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Monday, June 2nd Daily Discussion
Topic Started: May 31 2014, 02:33 AM (38,160 Views)
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marie1969
Jun 2 2014, 10:07 PM
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Jun 2 2014, 01:07 PM
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Jun 2 2014, 01:03 PM
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Jun 2 2014, 12:59 PM

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Yeah, the writing for WilSon has been really bad these past two weeks. Will and Sonny should not be celebrating right now about how happy they are to "fill in the blanks" for Gabi and saying how "brave" and "romantic" Will's decision was. They should be supporting Gabi.
And feeling more guilty for giving her the means to shoot Nick. And they had no right to have that gun in their house. It wasn't registered to them and was taken from Victor's house without his permission.
I disagree. Gabi is an adult. she made her choices. she made one bad choice after the other. Wilson are in no way responsible for what gabi did. No one is but her. I feel for her for the first time, but she could and should have handled things differently. It is not like she was fighting alone, everyone was rallying up around her, supporting her and trying to help her. She just made the wrong choice poor thing.

I was surprised though that Wilson did not seem all that concerned about Gabi. I am sure they care and feel bad, but they seemed more focused on Ari and each other which is understandable I guess. Ironically, the only person who seemed genuinely concerned and protective of Gabi was Ej LOL. Who knew...
The fact that she over heard Will & Sonny entire conversation including the guys concluding that killing Nick wasn't the answer if anything about that night in the apartment should have impacted Gabi it should have been that... the fact that ultimately both the guys didn't seen Nick's death as the answer. Gabi claimed she saw no other answer... which might have been Gabi telling the truth but she still ultimate decided to pull the trigger on her own. Will nor Sonny asked her to do so further more Will & Sonny actual thought they were alone and that Gabi was out... they had no clue they were even over heard.

Sonny called the police station and was told they couldn't see Gabi yet. Will wanted to stay at the police station but Lucas , and Sonny agreed that they needed to take Arianna home. Ari is 1 year old with no concept of what is going on so given that I sure what was ultimately thought was then needed to keep things as normal as possible for her minus the factor of Gabi's presences. Will & Sonny came off as concerned about Gabi but neither is a lawyer and EJ is so at the moment of what aired today EJ the only person who could truly do anything thing for Gabi at all.
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lysie
Jun 2 2014, 09:26 PM
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Jun 2 2014, 09:15 PM
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Overalls, I think that's the case with most actors and characters and their fans and nonfans.
Absolutely. For me, Will&Sonny just highlighted the predominant feelings expressed on this board though. (Anti-Sami, Anti-Daniel, Pro-Nicole) Those feelings usually chime the loudest although yes, I realize it's not always been that way and yes there is a wide representation of fans on this board, etc...etc...
I think you and a lot of people have missed a shift. While there's still a lot of proNicole, it's nowhere near what it used to be. The Daniel thing definitely, though.
It's only natural with Daniel though, IMO. I think so many people are just sick of him being shoved into every storyline and having everyone extolling his virtues 24/7. I've always enjoyed the character of Sami except for when she was supposed to be "good ". I enjoy Nicole too. I actually don't really hate any character on the show.I couldn't stand Nick but it was supposed to be that way. I think BB was great and I even felt for Nick in his final scenes. I just can't stand the writing of late and the "propping " of Daniel. I have t watch today's episode now after reading all of the raves. Haha.
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I really liked how Eric was very understanding and seemed like he was going to forgive her, UNTIL she revealed that her lies risked lives. IMO that was very in character for a former priest.
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Jun 2 2014, 10:04 PM
marie1969
Jun 2 2014, 09:53 PM
I was surprised Hope was so cold and incompassionate toward Gabi. You would think that she would feel some empathy after hearing the kind of emotional torture Nick put Gabi through. Since Nick died, Hope has been hearing just deeply damaged and sadistic Nick was and how many lives he tried to destroy for his own selfish reasons. Despite knowing that, she was very unsympathetic. Whatever bitch!
I think that if we saw a scene where Hope & Gabi were alone, Hope would be more compassionate and understanding. With the DA there and Hope being the lead investigator on the case, she had to keep a professional image. But even still, there were a few moments where you could see Hope reacting to what Gabi was saying and trying to keep her emotions/reactions at bay. Hope's definitely gonna crack one of these days and all those feelings she's been trying to keep in are gonna explode out of her. We saw a few brief moments at the start of her investigation, but nothing much since.
Yet another reason that Hope should never have been allowed within one hundred feet of this case.

Yes, that's always going to annoy me. :lol:
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Jun 2 2014, 10:22 PM
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Jun 2 2014, 09:26 PM
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Jun 2 2014, 09:23 PM
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Absolutely. For me, Will&Sonny just highlighted the predominant feelings expressed on this board though. (Anti-Sami, Anti-Daniel, Pro-Nicole) Those feelings usually chime the loudest although yes, I realize it's not always been that way and yes there is a wide representation of fans on this board, etc...etc...
I think you and a lot of people have missed a shift. While there's still a lot of proNicole, it's nowhere near what it used to be. The Daniel thing definitely, though.
It's only natural with Daniel though, IMO. I think so many people are just sick of him being shoved into every storyline and having everyone extolling his virtues 24/7. I've always enjoyed the character of Sami except for when she was supposed to be "good ". I enjoy Nicole too. I actually don't really hate any character on the show.I couldn't stand Nick but it was supposed to be that way. I think BB was great and I even felt for Nick in his final scenes. I just can't stand the writing of late and the "propping " of Daniel. I have t watch today's episode now after reading all of the raves. Haha.
I think it's natural with any character that has a lot of screen time. It's hard to be middle of the road with someone who's on constantly, and it's especially hard when you dislike them because it's basically in your face all the time, lol.
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Jun 2 2014, 09:53 PM
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I didn't understand why AS made this almost side-eye expression.
She's just watching Hope's expression. I don't see anything odd about it, personally. That's how one would look at a person they're standing next to instead of in front of. :shrug:
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One thing I didn't understand is why does everyone talk like Gabi is going to prison in Siberia? What's all the talk about Ari never seeing her mom? She can visit her in prison. And what kind of a plea bargain did EJ get Gabi if she's still going to be sentenced to life in prison. Also, why couldn't they just put Gabi is jail for the night and wait for her only blood relative? What was the rush?
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I didn't understand why AS made this almost side-eye expression.
She's just watching Hope's expression. I don't see anything odd about it, personally. That's how one would look at a person they're standing next to instead of in front of. :shrug:
I looked at that picture 4 times and couldn't figure out what the problem was. Then I decided maybe I was not observant.
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Jun 2 2014, 10:23 PM
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Jun 2 2014, 09:53 PM
I was surprised Hope was so cold and incompassionate toward Gabi. You would think that she would feel some empathy after hearing the kind of emotional torture Nick put Gabi through. Since Nick died, Hope has been hearing just deeply damaged and sadistic Nick was and how many lives he tried to destroy for his own selfish reasons. Despite knowing that, she was very unsympathetic. Whatever bitch!
I think that if we saw a scene where Hope & Gabi were alone, Hope would be more compassionate and understanding. With the DA there and Hope being the lead investigator on the case, she had to keep a professional image. But even still, there were a few moments where you could see Hope reacting to what Gabi was saying and trying to keep her emotions/reactions at bay. Hope's definitely gonna crack one of these days and all those feelings she's been trying to keep in are gonna explode out of her. We saw a few brief moments at the start of her investigation, but nothing much since.
Yet another reason that Hope should never have been allowed within one hundred feet of this case.

Yes, that's always going to annoy me. :lol:
If characters who are cops investigating crimes where the suspects are related to them (or close friends) annoys you, then you're watching the wrong genre. lol.
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Ah Sami thumbing through files in Hope's office was such a great in character touch by AS. Those little subtext moments can really make a scene and I love to see an actor so comfortable and familiar with their character to pull them off.

Rafe is in for a world of hurt losing his sister and in a way where he was so helpless. He tried very hard to know what was going on to help and was stopped at every turn. I liked how today he was shown in a blissfully happy state with Jordan. Besides those being cute couple moments reinforcing their relationship, we had the drama of knowing the shoe was about to drop on his world. Classic soap!

CB was flawless. She reached through the screen and grabbed me by the heart and didn't let go! I hate, hate, hate they are losing Gabi. I thought she was superb during the abortion scenes awhile back and today she just soared.

I believe Hope does have compassion for Gabi and we've witnessed it. I feel as though she had to say what she did to Gabi. Hope heard Nick's last words. She truly believed he was reaching out to change. In her mind Gabi robbed him of the chance to prove himself capable of it.

Baby Arianna is a dream! Give that lil thespian a raise for her performances! The intensity in which she follows conversations and looks intently in her scene partners faces is amazing. LOVE that baby!

The picture of the foursome on Jennifer's mantle is OTT.

Eric and Nicole may you both land in a much better place. This story sucks from every angle.


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Jun 2 2014, 10:27 PM
One thing I didn't understand is why does everyone talk like Gabi is going to prison in Siberia? What's all the talk about Ari never seeing her mom? She can visit her in prison. And what kind of a plea bargain did EJ get Gabi if she's still going to be sentenced to life in prison. Also, why couldn't they just put Gabi is jail for the night and wait for her only blood relative? What was the rush?
depends on the state my dad said some have age limits were the child needs to be five years of age. Maybe Gabi doesn't want her daughter to see her locked up maybe the show will explain it in the last couple episodes which Gabi has...
Gabi seemed to be in the rush, she didn't want anyone to talk her into defending herself, she basically told EJ as much...

Rafe is the reason that Rafe couldn't be gotten ahold of and something tells me that Gabi probably seemed to prefer that Rafe be involved after she confessed not before (but I am just guessing since she didn't ask about Rafe being called) Hope seemed to decide that on her who at least how it was written.
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Jun 2 2014, 10:27 PM
One thing I didn't understand is why does everyone talk like Gabi is going to prison in Siberia? What's all the talk about Ari never seeing her mom? She can visit her in prison. And what kind of a plea bargain did EJ get Gabi if she's still going to be sentenced to life in prison. Also, why couldn't they just put Gabi is jail for the night and wait for her only blood relative? What was the rush?
I dunno. I've no first hand experience, but I don't find it too hard to imagine that even if Gabi doesn't get sent away for life, getting sent away for what will likely amount to her daughter's entire childhood would probably feel like the equivalent of being sent off to Siberia.
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Jun 2 2014, 01:22 PM
CB literally was the highlight of this show today. She was amazing in her scenes - kudos to her. I felt her pain and guilt as the abuse victim. And her scenes were written beautifully. This was by far her best work and should be her emmy reel. Hoping for more great scenes from her in these next few days until her exit.

What pissed me off? Everyone else's reply / reactions. Sami seemed almost gleeful, and Will and Sonny are displaying their happiness over Will's "being free". It was horribly written, and horribly acted. Even EJ only tried to talk Gabi out of confessing ... for maybe 15 seconds, until he realized that by her doing so would let the rest of them (himself included) off the hook. They should have been much more concerned about her instead of just playing it like oh, well that sucks, huh. They should be thankful to her that she's not going to sell Sami and Kate down the river or the rest of them. Imo, Kami are the reason this whole mess happened.

I hope Rafe's reaction to all of them is to tell them all they are ALL to blame for where Gabi is sitting. He tried to help her, but everyone told him to stay out of it, and in the end, they didn't help her either. I want to see Rafe go bat-shit crazy on them!

Even Hope's reply to Gabi pissed me off. When Gabi apologized to Hope, and her reply was He didn't deserve to die. That may be true, but her response should have been imo, I'm sorry, too.

As far as Ericole goes, I'm just glad the truth is out. Days ruined them for me and I don't want to see Nicole grovel in any way. I do like the fact that she told him that he picked her and her reasoning for lying to him. I also want to see Daniel get pissy with Jen Jen for telling Eric - it was not her place. It pisses me off that's how it played out. Of course, Daniel shouldn't have been a part of it either. But Nicole needs to tell all of them to fuck off, including Eric.
Well Gabi is an adult and she chose to confess in spite of the advice of her attorney. She was determined to confess because she felt guilty and wanted to unburden herself. What was Ej supposed to do? force her? Legally, an attorney can not go against the decision of his client. All they can do is give them legal advice. Ultimately, it is their choice.

Sami was not gleeful, not in the least. I watched the scenes more than once and I never saw that. First she was shocked, then relieved for her son's sake and finally concerned and sympathetic toward Gabi and Ari. She even worried about Rafe. What else was she supposed to do? confess too?

Neither Kami, nor Wilson should be blamed for the decision that Gabi made. They tried to help her, they tried to reason with her and even pleaded with her. They were supportive and protective of her. They even risked their freedom to protect her ass. All of them. Gabi could have turned to them and share her fears. They could have teamed up together and fight back. But Gabi chose to do it her own way. Sadly, she gambled and lost.

As far as Rafe is concerned, if Rafe had given 2 shit about Gabi, he would have been there for her while she was going through all this. He knew Gabi was in trouble. He is super Rafe. He was able to expose Ej, expose Nicole and figure out that Sydney was Sami's, but he can not put 2 and 2 together and get 4?!! He is supposed to be a detective for Gwad sake. The only reason he did not help Gabi is because he did not care, no if or but. He swore he would find out what was going on and he never followed through. So if Rafe wants to blame someone for what happened to Gabi, you should look in the mirror. He was supposed to watch out for her and he did not. He dropped the ball. It is on him.
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Nicole's reasons didn't make any sense to me. If she has said she was insecure and didn't want to lose him after finally being together after all those years, I would've been sympathetic to her case. But she was all over the place. Her basic argument boiled down to "you chose me so the evidence didn't matter."

I really, really dislike Jennifer, but she did the right thing when she told Eric. She was rightfully shocked and dismayed by what Nicole did. I think she feels like a fool again. She befriended Kristen and look what happened. Then she forgave Nicole and even became her friend and she was rightfully dissapointed in herself for being a lousy judge of character, again.
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Jun 2 2014, 10:30 PM
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I didn't understand why AS made this almost side-eye expression.
She's just watching Hope's expression. I don't see anything odd about it, personally. That's how one would look at a person they're standing next to instead of in front of. :shrug:
I looked at that picture 4 times and couldn't figure out what the problem was. Then I decided maybe I was not observant.
It is not you LOL. I think that the character is so hated that some look for things that are not even there. I heard Sami was gleeful and was smiling, but I did not see that either.
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Jun 2 2014, 01:32 PM
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Jun 2 2014, 12:51 PM
you'd think Sami would be a little worried (or at least grateful that she isn't) that Gabi is throwing her & Kate under the bus
Not with EJ in there I don't think she was worried.
Maybe she was not thinking of herself at the moment. she was more concerned about her son, her granddaughter and her mother.
Edited by marie1969, Jun 3 2014, 12:39 AM.
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I think there will be a Gabi recast after a year of two years. Huge potential drama! The mother of a Horton child (albeit from a less regarded branch) who murdered a Horton. Maybe she can fall in love with another Horton. I am sure there are Horton males her age.
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Jun 2 2014, 10:38 PM
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Jun 2 2014, 01:22 PM
CB literally was the highlight of this show today. She was amazing in her scenes - kudos to her. I felt her pain and guilt as the abuse victim. And her scenes were written beautifully. This was by far her best work and should be her emmy reel. Hoping for more great scenes from her in these next few days until her exit.

What pissed me off? Everyone else's reply / reactions. Sami seemed almost gleeful, and Will and Sonny are displaying their happiness over Will's "being free". It was horribly written, and horribly acted. Even EJ only tried to talk Gabi out of confessing ... for maybe 15 seconds, until he realized that by her doing so would let the rest of them (himself included) off the hook. They should have been much more concerned about her instead of just playing it like oh, well that sucks, huh. They should be thankful to her that she's not going to sell Sami and Kate down the river or the rest of them. Imo, Kami are the reason this whole mess happened.

I hope Rafe's reaction to all of them is to tell them all they are ALL to blame for where Gabi is sitting. He tried to help her, but everyone told him to stay out of it, and in the end, they didn't help her either. I want to see Rafe go bat-shit crazy on them!

Even Hope's reply to Gabi pissed me off. When Gabi apologized to Hope, and her reply was He didn't deserve to die. That may be true, but her response should have been imo, I'm sorry, too.

As far as Ericole goes, I'm just glad the truth is out. Days ruined them for me and I don't want to see Nicole grovel in any way. I do like the fact that she told him that he picked her and her reasoning for lying to him. I also want to see Daniel get pissy with Jen Jen for telling Eric - it was not her place. It pisses me off that's how it played out. Of course, Daniel shouldn't have been a part of it either. But Nicole needs to tell all of them to fuck off, including Eric.
Well Gabi is an adult and she chose to confess in spite of the advice of her attorney. She was determined to confess because she felt guilty and wanted to unburden herself. What was Ej supposed to do? force her? Legally, an attorney can not go against the decision of his client. All they can do is give them legal advice. Ultimately, it is their choice.

Sami was not gleeful, not in the least. I watched the scenes more than once and I never saw that. First she was shocked, then relieved for her son's sake and finally concerned and sympathetic toward Gabi and Ari. She even worried about Rafe. What else was she supposed to do? confess too?

Neither Kami, nor Wilson should be blamed for the decision that Gabi made. They tried to help her, they tried to reason with her and even pleaded with her. They were supportive and protective of her. They even risked their freedom to protect her ass. All of them. Gabi could have turned to them and share her fears. They could have teamed up together and fight back. But Gabi chose to do it her own way. Sadly, she gambled and lost.

As far as Rafe is concerned, if Rafe had given 2 shit about Gabi, he would have been there for her while she was going through all this. He knew Gabi was in trouble. He is super Rafe. He was able to expose Ej, expose Nicole and figure out that Sydney was Sami's, but he can not put 2 and 2 together and get 4?!! He is supposed to be a detective for Gwad sake. The only reason he did not help Gabi is because he did not care, no if or but. He swore he would find out what was going on and he never followed through. So if Rafe wants to blame someone for what happened to Gabi, you should look in the mirror. He was supposed to watch out for her and he did not. He dropped the ball. It is on him.
I agree Gabi made the choice to confess, Rafe basically urged Gabi to let it go to court and let the SPD fail in court. Granted he doesn't know the would but Gabi's guilt because made the decision for her. She wanted the guilt off her coconscious so confessed first to Will & the room of people before that to Hope then then to the DA & Hope.


Rafe I do think his focus was in the wrong place, the fact that HOPE could not even get a hold of Rafe because he made the choice to shut off his phone kind of made me wonder where his head was at.

Will almost went down for Gabi's crime thinking Sonny did it and no one could get through to him till Gabi confessed in a manner that others could see there was no doubt Gabi was telling the truth.

Sonny did nothing wrong in the sense that he was talked out of taking Gabi's actions, one can argue that Sonny brought the gun into the apartment but if that guns wasn't there for all we know Gabi would have gone in search of Rafe's a used that, she sound that determined that she had no other choice but to kill Nick so due to that Sonny actions again he can't be blamed for where Gabi head was at with Nick... she didn't asked for help when any number of people would have given it too her.

Gabi only took EJ with the understanding that it was to get her a plea deal in return for her confession.

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Jun 2 2014, 10:04 PM
I was right, Gabi absolutely killed me today! I do agree that the Wilson scenes were a little off, but I didn't feel like they were totally insensitive. They definitely wanted to be there for Gabi, but the baby needed to be their priority. Too bad Will wasn't thinking like that when he made his dopey confession.
I also think the gravity of what was coming for Gabi and Ari did start to register for Sami as well. Once the relief over Will settled down she did become a bit more somber.

CB really killed her scenes today. It makes me sad to see her go!
I agree. I had no problem with Will and Sonny taking their daughter home. Will inquired about Gabi at the police station and Sonny called to ask about her when they were back at the apartment. Both times they were told they couldn't see her so it's not like they don't care about what just happened. Clearly when they were at the police station they were confused about Gabi being the killer. I never expected either of them to burst into tears over Gabi's confession. GW's Will doesn't cry at the drop of a hat like CM's Will did and Sonny rarely sheds any tears. Besides, they wanted to show family unity with Ari today and crying and carrying on around the baby would not have been the best idea anyway, imo. Their family is now down a member (as in physically there with them) so I can understand why they're going to want to cling to each other that much more. The three of them are going to have goodbye scenes next week so we'll especially see some more conversation about/with Gabi and also some emotion then.

Camila was amazing in her scenes today. She really blew me away. Too bad they couldn't give her decent material to work with before now.
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Just watched today's eppy and I have to say kudos to Camila Banus. she killed it, today. I felt Gabi's pain. EJ has been acting more like a big brother to Gabi than Rafe, lately.
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