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Topic Started: Jun 3 2014, 11:26 PM (22,607 Views)
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Jun 4 2014, 06:07 PM
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Ok I just recently started watching again but who in the hell is this Paige chick and why is she interfering with my JJ/Bev? :toetap:
And Midol? Really Days? :shame:
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Jun 4 2014, 06:19 PM
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I liked that pathetic phone call Brady tried to make to Rafe. It encapsulated what a craptastic loser he is. He couldn't even come up with anything to say. Why did he even bother? Jump off a bridge Brady, at least you'd be food for some fish :P ;)
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Jun 4 2014, 06:22 PM
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so... about all of those people claiming Gabi was trying to ruin Will & Sonny's happiness for her own selfishness...
To be fair, the show completely changed Gabi's motivation. For months she was fighting with everyone and reaching out to Nick. She didn't look like someone who was afraid of Nick. She slapped Sami, picked a fight (twice) with Sonny on not inviting Nick; she told everyone that she trusts Nick and without him she wouldn't have got her dream job; she told Will and Sonny they need to get used to seeing Nick, if they want her and Arianna to still live with them and let's not forget Gabi telling Nick to take care of Sami. There was no indication that she didn't believe/mean any of that. The only time she showed fear and disagreement was when they met with Aidan and after Nick forced her to set a court date.
Gabi has always insisted that she would never want to keep Will from his daughter no matter what. That doesn't seem like something a selfish person would do. Gabi made a lot of mistakes but never deliberately set out to hurt anybody and she was a victim in all this. Everybody wanted Nick dead , it's just sad she's the one who has to pay by leaving behind a small child to grow up without her mother.
My problem with Gabi has been that the words were always there, but the actions were not. She always said she did not want to keep Will from Ari, but Nick would come behind her and put into play actions to keep Will from Ari and she would go along. She always went along to please and/or keep Nick which was selfish when she was claiming Will was her best friend. I do think it is tragic that once her eyes were opened she could not see a way out, and now she will be without Ari and Ari will be without her. I think Gabi just proved she is a loyal friend by getting rid of Nick , taking the fall for it without implicating anybody else and their role in all of it, Will included. She's sacrificed her freedom and a life with her daughter so Nick would no longer control not only herself but everybody else involved. She did it for her daughter and the people she loved,not because she is selfish and only looking out for herself. She wanted to believe Nick had changed but never did she carry through with any of his manipulations to keep her and Ari from the people she loved. I firmly believe it was never her intention and that she was playing along with Nick out of fear.
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Jun 4 2014, 06:23 PM
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While I can understand Rafe accepting Gabi's decision to accept responsibility for her wrongdoing,I still don't understand why he did not try to talk her into having an attorney other than EJ given that he was upset that she felt her best alternative was to kill Nick rather than turn to him.An attorney looks out for the best interests of his client.I did not like Gabi say she trusts EJ after he basically talked her out of mentioning Rivergate which would provide mitigation affecting the charge/sentence in her case.I'm happy that Marlena will know that Gabi is keeping quiet about Nick,Sami and Kate's behavior at the river which could affect the charge/sentence and that Sami is allowing Gabi to do so to save her own ass.I wonder how Aiden left the message.Gabi would not likely have access to her phone since she is under arrest for murder.Rafe did not mention the offer so it is not likely the message was left on his phone.Even though Nick was her cousin,I wish that Hope would suggest that Aiden contact Gabi personally to offer his services given that she does not trust EJ. Rafe should have been written as having gone to W.Salem off screen to tell his mother in person that Gabi had been arrested for murder then having the conversation with Jordan about that experience.How far can W.Salem possibly be from Salem?
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Jun 4 2014, 06:34 PM
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so... about all of those people claiming Gabi was trying to ruin Will & Sonny's happiness for her own selfishness...
To be fair, the show completely changed Gabi's motivation. For months she was fighting with everyone and reaching out to Nick. She didn't look like someone who was afraid of Nick. She slapped Sami, picked a fight (twice) with Sonny on not inviting Nick; she told everyone that she trusts Nick and without him she wouldn't have got her dream job; she told Will and Sonny they need to get used to seeing Nick, if they want her and Arianna to still live with them and let's not forget Gabi telling Nick to take care of Sami. There was no indication that she didn't believe/mean any of that. The only time she showed fear and disagreement was when they met with Aidan and after Nick forced her to set a court date. I agree. they did a 180 with the story. A lot of things don't add up with the new turn of the story. CB's performance sold it to me, not the writing. But it is what it is. I suspect they did that so they could shock the audience. it is the writers' idea of a great twist LOL.
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Jun 4 2014, 06:35 PM
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- Jun 4 2014, 06:23 PM
While I can understand Rafe accepting Gabi's decision to accept responsibility for her wrongdoing,I still don't understand why he did not try to talk her into having an attorney other than EJ given that he was upset that she felt her best alternative was to kill Nick rather than turn to him.An attorney looks out for the best interests of his client.I did not like Gabi say she trusts EJ after he basically talked her out of mentioning Rivergate which would provide mitigation affecting the charge/sentence in her case.I'm happy that Marlena will know that Gabi is keeping quiet about Nick,Sami and Kate's behavior at the river which could affect the charge/sentence and that Sami is allowing Gabi to do so to save her own ass.I wonder how Aiden left the message.Gabi would not likely have access to her phone since she is under arrest for murder.Rafe did not mention the offer so it is not likely the message was left on his phone.Even though Nick was her cousin,I wish that Hope would suggest that Aiden contact Gabi personally to offer his services given that she does not trust EJ. Rafe should have been written as having gone to W.Salem off screen to tell his mother in person that Gabi had been arrested for murder then having the conversation with Jordan about that experience.How far can W.Salem possibly be from Salem? I think it shows how Gabi is still very naive for trusting EJ to represent her. Of course she knows he needs to protect his own ass and Sami's so yeah, he'll have to tread carefully with her case but I don't see him fighting to keep her out of jail when she's going down for something he hired somebody to do. I hope Rafe decides to get to the bottom of this and exposes him and the rest of the coven.
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Jun 4 2014, 06:36 PM
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As if I didn't already find Paige to be ridiculously sappy. And LOL at that close up of the midol bottle on the table with the glass of water. I wonder how much time it took to set up that shot.
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Jun 4 2014, 06:44 PM
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so... about all of those people claiming Gabi was trying to ruin Will & Sonny's happiness for her own selfishness...
To be fair, the show completely changed Gabi's motivation. For months she was fighting with everyone and reaching out to Nick. She didn't look like someone who was afraid of Nick. She slapped Sami, picked a fight (twice) with Sonny on not inviting Nick; she told everyone that she trusts Nick and without him she wouldn't have got her dream job; she told Will and Sonny they need to get used to seeing Nick, if they want her and Arianna to still live with them and let's not forget Gabi telling Nick to take care of Sami. There was no indication that she didn't believe/mean any of that. The only time she showed fear and disagreement was when they met with Aidan and after Nick forced her to set a court date.
Gabi has always insisted that she would never want to keep Will from his daughter no matter what. That doesn't seem like something a selfish person would do. Gabi made a lot of mistakes but never deliberately set out to hurt anybody and she was a victim in all this. Everybody wanted Nick dead , it's just sad she's the one who has to pay by leaving behind a small child to grow up without her mother.
My problem with Gabi has been that the words were always there, but the actions were not. She always said she did not want to keep Will from Ari, but Nick would come behind her and put into play actions to keep Will from Ari and she would go along. She always went along to please and/or keep Nick which was selfish when she was claiming Will was her best friend. I do think it is tragic that once her eyes were opened she could not see a way out, and now she will be without Ari and Ari will be without her. This. Gabi never struck me as evil so much as weak-willed, foolish, cowardly, and self-serving. But that weakness was just as damaging to her and others as malice would have been. Someone with a backbone or a strong moral compass would have stood up to Nick long before it came down to those three bullets in the park. Gabi always seemed to take the path of least resistance, trying to please, placate, and bury her head in the sand rather than face up to unpleasant realities. I could have respected a Gabi who called Nick's bluff, who told him to go ahead and expose her crimes, but that wouldn't make her love him or give him access to her daughter. And she'd make sure he got sent back to jail himself on extortion and attempted rape charges. That would have been a far more satisfying resolution than this depressing and rather pathetic outcome. I pity Gabi, but I kind of despise her a bit too, because her problems were at least half of her own making.
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Jun 4 2014, 06:44 PM
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Gabi has always insisted that she would never want to keep Will from his daughter no matter what. That doesn't seem like something a selfish person would do. Gabi made a lot of mistakes but never deliberately set out to hurt anybody and she was a victim in all this. Everybody wanted Nick dead , it's just sad she's the one who has to pay by leaving behind a small child to grow up without her mother.
My problem with Gabi has been that the words were always there, but the actions were not. She always said she did not want to keep Will from Ari, but Nick would come behind her and put into play actions to keep Will from Ari and she would go along. She always went along to please and/or keep Nick which was selfish when she was claiming Will was her best friend. I do think it is tragic that once her eyes were opened she could not see a way out, and now she will be without Ari and Ari will be without her.
I think Gabi just proved she is a loyal friend by getting rid of Nick , taking the fall for it without implicating anybody else and their role in all of it, Will included. She's sacrificed her freedom and a life with her daughter so Nick would no longer control not only herself but everybody else involved. She did it for her daughter and the people she loved,not because she is selfish and only looking out for herself. She wanted to believe Nick had changed but never did she carry through with any of his manipulations to keep her and Ari from the people she loved. I firmly believe it was never her intention and that she was playing along with Nick out of fear. I totally agree with the conclusion you reached in the last sentence of your post.When I watched the video KAM posted in the Tuesday thread showing the uninterrupted sequence of events from the time Sami and Kate found out that Nick had a hand in the New York job offer to Gabi and Gabi's return to the apartment after they put Nick in the river.You see Gabi standing up to Nick in the square,him following her when she wallked off,and the confrontation between them.Gabi stands up to Nick until he gets angry with her then her entire demeanor changes.She looks frightened then she starts agreeing with what he is saying.I didn't notice this when I watched the actual episodes and I believe that is because in the clips you just see Sami,Kate,Nick,and Gabi's scenes not the other show filler.
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Jun 4 2014, 06:48 PM
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So who was Bev talking to? Who has come back to town?
My first thought was Cole. He could have returned to Salem after being released from prison. He would care about what J.J. had been up to, since he never liked J.J. And Bev did just mention his name a few days ago. I had forgotten about Cole.We will likely have to endure a summer of Bev and Cole scheming against JJ and Paige with Rory caught in the middle.Not looking forward to seeing this scenario.Hope I am wrong.
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Jun 4 2014, 06:52 PM
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CB was very good again today, but GG and GW left a LOT to be desired. GG because he's just not that good, and GW because there's no emotional connection. I see him perform the scenes but I'm just seeing and feeling the surface. Not feeling or seeing any depth. Oh, how I wish that CM had been there for those scenes between Wabi the best friends and parents of Arianna.
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Jun 4 2014, 06:53 PM
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so... about all of those people claiming Gabi was trying to ruin Will & Sonny's happiness for her own selfishness...
To be fair, the show completely changed Gabi's motivation. For months she was fighting with everyone and reaching out to Nick. She didn't look like someone who was afraid of Nick. She slapped Sami, picked a fight (twice) with Sonny on not inviting Nick; she told everyone that she trusts Nick and without him she wouldn't have got her dream job; she told Will and Sonny they need to get used to seeing Nick, if they want her and Arianna to still live with them and let's not forget Gabi telling Nick to take care of Sami. There was no indication that she didn't believe/mean any of that. The only time she showed fear and disagreement was when they met with Aidan and after Nick forced her to set a court date.
I agree. they did a 180 with the story. A lot of things don't add up with the new turn of the story. CB's performance sold it to me, not the writing. But it is what it is. I suspect they did that so they could shock the audience. it is the writers' idea of a great twist LOL. I disagree, I think this twist is consistent with the way Gabi has been portrayed since she is with Nick, which was of a naive and insecure young woman being controlled and manipulated by an obssessive and abusive man who was a threat to her family. He wouldn't leave her alone or die, so she killed him.
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Jun 4 2014, 06:57 PM
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- Jun 4 2014, 06:23 PM
While I can understand Rafe accepting Gabi's decision to accept responsibility for her wrongdoing,I still don't understand why he did not try to talk her into having an attorney other than EJ given that he was upset that she felt her best alternative was to kill Nick rather than turn to him.An attorney looks out for the best interests of his client.I did not like Gabi say she trusts EJ after he basically talked her out of mentioning Rivergate which would provide mitigation affecting the charge/sentence in her case.I'm happy that Marlena will know that Gabi is keeping quiet about Nick,Sami and Kate's behavior at the river which could affect the charge/sentence and that Sami is allowing Gabi to do so to save her own ass.I wonder how Aiden left the message.Gabi would not likely have access to her phone since she is under arrest for murder.Rafe did not mention the offer so it is not likely the message was left on his phone.Even though Nick was her cousin,I wish that Hope would suggest that Aiden contact Gabi personally to offer his services given that she does not trust EJ. Rafe should have been written as having gone to W.Salem off screen to tell his mother in person that Gabi had been arrested for murder then having the conversation with Jordan about that experience.How far can W.Salem possibly be from Salem? You are twisting what happened LOL. Ej NEVER talked Gabi out of mentioning Rivergate. All he did was ask her if she intended to confess about Rivergate as well and she told him that she would not implicate the people who helped her. There was no persuasion or pressure from Ej. If I am mistaken about that, please show me a clip of that particular scene and I will stand corrected.
I do agree that Rafe could have insisted on getting Gabi another attorney. I know Gabi is an adult, but I was surprised how quickly he accepted her fate. He seemed so completely defeated without putting much of a fight. It is like he knows there is not much he can do to help her. it is too late. I think everyone has pretty much accepted that Gabi is done for. Ironically, the only person who is urging Gabi to put up a fight is Ej.
I hope someone can clarify this for me. I was a little confused that Rafe was implying that Sami was behind Gabi's problem. He even said that Gabi should not trust Ej because of Sami. he seemed to think that ej was involved because he was doing Sami's bidding. it seemed odd because i expect him to mistrust ej because of their history, not because of sami with whom he has a good relationship. Unless he knows about rivergate, I don't understand why he would think that sami was behind his sister's predicament. if he knows about rivergate, why is he blaming just sami and not Kate? he even said that marlena could not be trusted either because she is sami's mother. That scene did not make sense to me.
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Jun 4 2014, 06:58 PM
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This seems appropriate re: today's Midol bit. :)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/01/colbert-mocks-soap-opera-_n_790344.html
ETA: Crap, my browser sucks. Hold on... ETA 2: I give up. The video's at the link.
Edited by Ophelia, Jun 4 2014, 07:07 PM.
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Jun 4 2014, 06:59 PM
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CB was very good again today, but GG and GW left a LOT to be desired. GG because he's just not that good, and GW because there's no emotional connection. I see him perform the scenes but I'm just seeing and feeling the surface. Not feeling or seeing any depth. Oh, how I wish that CM had been there for those scenes between Wabi the best friends and parents of Arianna. i really hate that i agree with this but i do. I think GW is doing great and putting heart into his performance, but my emotional connection to him is still lacking, which is where the issue lies. It's like when this Gabi was cast a day before Arianna died. I had a very hard time not going "wth you just met her".
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Jun 4 2014, 07:05 PM
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Rafe should have been written as having gone to W.Salem off screen to tell his mother in person that Gabi had been arrested for murder then having the conversation with Jordan about that experience.How far can W.Salem possibly be from Salem? I know there's always a lot of fun snark on the board about Mama Hernandez sitting off screen in West Salem while her children go through hell in Salem. But honestly...I don't think that DOOL has ever written anything to indicate that Mama Hernandez has lived in West Salem while any of her children were on the show.
It's been my understanding that Rafe grew up in West Salem but the family moved away some time ago. When Rafe took Sami to the convent there, the nuns knew him but hadn't seen him for a long time. In the numerous family calls to Mama Hernandez since then, I think there have been discussions about her living far away and her health being too frail for airplane travel.
I can't point to any specific clips right now to back that up. That has always just been my impression.
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Jun 4 2014, 07:06 PM
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i agree but i'm still hoping for an actual resolution otherwise I'm afraid they'll just be like "Bo who" one day.
Most people seem to be at that "Bo who?" stage already, but there should still be some sort of permanent resolution. Bo just being off on some "mission" can't last forever. And I REALLY REALLY REALLY don't still want to be dealing with MIA Bo in March/April 2015!!
You know, it dawned on me that there might actually be some newer viewers who had no clue who the person on Hope's phone was?!?! Sad! :'( I just watched the scene and realized she called him "Brady". Then I thought back to your comment and realized there was probably someone out there who said, "What do you mean where's Brady, you just saw him in the square beating up his father!"
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Jun 4 2014, 07:08 PM
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Some of the dialogue in this episode made absolutely no sense to me. I get that Rafe is upset, but he repeatedly complained about Sami during his conversation with Gabi, and that would have only made sense if he had known about Sami's involvement in the river incident. He doesn't even know there was a river incident, let alone that Sami was involved, so his concerns about E.J. and Marlena being connected to Sami didn't make a bit of sense to me.
Then there was Gabi telling Will about the various things that Arianna likes, as if he isn't the child's father and hasn't been living under the same roof with her and spending just as much time with her as Gabi has. Again, I get that Gabi is just coming to terms with the fact that she's going to be separated from Arianna for the foreseeable future, but that dialogue still annoyed me -- it just seemed really inappropriate, given the circumstances. It's not like she was handing Arianna over to Rafe or some other person who wouldn't already know those things. That kind of dialogue is suitable for situations like baby swaps, illegal adoptions, or kidnappings -- like when Bo and Hope had to turn J.T. over to Glen and Barb or when Nicole had to turn Sydney over to Sami -- but not for a situation like this.
I wish that Gabi's "one last confession" would have involved admitting to Will that she had known, practically from the very beginning, that Nick was a homophobe. I don't expect that to actually come out, but frankly, the fact that Gabi slept with Nick for the first time immediately after hearing him condemn Will and Sonny's "lifestyle choices", as if it were foreplay to her, has always been one of the things about her that has irritated me the most. She's often proven to be a horrible excuse for a "friend" of Will and Sonny's, but that moment just might have taken the cake, IMO. In fact, everything that happened afterward can arguably be traced back to that pivotal moment where she chose to sleep with Nick instead of telling him to leave and letting Will and Sonny know about Nick's homophobia. That was her first big warning sign -- one that might have come before Nick's obsession had truly kicked in, since they had not yet slept together at that time, nor had he declared his love for her yet -- and she completely ignored it.
I completely agree with your post. In fact, I just posted the same thing about Rafe. I could have saved myself the trouble by reading your post LOL.
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Jun 4 2014, 07:12 PM
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CB was very good again today, but GG and GW left a LOT to be desired. GG because he's just not that good, and GW because there's no emotional connection. I see him perform the scenes but I'm just seeing and feeling the surface. Not feeling or seeing any depth. Oh, how I wish that CM had been there for those scenes between Wabi the best friends and parents of Arianna.
i really hate that i agree with this but i do. I think GW is doing great and putting heart into his performance, but my emotional connection to him is still lacking, which is where the issue lies. It's like when this Gabi was cast a day before Arianna died. I had a very hard time not going "wth you just met her". It's not that I don't have an emotional connection to him. It's that I don't feel any true depth of emotion from HIM. He's surface acting. There's no true depth to his performances. He has the technical aspect of acting down - at least in this role - but I'm not feeling any depth emanating from his performances. I'm not one of the CM's Will or bust viewers. I'm a fan of talent. If the acting is there, I'll roll with the punches. I always say I'm an Acting Fan First. And this particular instance, I'm not feeling the acting.
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- Jun 4 2014, 11:50 AM
Bev makes a mysterious call and says I can't wait to see you and tell you about the new and improved JJ.
Meanwhile, Paige and JJ arrive at Sonny's and introductions to Ben happen.
Gabi tells Will that Ari likes her feet being rubbed if she can't sleep. Will says we'll talk about you all the time. Gabi says that EJ says Ari will be able to visit and videos and emails will be allowed. Will says we'll send them every day. She cries and says she won't be able to explain to Ari because she's too young and that she's grateful Ari has Will. They hug.
Rafe is telling Mama Hernandez what happened. He tells an Aunt that he wishes he could tell his mother everything will be be okay but he can't. Rafe hangs up and calls that brutal. Jordan says you did everything you could to help Gabi. Rafe says he didn't come close. While Gabi will have visiting privileges with friends and family,EJ is obviously not familiar with prison life if he thinks Gabi will have access to e-mail and opportunity to receive and view family videos.I hope we get to see Arianna say mama to Gabi before Gabi leaves Salem.
Edited by BeeBee, Jun 4 2014, 07:36 PM.
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