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Monday, June 2nd Daily Discussion
Topic Started: May 31 2014, 02:33 AM (38,157 Views)
Angelsmile
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Rosebud
Jun 2 2014, 04:57 PM
Elvis DiMera, attorney at law (haha), proved today that he's unethical and should be disbarred. He had no business jumping in to represent Gabi knowing that he would be advising her in a case which he is eminently involved and having selfish motives to advise her to confess.
He actually advised her not to confess. He told he initially they could beat the case. She said she did not want anyone else to get blamed and he said cases go unsolved all the time. She continued to insist so he told her to go for mitigating circumstances. She explained that she was not willing to get everyone in trouble that had helped her and once again insisted she confess. He then asked her to trust him to get the best deal for her. There could have been a conflict of interest, but Gabi had already made up her mind what she wanted to do. EJ was willing to fight a not guilty plea, but it is not what Gabi wanted. The only direction he tried to guide her was in pleading not guilty.
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Jun 2 2014, 09:12 PM
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Jun 2 2014, 08:39 PM
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Jun 2 2014, 08:36 PM
I didn't think that Sami came across as being insensitive during my first viewing of this episode, and I still don't think that she came across that way after my second viewing of it. But I also don't really have anything against Sami to begin with (except for her chosen fiancé), so there's that.
It's funny . .. I didn't think she came across as insensitive either, but then again maybe I've become desensitized to her? :shrug:
Personally -- and I mean no offense to anyone here with what I'm about to say, as you're all entitled to your opinions -- I think it's just the opposite -- I think that she (and/or Alison Sweeney) just annoys some people so much that they are able to find faults in her even when there aren't really any to be found. The same is true of Daniel, IMO.

And the same phenomenon occurs with Nicole, but in reverse. People are remarkably sympathetic to her every plight, even when they shouldn't be. I swear, I sometimes feel like if she suffered a paper cut on-screen, there would be pages and pages of posts about the injustice of it all. :lol:
I personally love Alison Sweeney. I watch her both on Days and as the host of the Biggest loser
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Jun 2 2014, 09:41 PM
OliveAnn
Jun 2 2014, 02:32 PM
I remember when Camila Banus first joined the show. Gabi was the most pointless character and people couldn't understand why TPTB were keeping the character, let alone recasting her. And Banus' previous work on OLTL was hardly impressive. In fact, for the first couple of years on this show, Banus was dead on screen. But, Days Acting School kicked in again and, as is the case with most younger actresses, she's leaving with a bang, doing her best work in 4 years. I'm not sure when her last day is (Wednesday?), but I'm gonna use this opportunity to wish her good luck in the big world out there.
June 12 or 13 is Camila' s last air date.
Really? That happens to be my mom's b day, June 12th :wub2:
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Prior to Rafe's coma he and Gabi were written as being supportive and there for each other.Once Rafe's coma ended,he and Gabi became acquaintances.EJ,Sami,Will,and Sonny became Gabi's only support system even though Gabi ranked last on each of their list of persons about whom they cared.I hate that they wrote Rafe making love to Jordan while Gabi was at the lowest point in her life.The least they could have done was have Rafe out of Salem investigating a case.EJ surplanted Rafe in Gabi's life just as he was allowed to surplant
Lucas in Will's life.Aiden was able to negotiate a great plea deal for JJ,he should have been Gabi's attorney.Might even have created some
tension between him and Hope.
I have always liked Gabi and CB proved today that she is a very good actress who just needed good material to shine.Although I love AZ and have been moved by her performances,I have never had tears in my eyes while watching a soap until today with CB.If she does not win an Emmy for today's performance,there is something wrong with the judging system.It is likely Gabi will have visiting privileges which would permit visits with Arianna but there is a difference between being able to go to your child whenever your child needs you, day or nignt,and seeing your child in public visiting room for a set number of hours during a specified time of the day on a set number of days of the week.Gabi will not hear Arianna's first word(unless it is said during a jail/prision visit-what a wonderful memory),miss her first steps,and likely miss her first day of school.
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Jun 2 2014, 08:10 PM
six
Jun 2 2014, 07:32 PM
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Jun 2 2014, 07:00 PM
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Jun 2 2014, 06:45 PM

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But Nicole generally doesn't do it because she is "lashing out".

Her crimes usually are to do with either "holding on to something she loves" or breaking free from a situation she has found herself trapped in.

I'm trying to think of a crime she has done which was pure revenge a la Stefano / Kristen / Kate / Vivian.

I think most of her crimes don't trace back to something stupid or illegal that she did but they generally trace back to something that has happened outside of her control that she has reacted to/ responded to badly.

Jen to me wasn't about revenge it was about holding onto Daniel because she had already lost so much she couldn't lose him too.

Kidnapping Sydney wasn't about revenge it was about holding onto EJ because she had already lost so much she couldn't lose him too.

I think you're making things too black and white. She most definitely took Sydney partially because she was angry that Sami had EJ's baby and she didn't. She even thought about killing Sami when she found out that Sami was pregnant. She didn't have to bring Sami into it at all. She could have kept Grace. That's lashing out, imo. Same with Jennifer and killing Victor (although that one was also about money). Not to mention the purely innocent people she tried to kill, just to stay out of jail.

The only things that were actually outside her control are the failed pregnancies. She chose to attach herself to Victor for the money, and everything that happened after that can be traced back to that choice.
If she was really about revenge on Sami why was she so worried about EJ and Sami's baby surviving?

Wouldn't it have suited her better if Sami's baby died?


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IMO it was about giving EJ his daughter not about Sami.
Because passing someone else's baby off as your own is easier when the baby shares the same father that your own baby would have, of course. How many such lies have been revealed when a baby has suddenly gotten ill and needed to be a genetic match to one of the parents? Her secret was much safer with Sami and E.J.'s baby than with RandomMother and RandomFather's baby.
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Kaha
Jun 2 2014, 11:47 PM
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Jun 2 2014, 11:35 PM
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Jun 2 2014, 11:26 PM
Through it was probably a hard thing for Will & Sonny they had to do what was best for Arianna
See, this is why I hated Will's confession. Throughout this entire thing, I am just not seeing Will's concern for Arianna. Like, I get that Days was trying to make this out to be a romantic, heroic decision for Will, but it just looked bad. It would've worked better (and I would have enjoyed it much better) if Sonny had been the one to confess to protect Will so that Arianna could be with her parents. It would've accomplished the same thing and not have come across as quite so uncomfortable. As a big WilSon fan, I was really turned off by the writing for them for this part of the story.

If anything, I guess we can say that Will's confession makes him look more like his mother. Putting a man before the children! Lol.
The writers are so plot driven at times, they don't seem to care about the long term damage their committment to the plot is doing to their characters. For a full year they hit us over the head with Will's devotion to his daughter and how he put her above everyone else and then because of a stupid plot they decided to squander that.
Actually, they already squandered that once long ago, when they decided to retcon Will's decision to let Gabi and Nick raise Arianna into a purely selfish decision driven by his desire to hold on to Sonny instead of what it had actually been in the beginning -- a purely selfless decision driven by his desire to give his daughter the kind of stability that he and his siblings had longed for but had never had.

That was complete and utter bullshit, and I still vehemently object to any implications that it's the least bit true.
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Jun 2 2014, 05:15 PM
Camilla! When she used her fingers to point to her eye and spoke of seeing Nick, I just marveled at what a really good actor she became while I watched. Then I thought what a damn shame she's right behind BB and about all the great scenes that could have been.

Eric is just ludicrous. What an asshole. I liked Nicole's explanation. Just wished she'd made as big a deal as Hope did about any evidence she and Douchial found being non-admissible in court. It would have bolstered her (actually good) argument. St. Eric DID tell her he chose her. I guess he did so because moving into the abbey with the creepy monk as a way to stay in the church didn't sound as pleasant as being with Nicole. This whole Catholic church won't forgive Eric Brady for his "sin" is ludicrous, anyway.

I liked Nicole's explanation as well. I guess his faith is more important to him than being with her. If he really does love her he would choose her over being a priest.
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PALMommy
Jun 2 2014, 11:33 PM
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Jun 2 2014, 09:44 PM
Personally, I think y'all pick on Daniel way too much. Shame on you.














;)
Oh hush! You're just jealous of his glowing and radiant tan and the luxurious hair! :wub2:
Alas, 'tis true......................

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Jun 2 2014, 09:53 PM
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I didn't understand why AS made this almost side-eye expression.
Wow, is AS really that much taller than KA? Or is she wearing some of those big heels she always wears? I thought her hair looked bad again.
Edited by Rosebud, Jun 3 2014, 06:10 AM.
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Jun 3 2014, 02:05 AM
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Jun 2 2014, 11:47 PM
am103
Jun 2 2014, 11:35 PM
WilSonJAb33
Jun 2 2014, 11:26 PM
Through it was probably a hard thing for Will & Sonny they had to do what was best for Arianna
See, this is why I hated Will's confession. Throughout this entire thing, I am just not seeing Will's concern for Arianna. Like, I get that Days was trying to make this out to be a romantic, heroic decision for Will, but it just looked bad. It would've worked better (and I would have enjoyed it much better) if Sonny had been the one to confess to protect Will so that Arianna could be with her parents. It would've accomplished the same thing and not have come across as quite so uncomfortable. As a big WilSon fan, I was really turned off by the writing for them for this part of the story.

If anything, I guess we can say that Will's confession makes him look more like his mother. Putting a man before the children! Lol.
The writers are so plot driven at times, they don't seem to care about the long term damage their committment to the plot is doing to their characters. For a full year they hit us over the head with Will's devotion to his daughter and how he put her above everyone else and then because of a stupid plot they decided to squander that.
Actually, they already squandered that once long ago, when they decided to retcon Will's decision to let Gabi and Nick raise Arianna into a purely selfish decision driven by his desire to hold on to Sonny instead of what it had actually been in the beginning -- a purely selfless decision driven by his desire to give his daughter the kind of stability that he and his siblings had longed for but had never had.

That was complete and utter bullshit, and I still vehemently object to any implications that it's the least bit true.
There was never anything selfless about Will avoiding his responsibility as a father. He came off as a coward who attempted to rationalize his decision by saying he was doing it for his daughter's sake.
Edited by JaimeLannister, Jun 3 2014, 06:12 AM.
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Jun 3 2014, 06:10 AM
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Jun 3 2014, 02:05 AM
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Jun 2 2014, 11:47 PM
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Jun 2 2014, 11:35 PM

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The writers are so plot driven at times, they don't seem to care about the long term damage their committment to the plot is doing to their characters. For a full year they hit us over the head with Will's devotion to his daughter and how he put her above everyone else and then because of a stupid plot they decided to squander that.
Actually, they already squandered that once long ago, when they decided to retcon Will's decision to let Gabi and Nick raise Arianna into a purely selfish decision driven by his desire to hold on to Sonny instead of what it had actually been in the beginning -- a purely selfless decision driven by his desire to give his daughter the kind of stability that he and his siblings had longed for but had never had.

That was complete and utter bullshit, and I still vehemently object to any implications that it's the least bit true.
There was never anything selfless about Will avoiding his responsibility as a father. He came off as a coward who attempted to rationalize his decision by saying he was doing it for his daughter's sake.
That's why I like some of the grayer characters i.e. Carly Jax , Reva Shane, Sonny Corinthos no person messed with the children of these folks and got away with it. No love interest should come before your child. That's why I'm anxiously awaiting the writers to give Nicole a child could you imagine what would happen to the sorry someone who tries to mess with her kid. In my opinion Marlena was a poor mother especially to her twins she'd have served Sami and Eric up on a silver platter to appease John if he were to ask her funny RoJohn was a better parent to those kids then Roman and Marlena ever thought about being.
Edited by astropastel, Jun 3 2014, 07:23 AM.
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Isn't Sonny just as much of a parent to Arianna as Will or Gabi? Wouldn't she feel his loss just as much? On top of that, Sonny seems to be the most consistent, emotionally stable parent and the one with the means to provide her with a stable, financially healthy household. Yes, Will was acting out of love and guilt, but it's not as though Arianna wasn't going to lose one of her parents in this scenario and Sonny, the fact that Will thought Sonny killed someone notwithstanding, would probably win the contest for being the best of the three.

Would people be hating on Will as much if he thought he was protecting Gabi? And if so, is the fact that she's the mother make a big difference? It always does with the courts, of course. All three of these people have raised the child from birth, and I think Ari would feel the loss of any of them fairly significantly. Perhaps making sure that Ari had a father who was able to support her and provide her with a consistent, stable home was in her best interest.
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Jun 3 2014, 07:38 AM
Isn't Sonny just as much of a parent to Arianna as Will or Gabi? Wouldn't she feel his loss just as much? On top of that, Sonny seems to be the most consistent, emotionally stable parent and the one with the means to provide her with a stable, financially healthy household. Yes, Will was acting out of love and guilt, but it's not as though Arianna wasn't going to lose one of her parents in this scenario and Sonny, the fact that Will thought Sonny killed someone notwithstanding, would probably win the contest for being the best of the three.

Would people be hating on Will as much if he thought he was protecting Gabi? And if so, is the fact that she's the mother make a big difference? It always does with the courts, of course. All three of these people have raised the child from birth, and I think Ari would feel the loss of any of them fairly significantly. Perhaps making sure that Ari had a father who was able to support her and provide her with a consistent, stable home was in her best interest.
Biologically she is Will's child Sonny Gabi or anybody else should never come before your child.
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Jun 3 2014, 07:22 AM
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Jun 3 2014, 06:10 AM
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Jun 2 2014, 11:47 PM

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Actually, they already squandered that once long ago, when they decided to retcon Will's decision to let Gabi and Nick raise Arianna into a purely selfish decision driven by his desire to hold on to Sonny instead of what it had actually been in the beginning -- a purely selfless decision driven by his desire to give his daughter the kind of stability that he and his siblings had longed for but had never had.

That was complete and utter bullshit, and I still vehemently object to any implications that it's the least bit true.
There was never anything selfless about Will avoiding his responsibility as a father. He came off as a coward who attempted to rationalize his decision by saying he was doing it for his daughter's sake.
That's why I like some of the grayer characters i.e. Carly Jax , Reva Shane, Sonny Corinthos no person messed with the children of these folks and got away with it. No love interest should come before your child. That's why I'm anxiously awaiting the writers to give Nicole a child could you imagine what would happen to the sorry someone who tries to mess with her kid. In my opinion Marlena was a poor mother especially to her twins she'd have served Sami and Eric up on a silver platter to appease John if he were to ask her funny RoJohn was a better parent to those kids then Roman and Marlena ever thought about being.
I don't call what Carly and Sonny did to Michael (past and present) love or parenting. I won't go into it because this board is for Days.
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Jun 3 2014, 07:43 AM
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Jun 3 2014, 07:38 AM
Isn't Sonny just as much of a parent to Arianna as Will or Gabi? Wouldn't she feel his loss just as much? On top of that, Sonny seems to be the most consistent, emotionally stable parent and the one with the means to provide her with a stable, financially healthy household. Yes, Will was acting out of love and guilt, but it's not as though Arianna wasn't going to lose one of her parents in this scenario and Sonny, the fact that Will thought Sonny killed someone notwithstanding, would probably win the contest for being the best of the three.

Would people be hating on Will as much if he thought he was protecting Gabi? And if so, is the fact that she's the mother make a big difference? It always does with the courts, of course. All three of these people have raised the child from birth, and I think Ari would feel the loss of any of them fairly significantly. Perhaps making sure that Ari had a father who was able to support her and provide her with a consistent, stable home was in her best interest.
Biologically she is Will's child Sonny Gabi or anybody else should never come before your child.
I'm an adopted child. I can't tell you how often people find that out and ask me who my real parents were. My real parents were the people who raised me, and the ignorance that permeates our society on this issue is both astounding and chilling. I thank heaven every day that the woman who gave birth to me had the courage to know that she was not capable of raising me. She was not selfish. She was not a coward. And she was a better person than most.

Obviously, this scenario is different from the one onscreen (I think Will was un-wise, too) , but it does boil down to the fact that there is a deep prejudice in this world against adopted families and that's very sad.
Edited by Honeybees, Jun 3 2014, 07:53 AM.
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Jun 2 2014, 09:23 PM
Overalls. Lol.
Was that a sign of things to come? lol
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I think you're making things too black and white. She most definitely took Sydney partially because she was angry that Sami had EJ's baby and she didn't. She even thought about killing Sami when she found out that Sami was pregnant. She didn't have to bring Sami into it at all. She could have kept Grace. That's lashing out, imo. Same with Jennifer and killing Victor (although that one was also about money). Not to mention the purely innocent people she tried to kill, just to stay out of jail.

The only things that were actually outside her control are the failed pregnancies. She chose to attach herself to Victor for the money, and everything that happened after that can be traced back to that choice.
If she was really about revenge on Sami why was she so worried about EJ and Sami's baby surviving?

Wouldn't it have suited her better if Sami's baby died?


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IMO it was about giving EJ his daughter not about Sami.
Because passing someone else's baby off as your own is easier when the baby shares the same father that your own baby would have, of course. How many such lies have been revealed when a baby has suddenly gotten ill and needed to be a genetic match to one of the parents? Her secret was much safer with Sami and E.J.'s baby than with RandomMother and RandomFather's baby.
That would be a "good*" reason to take Sami's baby, but it never entered into Nicole's mind. She made no attempt to find out Sami's medical history, so she could use it as her own, which is why when Sydney stopped breathing, it was news to her that Sami's family has a history of SIDS.

*As in as good of a reason for kidnapping as possible.
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Jun 2 2014, 09:53 PM
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I didn't understand why AS made this almost side-eye expression.
Because she's totally weird and makes inapproriate gestures at the most inopportune times? lol
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Jun 2 2014, 09:53 PM
LOL! Look at her, she's positively giddy, whilst Gabi is in the other room ready to go to prison for life! :blulaugh:
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Jun 3 2014, 06:10 AM
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The writers are so plot driven at times, they don't seem to care about the long term damage their committment to the plot is doing to their characters. For a full year they hit us over the head with Will's devotion to his daughter and how he put her above everyone else and then because of a stupid plot they decided to squander that.
Actually, they already squandered that once long ago, when they decided to retcon Will's decision to let Gabi and Nick raise Arianna into a purely selfish decision driven by his desire to hold on to Sonny instead of what it had actually been in the beginning -- a purely selfless decision driven by his desire to give his daughter the kind of stability that he and his siblings had longed for but had never had.

That was complete and utter bullshit, and I still vehemently object to any implications that it's the least bit true.
There was never anything selfless about Will avoiding his responsibility as a father. He came off as a coward who attempted to rationalize his decision by saying he was doing it for his daughter's sake.
I don't care about how Nick/Gabi/Will storyline was rewritten but I watched it on my screen and I didn't see what you're talking about. Will was straight out of high school, he was struggling with his identity and an older cousin who was an ardent homophone manipulated him into thinking the baby would be better off raised in "stable home," and with two parents. Throughout that first storyline, almost all of Will's conversations with Nick and Gabi (together or separately) revolved around what's best for the baby and about how Gabi and Nick were a better option for her. Will's turbulent childhood came in to the discussion more than anything else. Will agonized over this and when he came to term with the situation and fell in love with his unborn baby, Nick blackmailed him. So, for Will, it was a choice between ruining his family's life or letting his baby live with her mother and the homophobe of her choice. But even that didn't take long for Will to realize it was not a good option for his daughter.

Will was young and confused. Besides, you're making it seem like no one can ever decide their child would have a better life if they were raised by someone else. You are condemning a lot of parents who give up their children out of love and necessity. If biology was the only deciding factor as to what makes a parent then we're in a lot of trouble.
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