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Topic Started: May 23 2014, 01:28 AM (15,223 Views)
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May 24 2014, 12:28 AM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepthat -- not that I ever had any doubt that it would be Gabi.
Frankly, I'm more interested in the Will and Sonny preview than any of the previews that were actually posted, but that should come as no surprise to anyone.
Yes it Gabi and that actually is a good way for Will & Sonny to be effected by the out come with out one of them being the actual killers. I agree that does settle it saying the murder exits canvas puts that task squarely in the lap of Gabi.
It could be T. Has anyone seen T lately? He hated Nick, maybe he killed him. :whistle:
I've wondered about T as well, but I'm still holding out that one of the shots (I think there were two shooters) is Caroline and she doesn't remember or know she did it. That would be thousand times more interesting than Gabi shooting Nick. Anyone but Gabi would be interesting.
I want Gabi to go to Argentina to pursue her dreams. I don't want her to go to jail when Kate, Victor and Stefano are around unscathed.
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May 24 2014, 12:29 AM
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If Sami forgives Ej for the affair then she really has no self respect left. :facepalm:
LOL that would put Sami in good company along with Shawn D, Shawn D Sr., John, Bo, Hope, Rafe, last but not least Abe Carver because all those beloved characters have been cheated on they forgave their SO. Double standard much.
I don't think any of those listed characters had pulled even 1/2 the excessive, obsessive, violent, ongoing, criminal crap on each other that Ejami has. Except for NightTime Hope throwing gasoline on Bo, have ANY of those characters tried to kill the one they cheated on or the one they cheated with? If they have, I need reminding. And is Shawn D - Sr. Grandpa Shawn Brady? Now there's characters that Sami WOULD have a lot in common with: Nicole, Kristen, Stefano, Peter, Tony, Andre, Victor, Kate .. . and heck, have a seance' and talk to Nick. Shawn D Sr is no one, lol.
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May 24 2014, 12:45 AM
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If Sami forgives Ej for the affair then she really has no self respect left. :facepalm:
LOL that would put Sami in good company along with Shawn D, Shawn D Sr., John, Bo, Hope, Rafe, last but not least Abe Carver because all those beloved characters have been cheated on they forgave their SO. Double standard much.
I don't think any of those listed characters had pulled even 1/2 the excessive, obsessive, violent, ongoing, criminal crap on each other that Ejami has. Except for NightTime Hope throwing gasoline on Bo, have ANY of those characters tried to kill the one they cheated on or the one they cheated with? If they have, I need reminding. I can't think of anyone trying to kill their cheating spouse. And even with NT Hope, she's not really the same person as Hope (since Hope didn't know she existed until Bo saw the video, and she couldn't believe that it was her physical body that had tried to kill Bo), so NT Hope/DT Hope isn't a fair comparison to Sami.
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May 24 2014, 12:48 AM
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If Sami forgives Ej for the affair then she really has no self respect left. :facepalm:
LOL that would put Sami in good company along with Shawn D, Shawn D Sr., John, Bo, Hope, Rafe, last but not least Abe Carver because all those beloved characters have been cheated on they forgave their SO. Double standard much.
I don't think any of those listed characters had pulled even 1/2 the excessive, obsessive, violent, ongoing, criminal crap on each other that Ejami has. Except for NightTime Hope throwing gasoline on Bo, have ANY of those characters tried to kill the one they cheated on or the one they cheated with? If they have, I need reminding.
I can't think of anyone trying to kill their cheating spouse. And even with NT Hope, she's not really the same person as Hope (since Hope didn't know she existed until Bo saw the video, and she couldn't believe that it was her physical body that had tried to kill Bo), so NT Hope/DT Hope isn't a fair comparison to Sami. Besides. A double standard is different from just having different standards. Some things are ingrained in certain characters but not in others. They shouldn't all behave identically in all (or any) situations.
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May 24 2014, 12:59 AM
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And I have a feeling that, given the choice, people would chose to watch Hope & Aiden planning the gala over the repetitive nonsense that is Dan/Nicole/Eric. I'd listen to Hope and Aiden talk about that damn party for the next two years if it meant Daniel would back the HELL up from Eric/Nicole. He just does NOT belong!
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May 24 2014, 02:45 AM
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If Sami forgives Ej for the affair then she really has no self respect left. :facepalm:
I think if someone should forgive cheating or not depends on the following; 1 Was it a short or long affair - Ejabby was a short one 2 Are there any circumstances that can explain why the affair happened - Ejami was at a bad place and wasnīt sleeping together. 3 Are there reasons to believe it wonīt happen again - EJ hasnīt seemed interested in Abby since he and Sami started sharing a bed again itīs Sami he wants. Plus if Sami doesnīt have self respect neither did Nicole when she took him back after he slept with Taylor and told her she would sell herself to the highest bidder. Anyway I think the writers might give JS a HEA for Ejami to make him more willing to come back.
So an affair is ok if...one of the partners made the other need to fuck someone else, and it was over quick, and there not doing it anymore... umm...what? Maybe in Soap opera land, sorry maybe in Ejami land...yeah.. Her forgiving him just right off or in a few months, is pathetic and stupid.. and it would be with any couple on any show. What I would like to see is her and Kate finding out and her and Kate screwing the DiMera men over, leaving oinking from the bonking, squealing from the feeling. Like two freight trains, mowing them down. Something was going on between Sami & Kate today, and the way she spoke to Abby was odd.
I didnīt say cheating was okey but I can understand if someone forgives cheating if the above requirements are met. Some people in real life get past cheating some donīt but itīs up to the person involved to decide if he/she can forgive cheating or not. I donīt know if I would forgive cheating but I canīt judge if someone else does since itīs their decision. I do think you right that Sami and Kate will screw the Dimeras over, but that Sami will forgive EJ after that which will make it even more understandable why she forgives him since she gotten revenge and they then would be even.
I realize Ejami has done other terrible things to one an other but since they already forgiven each other for that Iīm not sure if I think that should have a weight in whether or not Sami forgives EJ for the cheating.
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If Sami forgives Ej for the affair then she really has no self respect left. :facepalm:
I think if someone should forgive cheating or not depends on the following; 1 Was it a short or long affair - Ejabby was a short one 2 Are there any circumstances that can explain why the affair happened - Ejami was at a bad place and wasnīt sleeping together. 3 Are there reasons to believe it wonīt happen again - EJ hasnīt seemed interested in Abby since he and Sami started sharing a bed again itīs Sami he wants. Plus if Sami doesnīt have self respect neither did Nicole when she took him back after he slept with Taylor and told her she would sell herself to the highest bidder. Anyway I think the writers might give JS a HEA for Ejami to make him more willing to come back.
EJ had the "arrangement" clause get out with Taylor. That the relationship was supposed to be a mutually satisfying arrangement where he got "symmetry" plus a couple of other side benefits and she got access to his children.
I agree Iīm not sure if I consider EJ sleeping with Taylor or Sami during griefsex as cheating but people has different opinions about it and more importantly Nicole considered it cheating and was acting hurt and angry about in one minute and the next she forgave him without the writing explaining why. I remember thinking it was strange how Nicole said he slept with her sister and how distgusting that was when they were at a restaurant and then she seemed to forget all about it.
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May 24 2014, 03:19 AM
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The focus should be on fixing the mess that the writers created when they decided to ruin the characters of John and Marlena and completely destroy the best love story in soap history just so Brady and Kristen could be thrown together.
Could someone explain me what the decision to "destroy" John/Marlena has to do with Brady/Kristen? I can't understand this.
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May 24 2014, 05:59 AM
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If Sami forgives Ej for the affair then she really has no self respect left. :facepalm:
LOL that would put Sami in good company along with Shawn D, Shawn D Sr., John, Bo, Hope, Rafe, last but not least Abe Carver because all those beloved characters have been cheated on they forgave their SO. Double standard much.
I don't think any of those listed characters had pulled even 1/2 the excessive, obsessive, violent, ongoing, criminal crap on each other that Ejami has. Except for NightTime Hope throwing gasoline on Bo, have ANY of those characters tried to kill the one they cheated on or the one they cheated with? If they have, I need reminding. And is Shawn D Sr. Grandpa Shawn Brady? Now there's characters that Sami WOULD have a little in common with: Nicole, Kristen, Stefano, Peter, Tony, Andre, Victor, Kate, Vivian .. . and heck, have a seance' and talk to Nick. But of these names, I'm thinking maybe only Victor has actually tried to kill someone he was once in love with - Carly? And maybe Vivian back in the day? :shrug: What does my post have to do with that? If I am not mistaken, the post I was replying to was about Sami having no self-respect if she forgives Ej. My post has nothing to do with Ejami's history. I was pointing out the double standard because there is a long list of characters who have been cheated on and managed to forgive their SO without their self-esteem ever being questioned. Now if you want to talk about what Ejami did to each other over the years, that is another issue all together.
PS: I meant Shawn Brady who forgave Caroline for cheating on him with Victor. LOL, he may have set an important precedent in the whole forgiving your cheating spouse thing.
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May 24 2014, 06:47 AM
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I don't think any of those listed characters had pulled even 1/2 the excessive, obsessive, violent, ongoing, criminal crap on each other that Ejami has. Except for NightTime Hope throwing gasoline on Bo, have ANY of those characters tried to kill the one they cheated on or the one they cheated with? If they have, I need reminding.
I can't think of anyone trying to kill their cheating spouse. And even with NT Hope, she's not really the same person as Hope (since Hope didn't know she existed until Bo saw the video, and she couldn't believe that it was her physical body that had tried to kill Bo), so NT Hope/DT Hope isn't a fair comparison to Sami.
Besides. A double standard is different from just having different standards. Some things are ingrained in certain characters but not in others. They shouldn't all behave identically in all (or any) situations. I am not sure what you mean by that. but to me, double standard is a situation in which two people are treated or judged very differently from each other in a way that is unfair to one of them. In other words, accepting that John forgave Marlena for cheating on him with Roman or Bo forgiving Hope for hooking up with Patrick while bashing Sami for doing the same thing is hypocritical IMO. That was my point.
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May 24 2014, 07:08 AM
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If Sami forgives Ej for the affair then she really has no self respect left. :facepalm:
I think if someone should forgive cheating or not depends on the following; 1 Was it a short or long affair - Ejabby was a short one 2 Are there any circumstances that can explain why the affair happened - Ejami was at a bad place and wasnīt sleeping together. 3 Are there reasons to believe it wonīt happen again - EJ hasnīt seemed interested in Abby since he and Sami started sharing a bed again itīs Sami he wants. Plus if Sami doesnīt have self respect neither did Nicole when she took him back after he slept with Taylor and told her she would sell herself to the highest bidder. Anyway I think the writers might give JS a HEA for Ejami to make him more willing to come back.
So an affair is ok if...one of the partners made the other need to fuck someone else, and it was over quick, and there not doing it anymore... umm...what? Maybe in Soap opera land, sorry maybe in Ejami land...yeah.. Her forgiving him just right off or in a few months, is pathetic and stupid.. and it would be with any couple on any show. What I would like to see is her and Kate finding out and her and Kate screwing the DiMera men over, leaving oinking from the bonking, squealing from the feeling. Like two freight trains, mowing them down. Something was going on between Sami & Kate today, and the way she spoke to Abby was odd.
I didnīt say cheating was okey but I can understand if someone forgives cheating if the above requirements are met. Some people in real life get past cheating some donīt but itīs up to the person involved to decide if he/she can forgive cheating or not. I donīt know if I would forgive cheating but I canīt judge if someone else does since itīs their decision. I do think you right that Sami and Kate will screw the Dimeras over, but that Sami will forgive EJ after that which will make it even more understandable why she forgives him since she gotten revenge and they then would be even. I realize Ejami has done other terrible things to one an other but since they already forgiven each other for that Iīm not sure if I think that should have a weight in whether or not Sami forgives EJ for the cheating. - concerned
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If Sami forgives Ej for the affair then she really has no self respect left. :facepalm:
I think if someone should forgive cheating or not depends on the following; 1 Was it a short or long affair - Ejabby was a short one 2 Are there any circumstances that can explain why the affair happened - Ejami was at a bad place and wasnīt sleeping together. 3 Are there reasons to believe it wonīt happen again - EJ hasnīt seemed interested in Abby since he and Sami started sharing a bed again itīs Sami he wants. Plus if Sami doesnīt have self respect neither did Nicole when she took him back after he slept with Taylor and told her she would sell herself to the highest bidder. Anyway I think the writers might give JS a HEA for Ejami to make him more willing to come back.
EJ had the "arrangement" clause get out with Taylor. That the relationship was supposed to be a mutually satisfying arrangement where he got "symmetry" plus a couple of other side benefits and she got access to his children.
I agree Iīm not sure if I consider EJ sleeping with Taylor or Sami during griefsex as cheating but people has different opinions about it and more importantly Nicole considered it cheating and was acting hurt and angry about in one minute and the next she forgave him without the writing explaining why. I remember thinking it was strange how Nicole said he slept with her sister and how distgusting that was when they were at a restaurant and then she seemed to forget all about it. The whole thing about sleeping with each other's sibling has always been yucky for me. I honestly do not think I could take my BF/husband back if he ever slept with my sister regardless if we were together or not at the time. This remind me of when Rachel's sister went after Ross while they were broken up on Friends. Ross chose not to sleep with her because he knew sleeping with Rachel's sister would kill any chance of them ever being together again. That sums up perfectly how I feel about the subject. Certain lines should not be crossed IMO.
As to whether Ej cheated on Nicole, I personally never felt Ej cheated because it was a real marriage. it was a marriage of convenience. I realize that the relationship ha changed by the time griefsex happened. but as I recall, Ej wanted Nicole back, but she did not want to go back to him at the time. She even had him sign the divorce papers. As far as Ej was concerned, they were done even though he wanted her back. So to me they were not in a relationship. therefore technically there was no cheating.
I just find it interesting that same people who accuse ej of cheating when it supports their argument turn around and admit it was not cheating when it suits them. I realize we all have different opinions, but it is either cheating or it is not.
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May 24 2014, 07:16 AM
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I am going to be slammed for this but Marlena and Roman make a lot of sense. They were married, they have a lot to bind them and they're both unattached. Why not?
It's not like Marlena doesn't have a legitimate reason to be mad at John. He treated her like crap, then hightailed to Europe. Didn't contact her and even acknowledge her existence. Then came back to Salem without letting her know. She had to find out the Salem way, running into him. Why should she give him the time of the day?
I think Roman and Marlena would make sense as a couple, on paper. The spoiler about her sudden jealousy doesn't make sense, and they wouldn't make sense on screen though, because Roman doesn't click with the rest of the show. I think Roman and Marlena could be interesting if written well. I have never seen them really together and in love unless you count their brief reunion when the real Roman came back to Salem. I just feel that Jarlena is stale and has run its course. It would be refreshing to see Marlena and Roman getting closer. Maybe Kristen and John can hook up. That would shake things up a bit instead of the same old tired couple we had to watch for decades.
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May 24 2014, 07:25 AM
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I can't think of anyone trying to kill their cheating spouse. And even with NT Hope, she's not really the same person as Hope (since Hope didn't know she existed until Bo saw the video, and she couldn't believe that it was her physical body that had tried to kill Bo), so NT Hope/DT Hope isn't a fair comparison to Sami.
Besides. A double standard is different from just having different standards. Some things are ingrained in certain characters but not in others. They shouldn't all behave identically in all (or any) situations.
I am not sure what you mean by that. but to me, double standard is a situation in which two people are treated or judged very differently from each other in a way that is unfair to one of them. In other words, accepting that John forgave Marlena for cheating on him with Roman or Bo forgiving Hope for hooking up with Patrick while bashing Sami for doing the same thing is hypocritical IMO. That was my point. In order for it to be a double standard, you would have to know that the person you were responding to (Not Amused) held those other characters you mentioned to a different set of standards than they held Sami to -- in other words, that they believed that Sami wouldn't have any self-respect if she forgave E.J. for cheating on her, but didn't believe the same thing about other characters who have forgiven significant others for cheating. You don't have any evidence of that based on the one line of text that the person you were responding to posted, so you can't really call it a double standard.
As lysie pointed out, Sami doesn't have to forgive E.J. for cheating on her just because other characters have forgiven their own significant others for doing the same thing. And even if she did forgive him, I still think it would be fair for some viewers to be more disappointed about that, given the entirety of E.J. and Sami's relationship, than they were when other characters forgave infidelity. The phrase "the straw that broke the camel's back" springs to mind. Where cheating was one offense in an otherwise practically offense-free and loving relationship for the other couples you mentioned, it is the latest offense in a long history of offenses in Sami and E.J.'s relationship, and that is a valid point, IMO.
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May 24 2014, 07:37 AM
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If Sami forgives Ej for the affair then she really has no self respect left. :facepalm:
I think if someone should forgive cheating or not depends on the following; 1 Was it a short or long affair - Ejabby was a short one 2 Are there any circumstances that can explain why the affair happened - Ejami was at a bad place and wasnīt sleeping together. 3 Are there reasons to believe it wonīt happen again - EJ hasnīt seemed interested in Abby since he and Sami started sharing a bed again itīs Sami he wants. Plus if Sami doesnīt have self respect neither did Nicole when she took him back after he slept with Taylor and told her she would sell herself to the highest bidder. Anyway I think the writers might give JS a HEA for Ejami to make him more willing to come back.
EJ had the "arrangement" clause get out with Taylor. That the relationship was supposed to be a mutually satisfying arrangement where he got "symmetry" plus a couple of other side benefits and she got access to his children.
I really hated Nicole and EJ's relationship at that time. EJ was a deranged asshole and Nicole was his little lackey. The relationship was just icky and abusive. I didn't get Nicole's motivation taking the kids from their mother and traumatizing them. I got EJ's motivations. He's a screwed up man who lashes out whenever something doesn't go his way. Besides, he was angry about Sami shooting him and then running off to marry Rafe. But Nicole's motivation was kinda weird to me. It was surprising that Kate was the sane person with common sense advise in that whole affair.
It was not weird to me LOL. Nicole has always been about herself. She does not care about anybody else IMO. She was obsessed with Sydney and wanted an instant family (Sami's family because Sami is her true obsession) and she did not care about the casualties. I am fine with Nicole being that way because it is in character. I have a love/hate relationship with her , but at least I find her interesting compared to most characters on the show.
That is why I find it odd that people are upset by what she is doing now. It is in character and it is what I expect from her. I am not the least surprised that she would stab Eric in the back so she can have what she wants. She has done it in every relationship she has been including when she was with Ej. I was more annoyed with her when she was pretending to be morally superior toward Kristen and crucifying her when they are quite similar in a lot of ways. She came off as a big hypocrite specially in light of what she is doing now.
I like Ericole initially mainly because I like the idea of Nicole finding unconditional love, but I have come to realize that Ericole is not a good match. Dicole could work better because Daniel seems to know Nicole better. He knows what she is capable of and he still cares about her. I also do think they have a spark unlike Ericole.
My favorite version of Nicole is the fun carefree snarky troublemaker with a martini in her hand and not giving a damn about anybody.
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Besides. A double standard is different from just having different standards. Some things are ingrained in certain characters but not in others. They shouldn't all behave identically in all (or any) situations.
I am not sure what you mean by that. but to me, double standard is a situation in which two people are treated or judged very differently from each other in a way that is unfair to one of them. In other words, accepting that John forgave Marlena for cheating on him with Roman or Bo forgiving Hope for hooking up with Patrick while bashing Sami for doing the same thing is hypocritical IMO. That was my point.
In order for it to be a double standard, you would have to know that the person you were responding to ( Not Amused) held those other characters you mentioned to a different set of standards than they held Sami to -- in other words, that they believed that Sami wouldn't have any self-respect if she forgave E.J. for cheating on her, but didn't believe the same thing about other characters who have forgiven significant others for cheating. You don't have any evidence of that based on the one line of text that the person you were responding to posted, so you can't really call it a double standard. As lysie pointed out, Sami doesn't have to forgive E.J. for cheating on her just because other characters have forgiven their own significant others for doing the same thing. And even if she did forgive him, I still think it would be fair for some viewers to be more disappointed about that, given the entirety of E.J. and Sami's relationship, than they were when other characters forgave infidelity. The phrase "the straw that broke the camel's back" springs to mind. Where cheating was one offense in an otherwise practically offense-free and loving relationship for the other couples you mentioned, it is the latest offense in a long history of offenses in Sami and E.J.'s relationship, and that is a valid point, IMO. OK I called it double standard (and I stand by what I said) because the same people judging sami for potentially forgiving Ej were perfectly fine with the others forgiving their SO in the same situation. If I am wrong about the poster I quoted, she can refute that and I will gladly stand corrected. But I am pretty confident she does not think Hope, Bo, John or Shawn Brady have no self-esteem unless she clearly states otherwise.
Going back to your other point, not sure where all the confusion is coming from, but I never said that Sami HAD to forgive Ej. I said that she should not be judged or labeled as having no self esteem when other characters have set precedence by doing the same thing without being judged or bashed. It is a pretty clear and dry statement. One can agree or disagree.
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I don't think any of those listed characters had pulled even 1/2 the excessive, obsessive, violent, ongoing, criminal crap on each other that Ejami has. Except for NightTime Hope throwing gasoline on Bo, have ANY of those characters tried to kill the one they cheated on or the one they cheated with? If they have, I need reminding.
I can't think of anyone trying to kill their cheating spouse. And even with NT Hope, she's not really the same person as Hope (since Hope didn't know she existed until Bo saw the video, and she couldn't believe that it was her physical body that had tried to kill Bo), so NT Hope/DT Hope isn't a fair comparison to Sami.
Besides. A double standard is different from just having different standards. Some things are ingrained in certain characters but not in others. They shouldn't all behave identically in all (or any) situations. After re-reading your post, I think I get what you meant now. you are saying that even though others have forgiven cheating in the past, Sami should not because of her experience with Jarlena. I don't agree, but I get it.
But my point is not whether of not she should because forgiveness to me is a personal choice. But rather is it fair for her to be judged for doing the same thing others have done in the past with great support from the audience?
I guess it comes down to personal preference. If we love the couple, we want them to forgive each other even after cheating. If we detest the couple, we want them to do the opposite.
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I donīt see how Sami could loose anymore self respect for those who doesnīt like the pairing if she forgives EJ for the least bad thing he has done after forgiving him for a lot worse.
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May 24 2014, 08:20 AM
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I am not sure what you mean by that. but to me, double standard is a situation in which two people are treated or judged very differently from each other in a way that is unfair to one of them. In other words, accepting that John forgave Marlena for cheating on him with Roman or Bo forgiving Hope for hooking up with Patrick while bashing Sami for doing the same thing is hypocritical IMO. That was my point.
In order for it to be a double standard, you would have to know that the person you were responding to ( Not Amused) held those other characters you mentioned to a different set of standards than they held Sami to -- in other words, that they believed that Sami wouldn't have any self-respect if she forgave E.J. for cheating on her, but didn't believe the same thing about other characters who have forgiven significant others for cheating. You don't have any evidence of that based on the one line of text that the person you were responding to posted, so you can't really call it a double standard. As lysie pointed out, Sami doesn't have to forgive E.J. for cheating on her just because other characters have forgiven their own significant others for doing the same thing. And even if she did forgive him, I still think it would be fair for some viewers to be more disappointed about that, given the entirety of E.J. and Sami's relationship, than they were when other characters forgave infidelity. The phrase "the straw that broke the camel's back" springs to mind. Where cheating was one offense in an otherwise practically offense-free and loving relationship for the other couples you mentioned, it is the latest offense in a long history of offenses in Sami and E.J.'s relationship, and that is a valid point, IMO.
[N]ot sure where all the confusion is coming from, but I never said that Sami HAD to forgive Ej. No one has said that you did. However, as lysie pointed out and I expanded on, what you called a double standard isn't really an example of a double standard. If it is anything, it is an example of one character having a different set of standards than another character, not an example of one person holding one character to a different set of standards than another character. And I was again expanding on lysie's point when I agreed that Sami doesn't have to forgive E.J. for cheating on her just because other characters have forgiven their own significant others for doing the same thing, since she is her own person and should have her own set of standards that she believes in. The link to your post is not that you claimed otherwise but that you called that a double standard when it would actually just be an example of one character having a different set of standards than another character.
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May 24 2014, 09:26 AM
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In order for it to be a double standard, you would have to know that the person you were responding to ( Not Amused) held those other characters you mentioned to a different set of standards than they held Sami to -- in other words, that they believed that Sami wouldn't have any self-respect if she forgave E.J. for cheating on her, but didn't believe the same thing about other characters who have forgiven significant others for cheating. You don't have any evidence of that based on the one line of text that the person you were responding to posted, so you can't really call it a double standard. As lysie pointed out, Sami doesn't have to forgive E.J. for cheating on her just because other characters have forgiven their own significant others for doing the same thing. And even if she did forgive him, I still think it would be fair for some viewers to be more disappointed about that, given the entirety of E.J. and Sami's relationship, than they were when other characters forgave infidelity. The phrase "the straw that broke the camel's back" springs to mind. Where cheating was one offense in an otherwise practically offense-free and loving relationship for the other couples you mentioned, it is the latest offense in a long history of offenses in Sami and E.J.'s relationship, and that is a valid point, IMO.
[N]ot sure where all the confusion is coming from, but I never said that Sami HAD to forgive Ej.
No one has said that you did. However, as lysie pointed out and I expanded on, what you called a double standard isn't really an example of a double standard. If it is anything, it is an example of one character having a different set of standards than another character, not an example of one person holding one character to a different set of standards than another character. And I was again expanding on lysie's point when I agreed that Sami doesn't have to forgive E.J. for cheating on her just because other characters have forgiven their own significant others for doing the same thing, since she is her own person and should have her own set of standards that she believes in. The link to your post is not that you claimed otherwise but that you called that a double standard when it would actually just be an example of one character having a different set of standards than another character. I feel like we are going in circles and we are arguing semantics to distract from my original point. I can not speak for what Lysie meant, she is entitled to her opinion just like you are. but I was responding to a poster who said that sami had no self respect if she forgave Ej. Neither of us was questioning Sami's standard which was not in question. It is about her opinion on the character. She did not say that Sami should not forgive Ej because she has different standards when it comes to cheating. Instead she said that forgiving someone who cheats on you means you have no self-esteem referring to Sami. It is not the same thing at all.
Had she said that, I could have seen her point. Although I would see disagree considering that Sami cheated herself. That whole argument went out of the window once she forgave Jarlena and became a cheater herself. I do feel however you are focusing on Lysie's point more than the original post I was replying to.
I want to make it clear once again that I don't think Sami should forgive Ej because others have done so in the past. I feel sami should do whatever her heart desires because it is entirely up to her.
We will just agree to disagree because it feels like the whole point of this exchange has been shoved aside in order to win the argument.
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If Sami forgives Ej for the affair then she really has no self respect left. :facepalm:
LOL that would put Sami in good company along with Shawn D, Shawn D Sr., John, Bo, Hope, Rafe, last but not least Abe Carver because all those beloved characters have been cheated on they forgave their SO. Double standard much.
I don't think any of those listed characters had pulled even 1/2 the excessive, obsessive, violent, ongoing, criminal crap on each other that Ejami has. Except for NightTime Hope throwing gasoline on Bo, have ANY of those characters tried to kill the one they cheated on or the one they cheated with? If they have, I need reminding. And is Shawn D Sr. Grandpa Shawn Brady? Now there's characters that Sami WOULD have a little in common with: Nicole, Kristen, Stefano, Peter, Tony, Andre, Victor, Kate, Vivian .. . and heck, have a seance' and talk to Nick. But of these names, I'm thinking maybe only Victor has actually tried to kill someone he was once in love with - Carly? And maybe Vivian back in the day? :shrug: Kate and Peter both did. Caroline contemplated it. I think it's interesting that after all the things Ejami have gotten over, the affair is supposed to be the deal breaker that ends things once and for all.
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May 24 2014, 10:26 AM
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Can Kristen kidnap Ciara? It would be like summer camp for future hell raisers.
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