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Monday, June 2nd Daily Discussion
Topic Started: May 31 2014, 02:33 AM (38,163 Views)
Serenity 808


Never thought I'd say this, but CB was the stand-out of the episode. She had me teary-eyed, and I can't say that for most of the younger actresses that have been on the show over the past five years or so. I'd love if she came back because if today is any indication, she has the makings of a very fine actress.
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wow, did Hope tell Gabi she deserves to die? Or did she say "He didn't deserve to die"? I rewound twice and still wasn't sure.
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concerned
Jun 2 2014, 07:00 PM
six
Jun 2 2014, 06:45 PM
concerned
Jun 2 2014, 03:13 PM
Yoryla
Jun 2 2014, 03:04 PM

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She really should stop choosing to have miscarriages and stillbirths and get cheated on and have dead girlfriends come back to life.

She doesn't handle these thing well (she handles them atrociously) but she generally doesn't start the ball rolling.
All villains lash out for a reason. Almost all of Nicole's misfortunes can be traced back to something stupid and/or illegal that she did.

But Nicole generally doesn't do it because she is "lashing out".

Her crimes usually are to do with either "holding on to something she loves" or breaking free from a situation she has found herself trapped in.

I'm trying to think of a crime she has done which was pure revenge a la Stefano / Kristen / Kate / Vivian.

I think most of her crimes don't trace back to something stupid or illegal that she did but they generally trace back to something that has happened outside of her control that she has reacted to/ responded to badly.

Jen to me wasn't about revenge it was about holding onto Daniel because she had already lost so much she couldn't lose him too.

Kidnapping Sydney wasn't about revenge it was about holding onto EJ because she had already lost so much she couldn't lose him too.

I think you're making things too black and white. She most definitely took Sydney partially because she was angry that Sami had EJ's baby and she didn't. She even thought about killing Sami when she found out that Sami was pregnant. She didn't have to bring Sami into it at all. She could have kept Grace. That's lashing out, imo. Same with Jennifer and killing Victor (although that one was also about money). Not to mention the purely innocent people she tried to kill, just to stay out of jail.

The only things that were actually outside her control are the failed pregnancies. She chose to attach herself to Victor for the money, and everything that happened after that can be traced back to that choice.
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trojangal
Jun 2 2014, 03:49 PM
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Jun 2 2014, 03:27 PM
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Jun 2 2014, 02:53 PM
Sweet and Salty
Jun 2 2014, 02:28 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepI just now heard from a fellow DOOL watcher that AZ was leaving the show too.

BTW don't horrify me with such ideas!


Regarding the bold/italicized...please NO, NO and NO.


I've been hearing Ari is leaving the show for 2 months now I sure hope not but I wouldn't mind her taking a break so they can fix her character and bring her back with some strength, fire, and boldness.. :hmmph:
I thought the whole AZ leaving rumor was just because she hadn't been tweeting from the
studio & then she finally did back in May.
Where is this info coming from?
I don't know where my friend heard this. Probably Soap Digest.
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six
Jun 2 2014, 07:32 PM
concerned
Jun 2 2014, 07:00 PM
six
Jun 2 2014, 06:45 PM
concerned
Jun 2 2014, 03:13 PM

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All villains lash out for a reason. Almost all of Nicole's misfortunes can be traced back to something stupid and/or illegal that she did.

But Nicole generally doesn't do it because she is "lashing out".

Her crimes usually are to do with either "holding on to something she loves" or breaking free from a situation she has found herself trapped in.

I'm trying to think of a crime she has done which was pure revenge a la Stefano / Kristen / Kate / Vivian.

I think most of her crimes don't trace back to something stupid or illegal that she did but they generally trace back to something that has happened outside of her control that she has reacted to/ responded to badly.

Jen to me wasn't about revenge it was about holding onto Daniel because she had already lost so much she couldn't lose him too.

Kidnapping Sydney wasn't about revenge it was about holding onto EJ because she had already lost so much she couldn't lose him too.

I think you're making things too black and white. She most definitely took Sydney partially because she was angry that Sami had EJ's baby and she didn't. She even thought about killing Sami when she found out that Sami was pregnant. She didn't have to bring Sami into it at all. She could have kept Grace. That's lashing out, imo. Same with Jennifer and killing Victor (although that one was also about money). Not to mention the purely innocent people she tried to kill, just to stay out of jail.

The only things that were actually outside her control are the failed pregnancies. She chose to attach herself to Victor for the money, and everything that happened after that can be traced back to that choice.
Who are the purely innocent people she tried to kill?

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Abe, Jack and Marlena.
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At least part of Nicole's actions with Sami were out of grief over losing her own child, though. Same thing with blaming Jen for her miscarriage (plus Jen was harassing her during a high-risk pregnancy).
Edited by Ophelia, Jun 2 2014, 07:51 PM.
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Jun 2 2014, 07:51 PM
At least part of Nicole's actions with Sami were out of grief over losing her own child, though. Same thing with blaming Jen for her miscarriage (plus Jen was harassing her during a high-risk pregnancy).
Oh sure, that's why I said she acted partially out of revenge/anger, not solely due to those things. Although it turned out that the stillbirth wasn't due to stress, so Jen's not at fault, even though she was a jerk.
Edited by six, Jun 2 2014, 07:54 PM.
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blueskies
Jun 2 2014, 07:12 PM
random complaint but i'm sick and tired of every single person having tan sheets.
I wonder if they do that so stage makeup doesn't possibly get on the sheets and show?? :shrug:
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Laura B
Jun 2 2014, 05:45 PM
DaysAddiction
Jun 2 2014, 04:55 PM
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Jun 2 2014, 04:18 PM
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Jun 2 2014, 04:05 PM

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That's her OPINION.
When did I ever say that it isn't her opinion? I'm asking how come she feels that he is arrogant and smug. I happen to see it differently which is also my opinion


Rafe is the I am always right kind of guy. He is a law abiding officer when it suits him. I found it so ridiculous that he was willing to cover up the fact that Sami shot EJ, but he wouldn't lie about Bernardi because of how truthful and lawful he is. When Jordan said she had a job offer and was going to move, he made it all about him, he didn't offer to go with her, he wanted her doing the sacrificing. The way he talks kind of reminds me of Sylester Stallone in Rocky, before he got a little smarter, the only difference is I liked Rocky. He made it work and GG doesn't, at least not for me.
I can totally see where the "he comes across arrogant" comes from! I don't think he IS, but it's just the way his mannerisms are.
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concerned
Jun 2 2014, 07:15 PM
blueskies
Jun 2 2014, 07:11 PM
i love Hope's reactions to Gabi's confessions, but I hope she learns from this that she shouldn't be working on cases this close to her.
Are there any cases in town she can work on?
she was working on some sort of petty crime case the night Nick was murdered - it's part of the reason why she didn't have the immediate time to talk to Nick after her chat with Will & Sonny. lol.
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blueskies
Jun 2 2014, 07:31 PM
wow, did Hope tell Gabi she deserves to die? Or did she say "He didn't deserve to die"? I rewound twice and still wasn't sure.
She said: "He didn't deserve this. He didn't deserve to die."
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concerned
Jun 2 2014, 06:19 PM
Does anyone out their refer to their own kid as "the baby" particularly when you only have one.

Just seems odd to me.
It's common in my parts!
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Jun 2 2014, 07:32 PM
concerned
Jun 2 2014, 07:00 PM
six
Jun 2 2014, 06:45 PM
concerned
Jun 2 2014, 03:13 PM

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All villains lash out for a reason. Almost all of Nicole's misfortunes can be traced back to something stupid and/or illegal that she did.

But Nicole generally doesn't do it because she is "lashing out".

Her crimes usually are to do with either "holding on to something she loves" or breaking free from a situation she has found herself trapped in.

I'm trying to think of a crime she has done which was pure revenge a la Stefano / Kristen / Kate / Vivian.

I think most of her crimes don't trace back to something stupid or illegal that she did but they generally trace back to something that has happened outside of her control that she has reacted to/ responded to badly.

Jen to me wasn't about revenge it was about holding onto Daniel because she had already lost so much she couldn't lose him too.

Kidnapping Sydney wasn't about revenge it was about holding onto EJ because she had already lost so much she couldn't lose him too.

I think you're making things too black and white. She most definitely took Sydney partially because she was angry that Sami had EJ's baby and she didn't. She even thought about killing Sami when she found out that Sami was pregnant. She didn't have to bring Sami into it at all. She could have kept Grace. That's lashing out, imo. Same with Jennifer and killing Victor (although that one was also about money). Not to mention the purely innocent people she tried to kill, just to stay out of jail.

The only things that were actually outside her control are the failed pregnancies. She chose to attach herself to Victor for the money, and everything that happened after that can be traced back to that choice.
If she was really about revenge on Sami why was she so worried about EJ and Sami's baby surviving?

Wouldn't it have suited her better if Sami's baby died?


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IMO it was about giving EJ his daughter not about Sami.
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Jun 2 2014, 07:49 PM
Abe, Jack and Marlena.
Were they purely innocent?

Weren't they able to expose her crimes?
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Ophelia
Jun 2 2014, 07:15 PM
blueskies
Jun 2 2014, 07:12 PM
random complaint but i'm sick and tired of every single person having tan sheets.
More proof that Daniel has slept with everyone and his spray tan rubbed off?
LOL I was thinking it.....glad you posted it! Ha!
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Jun 2 2014, 08:10 PM
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Jun 2 2014, 07:32 PM
concerned
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six
Jun 2 2014, 06:45 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep
But Nicole generally doesn't do it because she is "lashing out".

Her crimes usually are to do with either "holding on to something she loves" or breaking free from a situation she has found herself trapped in.

I'm trying to think of a crime she has done which was pure revenge a la Stefano / Kristen / Kate / Vivian.

I think most of her crimes don't trace back to something stupid or illegal that she did but they generally trace back to something that has happened outside of her control that she has reacted to/ responded to badly.

Jen to me wasn't about revenge it was about holding onto Daniel because she had already lost so much she couldn't lose him too.

Kidnapping Sydney wasn't about revenge it was about holding onto EJ because she had already lost so much she couldn't lose him too.

I think you're making things too black and white. She most definitely took Sydney partially because she was angry that Sami had EJ's baby and she didn't. She even thought about killing Sami when she found out that Sami was pregnant. She didn't have to bring Sami into it at all. She could have kept Grace. That's lashing out, imo. Same with Jennifer and killing Victor (although that one was also about money). Not to mention the purely innocent people she tried to kill, just to stay out of jail.

The only things that were actually outside her control are the failed pregnancies. She chose to attach herself to Victor for the money, and everything that happened after that can be traced back to that choice.
If she was really about revenge on Sami why was she so worried about EJ and Sami's baby surviving?

Wouldn't it have suited her better if Sami's baby died?


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IMO it was about giving EJ his daughter not about Sami.
Because she's not a complete and utter monster? Who would wish death on an infant? She could have given EJ his daughter by going home and saying "Sami's pregnant. It's yours." The end. But she didn't, because she wanted Sami's baby to herself.
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Jun 2 2014, 08:13 PM
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Jun 2 2014, 07:49 PM
Abe, Jack and Marlena.
Were they purely innocent?

Weren't they able to expose her crimes?
Really? Trying to expose a killer is a bad thing, now?
Edited by six, Jun 2 2014, 08:20 PM.
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Wow. I'm just going to add to the chorus. Camila literally had me weeping. I've NEVER cried at a soap before. At the very end, when she was talking about wanting to hold her baby, I just kinda lost it. Fabulous job.
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