arnold's crimes.

But both of those crimes have been made public even though the inept SPD never made any charges stick. Gabi's crime was never revealed publicly. For me it's not jail time for Gabi as much as it is the court of public opinion. People need to know what she is capable of doing.
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May 28 2014, 02:20 PM
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May 28 2014, 12:47 PM
KweenBoda
May 28 2014, 10:50 AM
Gabi is responsible for everything that happened with the Andrew story line. As I have said before..if you hire a person to rob a house and someone is killed in that house then YOU are also held as an accessory. Simple and legal fact. So she IS responsible for the deaths that followed the explosions in the tunnels. If she had not hired Andrew then he would never have taken Melanie hostage and went in the tunnels and I do remember when she found out that he took Melanie she said Melanie can never be let loose or something to that effect.
Exactly. It doesn't matter one iota what Gabi intended or did not intend to do, the simple fact is that she hired someone who was clearly a loose cannon to set up a sham, and a person has to know that whoever could be hired to do such a thing might not have any qualms about taking their own show on the road. Also, not only that, but she *knew* all the time what was happening when Melanie was kidnapped, and there was no reason why she couldn't have come clean about everything, yet she didn't. And them being in the tunnels caused the explosion and at least it could have happened another time without them there. And to this day she has been lying about everything still. The fact is, if there is anything Gabi should pay for, it's that, much much more than for anything she ever did to Nick.
Stefano brought Kristin to Salem.Is he responsible for Eric's rape.Should he pay?Stefano and EJ paid for Arnold,a convicted felon,to have plastic surgery so he looked like Rafe then kidnapped Rafe so that Arnold could replace him.Are EJ and Stefano responsible for Sami's rape and the murder of Fay Walker? Should EJ and Stefano pay or should they have a HEA with Sami and Kate?
Even the show blamed EJ and Stefano for the crimes Rafe 2 committed.
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May 28 2014, 02:36 PM
BeeBee
May 28 2014, 02:20 PM
Yoryla
May 28 2014, 12:47 PM
KweenBoda
May 28 2014, 10:50 AM
Gabi is responsible for everything that happened with the Andrew story line. As I have said before..if you hire a person to rob a house and someone is killed in that house then YOU are also held as an accessory. Simple and legal fact. So she IS responsible for the deaths that followed the explosions in the tunnels. If she had not hired Andrew then he would never have taken Melanie hostage and went in the tunnels and I do remember when she found out that he took Melanie she said Melanie can never be let loose or something to that effect.
Exactly. It doesn't matter one iota what Gabi intended or did not intend to do, the simple fact is that she hired someone who was clearly a loose cannon to set up a sham, and a person has to know that whoever could be hired to do such a thing might not have any qualms about taking their own show on the road. Also, not only that, but she *knew* all the time what was happening when Melanie was kidnapped, and there was no reason why she couldn't have come clean about everything, yet she didn't. And them being in the tunnels caused the explosion and at least it could have happened another time without them there. And to this day she has been lying about everything still. The fact is, if there is anything Gabi should pay for, it's that, much much more than for anything she ever did to Nick.
Stefano brought Kristin to Salem.Is he responsible for Eric's rape.Should he pay?Stefano and EJ paid for Arnold,a convicted felon,to have plastic surgery so he looked like Rafe then kidnapped Rafe so that Arnold could replace him.Are EJ and Stefano responsible for Sami's rape and the murder of Fay Walker? Should EJ and Stefano pay or should they have a HEA with Sami and Kate?
The Kristen & Eric thing is too indirect for Stefano to have to pay. He didn't hire Kristen to go after anyone. Stefano hiring Arnold & what Arnold did is definitely directly related. EJ didn't officially hire Arnold, Stefano did so that might be a little muddier as far as it being legal responsibility. EJ definitely has a moral responsibility for Arnold's crimes.

But both of those crimes have been made public even though the inept SPD never made any charges stick. Gabi's crime was never revealed publicly. For me it's not jail time for Gabi as much as it is the court of public opinion. People need to know what she is capable of doing.
Exactly.

And yes, the Fake Rafe thing is *totally* and utterly on Stefano and EJ. The guy of course has responsibility for his own actions, but Stefano and EJ very clearly hired the guy to play Rafe, with everything that entailed, thus also meaning rape.
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And yes, in many times, the court of the public opinion is the biggest penalty. Even if Gabi couldn't ever be prosecuted for that crime, everyone should at the very least know about it instead of treating Gabi like a delicate flower.
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

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May 28 2014, 11:35 AM
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May 28 2014, 10:38 AM

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Yes. Gabi hired Andrew to stalk Melanie. She didn't hire him to kidnap her. Andrew went psycho. That's what I mean. You can't really compare Gabi hiring Andrew to Nick's multiple blackmails. And you can't blame Gabi completely for Andrew's actions. Yes, she's the one that introduced him into people's lives, but she never intended for what ultimately happened to happen.
Actually didn't Gabi hire Andrew to stalk HER (Gabi)?
sure. lol. why not.
if Gabi hired Andrew to stalk herself, then whatever he did to Melanie was even less her fault. (i'm not sure that's grammatically phrased properly, but i don't really care. lol.)
Yeah, I'm not saying Gabi is totally blameless but she never intended anyone to get hurt. Her idea was to have someone pretend to stalk her so that Chad would come to her rescue and fall in love with her and leave Melanie...now she didn't actually realize that Andrew was a bit coo coo for cocoa puffs and didn't really follow her direction and he ended up going off the deep end, stalking and kidnapping Mel instead and all that ended up with the gas explosions, etc.
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May 28 2014, 02:44 PM
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May 28 2014, 02:20 PM
Yoryla
May 28 2014, 12:47 PM
KweenBoda
May 28 2014, 10:50 AM
Gabi is responsible for everything that happened with the Andrew story line. As I have said before..if you hire a person to rob a house and someone is killed in that house then YOU are also held as an accessory. Simple and legal fact. So she IS responsible for the deaths that followed the explosions in the tunnels. If she had not hired Andrew then he would never have taken Melanie hostage and went in the tunnels and I do remember when she found out that he took Melanie she said Melanie can never be let loose or something to that effect.
Exactly. It doesn't matter one iota what Gabi intended or did not intend to do, the simple fact is that she hired someone who was clearly a loose cannon to set up a sham, and a person has to know that whoever could be hired to do such a thing might not have any qualms about taking their own show on the road. Also, not only that, but she *knew* all the time what was happening when Melanie was kidnapped, and there was no reason why she couldn't have come clean about everything, yet she didn't. And them being in the tunnels caused the explosion and at least it could have happened another time without them there. And to this day she has been lying about everything still. The fact is, if there is anything Gabi should pay for, it's that, much much more than for anything she ever did to Nick.
Stefano brought Kristin to Salem.Is he responsible for Eric's rape.Should he pay?Stefano and EJ paid for Arnold,a convicted felon,to have plastic surgery so he looked like Rafe then kidnapped Rafe so that Arnold could replace him.Are EJ and Stefano responsible for Sami's rape and the murder of Fay Walker? Should EJ and Stefano pay or should they have a HEA with Sami and Kate?
Even the show blamed EJ and Stefano for the crimes Rafe 2 committed.
I think it because they knew fake rafe is dangerous
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May 28 2014, 11:05 AM
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May 28 2014, 10:42 AM
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May 28 2014, 10:38 AM
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May 28 2014, 10:31 AM

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I think Gabi knew exactly what she was doing. She intended to hire a pretend stalker, Andrew and she went out of her way to try and get Chad to break up with Melanie which didn't work.
Yes. Gabi hired Andrew to stalk Melanie. She didn't hire him to kidnap her. Andrew went psycho. That's what I mean. You can't really compare Gabi hiring Andrew to Nick's multiple blackmails. And you can't blame Gabi completely for Andrew's actions. Yes, she's the one that introduced him into people's lives, but she never intended for what ultimately happened to happen.
Actually didn't Gabi hire Andrew to stalk HER (Gabi)?
Aaah I'm missing the dead rat.
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May 28 2014, 03:15 PM
six
May 28 2014, 02:44 PM
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May 28 2014, 02:20 PM
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May 28 2014, 12:47 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep
Stefano brought Kristin to Salem.Is he responsible for Eric's rape.Should he pay?Stefano and EJ paid for Arnold,a convicted felon,to have plastic surgery so he looked like Rafe then kidnapped Rafe so that Arnold could replace him.Are EJ and Stefano responsible for Sami's rape and the murder of Fay Walker? Should EJ and Stefano pay or should they have a HEA with Sami and Kate?
Even the show blamed EJ and Stefano for the crimes Rafe 2 committed.
I think it because they knew fake rafe is dangerous
I think they would have blamed them, no matter what, just like Chad blamed Gabi.
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May 28 2014, 10:50 AM
Gabi is responsible for everything that happened with the Andrew story line. As I have said before..if you hire a person to rob a house and someone is killed in that house then YOU are also held as an accessory. Simple and legal fact. So she IS responsible for the deaths that followed the explosions in the tunnels. If she had not hired Andrew then he would never have taken Melanie hostage and went in the tunnels and I do remember when she found out that he took Melanie she said Melanie can never be let loose or something to that effect.
Being an accessory and being responsible are two completely different things. She shares some fault but she's not responsible. Going by what you said, Sami would be just as responsible because she hired Gabi to model and Gabi decided to hire herself a stalker.
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Sami never told Gabi to hire a stalker. Gabi did tell Andrew to continue to hold Melanie captive.
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six
May 28 2014, 04:40 PM
Sami never told Gabi to hire a stalker. Gabi did tell Andrew to continue to hold Melanie captive.
That doesn't change the fact that being an accessory isn't the same as being responsible. Technically Andrew isn't even really responsible for the explosions, and the people he was responsible for all survived. Gabi isn't blameless by any means, but her guilt is for something different.
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six
May 28 2014, 04:40 PM
Sami never told Gabi to hire a stalker. Gabi did tell Andrew to continue to hold Melanie captive.
She sure did want him to keep Melanie captive and that does make her jointly responsible for what happened in the tunnels.
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six
May 28 2014, 04:40 PM
Gabi did tell Andrew to continue to hold Melanie captive.

This.

It was Andrew's idea for Andrew to hold Melanie captive long past the original ruse that Gabi had devised.

But ... Gabi endorsed Andrew doing *more* continuing to hold Melanie captive -- because Gabi was too "embarrassed" to have anyone find out she'd hired Andrew to "fake-stalk" Gabi.

Gabi was more concerned with how Gabi would look to others,
than how Melanie was being treated.
And so Gabi decided to go along with Andrew instead of reporting to the police how her plan went awry.

And then everything else that happened was the fallout from that decision.
Edited by nananana7, May 28 2014, 04:52 PM.
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lysie
May 28 2014, 04:49 PM
six
May 28 2014, 04:40 PM
Sami never told Gabi to hire a stalker. Gabi did tell Andrew to continue to hold Melanie captive.
That doesn't change the fact that being an accessory isn't the same as being responsible. Technically Andrew isn't even really responsible for the explosions, and the people he was responsible for all survived. Gabi isn't blameless by any means, but her guilt is for something different.
I have no idea but it doesn't sound like Gabby was just an accessory more like kidnap for hire or something like that.
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May 28 2014, 05:00 PM
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May 28 2014, 04:49 PM
six
May 28 2014, 04:40 PM
Sami never told Gabi to hire a stalker. Gabi did tell Andrew to continue to hold Melanie captive.
That doesn't change the fact that being an accessory isn't the same as being responsible. Technically Andrew isn't even really responsible for the explosions, and the people he was responsible for all survived. Gabi isn't blameless by any means, but her guilt is for something different.
I have no idea but it doesn't sound like Gabby was just an accessory more like kidnap for hire or something like that.
I think she just has a different crime. Honestly, I think Andrew does too. The tunnel explosion was Stefano's stupid, contrived fault.
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lysie
May 28 2014, 04:49 PM
six
May 28 2014, 04:40 PM
Sami never told Gabi to hire a stalker. Gabi did tell Andrew to continue to hold Melanie captive.
That doesn't change the fact that being an accessory isn't the same as being responsible. Technically Andrew isn't even really responsible for the explosions, and the people he was responsible for all survived. Gabi isn't blameless by any means, but her guilt is for something different.
But she is an accessory to the kidnapping, and holding her responsible for the explosions (which I agree is different than her being an accessory) is nothing like blaming Sami for hiring Gabi.
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