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Wednesday, June 4th Daily Discussion
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nananana7
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Ophelia
Jun 4 2014, 06:58 PM

Hilarious! Thank you for posting that!

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Rosebud
Jun 4 2014, 06:19 PM
I liked that pathetic phone call Brady tried to make to Rafe. It encapsulated what a craptastic loser he is. He couldn't even come up with anything to say. Why did he even bother? Jump off a bridge Brady, at least you'd be food for some fish :P ;)
Ha!! Those poor fish would be swimming backwards. Those would be some fucked up fish!! ;)
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KAM
Jun 4 2014, 07:05 PM
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Jun 4 2014, 06:23 PM
Rafe should have been written as having gone to W.Salem off screen to tell his mother in person that Gabi had been arrested for murder then having the conversation with Jordan about that experience.How far can W.Salem possibly be from Salem?
I know there's always a lot of fun snark on the board about Mama Hernandez sitting off screen in West Salem while her children go through hell in Salem. But honestly...I don't think that DOOL has ever written anything to indicate that Mama Hernandez has lived in West Salem while any of her children were on the show.

It's been my understanding that Rafe grew up in West Salem but the family moved away some time ago. When Rafe took Sami to the convent there, the nuns knew him but hadn't seen him for a long time. In the numerous family calls to Mama Hernandez since then, I think there have been discussions about her living far away and her health being too frail for airplane travel.

I can't point to any specific clips right now to back that up. That has always just been my impression.
The first time I heard of W.Salem I seem to recall was Rafe saying he and Jordan would drive there so see her.I got the impression that she was only a short distance away so I wondered why we never saw her but I could be wrong.
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Kinay


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Jun 4 2014, 06:59 PM
badaddiction
Jun 4 2014, 06:52 PM
CB was very good again today, but GG and GW left a LOT to be desired. GG because he's just not that good, and GW because there's no emotional connection. I see him perform the scenes but I'm just seeing and feeling the surface. Not feeling or seeing any depth. Oh, how I wish that CM had been there for those scenes between Wabi the best friends and parents of Arianna.
i really hate that i agree with this but i do. I think GW is doing great and putting heart into his performance, but my emotional connection to him is still lacking, which is where the issue lies. It's like when this Gabi was cast a day before Arianna died. I had a very hard time not going "wth you just met her".
I was thinking the same thing today watching Will and Gabi. Chandler would have rocked those scenes with CM. I still don't feel it with nuWill and Ari either. Chandler had such a bond with that baby, GW looks like he's scared of her.
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Silly, I know, but my favorite scene was John leaving a message for Doc. I've been waiting months for something to happen between J&M. Could this be the beginning of them working their way back to one another? One can only hope.....
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Kinay
Jun 4 2014, 06:22 PM
Angelsmile
Jun 4 2014, 05:52 PM
Kinay
Jun 4 2014, 05:30 PM
Kaha
Jun 4 2014, 03:00 PM

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Gabi has always insisted that she would never want to keep Will from his daughter no matter what. That doesn't seem like something a selfish person would do. Gabi made a lot of mistakes but never deliberately set out to hurt anybody and she was a victim in all this. Everybody wanted Nick dead , it's just sad she's the one who has to pay by leaving behind a small child to grow up without her mother.
My problem with Gabi has been that the words were always there, but the actions were not. She always said she did not want to keep Will from Ari, but Nick would come behind her and put into play actions to keep Will from Ari and she would go along. She always went along to please and/or keep Nick which was selfish when she was claiming Will was her best friend. I do think it is tragic that once her eyes were opened she could not see a way out, and now she will be without Ari and Ari will be without her.
I think Gabi just proved she is a loyal friend by getting rid of Nick , taking the fall for it without implicating anybody else and their role in all of it, Will included. She's sacrificed her freedom and a life with her daughter so Nick would no longer control not only herself but everybody else involved. She did it for her daughter and the people she loved,not because she is selfish and only looking out for herself. She wanted to believe Nick had changed but never did she carry through with any of his manipulations to keep her and Ari from the people she loved. I firmly believe it was never her intention and that she was playing along with Nick out of fear.
Gabi's getting rid of Nick did not prove she was a loyal friend. It only proved that she had wised up to who he really was, and chose killing him as a solution to the problem he posed. In her own words, "He would not let me go.... He wanted to take me and Ari from the people who loved us". If you want to give her credit for being loyal she showed that by confessing so that Will would not go to jail for murder. Everyone benefits, but even she did not try to say everyone else was the reason. Her loyalty is also proved by the fact that she is keeping quiet about the incident at the river. To be sure Will's role in it would maybe get him probation, and the DA would have to be on the warpath for even that. Returning to my comment her actions prior have been selfish in my opinion. If you do not believe so then we will have to agree to disagree. As for her never carrying through with any of Nick's manipulations, to be accurate Nick's plans always fell through before they came to fruition prior to this last time. It can be argued that the fact that she killed him rather than allow him to win this time means she would have done the same before, but it can also be argued that had she not heard Nick and Sonny's conversation she would have continued to go along as she had planned to (see her talking to Ari after the scene with Nick and his calling the lawyer). My belief is that she may have been playing along out of fear in the beginning, but she definitely bought into it as evidenced by her actions, and she only found it unbearable after she overheard the conversation according to her own words.

I personally believe she did not always act like a true friend in the past and she was often guided by self preservation as opposed to doing the right thing. Her actions now prove that she has changed. To be clear, the actions I am referring to is the fact that she decided to go against Nick rather than let him have his way to save herself. Since Hope said she had evidence pointing to Gabi and indicated she no longer felt Will was possibly guilty, if Gabi had decided to fight and tell whatever was needed to get off that would be no problem for me. Though I feel telling about the incident at the river would do her more harm than good in any case.
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BeeBee
Jun 4 2014, 07:31 PM
KAM
Jun 4 2014, 07:05 PM
BeeBee
Jun 4 2014, 06:23 PM
Rafe should have been written as having gone to W.Salem off screen to tell his mother in person that Gabi had been arrested for murder then having the conversation with Jordan about that experience.How far can W.Salem possibly be from Salem?
I know there's always a lot of fun snark on the board about Mama Hernandez sitting off screen in West Salem while her children go through hell in Salem. But honestly...I don't think that DOOL has ever written anything to indicate that Mama Hernandez has lived in West Salem while any of her children were on the show.

It's been my understanding that Rafe grew up in West Salem but the family moved away some time ago. When Rafe took Sami to the convent there, the nuns knew him but hadn't seen him for a long time. In the numerous family calls to Mama Hernandez since then, I think there have been discussions about her living far away and her health being too frail for airplane travel.

I can't point to any specific clips right now to back that up. That has always just been my impression.
The first time I heard of W.Salem I seem to recall was Rafe saying he and Jordan would drive there so see her.I got the impression that she was only a short distance away so I wondered why we never saw her but I could be wrong.
I do vaguely recall that conversation between Rafe and Jordan. My recollection is that Jordan was surprised that Rafe grew up so close to Salem and that they would drive over there sometime to see where he used to live...not to see his mother there.

I'm trying to recall now whether the mysterious car accident that involved Rafe's sister Ariannna and that killed his fiancée was supposed to have occurred in West Salem. If so, that could be the reason the family moved away.

But again...I'm not totally sure. I know lots of other posters do say that Rafe's mother still lives in West Salem. I just have never thought so.
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marie1969


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Jun 4 2014, 04:39 PM
Did anyone else think it was sweet of Aiden to contact Gabi & offer to represent her? He was her family court lawyer & they had only met once, plus the custody suit was basically dropped, so it's not like he had some sort of obligation to her.
Did he say it was pro bono? If not. it is pretty self-serving. Aren't lawyers always offering their service to new clients for big hefty retainer fee? It is just business.
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I'm trying to figure out what's Brady's problem. Why is he drinking and taking drugs because he gets mad about seeing John.
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

MissFancyFace
Jun 4 2014, 03:11 PM
LuvingLumi
Jun 4 2014, 12:07 PM
Honeybees
Jun 4 2014, 11:40 AM
Aiden asks if Hope feels like talking. She tries but can barely get words out and starts to cry. He holds her.
I know Supergirl is going to gif this but I just wanted to confirm that I want it...lol
Aw dammit! LOL
I don't discriminate on who gifs, the more Haiden gifs the better
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I'm glad that Rafe feels some guilt about his sister. He knew something was going on but didn't do anything. Jordan was right about some of the things she said. But Rafe is usually quick to but in when told not to just left his sister alone.
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Mitchapalooza
Jun 4 2014, 04:23 PM
Yoryla
Jun 4 2014, 03:03 PM
Matt
Jun 4 2014, 12:58 PM
so our big cliffhanger before the long weekend is Abby & Gabi face to face? mmkay
Well considering her part in the Daysaster, I think that's a pretty big one... I mean it coming out has been two years in the making.
I know she is not directly responsible, but indirectly she is the reason Jack is dead.

Take away her actions and two people would be alive: Jack and Madison.
Can you explain your reasoning behind that? For whatever reason, I'm just not remembering how Gabi was indirectly responsible for the Daysaster. The show was kinda dreadful at that time, so I was only watching with one eye and one ear open :P

I remember Gabi and Andrew kidnapping Melanie and locking her in the tunnels, but weren't the explosions just a random thing that happened down there? So Gabi doesn't have any blame when it comes to Jack and Madison's deaths, or does she?
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marie1969
Jun 4 2014, 07:55 PM
Supergirlx2
Jun 4 2014, 04:39 PM
Did anyone else think it was sweet of Aiden to contact Gabi & offer to represent her? He was her family court lawyer & they had only met once, plus the custody suit was basically dropped, so it's not like he had some sort of obligation to her.
Did he say it was pro bono? If not. it is pretty self-serving. Aren't lawyers always offering their service to new clients for big hefty retainer fee? It is just business.
I don't think he said he'd do it pro bono, but the way Aiden was talking to Hope, it sounded like he wanted to offer his services to Gabi because she seemed like a good kid who'd ended up in a bad spot. And it's not like the custody stuff was 6 months ago. I believe the Salem day we're currently on is about 2 days after Nick's murder, which means that the custody stuff would've been discussed about a week or so ago.
Is it really impossible to believe that a lawyer just wants to be nice and isn't looking for a new client because they want money? Everything we know about Aiden says he's not fixated on material things and an overflowing pot of cash.
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KAM
Jun 4 2014, 07:50 PM
BeeBee
Jun 4 2014, 07:31 PM
KAM
Jun 4 2014, 07:05 PM
BeeBee
Jun 4 2014, 06:23 PM
Rafe should have been written as having gone to W.Salem off screen to tell his mother in person that Gabi had been arrested for murder then having the conversation with Jordan about that experience.How far can W.Salem possibly be from Salem?
I know there's always a lot of fun snark on the board about Mama Hernandez sitting off screen in West Salem while her children go through hell in Salem. But honestly...I don't think that DOOL has ever written anything to indicate that Mama Hernandez has lived in West Salem while any of her children were on the show.

It's been my understanding that Rafe grew up in West Salem but the family moved away some time ago. When Rafe took Sami to the convent there, the nuns knew him but hadn't seen him for a long time. In the numerous family calls to Mama Hernandez since then, I think there have been discussions about her living far away and her health being too frail for airplane travel.

I can't point to any specific clips right now to back that up. That has always just been my impression.
The first time I heard of W.Salem I seem to recall was Rafe saying he and Jordan would drive there so see her.I got the impression that she was only a short distance away so I wondered why we never saw her but I could be wrong.
I do vaguely recall that conversation between Rafe and Jordan. My recollection is that Jordan was surprised that Rafe grew up so close to Salem and that they would drive over there sometime to see where he used to live...not to see his mother there.

I'm trying to recall now whether the mysterious car accident that involved Rafe's sister Ariannna and that killed his fiancée was supposed to have occurred in West Salem. If so, that could be the reason the family moved away.

But again...I'm not totally sure. I know lots of other posters do say that Rafe's mother still lives in West Salem. I just have never thought so.
My understanding was that their mother went to live with a distant Aunt when her health began to fail. This was brought up when a young Gabi came to Salem to be in the care of her older brother and sister. Rafe traveled to see his mother for Arianna's funeral. That was held out of town so his mother can't still reside in West Salem. The person he spoke to on the phone after talking to his mom might have been the Aunt. I'm sure the reason Rafe called his mom instead of seeing her was because he wants to be right on hand with Gabi at this important time.

Rafe talked about showing Jordan his old stomping ground in West Salem. He never said his family still lived there. The time he mentioned taking Jordan to meet his mom with Gabi and the baby sounded as if it would be a trip.

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LuvingLumi
Jun 4 2014, 08:05 PM
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Jun 4 2014, 03:11 PM
LuvingLumi
Jun 4 2014, 12:07 PM
Honeybees
Jun 4 2014, 11:40 AM
Aiden asks if Hope feels like talking. She tries but can barely get words out and starts to cry. He holds her.
I know Supergirl is going to gif this but I just wanted to confirm that I want it...lol
Aw dammit! LOL
I don't discriminate on who gifs, the more Haiden gifs the better
I'm gonna get working on the full set after SYTYCD is done. It's not exactly a show that one can multitask during. lol.
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nananana7
Jun 4 2014, 07:26 PM
Ophelia
Jun 4 2014, 06:58 PM

Hilarious! Thank you for posting that!

It's one of my favorite things ever. Every time they do something with product placement, I watch it again and think about our poor brave Cheerios. :)
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There was some funky dialogue on the show today. I was really surprised Carolyn wrote this one. It didn't feel like her caliber of work at all to me. Rafe searched out Marlena to help counsel Gabi and yet today he has a freak out that Gabi was speaking to Marlena because she's Sami's mom?! What? He also thinks Ej is going to be influenced by Sami in Gabi's case? Granted he knows Sami was somehow involved in some shenanigans that went down that no one will share with him and yes Sami does leave a trail of destruction in her wake, but this seemed odd and out of place for the scene.

I also felt so sorry for Chrishell and the doozies they gave her to pull off. "Gabi has an awful time ahead of her but she's not going to die like her sister did..." Oh man! Way to lay it out there. :blink: and then she says to Rafe, "I don't think there is a gentle way to tell a mother that her only surviving daughter is going to prison." Ouch! Are the trying to make Jordan sound compassionate? Try again! I also have to laugh at Rafe mentioning, "I need to call my mother and my brother we never see" That came off sounding so weird. Did anyone look at these lines?

CB held her own for another day. It was a bit perplexing to hear her tell Will that baby Ari likes to 'blow out the lights' and have her feet rubbed. They do live together and share parenting. I get they were trying to have her hit on the moments she'll be missing and yes it pulls the heartstrings, but can you write it in a way that doesn't pull viewers out of the scene to scratch our heads?

The picture of Bo and Hope's despair were handled so well. Here comes Aiden and it was just done with the right touch of everything. They need to wrap up Bo's disappearance and take that out of the equation so fans can accept Hope moving on. This is a terrific match. The actors compliment each other perfectly.

Midol! :P :blulaugh: It just seems so wrong to reduce the actors to be commercial spokespeople in the middle of their dramatic story. I get it brings in cash and I do want the soap to have longevity, just please keep this to a bear minimum.

A crumb! Could they actually be moving the sibling mystery along? If hot head Ben doesn't want to be like HIM and Jordan has to reassure him he wouldn't ever I'm thinking bloodlines here. Miami and not the Ozarks.....I assume Ben has moved around a lot, but was his name Ben Rodgers in Miami?

Brady mentions he used to be friends with Rafe! Shocker! I thought Days had discarded that history permanently. Glad to see it remembered here even if Brady could hardly make a coherent sentence.

I feel for Rafe. He feels as though he's let yet another sister down. That's tough for a man of his nature. I think it will be interesting to see if this changes him at all moving forward.

Another day of tears. This week was stellar!!! God I hope the writers have more of this in them.






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I don't even recognize Gabi in these past few episodes. She is actually being honest for once in her life and I've never seen her cry. I can actually relate to her now.
Edited by DaysAddiction, Jun 4 2014, 09:00 PM.
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marie1969
Jun 4 2014, 06:57 PM
BeeBee
Jun 4 2014, 06:23 PM
While I can understand Rafe accepting Gabi's decision to accept responsibility for her wrongdoing,I still don't understand why he did not try to talk her into having an attorney other than EJ given that he was upset that she felt her best alternative was to kill Nick rather than turn to him.An attorney looks out for the best interests of his client.I did not like Gabi say she trusts EJ after he basically talked her out of mentioning Rivergate which would provide mitigation affecting the charge/sentence in her case.I'm happy that Marlena will know that Gabi is keeping quiet about Nick,Sami and Kate's behavior at the river which could affect the charge/sentence and that Sami is allowing Gabi to do so to save her own ass.I wonder how Aiden left the message.Gabi would not likely have access to her phone since she is under arrest for murder.Rafe did not mention the offer so it is not likely the message was left on his phone.Even though Nick was her cousin,I wish that Hope would suggest that Aiden contact Gabi personally to offer his services given that she does not trust EJ.
Rafe should have been written as having gone to W.Salem off screen to tell his mother in person that Gabi had been arrested for murder
then having the conversation with Jordan about that experience.How far can W.Salem possibly be from Salem?
You are twisting what happened LOL. Ej NEVER talked Gabi out of mentioning Rivergate. All he did was ask her if she intended to confess about Rivergate as well and she told him that she would not implicate the people who helped her. There was no persuasion or pressure from Ej. If I am mistaken about that, please show me a clip of that particular scene and I will stand corrected.

I do agree that Rafe could have insisted on getting Gabi another attorney. I know Gabi is an adult, but I was surprised how quickly he accepted her fate. He seemed so completely defeated without putting much of a fight. It is like he knows there is not much he can do to help her. it is too late. I think everyone has pretty much accepted that Gabi is done for. Ironically, the only person who is urging Gabi to put up a fight is Ej.

I hope someone can clarify this for me. I was a little confused that Rafe was implying that Sami was behind Gabi's problem. He even said that Gabi should not trust Ej because of Sami. he seemed to think that ej was involved because he was doing Sami's bidding. it seemed odd because i expect him to mistrust ej because of their history, not because of sami with whom he has a good relationship. Unless he knows about rivergate, I don't understand why he would think that sami was behind his sister's predicament. if he knows about rivergate, why is he blaming just sami and not Kate? he even said that marlena could not be trusted either because she is sami's mother. That scene did not make sense to me.
I posted that he basically talked her out of mentioning Rivergate.I could have been more precise and posted that he did not encourage her to provide mitigating information to the police.During the Monday episode EJ said they could fight the charge on the basis of Gabi being afraid of what Nick would do to her ,she pointed out if she did so,she would risking sending him,Will,Sonny,and Sami to jail.Once she said that EJ let it go.In fact when the DA asked Gabi how Nick would be able to send her to prison,EJ interupted saying he was advising his client to stop but once Gabi started talking about Andrew,he sat back and shut up.With Nick's past prison record and history with Melanie,any unbiased ethical attorney who knew of Rivergate would have told Gabi that revealing that Nick manipulation of the NY modeling contract,physical attack on her when she told him she was turning down that offer,and subsequent blackmail would make it less likely that she would be charged with first degree murder,
could result in a manslaughter charge,and considerably lessen the time she would likely spend in prison away from her daughter.EJ did not of this.If Aiden had been her attorney,he would likely actively encouraged Gabi to present the best defense to the charge so that she would not be away from her daughter any longer than necessary.

Supergirl while I was watching the 6-2-14 episode on the NBC website,Sami's shoes were clearly shown at the 8:19 mark.They are a wonder to behold,truly grotesque.If you have the time,can you please go to the site and screen cap Sami 's shoes.Its when she enters the room at the police station to talk to Will,Sonny,and Lucas.
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Kinay
Jun 4 2014, 07:34 PM
blueskies
Jun 4 2014, 06:59 PM
badaddiction
Jun 4 2014, 06:52 PM
CB was very good again today, but GG and GW left a LOT to be desired. GG because he's just not that good, and GW because there's no emotional connection. I see him perform the scenes but I'm just seeing and feeling the surface. Not feeling or seeing any depth. Oh, how I wish that CM had been there for those scenes between Wabi the best friends and parents of Arianna.
i really hate that i agree with this but i do. I think GW is doing great and putting heart into his performance, but my emotional connection to him is still lacking, which is where the issue lies. It's like when this Gabi was cast a day before Arianna died. I had a very hard time not going "wth you just met her".
I was thinking the same thing today watching Will and Gabi. Chandler would have rocked those scenes with CM. I still don't feel it with nuWill and Ari either. Chandler had such a bond with that baby, GW looks like he's scared of her.
I agree that CM seemed to have more friend chemistry with CB than GW but he was okay to me.I still would rather have GW than CM smirking his way through the wedding,murder,and confession.
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